Taking My GT Force ⚡ E-bike on its Maiden Voyage!
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- This is my first real ride on an E-bike, and the experience surprised me a little. I have had this GT Force Current E-bike for a little over a year now, but have mostly played around with it in my own yard. Over the winter, I upgraded some of the components and just recently took it on it's first real ride.
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Put it in Turbo/Boost, leave it there, and enjoy the flow UPHILL.
One advantage for me on my ebike is that I ride my trails so often it doesn't matter if I run across a rider or hiker that might cause me to slow down or wait for a bit, I'll be back riding the trail very soon and the next time I probably won't meet anyone at that spot so I get to ride it as I like that time. So I give lots of room and give way every time I can to be polite and let's not forget it is also easier to get back on track with the ebike once you've stopped to allow traffic to clear or go by. I appreciate you were riding the bike in eco/trail mode as many videos I've seen of advanced riders taking an ebike out for the first time pop them into boost/turbo and never explore the lower power modes where you can get a better fitness workout.
That's one of the best e-bike reviews I've seen! Something I've been thinking about for a while... Nice one Phil 🙏🏼
love your ish, bro. I'm glad you have been posting more.
I always enjoy your videos!!
Keep up the great work.
Just when you thought Phil couldn’t get any faster… 😂 the bike looks like a lot of fun
Somewhat elevated heart rate as he hucks a double in between two tight sketchy trees 😂😂….doesn’t even bat an eye. Phil’s a freaking dude
Hi Phil, I have the exact same e bike as you and love riding it here in New Zealand 🇳🇿
I did start out on a steam bike, but began to loathe the climbs. The e bike allows me to stay on the trails longer and now will happily climb. It did take a bit of getting used to as it does handle different, but have all my confidence back again.
Keep up the good content.
We love our ebikes!! Thanks for this, Phil
Rode some of those same climbs on Tuesday. Your video makes them look like nothing but I can say it gets steep and its easy to get pumped out quickly. Great video. Cool to see trails I know from a video point of view.
Where is this?
More eMTB videos please. Love em!
TURBO Phil. Always turbo.
I'm brand new to the ebike world too and lubing the chain was a pain, I'm glad you put that hack in, so much easier!
That's a nice bike and a great review 😃👍
Honestly I love the traction and stability of my Trek Rail. It feels good in most every situation and I am able to ride up and down no matter the steep
me too, just like my Slash but with a motor, nothing like grabbing a fist full of brake when going up thru switchbacks!
Ebikes are awesome 🤘
Phil, I have an Orbea Rise. I feel like with that bike I am directing it to where I want to go. I had a chance to ride a non eMTB during a loop. With the non eMTB, I felt I could put that bike anywhere I wanted it to go. Very nimble, and poppy. My riding style tends to prefer flow and techy climbing, so I love my Rise for that. If I were more into jumps, I think I would steer for the non eMTB. I also upgraded my brakes to Shimano Saints. The heavier bike just needs more stopping power.
Agreed it is just one of the items in the quiver. They do make the breeze better for the same effort, very important here in E Texas (Houston) area.
Love the video!
The silent hub is sooo nice!!!
hey love your videos cant wait for your newest video
just recieved mine last week, I am loving it. Getting back into MTB'ing. I dont have the upgraded shocks. I will keep the suntour ones that came with it. I do find the breaks on the slugish side comparied to my older MTB.
Cool vidéo !!
Your nuts at bike !!!!
It’s surprising you don’t have more subscribers
If it's good enough for Chris, Hans & Phil.... it's good enough for me!!
Love your vids
Phil has now become one of the content creators that I like the video before the initial ad even finishes. Lol Already know I’m gonna enjoy, so why wait, right? Haha
Sorta reminds me of a NINER rip E from the pov vantage. Not gonna lie. They look really similar. And you’re spot on with all your observations. People seem to think people are gonna get fat from riding ebikes. They don’t seem to understand the concept of pedal assist lol!
I’m hoping the shop I work at gets a GT ebike sometime soon lol!
Love the video brother! Keep up the great work!!
Edit: Glad to hear I’m not the only person who doesn’t mind having a heavier bike if it means it’ll withstand the abuse put on it lol
I have both regular and ebike. I ride mostly ebike. Most people say they like to earn the climb. But like you said the climbs after a while do become demoralizing. I know what I’m capable of on a regular bike I don’t need to prove anything to anyone. I ride my ebike because it’s just plain FUN. Isn’t that what anything you do should be. Some of my friends do give me a hard time but who cares. You need to ride an ebike just one time to understand, the haters are either jealous or never rode one. Oh on my ebike I hunt for the steepest hills I can find. Can’t say that for a regular bike. 😃
LOL Plow vs. Billy goat.... best analogy 2022
Ebikes rule 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
That bike is sick it would be awesome for trails out in wester Massachusetts where the trails are all you must go up to go down your eather flat ground or climbing to hit few nice tracks
need more cowbell! nice bike, i like the copperhead stems you have on all your bikes.
Nice review Phil. An ebike is in my future, only because at 63, I just don't have the strength and endurance I used to have. Only thing holding me back is the price, and the fact that in 8 months it will be outdated and worth pennys on the dollar.
Sick vid. I was wondering
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Cara que Massa! Acabei de me inscrever no canal curti demais os vídeos! Parabéns!
So much fun
Honestly the best rule of thumb for any mountain biking, no matter what you're riding, ebike or regular bike, is to not be a dick. lol Be considerate of everyone on the trail and we'll all have a good time. Cause that's what we do this for. Having fun.
Agreed but problem is most people who are just dicks have zero self awareness and don't even realize they're acting like jerks.
Funny I just went form a nuckproof scout too the mega 290 and I feel the same its a plow compared so much faster but I love it so far
Not sure if I can explain it correctly, but if you take the selector and put it on the right bar, up agains the grip. Then you can move your dropper over closer to your thumb, and if you get the adapter for your computer display mount, you can put your display over on your right hand where you can reach it with your thumb. I was moving my cockpit around modifying where things were, it took me 4-5 rides before I got it, but now it is more intuitive.
I didn’t even know GT made an ebike.
I have a YT decoy and it’s super poppy , I think it comes down to geometry and suspension.
About trails etichette, just use common sense and you’ll be fine.
I think you’ll be using that bike more then you think once it’s set up properly.
👍
Spot on on the passing etiquette Phil. I match the regular bikers speed at a distance where they don't feel uncomfortable and then catch up when I know there is a good place to pass. I usually climb on Eco too, so I'm not climbing at 20MPH (more like 8) so I don't really keep catching up to people that often. While personally I don't care if e-bikers blow by me when I'm on my regular bike some people are pretty sensitive about the subject so I try to err on being more polite to my fellow trail users. E-bikes are fun as hell, but as you said, not a complete replacement (maybe when they can get them down to 35lbs). Great video.
*laughs in EUC* :-)
I pass people the same way .then someone on a regular bike will pass me to show me how bad ass they are pass the people I was giving a break make them pull over then I can pass. Or I'll be giving someone a break and someone tell me I shouldn't be there when they catch me. 🤣🤣
This is why im glad to have trails that don't allow you ebikers. Eff off seriously
I still don’t even know what I’m about to watch all I know is its phil so it should be good
Eco mode on the climbs? EMTB is all about shredding the uphills as well as the downhills. I’m sure you could do some cool, novel stuff with this bike. Embrace the EMTB because they’re here to stay. Love your content.
very informative, got a question though...I see real tight squeezes while in air between very close trees....Have you ever whacked your knuckles throwing you off track? Some of those look really close...
I learned back on free style weight in right places can help on jumps and in ways I had 94GtPro performer tour and Dyno air and the GT heavyer because of some parts I would not lose plus the fram it's self and I liked the GT way better then my Dyno air
love me some e-bikes :D
Such a cool bike. Where are you riding? I’m in nh and always looking for new places to ride my levo
Any suggestions best way too get front rear suspension feeling the same I guess u just gotta ride see how feels
Bike park vids>>>
What do u think about enojes phill?
Stick with the poppy jackrabbit version of phil! Lol
is this cochrans? I rode there for the first time a two weeks ago on one of the super humid days - those climbs had me in the heat
Nice
Shimano is a great motor, especially for slower technical climbing, enjoy! If you want to see how agile a GT eforce can be take a look at Chris Akrig 😀
What do the granola folk over in VT think about e-bikes? Seems like they'd crack down on them big time in VT
Oh my lanta! You left an F bomb running free within your video? Tis a slippery slope...😜
I was thinking this would only cool one room, but it does well at cooling the entire floor.
CZcams Autoplay strikes again! I suspect this comment was meant for another video hehe
EMTBs i struggled with because of the weight so i've stuck to a regular mtb but i've had an e cargo bike for a year now and do 80% of my non mtb riding on that!
when you mean the weight you talking carrying the bike? if not the extra weight you dont feel. it actual help keep your center of balance low.
@@incredible5587 felt great on the fast techy stuff but on the tighter trails and moving it around, hops etc it just wasn't as fun for me as my standard mtb.
Hey Phil, would you take that Ebike down A-Line?
Been riding both my new ebike and old and steam bike switching back and forward for a while now. Definitely agree that ebikes is more plough and less poppy. But... they love speed and then they start to come to life. Also thrash them down AND up. (Practicing good trail etiquette always) One of the funniest things to do on an ebike is ride full power and smash up single track (down hilling uphill) , try and climb silly things (technical uphill). Basically turn the return trip to the top into about as much fun as the way down. So in summary - ride "e" like ya stole it. PS - using power on the way down helps you to remove any dead spots when the bike might slow down - you can quickly get it back to trail speed.
Cool🤘👍
Put that thing on Tour and you’ll see everything changes. Everything has flow on a Ebbzzz.
Eco or trail mode on the climbs depending on how much you want to work, or how worn out you are. But always click it up to boost mode on the downhills. The weight will rob you of your speed so quick on the pedal sections of the decent. Keeping it in Boost mode makes it so that you can throw a few super powerful strokes in to maintain that decent speed! Give it a try. Makes a big difference!
I leave mine in boost all the time unless other bikers or hikers are around, then I go to eco mode and fall back so people feel comfortable. I just want to make sure they know they don’t need to worry about me passing. I want them to have a stress free ride or hike too. Boost mode is great on downhills especially when you’re riding something blind and get caught on a bad line, losing your speed before that next feature. Boost mode helps you get back to trail speed in a few pedal strokes without getting winded. Best analogy with emtbs is that it makes ride effort feel more like a spin class where you get to control your resistance. Either way your heart will be pumping by the end of the ride.
Or...you could ride a dirt bike
@@Duckhead3000 You should give an ebike a try sometime. You don’t have to love or buy one, but it’s totally worth demoing.
Dirt bikes and ebikes ride totally differently, and you are allowed to do both! There's a reason why most of the top motocross racers also have an ebike.
Phil it pains me watching you ride in Eco, get that thing in Trail the whole time, REALLY makes the ebike come alive! Only use Eco if you're doing a long ass ride. For the brakes, I had Shimano SLX on my Canyon Spectral:On but switched to Magura 7s and the difference is night and day. I never had confidence in the Shimanos as they just felt underpowered, despite being 4-pots, whereas with the Maguras I can stop on a dime.
I would never go back to a non-ebike now (unless I was just doing downhill), it's just so much more fun to ride on normal trails. The extra weight is fantastic for carrying speed through the trails
Wait till GT makes a superlight emtb like the other brands lol. =)
😁 bikes handy but are they reliable? let's see
Ebikes an Volume spacers go hand-n-hand. Wouldnt be surprised to see you with the max 5 installed in the fork. Will definitely add some Pop. Also big brakes or a better pad. Galfer Purple is really good. And yes Eb riders should exercise patience when approaching Amish bikes climbing, a bell would be nice but may be intimidating to some.
Can move the mode button to inside of brake lever to avoid accidental BOOST mode.. A mode that a fit person will never use unless doin silly stuff ;) P.S. Welcome to the "Darkside" ;)
“Amish bikes” LOL I like that
Stealing this...
Boost all day bud!
Your heart rate is elevated because you need to lay off the ale and the burgers! lol :)🍔🍺. Truthfully from watching your videos if you never ride xc trails on a classic pedal bike your legs will be weaker. If you ride an ebike your legs will get weaker but your cardio / heart will get stronger...because you won't have to stop and rest... if that is your goal. I was 280Lbs when I got my spec levo, and lost 60 lbs because it. Now I can ride my trek slash very easily. I use my ebike on to rest my legs on rest days... and trek slash on workout / enduro days.. thanks for the motivating videos btw. :)
Hey Phil
Great video.
I felt like you were roaming around my brain 🧠. Your uneasiness with Ebike tech itself and the image that seems to come with them. The whole etiquette on the trail thing.
I started a little over a year ago saving up to purchase an Ebike an like you "ive had it for a year and this is its first ride" I kept waffling for various reasons during that time from cost, ride quality, to yes what my friends family thought.
After much studying and getting to understand the machines themselves I became comfortable with their unpopularity.
I've been mtbing since early eighties when they were fully rigid, rim braked skinny tired, suicide machines. And having watched every new innovation that has come along be maligned by the purists and the haters as cheating or ruining the sport. It acurred to me that ALL of those purist and haters are now riding the very bikes they were trashing then. That made the what they think thing just become "haters gonna hate"
Ride quality was my final personal hurdle with these machines. Like you ive never been a weight weeny build the bike that can survive what you chose to ride but almost 20 plus pounds more weight just seemed well
Then an epiphany hit me
That my first STEELmtb weighed 46 lbs, thats 3 pounds less then the average Ebike. And I had stupid fun on that beast.
So I succumbed to the lure of the Ebike and purchased one.
After a month plus now I can honestly say that I am glad I did it. It won't replace my acoustic bikes but will ad to what kind of riding I will do now.
Be that going up is as enjoyable as going down im looking at trails differently now. And have effectively doubled the amount of single track near me cause now both directions are FUN.
Its been a blast talking bikes with you hope I get to PLAY bikes with you one day. LOL
RSD BRAH.
I'm curious if you were to use a higher mode than ECO for downhill if you'd get yourself in trouble with speed in trying to slow down quick enough.
I wouldn't be going any faster. The motor cuts out around 18mph. All my speed on the downhills is generated by pumping.
@@SkillsWithPhil Interesting. I didn't know they had a cutoff. They definitely seem like a solid way to cut down on gas use for those shuttling and just have an all around fun time.
So (in effect) two freehubs now? I understand why they need one at the motor, so probs could lose the rear one to save weight - interesting to see if this happens over time.
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised is the shimano motor is using the same style one way bearings as the onyx hubs 😂, but without a rear hub the chain would spin the entire time when coasting. I had a trials bike that used a freewheel in the front so the chain spun when coasting. I lost a lot of pants to them getting caught in the chain, and i cant see that being even more dangerous on an ebike
@@SkillsWithPhil ah, good point. Two freewheels it is.
My weekend ride partner has been on a Levo SL and rarely gets out of Eco mode. It just lets him ride further he still gets a workout. And I always have someone waiting for me at the top of hills. As for passing while climbing if someone catches me on single track I happily stop and let them by to take a break. On fireroads I just hog the clean line, if you caught me you can pass me in the marbles.
Total cost of a bike like this?
Lost bike co is legit
They're were awesome to deal with A++ would recommend.
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That bike is fukin sikkkkk
At 60 yo, I'm working on fitness, but I can see the benefits of an e-mtb. Being able to ride more trails for longer, not walking climbs, etc. We'll all get to the point where we still want to trail ride and downhill, but our bodies aren't capable of the same level of suffrage. With the added weight of an e-mtb, you're still gonna get a workout regardless.
As a 58 year old I dislike E-bikes greatly. I pedal my own way. However, for some there is a need and that's cool. Saw a couple that could have been 80'ish with e-bikes and was happy they could still be out pedaling and enjoying the outdoors.
5:30 What are the strings between the trees for?
Those are sap lines for maple syrup.
So how long did the battery last? 1 hour? 2?
Definately a good option if you can't shuttle and have the spare $$$
I was actually out riding for a bit over 2.5hrs including stops and chitchats. So probably 2hrs total of moving time and i did just under 12miles and ~3000ft of climbing.
I see my regular bike as a point and shoot machine, whereas my ebike is just amazing at plowing through rock gardens. I love both of them equally, they are very different beasts but each have their own place. In terms of weight I definitely agree with the point that you feel it more at lower speeds but at high speeds you barely notice but that is also true on normal bikes to some extent. For reference my normal bike weighs 15.6kg and my ebike weighs 29.8kg. (I dont know how to convert to lbs for you folks over the pond)
Great thing about ebikes is you can ride the flat like it is the downhill. Turns flat trails into a whole different thing. Gotta be respectful and go slow on blind corners though
2:30 Phil do you know if there is difference in construction / stiffness or its just damping tune ?
Double check what I'm about to say. I can't speak for rockshox but Fox has e-optimized forks which are built beefier and have different damping. They also have e-tuned forks that are the same build, bit have different tuning. I believe on the fox 38, since it's already pretty beefy, the builds are the same but the internals are different.
When i built this bike my first thought was to buy a regular 160mm 38, however after going back and forth with engineers at GT, their contacts at fox, and lost bike co, and their contacts at fox, i wouldn't have been able to to tune it to match an ebike 38. Instead i opted to go for a 170mm Fox 38 ebike ready and then buy and additional airspring to reduce the travel to 160mm.
@@SkillsWithPhil thx
Does anyone know what all those ropes in the trees are for?
Those are sap lines for Maple syrup! 🍁
I have an Orbea Rise which is a lower power lighter ebike. rides like a normal bike. mine is like 38lbs. I really want to make some Vermont trips but trail systems like stowe, kingdom don't allow them. Ascutney, Slate Hill and some other trail systems I don't think they are a problem. I've been on the Bennington Bat trails with it. I really would like to ride Kingdom Trails and I hope these areas change their policy.
In Vermont most places unless posted otherwise are ebike friendly. I think stowe may have even changed their tune on ebikes, but don't quote me on that.
@@SkillsWithPhil I think Stowe opened up a section of trails to E bikes as a trial but not everything.
I'm looking for an EBike, in Canada, I do not see this bike on their website. Is this bike not released yet?
Some bikes aren't offered in different countries. I don't fully understand the reasoning but i double checked and you aren't blind, it looks like its not on the Canadian site. FWIW If you go to region and change it to international you can see all the models, not that that helps you.
@@SkillsWithPhil Thanks Phil!
As a candian dealer I was told North America did not get them this year or the last 4 they have been made for.
If they have them in the states already then I have been lied too but I can order the cheaper one for late next year. The one shown in the video is just marked as out of stock still with no date but at least it's on the b2b.
All road bikes,nice hardtails, every single full suspension from sensor to fury were all taken off the Canadian site and cut from placed orders
I have this bike and would like to buy the same fork and shock. Is it available to the public?
Here's what I did. I bought the fox ebike 38 etuned and then bought a 160mm damper because i could only find the 170mm forks in stock. FWIW normally the stock fork is a 150mm travel fork.
I then bought the fox float x2 185x55 trunnion, and had the shop change the compression and rebound circuits. The rebound circuit is the low tune (805-05-487-KIT), the compression is the low tune as well (805-05-481-KIT)
I bought everything through the lost.co
Fork (not affiliate links)
thelostco.com/products/2022-fox-float-38-factory-kashima-e-tuned-29-grip2-shiny-black?variant=39588076748998
Shock
thelostco.com/products/2022-fox-float-x2-w-climb-switch?variant=39562625024198
@@SkillsWithPhil Thank you so much for the quick response! Cheers!!!
Did you have the motor assist on while descending?
Yes but once you go over 18mph, the motor doesn't provide any assistance. So unless i come to a dead stop it never kicks on while descending.
@@SkillsWithPhil ah okay!
Yeah, that Cochran's climb is REAL demoralizing
Everything up to skullies is fine, but once you decide to go to the top, that part is relentless. There are very few breaks, its always a slight uphill grade. It could use 3-4 spots where it just meanders for a bit more to let you spin your legs before you tackle the next section.
@@SkillsWithPhil amen to that! Glad to see it's open. Might have to head over from Northern NY
Riding an Ebike for awhile, along with my regular bike. I have never passed anyone on a single track, I just get in line as I would with my normal bike. In group rides, I just fall in line and so many times there have been people that did not even know I had an ebike until we were talking at the end of the ride. I have talked to many people who mention ebikes "blasting past others " on up hills, yet not one of them have experienced it, just heard it from someone. I believe it is very less common, more often is having a CAT1 rider come up and pass on a up hill.
I have been trying to order one of these for 4 years now and I am GT dealer lol.
Would be nice if they could ever send me a nice bike again.
It has been over 2 full years since I have had a Force or Sensor to sell.
Anything over the avalanche comp has been canned on the last two bookings.
I can't get a single bike that will survive local trails from them. Just cheaper hardtails,kids bikes ,and bmx
Hey champion Glenn here on the wifes account that bike is sooo sexy
alright dose anybody else noitce that sexy stem?? its one of the best things i think ive ever seen. Phil, what are your thoughs on the contraversy on E bikes these days? I can see both sides on how the are helpful (especailly considering that both my parents are older and have one). However i can also see the bad in them. what are your thoughts?
How low are those sap lines? Looks like they are at eye level. Yikes!
Some are pretty low, but most of them aren't in a spot where you are going too fast. We've all been clipped by one at some point, usually while climbing haha. They prop them up once the sugaring season is done.
That's a nice looking ebike , lets hope we never see it again on your channel.
It wont be the last.
Hey
Welcome to the dark side :) I'll agree with what the guy you talked to said, I just get out and ride a lot more, already got 600 miles in a few months, I only did 1k all of last year.
Ebikes should always be tested in boost mode. Show us what its really capable of. ✌️
Where I notice the weight is when I'm braking. Especially on a downhill.
220 rotors, the right calipers and the right tires ... no problem
@@oliverbourne9599 what is your opinion of the right calipers and tires?
@@mtbwithtfb I run the Magura MDR-P 220 rotors with CODE RSC's. The Hayes Dominion A4 is the other high powered caliper option. Also make sure you are running the best Sintered or Ceramic brake pads which you properly bed in and don't run till they are bare trying to save money. Brakes regularly well bled and set up properly. Tyres would specifically be DH carcass = Maxxis Assegai DD MaxxGrip front and rear or the Michelin DH22 front and rear. I could very easily go over the bars on a 24.5kgs eBike on a reasonably high traction surface with this type of set up. Obviously, there are many differences riding monster eBikes vs. your pedal power bike, braking points is just one of them. People just go on about the weight but I find I am also going faster on a DH track with an eBike than I am on a pedal bike ... hence the full-on Pro brake set up
@@oliverbourne9599 Thanks so much Oliver. Looks like I'll be upgrading soon.