BASE MODEL VS TOP MODEL EMTB ? I Specialized Levo Comp Upgrades
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Riders in this Episode we look what is better buy base model Specialized Turbo Levo and upgrade or buy top spec?
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Lyrik Upgrade 2.1 charger
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170 Air Spring for Lyrik
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Rear Shock DB Coil IL Cane Creek
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Dropper V2 OneUp
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Renthal Fat bar
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Industry Nine 30mm Stem 31.8
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WOW! 2021 specs released for the Levo Comp (alu, $6250 USD). Big changes: they moved to a Fox Rhythm 36 (and bumped to 160mm), dropped the SRAM and went Shimano SLX for brakes AND drivetrain (1x12). That addresses a couple of the build necessities we discussed right there! Cha-ching. Shock is questionable - I'm still going to go with the CC coil and with the wheelset - but this is getting better already! No idea on the Praxis forged M30 crankset - would probably switch that out with the bars/stem... I'll keep you posted, Sam.
Yep maybe they watched the video haha 😂 defo keep my posted can’t wait to see it and defo the new Levo doesn’t need much changing and to be honest with the cranks only change them if they break
@@SamsBikes the Specialized "innovation" team is following you Sam! You should get paid by them!
That would be nice 👍 let’s see things are starting to move and companies are starting to talk to me !
Finally picked one up yesterday but off on the price a bit, well in Ca is 7599... not cheap but one hell of a bike. Was thinking of Turing into a mullet after I ride the hell out of the 29er. I am used to a 27.5 bronson, so the 29 feels a bit odd to me but I think it will do well on the trail. Cheers.
CC coil will snap on that frame
Got my 2021 Turbo Levo Comp. Love it
Good video man, you just help to me decide which path I'm going to take. Glad I bought the Levo Comp Alloy and just I will upgrade it slowly.
Mate I think for the right type of rider the base models are the way to go! And who doesn’t love a project
Great video Sam, I have a Levo SL. I just upgraded my suspensions. Went with a DVO onyx and jade coil for the back. Also did a rock shock dropper post with it. This bike is a beast now. LOL. Breaks in the near future. Thx
Hey Sam it's Matt! Thrilled to see this - thanks again for taking the time.Just had some shoulder arthro last week so I now have a little time to pull this together. Like the ideas - especially the coil - was not expecting! Here we go....
Hey Matt my pleasure I had so much fun spending your money hahah.. I think you should do it would be a epic bike for the money.. let me know if you need any more advice. Sam
I'm in the process right now of doing a similar thing with my own bike. Bought a comp and have been upgrading pieces as I feel the need. I definitely feel like it's getting me a much better bike overall especially since I don't care much about the carbon frame anyways
@@ootz0rz yep theyre overated
Great job Sam. Enjoy your presentation style. I’m not on an ebike yet, after buying a Canyon Lux 6.0. Plans afoot for Ebike in 2022 when I’m 55 👍
thanks Andy sounds like a great birthday present...
Good tip on the Cane Creek. Love your stoke & vids 🤙🏼
Thanks mate.. yep I'm super keen on that shock too...
Totally agree about the carbon. Had some big spills on my aluminum levo and its takes a lickin!
hahahaha they do thanks for watching
Awesome. Got inspired. I just ordered a Levo Comp 2021. I will do some upgrades along the way. The 2021 got the SLX brakes. But crank arms and the handle bar I will have a look at.
Right on!
Love this build!! Gotta admit that I love my Turbo Levo Comp Alloy stock plus pedals...
Thanks mate
Great vid Sam. I think he should do it. I've got a 2019 Levo Comp and now you've got me thinking... Did the Eddy Currents ages ago because the Butchers were rubbish in the couple of months I ran them. I'm sat here thinking about that cil shock right now... 👍
haha Mark Im thinking the same thing I think I need a coil in my life haha
Thanks for the maths. This is really interesting. Personally, I love the feeling of a carbon frame and I will never go back to alu. But this is personal, like your handlebar preference
Yep I get you mate... its a personal thing I love Carbon Bars and Canks but thats it.. I don't feel the difference in the frame
Nice vid man! I’m about finished upgrading my levo comp; I went with Dt Swiss h552 + hope pro4 hubs; Sram code rsc; ohlins ttx22m + sprindex coil; eddy currents for sure, now waiting for fox factory 36 and hope cranks
Wow that sounds epic!
Great Vid Sam! I have the 2020 Levo Comp, same colour as the bike shown. Few suggestions...get a white or Black bike, the camo frame chips badly and it’s near impossible to find touch up paint. Specialised Black Diamond Eliminators are very good and Ohlin fork and shock is amazing. Few other things to consider, crank boots, invis and hope hubs.
Hey Mate thanks for the tips.. defo good advice on the colour but it looks so rad..
Hi! My levo sl spec is comp carbon, fox 36 -160 mm, Shimano Saint 4 pot brakes with SM RT-86L rotors and X01 AXS transmittion with Praxis carbon cranks(boots).
Thanks for reviews Sam!
Awesome build. Good call on the brakes, fork, and shock. Those would be the 1st things I would have upgraded as well.
Thanks Rider I just call it how I see it. I'm sure this Levo would rock.
Please; let's get outside! We tune in to a e-bike channel and we get a bloke behind a desk. Want to support the Aussie but since when are we considered desk jockeys? Get out there!!! I promise you, if you move outside to the sunshine and green, your channel will receive at least one extra like. On yer bike!
Yep on your bike son.. hahah Yea I know next week been very hard with Covid for us to leave our Area
Can't really comment on your selections, but I think your order of importance is spot on. Any Shimano brake system is superior to any SRAM system, and I would probably gone for the XT's, but SLX is close. I'm surprised about the tires being bad. Thought the Butchers Grid were decent, so I wouldn't spring for the extra until I shredded the Butchers. Another excellent Vblog.
Thanks for the kind words John, I just say it how I see it... I have only ridden Butchers once and as I said they were good.. but having sone 750km on the Eddy Current with zero problems this means a lot when your riding alot
Owner of the 2020 Turbo Levo Comp, same color as the thumbnail in the video. 1st Upgrade was front brake to Magura MT7 Pro with 220mm Magura MDR-P disc. It feels like Brembos on a Ducati, awesome stopping power, and very little lever travel after the brakes have started to bite. 1 finger stoppies without shifting weight. I kept the rear brake because I like the modulation of the SRAM Guide RE in the rear, as the rear is much easier to lock up.
However, during the testing and break in phase of the front brake, I realized the stopping power was too much for the Lyric, the fork would vibrate fore and aft. I have a Fox 38 Factory 160 mm travel in mind for upgrading the fork next year. Also upgrading the fork because it starts to get stiff when I ride parks/resorts with a lift into run 3-4. Float X or X2
Amazing info, thanks mate
thanks mate glad I could help..
Fantastic vid Sam, please do the Kenevo, ive seen some mega builds with fox 49 up front with a 29er thrown in
I’ll try Chris! Thanks for the kind words
James Goodsell has a 2021 Specialized Levo comp and has a CZcams channel.
Only had it a few weeks and had water inside the charging port. After a wet ride . Also the the bike was cycling on and off without touching the button.
Thanks for the help on my choice. I just bought the Levo base. With ya know basic 35 Fox coil shox. Base breaks. BUT I purchased at 6000$K out the door. And I will spend the time learning the bike and will upgrade myself.
So it was listed for 5500, compared to the other pro they just built that was a beautiful copper/orange red and it was more than double the price of the base at 13,000$. It was a no brainer!
Thanks mate enjoy your beast
Have a 2020 Levo Expert. After 300 miles and many headaches over the Sram Code R brakes, went with Shimano XT brakes. This is a must upgrade to any bike with Srams. Your suggestion to go with SLX might be another great option. Looking to get the OneUp dropper but did go with the OneUp stem and bars. I think your recommendations are spot on. I love riding my ebike and I feel that I would probably feel the same if I had spent much less. I am not a very aggressive rider. Keep up the awesome videos.
I did the same with my S-works Levo, took those SRAM brakes off before I even road it , love the XT brakes.
Thanks for watching and the kind words, the new SLX are very very similar to the XT and the Sanits just dont looks as pretty its the smart money I think...
Nice. I also have the 2020 Expert Carbon, Code R were fiddly but got a much better result with new pads and a few hours of bleeding and tinkering.
love my XT's - had a stumpie with the Codes on before my Reign with the XT and it's night and day.
Great video, had the same dilemma, comp vs expert. Ended up buying the new Norco Sight VLT 29 C2, full shimano, swapping out the Lyrik for some Zeb, then good to go. Should try review one mate 🤟🏼
Rider I have always loved Norco Bikes, its defo on my list to test not that easy to get my hands on in Europe but.
You are awesome Sam. Almost makes me want that Levo. Except I'm holding out for the 2021 Commencal SX.
Smart man... I should be testing one as soon as they are in Europe so ill let you know...
@@SamsBikes I watch all your videos Sam. You have a great perspective on ebikes and your enthusiasm is infectious.
Hey Sam so I got my decoy 29 pro. I took it for the rides 2 days and I must say WOW. What the fuck, I have never thought this possible on the bike, so fun to ride it down and up as well !! Thank you for helping me making the decision.
hahahahaha I love when I hear that... so glad your happy its a new world out there.. If you have Instagram a little plug to say thanks would be rad..
I'm buying a 2021 levo sl expert. Fox dpx2, 36 grip 2 , xo1 drivetrain, and I know you like shimano brakes, but I love and it comes with codes. Only thing for me to change is bars, grips, and saddle which I have. I've even got my one up composite pedals.
Right on enjoy it champ!
Hi guys, I have the expert 2020 and I can confirm, beakes are to change immediately, dropper sucks. I’m ok with the wheels, the bar, it goes on taste but I would buy the s-works sh carbon one. Cranks are ok to me.
Excellent video!👍
thanks Rider....
The SRAM Guide R brakes on my Levo Expert worked great right after I sanded the rotors and pads, but within 2-3 weeks I'd have to do it again. I guess they were glazing. I switched to Magura MT7 and haven't had to touch them. The bite point doesn't change, they don't glaze, and they don't howl when they get hot like the SRAMs did.
Yep Sram make good stuff but their brakes suck.. Shimano or Magura 100%
I did the exact same upgrade on mine. What a difference! Those sram brakes sucked
Howsit, I did something similar with the base level Merida eone sixty. Installed forks, coil shock, slx brakes, Oneup carbon bars all brought 2nd hand through auction sites and sold off originals to fund them. I did get a wheelset custom made with hope pro4 hubs on Stans ex5 flow rims. Overall for less than the next model up I have a better speced bike.
yep its a great idea if you know what you're doing... I normally go the base and build my out... I love the process and it normally works out cheaper or the same but with a way better bike
Great topic Sam.... I'm about to buy the 2022 Levo and am limited to the Alloy frame due to my weight, so will be going on an upgrade journey as cash allows. Would be amazing o see an new video featuring the 2022 and the kit that's available now. By the way, thanks for the advice on SL vs Turbo.... I'm going Turbo now. Keep up the great work mate.
TIMO mate thanks for the comment and watch this space next week new video coming about a shout out...
@@SamsBikes looking forward to the next vid mate., it’s great to see someone who knows what he’s talking about and so obviously enjoys what he’s doing and it’s so useful to guys like me who don’t have cycling mates to get advice from. Kit changes so quickly now, you turn your back and 8 speed turns to 12, and 26 jumps to 29 and back down again to 27,5. Keep shiny side up mate!
Great video Sam, but consider adding trailwatts auxillary battery, 36t chainring and levociraptor and the bike is unstoppable!
thanks for the tips... maybe on the next build
I fitted a OneUp v2 210 @ 190mm 30.9 with shim (a bit tight at the linkage bolts) also used Formula Nero dual crown fork @ 170mm and a Marzocchi 210x55 shock all with no problem
dual crown forks? sweet did you ask the Big S if the frame is rated for this.
Is 190 on the dropper the most you can get?
Great Video Sam 🍻 Hit the nail on the head 🔨 Specialized = banging frame and motor / battery / warranty - spec's are poor for the price of these bikes. Thank you for the massive plug 😘 🤣
Haha thanks princess 👸 you nailed with the shock I want one now. Now go rent then Santa so we have something to talk about!
Aluminum frame elements require expensive tooling too, like casting cavities, or tube hydro-forming cavities. Those tools are close in cost with carbon fiber molding tools.
Thanks for the info!
I’d love to see an updated video doing the same comparison with the 2022 Levo’s. With the fox 38, X2, Mastermind, wheels, and brakes that come on the Expert, it would be interesting to see if you’d come to the same conclusion.
Good idea I’ll work on one!
I’m looking forward to seeing what components you would choose to get to the same ride quality of the Expert, and if it is cost effective to do so. I looked at upgrading a comp with many of the same components as specked on the expert, and came to the conclusion I would just be better off buying an expert, but I don’t have enough knowledge to know where I could cut corners without sacrificing the ride.
So I just finally switched over my SRAM Code brakes and drivetrain to Shimano XTR on a 2019 Turbo Levo. This is an absolutely huge difference in braking ability compared to SRAM Code and now you can shed speed faster and later into corners and with 1 finger with zero arm and hand fatigue. I am a big guy that goes fast on a heavy bike and after having both I can tell you for sure that all that modulation that people talk about is absolute rubbish. The Shimano difference is so wide and confidence inspiring I cannot believe people even compare the two in the same sentence. I also think that they have enough modulation for anyone. On SRAM I was looking to upgrade the discs from 200 to 220 but then just decided to switch Shimano XTR 9120 with 203 Ice tech and the power difference is significantly better. Then switched the shifter, derailleur and rear cassette to twelve speed, everything but the crank, to Shimano and I can tell you that Shimano blows away SRAM in all ways. Want to save a few bucks get XT. The bike is a whole new bike and way better IMO in all ways. After this back to back test of components on the same bike Shimano wins by a huge margin! No, I don’t work for Shimano.
I also thought the shock upgrade to DVO Onyx in front and Topaz in rear are significant changes. I love this bike now and at the beginning I could never get it to feel right.
hahaha Thomas great work yep Sram and Shimano cant even compare but not sold on the 12 speed shimano I think Sram has that for now!
Get best frame and suspension for your money. Then consider brakes. Most e-bikes come with 4-piston brakes anyway. Drivetrain is consumable, you have to change it in the future.
Another great video Sam, thanks for all the emtb info. However, the comp is not the base model and I for one couldn’t stretch to it, so how about doing the same with the levo (base model) to the comp or Trek rail 5 to a 7. And please test more affordable ebikes please Sam, these things are so expensive still.
not a bad idea ill look into that...
I love the upgrades you did, and that would make the bike ride a lot better, but the one thing I found when demoing a carbon vs non carbon frame ebike was that the lighter bike was more playful and fun, in that i could throw it around more, and move it around easier. So for me I got the Merida e160 9000 model (second highest, I did not want the carbon rims, and did not have any need for XTR groupset, 9000 model had top of the line ebike specifi DT Swiss rims, and really good fox suspension, it did have the DPX2 rear shock not the X2, but I don't think I needed the X2 personally, I'm not overly heavy, and while I like to do jumps and drops, i think the DPX2 will be more than capable and far less trouble to dial in.
I had considered the LTD model, as I've never owned or needed a carbon frame bike before, and I had not actually intended to get one now, until after the demo rides... I also rode the e140 8000 model, which has the same sort of spec suspension as the LTD, but with a little less travel, and it was carbon, and I preferred the lighter carbon bike. I have no regrets with the bike I chose now though.
I also run cushcore, some decent mudguards and a frame protector kit on the bike. I opted to buy a second battery seperately also (where the 10k model came with one). So for me the second top model, and some personalising did meet my needs, where as fully customising a lower model alloy one didn't work out for me, but it is possibly I could have made it similar weight and lots of fun with the right suspension components and upgrades like you did here, I think my ability to get that customising as perfect as you did, would not have been as good.
Thanks for watching and the massive comment.. My mates ride E160 in Oz it the best priced ebike in OZ and I love that bike.. great choice.,
@@SamsBikesI think i watched your videos that had the e160 in it while I was deciding to get it. Cheers.
I think Carb frames are ok for light weight riders. For a larger framed fattie like me... Alu all the way. I just feel safer and more confident on alu
Awesome video, Sam! I wanted to ask about your fork upgrades - have you had any problems with increasing the travel so far? Also, would there be any issues in only upgrading the air spring and not the damper? Thanks!
Rider thanks for watching and your question. I have upgraded my Decoy from 160 to 180 and I don't find any problems at all. Also a few of my Levo mates have gone to 170 all its going to do is Slacken the head angle a little and give you more travel to go DH.. You don't need to upgrade the charger at all when changing the airspring. Try and get the new 2021 Debon air its better. I hope that helps.
you need to look in to the Miranda 155mm cranks, a bit shorter than the 165 stock so less rock strikes and you will not feel the difference
thanks mate I'll check them out..
Just discovered your channel and I really enjoyed this piece. I've been riding a Turbo Levo Comp since 2016 and I've been upgrading along the lines that you describe here during the past 3+ years. I'm currently running with Magura MT5 brakes, Easton Haven carbon risers and my favourite upgrade - a pair of Hope F20 pedals (colour coded to match the frame!). I'm now looking to replace my Levo with one of the new Levo SLs, but supply here in the UK is currently very thin.
Hey David thanks for the kind words, it was a fun video to make. I hear very good things on the new SL still need to try it.
Hi Sam...awesome reviews...really appreciate all the info. I recently purchased the Levo Expert Carbon. So amazing. Was thinking of having a little more travel though. What is the easiest process to get up to 170 front and rear, without having to do to much with the rest of the bike? Thanks bro.
Jeff
hey Jeff thanks for the kind words, the Levo is a rad bike, I know you can change the rear shock and get 155mm but that would be it on the rear go a X2 check Marshal Mullens videos on it! Also you can change the airspring on the forks pretty easy, it’s available in 160 or 170 or 180 just order it and do a service on the forks and change the airspring. I wouldn’t go much over 170 it will change the geometry to much.
Modify the Comp...it will be more satisfying.p as long as you are getting the same battery size.
So I bought a 2019 turbo Levo expert on sale after the 2020s were released for $6499 and changed the Pike out to a DVO Onyx SC 160mm Changed the rear shock out to a DVO Topaz 210x55 to get a little more travel out of the rear and I paid for custom tune on both. The DVO stuff is flat out awesome and the OTT setting for chatter is amazing. Changed the Butchers which IMO are horrible out to Maxxis Assegai and rear a Maxxis Aggressor double down. Changed the crank out to a Miranda Kappa 155mm which drastically decreased pedal strikes. Next I want to change to brakes out Shimano Saints or and the wheels out to something with wider internal spacing like 35mm or 40mm. Oh...almost forgot I added Cush Core inserts and added stability and have had zero flats of any kind since doing that. And changed the stem to an SQ1 because I have a super long torso and the cockpit is squished to me.
There is something definitely satisfying about customization. I’m in about an additional $2200 not selling my old stuff yet and I got a lot of stuff on super sales but the bike is sweet except for the SRAM groupo which I feel Shimano stuff blows away.
I am a big dude and interestingly enough the Roval wheels have held up dang good I just think the rear is too narrow and I am getting tire rollover.
I cannot wait for the day when you can order your frame-set and chooses the components and wheels you want so you are not being stuck with parts you don’t want or cannot handle your size.
This review is really good. I think I going to go buy a rear Eddy Current because I don’t think I can switch the the front Maxxis Assegai out because it has insane cornering traction and is the best front tire I have ever had on any bike.
Thomas thanks for watching champ and the kind words, Yep I can't wait for Frame only but I don't think the big S will ever do it they just make too much money on the complete bikes... love your upgrades and defo try a Eddy I love mine
Great job Sam. I have a Turbo Levo 2020 and I followed the same path. These are my current upgrades:
- Brakes: Hope E4 and Hope rotors.
- Fork: Ohlins RXF 36 EVO (160mm)
- Shock: Fox DPX2
Next: Carbon Fatbar 30mm or 20mm rise ? What would you chose ?
Thanks Bro Nice upgrades, I always get 30m rise fat bar love them.. links in video notes if you want to help the channel haha
Are you happy with that set up? Is it a big difference?
Yep. Dump brakes.
Butchers are fine.
Wait for wheel problems.
Suspension, your #4 is my #1
Rear suspension, progressive good idea.
Shorter cranks.
Aren't the newer stock droppers better?
YOU on a S works with shit brakes and Tires and Im on a Comp with good brakes and tires.. who wins a epic day battle? I think Tires and Brakes are the most import part of any bike over suspension.
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I agree on order: Brakes, Tires, Suspension.
Don't agree on comparing Schwalbe to Specialized tires as great vs shit, because both are excellent. (I do prefer the purgatories to the butchers, except in springtime, which further makes the point tires are location and style specific enough that general recommendations lean towards malpractice.)
I ride Schwalbe on my Sworks Epic and have had them on my Levos, not convinced they're better or worse. Definitely not the super obvious Sram to Shimano brakes comparison.
I’m just thinking about getting the entry level Levo at $5,500 US. Hopefully I can upgrade as needed as time goes on???
let's not forget all the fun you will have slamming all these parts onto the bike.
you will learn your bike and know everything is on right/ or not lol
Hey 👋 champ how’s the giant going?! Yep totally agree I love building up bikes and yep another thing I didn’t say if you can treat your Ali bike like a pig and not feel bad! Carbon I always get scared I’ll scratch it
@@SamsBikes Reign is a beast - thanks for asking. Still getting used to the weight and jumping but we will get there. Just slapped on some Pro Taper carbon bars with a 33mm stem. Motor is a peach so far. Cheers
Great video Sam. I've got 2020 Levo comp and Im thinking of increasing the travel on my Lyrik fork from 150mm to 170mm. They say the max I can take it is 160mm without voiding the warranty with Specialized. Is this true?
I can't see how Specialized can say that but best check with your local shop and see what they say.
Great video Sam. I’m new to EMTB. Moved from Moto cross and single track to emtb. I have a 19 Levo comp carbon. It has the fox shocks. I find the sharp bumps a little harsh. Needs a little less high speed dampening. What would you recommend. Thanks Chris
Hey rider thanks for watching ok my best beat would be watch a few of jordies suspension tuning videos on the fox CZcams channel he’s the best. But if it was me open the forks make sure you don’t have two tokens in the fork! Take all tokens out and set sag, open compression totally and set the rebound to the middle if you hav 20 clicks set it at 10. Ride your favorite local trail if you bottom out travel put a token in and reset sag then set the rebound change two clicks in either direction test does it feel better or worse and continue through the set up! Let us know how you get on.
Sam’s Bikes thanks Sam will do!!
My dad got the comp because 700w and upgraded the suspension and saved a fortune. Expert price sucks carbon is useless on an ebike
yep I agree this is totally the way forward...
Actually carbon has two advantages. Vibration dampening and feel. The top of this in a carbon bike is super light. Does it really matter? If you get used to Aluminium no, and the $2K extra is steep but if you ride equal Turbo Levo bikes side by side with equal components you would likely prefer the feel of carbon...just saying because that is what I did. The trick is getting the price down.
@@EnergyNewsToday Carbon e-bikes and aluminum e-bikes actually weight about the same.
Great video! Would you do the same with the Levo sl? Alu and carbon comp versions have a $1000 difference.
Yes, absolutely
I’m trying to decide between the alu and carbon Levo Sl and can’t find any weight or experience information between the two. Can you help me out?
Love watching your videos Sam!
I’m thinking of upgrading the suspension on my 2019 levo. I’m thinking of getting the x2 and the zeb. The stock sizes 210x52.5 , 51mm offset and the fork is 150mm. I’m getting the x2 in a 210x55 but I’m wondering if I go to 160 or 170mm ?and will the 44mm offset be okay on the bike?Specialized have said it won’t void my warranty if I extend the travel.
Has anyone tried either of these products in these sizes on their bikes?
Any feed back would be appreciated!
Hey mate thanks 🙏 for the kinda words I try! Hey my mate Adventures with Warby rides a 19 levo and the is rocking 170 I’m pretty sure and a mullet! I personally would go to 170 and the the x2 it’s a great shock you know I love it! Maybe reach out to Warby and get his opinion on the 170 and offset! Good luck with it and let me know how you go
i am riding a 20 levo with a 170 up front and a 210x55 in the rear and it has been a game changer for this bike. feels much more like an enduro than trail bike. that little change in hear tube angle and getting that front wheel out a little further has made me way more confident on the bike.
Ok, I am not into bike building, but looking at the initial prices...
I got my levo sl expert carbon (2021, latest model) for EUR 6.6.
I personally think the specs are ok for this price and the advantage of the carbon are obvious if you go "super-light" on emtb...
Yep totally agree we’ll priced for what you get
@@SamsBikes amazing you are taking the time to reply to an older video 👍👍👍
Hi sam, planning to upgrade the fork on my 2021turbo levo comp to fox 38 170mm my question is the offset 44 or 51 ? Thank you
Sorry mate I can’t really help you on that maybe just have a chat with your local specialized dealer at a guess I would say 44 but not 💯 sure
Hi mate what is your opinion on the Rockshox 35 Silver TK, 160mm travel TurnKey damper? The 2021 Levo has it.
I haven’t ridden it but a few riders have told me it’s actually pretty good well acceptable
@@SamsBikes I would like to know how it is compared to the low end fox36.
Im looking at the expert I just bought a 2021 bulls e stream evo AM4 and may sell or trade it for expert.
Doesn't the comp come with a less watt hr battery?
How is the Comp the base model? The base model is called Turbo Levo which has a recommended retail of 4799 Euro.
yea but it has a 500 watt battery... it more the idea of the video with some click bate sorr for that
Sam’s Bikes 😁
True. But that comes with a 500w battery and the Comp has a 30% bigger 700w.
Hey Sam, Just bought the 2021 Levo Expert 😍 I want to swap out the stock rubber... any recommendations?
I usually run Maxxis Minions on my normal bikes, this is my first ebike. Also I can only seem to find the following sizes... 29" (DHF 2.50WT 60 TPI Folding 3C Maxx Terra EXO/TR) and (DHR II 2.40WT 60 TPI Folding 3C Maxx Terra EXO/TR)
I'm riding UK trails such as Swinley Forest and Chicksands bike park.
Any recommendations appreciated!
Mate the front should be ok 👌 but I normally smash rears on a ebike try a eddy current rear or a minion with dh casing. I’ve run both both very good
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Sam’s Bikes Thanks Sam! Loving the channel!!!
dumb question, if you are building out why start with the comp and not the base model and save a bit?
Yep Ive seen the Miranda cranks they seem good.. I asked Matt about that but he wanted the 700 Watt Battery which I agree its a better deal.
2021 Turbo Comp Levo are out how about a review ?
Ill get it going Alan but its pretty similar nice to see they have used SLX brakes but
With these upgrades would it not be worth looking at a Kenevo as the bike to purchase?
I Don't really I don't think. This is a tough Levo with 29 wheels be a better all day work horse.
could you do that with the "normal" turbo levo?
you could and I have done it hahaha...
czcams.com/video/7LnlPkFi2k0/video.html
I have a 2021 Comp on order. Can't afford the upgrades after buy the bike. 😣
Maybe they will have a better spec for 2021 ??
how do you have a 2021 on order??? Specialized haven't even released the 2021 Turbo Levo yet.... Unless you're talking about the SL?
just ride it and see how you get on and replace as you need to..
2021 has complete SLX and Fox dampers. I will buy one next week.
@@HirschyB I put a down payment at a local BS will be ordered as soon as they are released
Alan Ross I got my new 2021 levo expert a few days ago. Love it!!!!!
Some problems with this thinking Sam!
I have both of these spec bikes. His (S4 / Large) and Hers (S3 / Medium). I ride the Expert Carbon, she has the comp and I went through this same process a few months ago when I was deciding what to get. What I now know having had both bikes and what I would do differently.
- Lyrik feels flimsy compared to the Fox36. Big stiffness difference. Being the aggro rider you are you will notice it!!! If you were to get the Comp, put on the Fox38 or the new Zeb! - This was one of the biggest causes of headache while deciding. Neither were out when I got mine. But they are now!
- Code R Brakes are superior to the Guide's - HUGE improvement. Bleeding takes some fiddling but much better now. You can change, but its not a reason not to buy a Expert.
- Ratio's: 11-42 on Comp vs 10-42 on Expert Carbon - driveline, it makes a difference! That lower ratio really is noticeable. Worth noting mate.
- Shock on Comp is rubbish, Expert is average :) A token replacement and that really helped my Fox DPS from Average to much better.
- Tyres are a choice. Also not the COMP comes with a 2.6" rear (Despite what the website says!) and the Expert comes with the 2.3" and stronger sidewall. Website says otherwise. Both have 2.6" front. I have changed to Aggesai 2.5" Front and DHRII DH 2.4" rear and much more stable and planted.
- BOTH our dropper posts have failed in the 1st few months! Both being replaced under warranty. They are 2 different models on the Comp and Expert BTW and different failures. Mine seized mid stroke and hers dropped a seal leaking oil all through the frame.
Hey Rob thanks for your comments, Im not a pro on the Levo at all but it was a little fun but I have ridden 36s and lyriks both with 180mm and the flex is the same in my opinion, and for the other stuff if all personal ideas if I was buying a levo right now I would defo go for my upgrades but thanks for your thoughts... that what I love about youtube we are both right haha.. Sam
@@SamsBikes We can't both be right! Lets fight about it :) Keyboards ready! I would buy a Comp for myself if I had my time again, however I would change Fork to the Zeb 170mm, Shock Upgrade to suite, Brakes to something, probably Shimanos too (Code R's seem good, but not great value), Ride driveline til it wears then replace with better. And add a Planet3 and ride like hell!
Hi Sam howdy. I'm buying a 2021 levo comp and want to add hope cranks do you know what ones are compatible please thanks Callum. P.s you enjoying your levo
Hey champ all you need is hope e cranks for brose motor! I’m not riding a Levo right now but will be on a Levo SL next week for a long term test!
Thanks Sam for your reply.do you know if anyone is doing chainrings specific for ebikes in orange thanks Callum
Hope just replied saying they don't manafcture a crank to fit the praxis m30 spline
Sorry champ don’t have any ideas ask hope they might know
@@callumcopley6780 really ? for a Brose motor? I'm 100% sure they do I just read it on their website
Hi Sam !
I think your europe link for Shimano SLX brakes is not the good one :/
Hey Mate sorry I just updated it maybe buy it at Chain Reactions I can't find a good link for the SLX brakes.. thanks for letting me know
I'm looking at getting my 1st ebike what would you recommend for a good start
have you seen my best value ebikes for 2020.. you can't go wrong with any of them
I thought putting a coil spring shock on a Levo voided warranty?
Swap orig back on for warranty
Which disc brakes for slx?
Leave the stock ones they are fine
What size you recommend for trek rail I'm 176cm 5.9ft m or L
Which rail the new size or the old it’s very confusing
2020
I thing 2020 or 2022 are the same?
thank you google, for subtitles. Sam, you forgot one little detail, the Expert comes with a 700 battery, i think the comp still has a 500wh. i have code rsc's i love them, what's supposed to be so terrible about SRAM brakes ?
Martijn Scheffer the comp has the 700 watt
Sram just are very spongy I like the on off power of shimano
My 0219 Stumpy has the Guide R (which are straight sponge). Miss the Shimano XTs badly - way firmer/easier to modulate
@@SamsBikes wich SRAM ?
What’s your new bike going to be?
its either a canyon or commencal depends on stock
Canyons new cockpit and integrated bars threw me off
This is unachievable price.. Costs more than my motorcycle or my gfs car. I'd be more interested in more value builds for half this price.
every passion comes at a price, I don't have a car or a moto bike so there you go..
Why do you prefer Aluminum Frames and on the other side recommend Carbon handlebar?
it's all BS !
if your riding a road bike or a hardtail totally carbon is better because is so stiff but with a full suspended Ebike you dont need it stiff you loose power through the suspension so there is not much in the stiffens but the carbon bars I feel you get a more snappy turn with zero flex. Look its just me and what I like and everyone is different
The motor will breakdown in these bikes. With in the first few months
There is a software update now that claims to have fixed the problem for the motor, check it out.The motor warranty has also been extended from 2 to 4 years. I'm taking my 2020 levo(purchased at the end of September 2019) to the shop to get the motor software updated this week. I have 1250 miles on my Levo with no motor problems. I'm still on the original brakes, chain, and tires, but the back tire will need to be changed out sometime in the next couple hundred miles. I have updated the stock aluminum handlebars 200 miles ago to Forte carbon bars 780mm and notice a big reduction in vibration and more comfort. They are a great value and hope they hold up long term. I have Ritchie carbon bar on my old 2010 Diamondback sortie 3 bike and it is still holding up after many years of hard riding. Lots of fun riding out here in northern California.
www.nashbar.com/forte-clutch-carbon-riser-handlebar-black-31.8mm-15mm-rise-780mm-50-4352-blk-non/p1205513?v=936019&msclkid=754938de01c516d6c33867f6cb96b320&NB%20-%20Shopping%20-%20%20INSTOCK%20-%20ALL%20-%20Branded&New%20-%20gross_profit_lt_250
ebike-mtb.com/en/brose-software-update-2020/
euros? .. how about AU prices
Because my audience and I live in Europe
How we going champs
sick vide mate. Keep it going. I'm flying through my rear tyre on the ebike. Maxxis Minion
Im new to this sport but I think youre just splitting hairs with these upgrades.....correct me if im wrong, but once youre out on the trail, the thoughts of things like shock travel, brakes, and tire durability goes out the door for me.....Im just hangin on and enjoying the ride.....just saying.
Haha 🤣 💯 wrong sorry mate for me brakes tires and suspension make a bike
Loads of fun speccing bikes but mine always end up really expensive.
I quite like the feel of some SRAM brake models but Hopes are a really good upgrade IMO.
I agree I prefer a Carbon Bar and I'd go Bergtec Stem.
Possibly an Ohlins coil.
Yeah totally agree with the fork upgrades and 160/170 is more than enough for 99% of riders. I like the higher end RS Lyrics but would be tempted to sell it and try the new 38 Fox.
As for wheels just some cheap and strong Al rims on some Hope hubs for reliability.
Tyres I'd go with some Maxxis DDs or DH Casing.
This guys riding a few of the above components and shows how good the Maxxis tyres are (Btw you're not as fast and the trail is more gnarly in real life): czcams.com/video/rOG6Eh4Va3M/video.html
Thanks for the kind words yes A lot of fun building bike.. I check the Video BTW im pretty fast haha
@@SamsBikes LOL well you can't beat a bit of self belief ... looking forward to seeing you on the World Cup DH circuit next season.
Have a look at some of his other videos they really are worth a watch and it resets what you think is fast :)
This is exactly why I would never go for Spesh.. don’t get me wrong - I love to play and change components.. but Spesh is simply not worth the money.
Yes...... but...... The bike is the frame/motor/battery and the rest is bolted on. If you don’t like the bike/frame, then fine, don’t buy. A mistake to allow components to become the focus.....
I tough you will say magura brakes, but shimano is the same rubish as sram
Would love to see this done with American dollars 👍🏽
Yep I get you but 70% of my viewers are in Europe.
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SRAM brakes are a big thumbs down hope all the way e4’s
I personally dont get on with Hope but I know they are good I just dont like the feel
Hope and Magura best brakes in the business 👍🏻
i’m sorry but the price for this bike is not worth it, there has been problems with the motor on only these bikes please do your homework rather than going for the brand. i think they fixed the issue couple months ago but this is recent and no body is talking about it.
Maybe you should do your homework. Brose fixed the issue with the 2020 production. If you get one now, it's likely to have motor produced in 2020. Otherwise if it really breaks (3-4% break according to Specialized) you will definitely get a 2020 motor.
@@akabukiman Thanks David I have heard the 2019 had problems but the 2020 are very good.. it is the best motor in its class in my opinion and I have ridden them all
the Big S is never cheap but they do make great bikes..
My 2020 comp motor broke after 3 mo, guess I am one of the 5%. Seem to hear like more people are having problems than 5%. They warranties quickly, luv ebiker in general
@@troyd1420 2020 Bike doesn't mean 2020 motor. My 2020 Expert does have an 11/2019 motor as well. You can check it with the Mission Control App.
At least the motors from 02/2020 should have a new 6-layer belt.
You will need a new battery within 5 months, your motor will shit the bed in 9 months.
Get a loan and go top spec.
Over priced and over rated