Come Alive: A Conversation with Talbot Davis
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Talbot Davis was born and raised in Dallas, Texas. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in English from Princeton University and a Master of Divinity from Asbury Theological Seminary. In 30+ years of full-time ministry in the Western North Carolina Annual Conference, he has served two appointments: Mt. Carmel-Midway (1990-1999) and Good Shepherd (1999-present).
In this conversation, we talk a bit about sacramental theology, church growth practices, and the ways in which doctrinal fidelity impacts, not only church growth, but how ethnically and culturally diverse a church will be. While we do not carry love for the UMC leadership, we speak to conservatives still within the UMC, asking how it is that folks can righteously continue to participate in such a body. We also talk a bit about why he and his church have chosen not to join the GMC despite having initially signaled a desire to join up. Interesting stuff!
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Talbot's Website - talbotdavis.com/
Come Alive Website - www.inviteresources.com/lp/co... - Zábava
I've always appreciated Talbot Davis from afar. I was saddened when he and Good Shepherd did not join the Global Methodists... until now.
Having learned that they will not practice infant baptism and do not believe in it as being a valid form of baptism in their context, I'm glad they've chosen not to join. I commend them for that and do not blame them for that because their willingness to respect the GMC enough to not try to come in and change what the rest of us believe, or just be a ministry silo again, helps us maintain doctrine and discipline.
I bristled when this guy mentioned Elevation church favorably. Rev. Rickman was quite gracious.
Great conversation! Enjoyable and definitely leaves food for thought
I didn't know Rev. Davis's (and the church he pastors) stance on infant baptism. Not joining the GMC in disagreement displayed wisdom. To completely dismiss traditional hymnody and order of service would not appeal to me personally, but I know folks (my husband is one) who prefers a contemporary approach. May God bless their effort and be glorified.
Wow! This guy speaks my language!!
Thanks! How so?
@@talbotdavis1225 I’m a big fan of what Jeffrey and the GMC are doing to disassociate with the UMC. But I am against denominationalism as a whole. I think that all churches should be locally governed while voluntarily sharing in mission and fellowship. I also share your affinity for believers baptism.
Great interview Jeffrey. I was a little surprised that they only do believer’s Baptism, but I can understand some of the reasoning behind it. Personally, although I’m like you in that I embrace infant baptism, I’d instruct on both, and then leave it up to the parents to decide. As to their decision to remain unaffiliated with a denominational structure, I can appreciate the fact that denominationalism is in conflict with God’s revealed will. Biblically speaking, there is only one Body, and one Lord. Orthodox/traditional churches should not divide over non-salvation issues. In my opinion, the UMC disaffiliation was not a church split, but rather, orthodox believers coming out of an apostate organization. As to the group’s remaining within the UMC to oppose progressivism, that’s a lost cause unless you can purge the seminaries of unorthodox professors. I best think of Methodism as a movement that can aid in facilitating Kingdom expansion, rather than a type of denomination. Statistically, all the denominations in America are, and have been in decline.
Great interview. Thanks to you and Talbot.
Mr. Plain Spoken: in an evangelical or Wesleyan church that practices believers baptism, small children are part of the family but they are like cathecumens, receiving instruction and prayers and guidance until they are ready to make their own confession of faith.
Love this interview! Thank you!
Excellent interview!!
If you've ever witnessed a newborn baby boy being circumcised, you'd never opt for it. I had to assist a dr. with a newborn baby when I was in nursing school. that poor little baby was screaming so hard, he was losing his breath. And it's done without anesthesia. The baby was inconsolable. I held him for quite a bit of time trying to comfort him after the procedure. he wouldn't even take a pacifier.
I’ve often wondered what Abrams men said when he explained what God had promised him and that little thing required of them - circumcision! I can hear the boys response, “WHAT! You better go back and get a 2nd opinion!”
I think all churches need to adhere to Glen Campbells song Try A Little Kindness and you'll overlook the blindness of the narrow minded people, on the narrow minded streets. That's why we have a diverse congregation in my Wesleyan Church I attend.
A nice song but it has nothing to do with sin and the need for repentance as clearly outlined in Holy Scripture.
You can change the methods without compromising the message of Christ. Nothing wrong with KLOVE music. We can't expect our youth to connect with 1700 King Henry the VIII music. It would be like us going to a church that only uses Latin or Greek or Armaic or Hebrew language in their services. Or playing Gregorian chant music. We wouldn't connect with it. The music should be like preheating your over to bake a really good cake. The sermon is the cake. Sing a new song unto the Lord. Praise Him with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Something I miss is responsive readings. I would love to see every service start with a responsive reading from Psalms, followed by antiphonal praise. Praise teams can write their own contemporary antiphonal praise choruses.
I’m glad they didn’t join (because of believers baptism) but they should find some authoritative body to be apart of.
Yes. There is a connection between the pastors going off into narcissist actions and heretical teaching with having no accountability to a body beyond the local congregation.
@@NillaOwen Yeah, we considered joining GMC or another denom for that reason ... and then realized when denom executives get involved in some sort of local church moral morass, it usually turns out worst, not better. We have opted to strengthen an already strong Board. And, in terms of heretical teaching & narcissitic actions, there's plenty of THAT in the UMC, and its authoritative bodies have certainly been no help. I hope all that brings some clarity. Thanks.
@@talbotdavis1225 Who are you accountable to? Pastors help chose those on their local board and they will rarely have the backbone to buck their pastor. Who can come in and look over you and them? That is needed. It isn't perfect with denominations but it is better than nothing.
don't idolize Mega Churches or their pastors. The Mega churches are flawed in many ways. Several pastors in the spot light for inappropriate sexual conduct and preaching false doctrine. Many of the popular singers that align with these mega churches are trying to play it both ways. when asked about their beliefs on LGBTQ and sin, their response is always a lukewarm or non committal answer. Lauren Daigle, said in an interview, regarding was homosexuality a sin, that she didn't know, she wasn't sure, and so many young girls are idolizing her and her music. Dante Bowe, with Maverick City, who is part of Elevation Worship, was caught on camera at a keg party, a place he should not have been (and it wasn't because he was ministering, witnessing or discipling anyone at that party. He was partying)
You're right to say that many larger corporate churches are more concerned with pop culture and market forces than smaller churches. I'm not sure you're right to infer that less sexual misconduct or heresy is to be found in smaller churches. I interview megachurch pastors because they are culturally influential. They inform the norms of what trickles down to the local church. Consulting influential leaders is required for responsible leadership in the present moment.
Trickles down? Hmm.
More and more parents are not opting for circumcision any longer. And if we did it according to the Bible, you'd have it done when the baby is 7 days old???? It's cruel.
That isn't really pertinent to this particular conversation. Given what Paul says in Galatians, circumcision is not good for Christians to do, but it isn't because it is cruel. It is because it represents a different covenant that is actually worse than the covenant we have in Christ Jesus. The cruelty objection just doesn't hold much water historically. Millions of male children have been circumcised by Jews, Muslims, Christians, Egyptians, and other cultures. It's like objecting to body piercings or other body augmentations. Pain is a part of life. Body augmentation is to be found in myriad cultures. Just because something is painful doesn't make it wrong. In the case of Judaism, circumcision, though painful, represented an eternal promise. Very worth it.
@@plainspokenpod I think Colossians expressly relates baptism with “the circumcision not done by hands”. I don’t understand it to be a one to one comparison with the OT act. Instead, I understand the circumcision not done by hands as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. In any case the Church at large has broken the Lord’s great gift in every possible way - who, what, when, where and how. We can all agree that that is lamentable. Come Lord Jesus.
Babies are born innocent. They do not need baptism to prove that.
Babies are not born innocent. That flies in the face of biblical doctrine. We are ALL born in sin and in need of regeneration.
By the time they become toddlers, not so much.
Wesleyan Churches do not practice infant baptism. We do baby dedications. We do offer choices of baptism method: sprinkle, pour, immerse. I witnessed infant baptisms in the UMC i left. Even the book of discipline states that no infant or child should be baptized unless it's being brought up in a home that is committed to Christ. I saw baby after baby born to crack and meth addicted mothers baptized and it made me sick to my stomach. It was ritualistic show, nothing more, It meant nothing.
Dedication isn't a biblically recognizable practice. It's just something people made up to feel good about believer baptism theology. But you're definitely right to object to babies being baptized into unbelieving households. We aren't doing then any good when we do that, and may be inoculating them against the faith.
Now I do not believe in speaking or praying in unknown tongues. That is not Wesleyan.
To do so in the assembly is biblically prohibited without an interpreter. To do so in one's private life is modeled in the New Testament by the likes of Paul himself. To condemn such a practice would put one at odds with the scriptures.
There are Wesleyan groups that speak in tongues.
Millions of Methodists & Wesleyans around the world speak in tongues.