TPS Potato Growing - What to Expect?
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- This isn't Yukon Gold anymore Dorothy!
There are differences when you are growing TPS seedling potatoes compared to growing commercial potato varieties. This video will point out several of those differences so the newbie TPS grower will not be surprised. TPS potatoes often show growth habits and features never seen from commercial potatoes, because any seedlings that show these traits are destroyed/culled by professional potato breeders. The main reason for this is they make the potatoes unusable by commercial growers who harvest their potatoes with machinery. When you grow potatoes from True Potato Seed (TPS) you will likely see the following
Long rampant vines, sometimes in excess of 5-8 feet from the planting location.
Extremely abundant flowering and fruit production, especially in the seedling year (weather permitting).
Long Stolons and/or runners, including sprouts from the plant popping up out of the ground many feet from the planting location, they also may end up producing tubers many feed from the planting location.
Variability. TPS seedlings are genetically unique from each other and even when grown from a self pollinated parent variety, TPS seedlings will exhibit variability for shape, color, size, and yield, as well as plant growth characters like maturity, vine vigor, stem and leaf color, flower color, flower fertility, and disease resistances. No two seedlings will be alike.
This video was created in response to a question about TPS availability from a commenter. He described himself as a "prepper" and he wanted to buy a pound of TPS to have in his survival seed stash.
Presumably he was planning on being able to grow his own potatoes once the world had come to an end. The problem with this idea is that TPS do not grow themselves. Unless you have an understanding of how to grow the tiny seedlings, pot them up, and get them established, your chances of success are minimal. The only people who would have success are folks who actively garden/farm and understand the needs of plants in general, and potatoes specifically. A pound of TPS in the stash is useless, but a knowledgeable grower can produce hundreds of pounds of potatoes from a few grams of TPS.
I also wanted to give a big recommendation to the Torp Tomaten channel, to those interested in TPS growing. She has some fantastic TPS growing videos, as well as general gardening videos. / @torptomaten3981 - Jak na to + styl
Well smart*ss. Most preppers also do gardening. Preps include knowledges, not only seeds
Yep. I prep and garden. But he is right - it would be ridiculous to save seed and not learn how to grow them.
Yeah, there is a pretty small amount of preppers who think that they can only stock pile stuff and think they will know what to do when something happens. I'm not saying I'm the best example of a good prepper, but I am definitely learning stuff like growing potatoes from seed so that I can start practicing this coming growing season.
I don't watch many 25 min vids but that was awesome! I have learned more from you and Torp than anyone else on YT regarding TPS. They are so darn fun to grow. Very cool that you mentioned her!!
Its really weird I hadn't seen her before. There aren't a huge number of TPS vids. I binged watched them all a couple days ago.
Boer Jan is another potato breeder I enjoy watching.
I'm growing potatoes in canvas pots this year from discounted half rotten seed potatoes I got from the grocery store. They are doing well and I have several berries from the plants. I plan to try the seeds in the basement with grow lights this winter. (I'm near chicago). I am so excited and hope this works!
This is awesome to know. I've always wanted to try tps, looks like I'm getting into more than I realized. Thanks for keeping it real.
Excellent video. I have my first TPS seedlings, in individual containers, still to harvest. I watch Torp Tomaten and I like her TPS and tomato breeding videos. She explains things in a clear manner. This video of yours showing the diversity of your plants is wonderful for me as a beginner as to what I might expect. Thank you.
Thank you!!! I now have a handle on what to expect when I collect and grow from seeds! A lot of food for thought!
Thanks for the recommendation of Torp. I just subscribed to her. I do have TPSeed this year.
Yes, she is awesome. I will also have lots of fresh interesting TPS, we should trade some seeds TrollForge.
HAHAH! Love the anti-prepper rant. Thanks for the informative vid!
Wait for your CBDC.
Yes it can get frustrating growing first time anything. Especially new climates. For me Virginia is so different then Sacramento California
Thank you for the encouragement
Great video. Very informative!
Thanks for letting me know not to waste my time with TPS.
Thank you 💚
Very good - both encouraging and discouraging at the same time! I'm limited now, in bending ability so must grow spuds in raised beds or containers; the latter may be the better option as growing them in the same spot over two seasons can encourage blight and damp-off. I'll be interested to see if the tps plants are more disease resistant than the Agria strain I have been growing. Col NZ
Thank-you!
Awesome! This is my first introduction to the world of potatoes. Everything I knew previously was from the documentary "Botany of Desire." One thing I'm not sure they made clear was that potatoes from seed have limitless variety. They did talk about it with apples and how rare it is to get a sweet apple tree from seed. All I know is at this point if I had to feed myself I would starve. I play with a garden every year but more often then not the majority of what I grow never gets eaten. Saying that I do have big plans but much to learn. Thanks for the video.
Hey Ben! Still hoping to see a video on the roof/clerestory thing man!
I have to say, I like Michael Pollan, but he gets a lot wrong. Maybe not so much wrong, as he has a strong tendency to oversimplify complex agricultural realities to make a more compelling narrative. Which is fine unless you know the details, and then it irritates you. I have a hard time reading him, even though I think his work has been good for bringing attention to the food system. My friend Steven Edholm at the Skillcult channel bred and apple he calls Bite Me! that is a direct refutation of Michael Pollan and his writings on apples in the Botany of Desire. Check it out if you want a laugh. czcams.com/video/OAFH-IafysQ/video.html
Its easy to get sweet apples from seeds. You just need to get them from an Orchard that only has one variety, Most commercial apple growers plant hundreds of bitter crab apples as their pollinator so most apples are pollinated from pollen from the crab apples which produce millions of flowers. Pure Granny Smiths that are far way from any other types of apples will produce exactly the same apples from seeds but takes about 10-12 years to get your first apple. Hand pollinating from indoor apples produce identical as well just as long as its not cross contaminated.
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love this, can you recommend where to get seeds, I'd like to try thus. I don't mind if they produce different types oh ya I'm not a pepper, I'm just a 67 year old guy wanting to grow my own food
I keep hearing about Torp Tomaten, but the channel shows no videos. Did something happen to the channel?
try not to be too harsh on preppers. They've been WAY ahead of the curve and you would know that if you're looking at what is developing. Great video anyway! I learned a ton. Thanks!
Also, I know you call some of these "unruly" but for homesteaders, is it an actual pain for you or you're just trying let everyone know that you may have potatoes from different plants that are nearby infiltrate other potato plants? Finally, were those gunshots I was hearing near the end?
Mine are everywhere going from tubers, so them going everywhere wouldn’t be an issue. I was originally thinking about trying TPS, just because I wasn’t sure if I could get the seed potatoes to make spring. Now that I know I have no problem getting them to keep until next spring, it’s just out of curiosity and to see what I’ll end up with, is why I’m planning to harvest the berries from my potatoes this year. Should be interesting, I have 7 different potato varieties planted this year. 😂
Question: Can anyone tell me what is the proper way to store the Tree Potato Seeds until I plant them. Thank you.
The channel you mentioned appears to have removed all of their content, that's too bad.
I’m growing a bunch of Andean varieties this year and I gotta grow them from tps. I did not know about the possibly longer vines. It’s not a problem but it’ll be interesting to see how many develop those long vines
Actually I heard you mention bill whitson. That’s where I got mine from
Seriously, you are Level 77 Eternal Grandmaster of True Potato Seed Growouts!! I know very well what goes into starting potatoes from TPS, this kind of scale is Epic Level stuff. I’ve only ever done TPS growing 3? times. First was Tetraploid seed from a commercial variety I got from Kenosha Potato Project many years ago. That seed produced very nice if boring and ordinary potatoes. Later, I got seed from Tom Wagner, mostly if not entirely Diploid, that gave results much like what you show here, Giant vines, long stolons, mostly smaller tubers and yields, many never really went dormant, but amazing diversity of color and shape. The last time I did a grow out was maybe 3 years ago, all in 3 gallon pots, all wacky diploid and none really produced anything worth bothering with. Generally your results are excellent, very respectable yields. Any idea of the ploidy of your plants? I do have the book by Rebsie, very helpful resource. I have subscribed to the Tomaten channel you mentioned, looking forward to checking it out. Truly impressive work you’re doing there, well done!!👍🏻👍🏻👌🏻
Ploidy-wise with the seedlings I've got about 2/3rds tetraploid and 1/3 diploid. I've also got almost an entire row planted in wild potatoes, mostly Solanum jamesii with a short section of a experimental hybrid called GS 399 which is a Solanum verucossum X cardiophylum cross developed by Dr. Shelley Jansky at USDA-ARS. Both jamesii and GS 399 are diploid, but jamesii is EBN1, and GS399 is a EBN1/EBN2 bridge clone, so it isn't clear what its balance number would be. But something sure as hell is pollinating it, either some of the diploids or it is getting pollinated by jamesii. I guess it is possible that it is self pollinating too, but that is extremely rare in diploids. I love Rebsie's book. I wish she would reappear in the potato/plant breeding world.
Ok, excellent! I think with having plenty of Tetraploids your yields are better than if you had mostly diploids. It also does help that you space them fairly far, I have generally not given them so much room. Thats a good lesson.
I think Botanical Seeds offers TPS at your local nursery. I've got my own that I grew and harvested from my diploids from the nursery. TPS grow only small plants, and small fruit in small amounts. But, when the grid goes down, and you can't reach the nursery, and it's probably closed for good anyway, you'll be glad you at least have your own TPS.
21:09 the sound of nearby preppers getting ready for possible zombie attacks. So what you're saying is I should stop building my survival shelter under my house?
Ha ha! I didn't even notice the shots until I was editing the video. Someone is always shooting this time of year if its a nice day. Deer and turkey open soon. I guess my beef is not so much against the idea of "preparedness" as it is against the idea that all you need to do is buy stuff and that stuff will save you when the zombies attack. Whether its freeze dried food or ammo or "survival seed packs". So a "prepper" could have a pound of TPS in his stash (which would probably cost him a couple hundred $$ if he could even find it) and he'd still starve before he ever tasted a potato. But if you have the right knowledge you can grow all the potatoes you need with less than a gram of TPS.
I think there is a difference between "preparedness" and "preppers". Preparedness is just building in plans and resilience from reasonable threats, like power outages, storms, floods, fires, etc (depends on where you live). "Prepper" to me is a concept based on irrational fear, and maybe in some people a creepy desire to shoot people with all the $$ in firearms they've collected.
Anyway Deva, I've got those diploid potatoes ready to send to you, do you want to message me with your address? I think you'll have good success with them growing them in the potato tires in the fall/winter. Let me know.
Deva! email sent, ok? I deleted the comment so all of YT couldn't see your email addy.
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I think the term preppers need to be qualified. There are scarsteaders pornsteaders and homesteaders. Iam sure you can define a few others as well.
Personally I think season to season planning is wise with maybe six months worth of expenses set back as a safety is wise. I think this would be a good conversation. John S.
Grow like you would grow tomato or eggplant transplants first, then transplant the plants in the field. Mulch with straw or old hay. Fertilize the soil of cause.
Sure the plants will spread on the mulch, but its not an issue.
This kind of potato growing seems more beautiful to me than the traditional way.
Aye, you can get all sorts of material and theoretical knowledge, but these things can fail completely if you don't have the EXPERIENCE to use them properly. When you do things you encounter problems and discover deficiencies that nobody mentioned. With experience you know how to overcome these things and discover your own methods to do things in efficient successful ways.
In other words, you pass through the failure phase when failure doesn't matter!
My son gave me some potato Clancy seeds I have no idea what to do with them I’ve never heard of potato seeds like this so that’s kind of crazy I’m gonna try it
Planting my Clancy seeds today.... First time, I usually use seed potatoes, everything else this season are seed potatoes so hopefully we will both have luck!
It looks like success to me, but the real test is in the flavor.
How do replant potatoes without them being hooked to a plant? Don't they just rot?
Beginning TPS Farmer - What's the difference between Diploid and Triploid?
This talks about how many pairs of chromosomes an individual has. Humans (and as far as I am aware, all animals) are diploid, we have 2 pairs of chromosomes - one from mom and one from dad. Plants somstimes have more than two pairs; modern potatoes are usually tetraploid and have 4 pairs (some potatoes are diploid) and many modern fruits like strawberries are octaploid (8). When something has an uneven number of pairs, like triploids (3), that causes fertility issues. In order to sexually reproduce, the organism needs to have equal pairs. So a triploid probably won't make seed that's viable but a diploid or tetraploid will have almost every seed viable from a genetic stand point. The reason many modern crops have multiple copies of chromosomes is that the more genetic information there is, the healthier the plant and the larger the yields tend to be. So tetraploid potatoes tend to stay healthier and have larger and more potatoes than diploid. I've never heard of triploid potatoes although there are a few triploid apples, but theoretically they would have larger yields than diploid, you just probably wouldn't be able to breed them.
Hello, may i ask? Are those potatoes Grown from TPS safe to eat?
Almost all of them. It is possible that a plant might have more solanine, which is toxic, however it would be so bitter you wouldn't want to eat it. It's also fairly unlikely to happen
I'm on my 3rd year growing potato's from my own seeds
Don’t the rocks hinder the yield?
Not directly. They make harvesting and weeding a bit more challenging, so if I don't weed enough because of the rocks etc, then yield will be reduced, but the rocks themselves have no impact on yield.
Thank you! I'm excited by your video, because, I had many berries of potatoes in my very little garden'' perma culture'' , I make a garden with potatoes,every year and that is the first time I see that. I thought it was tomatoes , I taste it and I understood ...I did not eaten because it was very bitter.I have a lot . I think I will plant berries direcly in the soil before winter and let mother nature growing potatoes this spring like she was doing last century???
It really doesn't matter cause I grow potatoes as a perennial. They keep coming up reliably without replanting every year. I may get some purple potato seeds though just to learn a bit better about the properties of different varieties of potatoes. Same for tomatoes, except that tomatoes can't be a perennial here in zone 8b. When the world comes to an end, I will still have a lot of potatoes in the soil that overwinter and come back automatically every year. LOL LOL BTW, Do NOT stake your tomatoes. They fall to the ground like your TPS potatoes. When the tomato stems touch the ground, they will root and spread horizontally to cover the ground. LOL LOL LOL
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Year i adly noticed that too
*warning* rant about doomsday prepper seed savers
I thinks it was mostly against people who buy seed but don't know how to grow food properly.
A lot of preppers will buy cool gear that could be of use, but don't learn to use it properly. That includes seeds without knowing how to farm.
Your gear is only as good as your knowledge.
The biggest problem with the prepper farmer idea is that if it actually does happen and you are successful producing your own food, how are you going to stop the huge amount of very hungry and desperate people from digging up your garden and taking all your food? You will be greatly outnumbered by hungry people who did not prepare and they will revert to acting like starving animals and they will become very dangerous if you try to stop them from eating your plants. The better strategy would be to be as far away from other people as possible and keep a very low profile with shelf stable food well hidden where they can't easily know that you have food. Cooking would be out of the question because that would definitely attract hungry people. But even looking well fed would attract hungry people because they would know that you must have food stashed away somewhere.
That why I live in the middle of nowhere
Your Torp Tomaten person, the channel has no content, no videos.
Prepping is silly and generally wasteful. You need to live it to use it. If your lifestyle is self reliant and self sufficient, there is no need to prep.
They don't have to be pretty. ugly potato's are just as good.