July 5, 2024 Weekly Live Stream

This is a weekly time I facilitate to talk and think through presenting issues, particularly for the people called Methodist, but more widely for believers in general. I have spent the week reporting on different topics and want to get feedback from the people who have considered my words.
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[@paulroland6387]

Sorry to double comment, but ( ~ @56:00 ) it would be awesome if you could give some sort of analysis of Life Church. As a fellow Okie, I know it’s more of a local thing for us, but I can’t find really anything substantial about what is a really major deal here. I’m not a fan at all from what little I know about them, but I also don’t really have the experience or knowledge about them to offer anything substantive. However, having said all that, I know several people who have been baptized in Life Church and credit it with their conversion to Christianity and they are very involved there. I still question the level of discipleship that happens there. I can’t say that I’m really disappointed the UMC kinda pushed Craig Groeschel out in OK. Sometimes we feel like we really dropped the ball because of what a success he’s been, but I think in this instance the Oklahoma Conference probably made the right calls that he really wasn’t a good fit with Methodism (of course that happened in the 90s too I think)

[@paulroland6387]

~ @48:00 “prevenient” comes from the Latin “pre” + “venire” (before + to come = to come before). Prevenient is better construed as the Grace that comes first (before conversion/conviction) 1 John 4:19 - We love because He first loved us. “Preventing” is alright, but I think some of the uncomfortableness or issues that you mention coming result from “preventing” not being a precise definition. It’s a functional translation to the extent that it helps figures like Wesley convey their theology (partially by appropriating a Latin theological term into common English), but the further you push it past it’s intended functionality, the more problematic issues you’ll run into