Wahoo Kickr CLIMB Gradient Simulator: Zwift Setup How To
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2018
- An overview of how the Wahoo Kickr CLIMB Gradient Simulator is configured within Zwift and how the 'Trainer Difficulty' setting impacts the CLIMB. With a bonus wheelbase hack by Motti Pikelny that allows full gradient simulation on the Climb with using any 'Trainer Difficulty' setting. Please subscribe to support this CZcams channel: goo.gl/QS5YZg
Links:
GPLama Wahoo KICKR CLIMB Gradient Simulator Video: goo.gl/ELJ9eH
ZwiftInsider Zwift/Climb Article: goo.gl/6gozk8
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I love my Climb and I have noticed how much easier hills are in the real world now. I just wish Zwift would implement a "Slope" block in the workout mode so we can build our own hills.
Love my Kickr CLIMB! Paired with my 2018 Kickr and the new Headwind, it's the ultimate setup.
Thanks Shane I did get one in the end I’m glad there’s a workaround;)
The Zwift community is just awesome. A little hack here, little app there (that world customizer is also really cool). Good thing that you can do these kind of adjustments at least on the PC/Mac side of things and that Zwift doesn't lay the ban hammer on these hacks.
Great video, Shane. I have a Climb and use it on Zwift. One thing I wanted to mention is the order in which I must turn on the devices. If I turn on the Climb before the Kickr but after Zwift it will not register the gradients on Zwift even though it is paired successfully. If I activate the Climb after the Kickr but before Zwift then everything works 👍. Thought this was worth mentioning as there were plenty of times when I'd start a Zwift session, all the indicators looked correct, Climb was paired and in Kickr control mode, but no gradient changes came in from the Kickr.
UPDATE: After looking into it more carefully I've come to realize that the Climb does not respond consistently regardless of activation order. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I've quit out of Zwift, restarted the Kickr, restarted the Climb, same results. Climb just sits there. It's kind of like a $650 front wheel stand. 🤷🏽♂️
@@selinovaldes Happens to me also. I agree it probably has to do with the sequencing of waking up the KICKR and then the Climb before launching Zwift. Occasionally also re-pair the Climb. I do the same. If no response, I stay in Zwift Session, but unplug the KICKR and Climb, then power them back on KICKR First then Climb, and repair is necessary. Seems to resolve it. I also have the Tickr, which I found I need to be wearing when I launch Zwift or it will connect but sometimes not transmit a signal.
Wow great insight! I thought that was just me... I can NEVER get this thing to work.
Make sure the climb is paired to the kickr in the wahoo app FIRST, and that the wheelbase is Correctly entered in the wahoo app in mm. Then confirm that the gradient slider is at the halfway mark or all the way up for realism. If you want yo apply the wheelbase hack instead, then youre on your own. I made an error in the wheelbase size and my bike barely moved.
Super smart Shane. Keep up the good work.
Cool math hack. Hats off to your colleagues. Thanks for the tips.
Just noticed the new ultegra r8000 crankset. Yay upgrades!😁
See my Instagram post about 30 minutes ago. DuraAce is an upgrade! :)
Bravo Chad.
Niiice Niiice ♡
Shane, do you have a video that shows how to hook up the Wahoo Kickr to Strava?, so that your indoor Wahoo workout shows in your Strava feed?
Will this same hack work with the kickr Snap?
I assume it will be okay?
Brilliant video Shane👍👍
Yep!
Hoi Shane, really love your video's. Used to be a trainerroad user, but for health issues i can't go all out anymore (no more max haert rates). I'm turning to zwift this winter in europe and going for the kickr V6. Just doubting for the kickr climb. Looks a nice addition. Is the lag in zwift still present? TIA
Hi Shane, great video as always. Maybe I missed it, but have you (or whoever is reading this) tried the Kickr Climb with a Tacx Neo? Do they work well together?
Incompatible rear drops. Details on this on my other Climb videos.
I assume you’re just estimating percentages visually with the trainer difficulty selection?
This is genius.
👍💕
I have a neo and have no issues with it BUT do I need the new climb and 2018 kickr? Noise/cost isnt a issue, just wondered if im missing out on better hill climbing workouts? by using the right muscles for the job?
It really depends how 'hardcore' you want to go with your climbing. A Neo with a front wheel block will do the same job, albeit static, not dynamic.
Hi Shane, does the climb work with the Neo? Do Tacx have a product similar to the climb in the pipeline..thanks Derek
No, and not that I'm aware of.
Hi. Just bought the climb in combination with the Kickr move. The hack is not working anymore. When you change the wheelbase in my case from 975mm to 3900mm (25% trainer difficulty wanted) and you check than the sensor information in the wahoo app one page further the gradients are not anymore -8% and +22%.
Also did a few test rides but don't get it moving 100% if not riding at 100% trainer difficulty.. Any new hack?! ;-)
bRILLIANT VIDEO, explained well, just need to order the climb now
Your Zwift display makes my Macbook look like a Gameboy
hahah! And that's only 1080. I need to upgrade to 4K.
Don't, the Yeti come out near the radio tower. It's....terrible
Just plug your Macbook into your TV with an HDMI cable ;)
I do, but it doesn't run Zwift in Ultra mode.
I’m considering upgrading my original Kickr and getting the Climb but will Trainerroad and Zwift add a gradient feature to power based workouts? How would that work? Thanks!
Already implemented for TrainerRoad.
support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/360008432051-KICKR-CLIMB
Chad McNeese Thank you!
Hi,
im looking for a nice Smart Trainer for the upcoming winter season.
Would you go with the Tacx Flux (550€) or the Wahoo Kickr Snap ( 600€)?
Keep up the good work! :)
I'm not sure of the € value.... Watch for the Kickr CORE due out shortly. That should be a game changer in the mid-range direct drive trainer space.
This will set me back a few 100 more. But I am very interested in your review!
Shane I deleted our conversion I think highly of you. Have a nice day
I am feeling the bike adjust upward for climbs and level off to a 0% grade on Zwift, but I don't feel the Climb drop when going into a downhill descent. Any suggestions?
Check firmware. Check trainer difficulty setting (that does impact the gradient!). Know that descents on Zwift are simulated by 1/2 of what is shown on screen. Contact Zwift Support if all those fail.
@@gplama Thanks....yes understood that the trainer difficulty setting adjusts the range. I've got it set so that I'm definitely feeling the inclines. Can you clarify that the descents are treated differently than climbs in Zwift? If I'm at 100% on the trainer difficulty setting, the descents will still be half of what is on screen but the climbs will be accurate???
@@LanceHomer1 Yes, that's as I understand it. Zwift Support should be able to confirm.
Hi Shane
Sorry if i've missed something but could you please tell me is the Zwift software controlling the Kickr Climb or the Kickr trainer ? Thanks.........Steve
At this point, the Kickr trainer.
Hi Shane..........Thanks for the quick reply. So.....forgetting the pivoting issue for the moment , do you know if other manufactures trainers will " talk " to the Climb ? Do you intend to test any regarding compatibility ? Thanks ...Steve
Compatibility doesn't appear to be on the radar of any company I've spoken to. That's how businesses work these days. It's up to them to innovate. CycleOps has made a play with their rocker-thing.
Thanks for the info Shane..........Much Appreciated. Cheers........Steve
And what about Wahoo RGT? Should I set it like for Zwift or not? My favorite setting for trainer difficulty is 80% all time, and ride only Wahoo RGT. Real wheelbase is 990mm.
Likely identical to Zwift in this regard.
Does anyone know how to zero the gradient out so it’s level? Is there a command or do you have to do it manually while having the fitness app out?
Double click the centre button.
Shane can I check something with you.
Should this fake wheelbase setting affect the power readings when in Workout mode?
Tonight I did my first workout whilst connected to the Climb; TD was 25% and wheelbase fudged to 4120mm. I blew up when trying to do a Sweetspot session - it felt crazy hard and I couldn’t figure out what the hell was going on.
So I’m wondering is this fake wheelbase setting could be affecting the Kickr Snap power readings (ie are they being under reported because of that setting, meaning I’m actually having to go a whole lot harder to hit the power numbers ERG mode is asking for??).
Any chance you could test this theory?
Absolutely love your stuff, btw!!
It should have zero impact on the wattage. Although I wouldn't rule out some crazy bug causing issues like this. More testing needed. I won't be able to get to this any time soon in the Lama Lab with the amount of things I have piled up.
@@gplama thanks a lot Shane. Been reading a lot about this and the fact that Climb won’t work in Zwift workout mode, even though it will in Sufferfest workouts. Zwift basically don’t want to know.
It would appear that the Wahoo app has updated, can’t see ‘wheelbase’ field anymore but there is a ‘wheel circumference’. Is that where you enter the custom wheelbase now?
No idea sorry. One for Wahoo Support.
All good, from what I can see here there should be a wheelbase option. Maybe it isn’t showing because I don’t have the Kickr Climb connected (on order). Will wait for it to arrive.
support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000156999-How-Do-I-Customize-the-CLIMB-to-My-Bike-s-Specifications-
Great video, but I couldn't help to be distracted by your extremely shiny shoes
Bit of a strange question. When riding on Zwift how do the downhill sections work while in sim mode. How is your speed calculated? Is it best to just free wheel and coast down or put in some extra watts to gain extra speed?
It’s all power based.
Rider weight plays a huge part, at 92kg I am one of the fastest! :) No pro can keep up with me on a Zwift descend.
Hi Shane, my question doesnt directly relate to this video, I hope you dont mind. Is it possible in any way to use Zwift without a "smart trainer" using a garmin cadence, heart rate monitor and speedo ? Im thinking not but a mate mentioned to me he thought it was now possible but obviously I wont have my power meter and have no way of Zwift increasing the intensity to suit the course.
Thanks in advance for any assistance .
Yes. See my Zwift on a Budget video for a basic setup: czcams.com/video/Eg0IDDmSStw/video.html
Thanks Shane, Will any "ant+" dongle work ? sorry not tech savy in the slightest im sure that is no surprise ! haha
Nope. IOS devices need the Wahoo/Garmin 30 pin ANT+ dongle (with a Lightening converter these days). They're not able to use USB ANT+ sticks. It's a legacy dongle... and the move towards Bluetooth means no company has made a smaller/Lightening ANT+ dongle.
Thanks again , at the present time im just intending to use my 3yr old macbook pro which still has the USB connections , so does this mean I dont have to use a 30pin ANT + dongle? so sorry for the silly questions
Mac and PC can use the USB ANT+ stick.
New Ultegra? Are you going to upload something about the upgrade? Nice video as always Shane!
That's a new Ultegra crankset (Watteam G3 DUAL). Not everything makes it here to CZcams for various reasons, typically time constraints.
I understand, the channel has been very active lately, congratulations on the content, you do miracles, even talking only about a crankset. Nice to see your channel
growing this way!
Thanks for the content.
That was a clever hack, thanks Shane.
I've been waiting for these to be released, just to keep indoor riding interesting. However I must admit I don't think the asking price is at all reasonable for what's inside these things and I may be sitting on my hands for a while. 800 Pacific Pesos for this? yeeaaa .... nah! Mind you, they ask 400 bucks for an upturned floor dryer, to I shouldn't be surprised :P
"upturned floor dryer" LOL! "Smart dryer" :)
Ha ha, check your Headwind video comments, I wasn't joking ;)
hahahahah! I had to release that one from the 'bad words' filter. Done. Brilliant! hahahah!
Am I wrong. Today You can't change the setting like You showed in this video. Only from Off-Max is valid to choose. No counting needed. I can't find more options on my setings. And it does it quite well. Am I wrong?
Trainer difficulty is still a setting within Zwift. I also assume wheel base is still a setting within the Wahoo app for Climb configuration.
This is a dumb question, and should probably be directed to the unboxing video.....will the Kickr Climb pair to any other smart trainer, or is it limited to Wahoo?
Yep. See my Kickr Climb videos. Kickr 17/18/SNAP2/CORE. The trainer needs pivoting rear clamps. These trainers do. It also needs to be compatible in firmware.
Not that I would expect it, but I was wondering about pairing say a Tacx and the Climb
Nope. Won't happen. That's just business. It's up to Tacx to make something similar/better/different.
Oh sure, that's only sensible. It would be a real job to make a "universal" climb module for aftermarket sales. I was just wondering ...thanks for the reply.
What to do when you have the difficulty on 100% yet the Climb still doesn't go down to the max -10% even when on long descents like Leith Hill?
Zwift 1/2s the descent simulation shown on screen. So it'll send -5% to the trainer (and in turn, the Climb). As far as I'm aware.
Shane Miller - GPLama So even at max difficulty, Zwift will still only go to -5% on a -10% descent? If so that’s whack AF! It has no problem going up, but I’d like it to be as realistic as possible. Pull some strings and have them make an update! 😉
@@brandonposer3026 You'll need to put in a support/feature ticket/request. That's what I have to do.
chad is a gigachad
What
Do people “cheat” in races by setting the difficulty to 0?
That has no impact on in game speed. It’s watts per kilo based.
I always have the trainer difficulty set to 100% to replicate the gradient as real as possible (I have a Tacx Flux)
So I don’t understand what advantage it could bring me to set it to 80% or less...
Can you explain me why you set it to 80%?
Lowering the difficulty simulates changing your cassette. Say your easiest gear on the back is a 25 tooth sprocket, you'll really struggle riding up to the radio tower on Zwift . Lowering the difficulty simulates you having a cog with more teeth. You still have to put out the same watts to climb at the same speed. Lowering the difficulty also allows you to still put out more power while riding down hill rather than spinning out. I find on my Hammer trainer that 100% makes climbs harder than the same gradient outside so the difficulty slider allows me to fine tune things.
1:51 I explain it. It makes life a little better than having to ride steep bergs I'm not training for.
Thanks for your answer!!
I have set up my trainer with a 11-28 cassette just like out on the road.
So when I don’t want to ride gradients I select a flat road on Zwift.
That adjustment would give me more possibilities
Thanks
Setting the difficulty and 80% in my opinion only makes you think you’re faster than you really are
@Darin, Then you simply don't understand how Zwift works.
really regretting my 2016 Wahoo Kickr purchase :O(
Flip it and upgrade to a CORE when they hit the shelves. Minimal switch over costs, and benefits! :)
Could you please confirm that the KICKR CLIMB doesn't work with Workouts? Meaning that it doesn't automatically go up or down resembling the gradient in the course while in Workouts. This is rather disappointing.
It doesn’t at this point, but that is totally on he software companies to make this integration happen in their workouts.
offtopic: im looking for a cycling computer that automaticly uploads to strava (well clicking a buton on my phone i dont mind i just dont want to connect to laptop etc.) and I want it as cheap as possible (sub 300) tx!
Look for a preowned Elemnt or Bolt
Shane Miller - GPLama ty
how about the new garmin-edge-explore?
Some bright cyclists out there
Hi Shane, I bought the climb but I'm only using Zwift to do workouts and I was disapointed to discover that the climb doesn't work while doing workouts :( Any word on zwift modificating this ?
Not sure what Zwift plan to do with this in the future. Ping them on their Support site and let them know you want it to do what it does in ERG :)
Just ride. Why screw around with easier? Like Eddy Merckx said - go ride your bike and don’t whine.
Mine NEVER WORKS!!!!!!
1st
Where's the part where you show us how to pair/setup?
This is what you’re looking for czcams.com/video/ImaSapOc9DA/video.html