Wahoo Kickr Climb - Tested, Raced, Reviewed | Game Changer for Zwift?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 27. 08. 2024
- The Wahoo Kickr Climb - Expensive luxury or fast track to realism? I tested it alongside the Kickr Bike using Zwift's best bumps!
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Worth a like and a sub just for the effort of getting that rig into the park for the thumbnail đ
hi mark love the content would you like to come on my above average podcast :)
Can we follow you on Strava?
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:) really well deserved one. You were cleaning your cave? :)
@5:23 âI donât know what itâs made from - looks pretty coolâ - Exactly the type of review I came here for đ
Thank you for your videos Mark.
I had a couple of nasty falls whilst riding few years ago and I gave up riding. After watching your videos Iâve bought a new bike and a wahoo kickr. Canât wait to get on Zwift and start riding again. đ
I'm in the same situation. But with Mark's videos, I'm inspired to get a wahoo climb + kickr. I don't think my wife will let me spend another $4K+ for more bike-related gear.
"This is becoming an anti-American video." As an American, I laughed so hard at that.
Go from across the pond đ
@@MarkLewisfitness Some of us shift our cars, but we definitely don't shift with our left hand ;)
Mark, I do enjoy your review videos as they provide a real world test of the equipment, rather than an analytical view on the technology itself. So much so in fact that, after your review and test of the Kickr Headwind, I went out and bought one myself AND I LOVE IT. I've only used it once so far, but I'm in the middle of a training block at the moment so it should improve my cooling as my previous fan was not ideal for the purpose.
Ah, gone are the days of shoving a couple of copies of the yellow pages under the front wheel!
When I upgraded from my kickr Snap with climb to the kickr bike, the one thing I missed was the climb. While the kickr bike is really nice and smooth when tilting, the climb unit seemed more 'alive' whereas the kickr bike is a bit too subtle imo. I wouldn't get rid of the kickr bike just for that, but I do wish the tilt function was more noticeable, but still very nice to have.
Love the very scientific explanation, you have really looked in to this, however all we really want to know is, 1. Did you fall off after a session, and 2. Where is Nixon? I bloody love that dog! Love your content xxxxx
1. No 2. Heâs in training for a bunch of races in DecemberâŠ. Stay tuned đ
Another great video Mark . Used to love my Kickr Climb, but after killing 2 Kickr climbs and Wahoo replaced with a third climb , fantastic customer support from Wahoo. I didn't felt it fair if I broke the third climb, so sold it and bought the Kickr Bike, absolutely love it. Will be interesting to see how you get on with it over the next couple of months especially riding up the Alpe. Mine two climbs died after just doing just over 100 Alpe climbs each ! đ± Yes mad I no ! The Kickr Bike has been faultless though after achieving 380+ Alpe climbs up to now .đ
I was looking at one, at ÂŁ500+ it's a huge investment. Did you find the experience of using one worth while?
I rarely notice the climb is on but it's still nice to have. The wahoo fan makes a big difference imo.
Yep! I have the Climb as well, and totally love it. with the 2nd generation Kickr.
Great video. I find your idea of increasing the wheelbase to change the climb percentage to be brilliant!
Loving the channel. Keep up the great work.
I've been binge watching your channel, not in chronology order. Would love to see a video, maybe you can make it a series, on how you've upgraded your workout/exercise gear over the years. What did you do with the old stuff? As in is it worth starting with the basics, selling them and upgrading or is it more of a hassle and just best to go with the pro/more expensive items from the gate?
"well this is turning into an anti american video you don't shift with your left hands" ! had me dead!!! love this guy keep up the amazing work and inspiration for everyone else out here!!
kickr and climb for full indoor outdoor experience for someone getting into cycling (For the price they can get a decent aftermarket bike along with trainer/climb) or for someone who already owns a bike. Of course If money is not an issue getting one or the other or both is a personal choice.
Kudos to Elite who made a similar thing to the kickr climb but embedded it with software that overcomes that trainer difficulty setting and gives you 100% of the grade regardless of the difficulty setting one has.
Lol, counterstrike, 20 years later I still play it!
ha! I don't think I've seen it in 20 years đ€Ł
3:40 that's a funny way to say "I forgot to put my tools back in their place" :)
Poor parenting 101 - when all your knives are missing, just worry about how you're going to open your box đ
Hi Mark,
When you speak to a Wahoo-rep again, say thank you for me !
Thx.
Personal experience with the Kickr Climb:
I have had a back operation which has sidelined me, more or less for a year during which i could not push harder than about 200 Watts. I had to build back nearly all strength in my lower back which was a huge pain in the neck ! When you are on the bike, the muscles in your lower back work harder when you push more Watts. AND my stability was nearly gone as well which prevented me from standing on the pedals for a long time.
A year later, i am nearly fully on track again, at about 75% and improving quite fast now. This summer i have been on several of the highest Dolomites in Italy, like the Stelvio and the Gavia. Something i could not have imagined 6 months ago.
One of the tools that was a TREMENDOUS help in training and recovery is, and will be, is the Kickr Climb.
It is not a gimmick or a toy. It actually helps strengthening your lower back. Build stability and helps you adjust your posture before you are going to the mountains. In previous years i had in the first few days muscle aches and a fatigued lower back due to the angle in which you are sitting on your bike during a climb.
All that is over now. My back is VERY happy again and when i do a climb now, which takes over an hour, which is normal for a serious climb, my back is no longer fatigued and my balance is better than ever. Standing on the pedals is better than ever. As soon as i arrive in the mountains, i am adjusted for them. And that is a HUGE plus when you live in the flattest country in the world !!
So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH WAHOO for getting me back on track in 'no time' !
Awesome to hear. Nice to hear the real world benefits of it beyond being a toy to play with in the pain care đ. Makes me want to come ride some mountains đ
There are events on the Stelvio every weekend. It is AWESOME, just to be there. I was surprised by the huge number of Americans. Quite friendly ones as well actually đ. If there is anyway you can, you definitely should come to Europe for some of the most epic and famous climbs in the world ! Even if itâs just once in your life. đđŒ
This is very interesting to me. I am seeing a back pain specialist because I have arthritis and herniated discs. They are about to begin a multi-step procedure of injections and ablations to help with the pain. I'm thinking the Climb may help me build up core strength to alleviate some of the pain I'm experiencing. Maybe I'll pick one up in spring after we've moved. I know one thing for sure, I can't stand up and pedal right now, it's too awkward. Perhaps the climb may help with that as well.
Funnily, I got served a Peloton ad just now while watching this video.
Great vid Mark.
People often overlook the importance of your front and back end talking to each other. đđ
Excessive focus on just the middle can be a disaster đ
Yay for Byker Grove reference.
Upvoting just for Serge. With a tweest of lemon.
"i make it myself......itz gooood" đ
iâm not technical at all but this video was awesome and easy to understand. Thank you!!!!
I'm late to joining zwift. Love your cervelo bike . Your videos are very helpful for a newcomer like myself. Great job.
Climb is a game changer if you climb a lot
Love your videos, watching them has changed my view on a lot of things. What training plan did you use during your 500 days of indoor training? Cheers
Can't do Titan's Grove now without expecting to see Ant & Dec popping up. Cheers! Not unsurprising that the climb feels more natural. Any climb or descent IRL would be felt first on the front end fractionally before the back. Used the Kickr18 for a few years now. Tempted by the climb more than the Sterzo.
I have now got letâs get ready to Rumble stuck in my head đ
Excellent perspective and entertaining as usual. I was hoping to see how it moves when you sprint but you didn't show that. How stable was it during one of your all out efforts?
Pro tip: Put a spacer in your disc brake so you cannot accidently squeeze your pads together.
Really interesting review and comparison!
Glad you understood trainer difficulty ;)
Another great video and perfect little movie clips. Its getting to the point these days that i am going to have to update my electrics if i have to plug another device in just to ride indoors. Interested to see if the climb affects your sprinting at all in terms of stability.
My dad is a retired electrician-he is now about 120 years old but I refuse to let him die as I have a constant need for more wiring in the garage đ
Great video. Helps me out on my next purchase. I'm torn between getting the Rizer to go with my Suito or selling the Suito and putting that towards the Kickr KOM bundle. I miss the heavier flywheel of my 1st Gen Kickr
LOVE YOUR FITTED T-SHIRTS... when are you producing to sell? "Above Average" and logo sound awesomne,.... cashinnnnnn $$$$$$$$đ
Thanks!
đ đ đ Thank you!
Love you vids mark đ
For this Yank, I got your manual transmission joke. In fact, it brings back bad memories of that 5 speed 2003 Jaguar X-Type that we should never have bought for our son to learn how to drive.
Ha! Jag x type was when Jag turned into Ford overnight đ
Watched this on my new iPhone 13 Pro Max, twinning!
Ha, same colour same case too
Replying on mine. iPhone buddies đ
Best toy ever!
Great video as always. Had my kickr bike about 2 weeks, came from the tacx Neo. .
Love the bike, slight downside for me is the slight free play In the tilt function, no problem when going up but because the tilt is in the centre when you are descending your weight is forward of the pivot point and I can feel that free play and it's somewhat annoying. Noticed it big yesterday on Ven-Top, great on the way up but coming down which I was using as a cool down spinning at 125W I could feel it badly and I the end I turned off the tilt. I know the play is normal but I assume you don't get that other kickr climb because the movement is at the front and your weight is still behind it?if that makes any sense
I see the Penguin on the remote Batmobile every time he shows the first kickr moving........
Thanks Mark. You got me realized that I could change the difficulty setting of m'y trainer without cheating. Gotta try Alpe with a lower setting than 100%
Yes! Itâs just like riding with a better geared bike!
@@MarkLewisfitness Hello Mark, just put online my third climb of alpe, which was motivated by testing a difficulty of about 40% instead of 100%... well it did go as expected but I'll try again soon . Greetings !
Just get it all and leave the kids Christmas presents for father Christmas to bring them đđ
Is it really true that real life pivots under the bottom bracket? Surely as you reach an IRL hill the front wheel experiences the slope before the real wheel and therefore the bike does pivot on the rear hub? Not sure, my A-level physics isnât good enough
Awesome video!đđ
I wish the Kicker Climb also supported steering like the Elite Rizer.
I have that kit for 2 years now.
Havenât scrolled down but I believe your math to be wrong. The relationship between wheelbase and slope is not linear. Slope is defined as rise over run. Take a couple of examples say 20% vs 10% climb and calculating the hypotenuse (wheelbase) for each and it illustrates this. BUT for intensive purposes itâs close enough. Sayinâ for a friend.
You lost me at "math" đ€Ł. But I'm sure you are right!
Love the Channel Mark. Keep it up mate.
If you think about it, a bike that pivots in the centre and not actually doing what the real world does. All road bikes will pivot on the back will, so in my opinion the climb gives a more realistic feel for gradient.
Anyways, I looked for you on Zwift but all Other Mark Lewisâ where mere mortals and I couldnât find you, whatâs your Zwift ID mate so I can follow?
Zwift ID is Mark Lewis CZcamsr đ
@@MarkLewisfitness done. Good man, keep up the content mate, all enjoyable.
Kickr v5 + kickr climb = đđđđđđđđđđ
Thanks for the real world rewiev! Time to butter up Santa...đđ đ
I must go through too many movie clips every day because all I can think of now is Last Tango in Paris đ€Ł
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It just seems shaky to me, the front wheel movement (left/right). Is the only thing I dislike when riding indoors. Of course I use a triangular front wheel block to take care of that. Have you tried a full out splint on it yet, curious to see what you think after a few races. Good stuff
16:10 You mention you like to get the bike moving underneath you. Would putting this whole setup on the rocking plate work? I imagine you'd have to anchor both parts to the plate so they don't slide around, but it would mean the whole setup moves as one, like the bike would?
Yep. Some people do do this
American here. I do drive a manual car, but I can confirm that I have no idea what "byker grove" is
Itâs our version of Beverly Hills 90210 đ
"I don't ride a real bike" he says with many bikes in the background.
All E-Bikes, not real bikes lol
I couldnât figure out which watch you were wearing !
Ha! I have a few options đ. In this video I think I wore the Garmin Fenix 6x pro, a Seiko Arnie on a nato strap and a GShock Frogman Rainbow Toad. My watch collection might need its own video đ
I'm curious on how much this indoor cycling setup costs, seems very dope
The trainer is 1100 usd + 500usd for the climb.
peloton bike! đ Might as well but a fitbit to go with it..
There goes my Peloton and fitbit sponsorshipđ
Did you connect your Controllable via ANT+ or Bluetooth? Since switching to ANT+ I've noticed that my trainer changes resistance a little late compared to when the gradient changes on the screen so I'm guessing it might be the same for the Wahoo Climb?
Wow, great video. Thanks man! - What I wonder: How do you get so much cool stuff? :) I mean how do you finance it? đ
Worked hard đ
I have a NEO tacx 2 .. I moving to the bike as where it is nice if you have a permanent bike to leave on it I been doing Zwift long enough that the full kickr bike is a no brainer as yeah I don't want to wear out and need to fine tune my bike on the trainer ... Was why I kept my old bike that is street retired on it but yeah I still destroy bits of it with sweat as yeah I am 104kg as well and yeah I sweat ...
Would have been good to see this on a Sprint as honestly with how hard you put down the watts... I be freaked of this tipping over
Still not a big diff for me as my neo it is not recommended with using climb with it so yeah for all the bits I want the kickr bike is the only way for me
hey Mark, nice to see you use quality chamois cream #overshare
That stuff is awesome đ
"Kids in your tools." How'd they get out the locked basement?
Poster on the wall and a rock hammer. đ
Hey Mark, I have the Kickr bike and absolutely love it. It is being replaced because of a mechanical issue and I've been debating on getting a KIckr with the climb for a while to actually practice on my actual tt/tri bike a couple times a week. Would you recommend having both if you can afford it? Thanks and your videos are great!
If you have the budget âŠ. 100%. I now use the kicker bike for racing and intervals and the trainer (plus climb) for my long steady pace weekend rides where I need to get used to sitting in an aero position.
jeez - are u the sultan of brunei ? or do you own a money printing machine ?
@@biglampar556 listen at school, work hard when you leave. Sorted đ
@@MarkLewisfitness Thanks so much for your input! Between you, Shane Miller (GPLama), and John at Wahoo customer I'm sold on their products!
@@biglampar556 I'm Batman!
what is the tilt????? i have the wahoo kickr but dont know about tilt
What frame/bike is attached to the climb?
Cervelo P3X
@@MarkLewisfitness thanks man. It looks sick.
ha ah love it-----"I'll weight it" (then thinks for a sec - far to much hassle fuck that, I'll look it up)
Bit of a random question for you Mark, or really anyone else who is the same height and weight as us.
Which bib shorts do you use and do you recommend them?
Iâve tried several but havenât yet found the perfect fit. For context I have had a bike fit and tried a few different saddles. Cheers!
I wear large casteli stuff and seems to be ok for me
Gaming channel when? đ
Byker Grove đđđ
Hi Mark. Great and enjoyable video once again.
Question: now you have used both type of set ups, do you think that when racing on Zwift, you would be able to do a full on, full gas sprint while using the Kickr Climb set up with confidence? Like you clearly do when sprinting on the actual Kickr Bike which as youâve said, has a very stable base. Just out of curiosity really. Thanks in advance and keep up the fantastic work đđ».
No. I could sprint real hard, but the combination of narrow footprint and my TT bike means kickr bike is better for that
does the fan operate any differently to a normal fan in front of you???
Yes - it monitors my heart rate and increases or decreases flow rate accordingly. It can also do the same using bike speed as a measurement.
It does seem abit unstable when you would sprint max. Thoughts?
I think itâs ok. Donât forget Iâm 6ft6 210 so look a bit bigger on it than a regular size human. Youâd have to really thrash about to encounter a problem BUT there is no doubt the kickr bike is more stable with a wider footprint.
Contact area looks bigger than a normal bike tyre, so I don't expect there'd be much of a problem. Possibly a little less stable if you're sprinting up a 15% incline as the lever is longer, but most of the stability comes from the trainer at the back.
@@DarenC That's a good point. It just seems 'wobbly' for a 500 euro piece. But with that said, great equipment. Sprinting is for outside anyway in my situation
Why have you got a Cervelo p3x when you're only staring triathlons next year? That's one hell of a bike for an entry level triathlete!
it looked cool!
@@MarkLewisfitness you've got that right đ
what size is your TV in the garage?
55"
Gears of War, CounterStrike đ đ đ đ
Word of caution - if the belt breaks in it you will be immediately dropped on the floor. I've heard of this happening to 3 different people and it's the reason why I won't buy one. The failure mode in this product is outright dangerous and the product should be redesigned
Save your money
Zwift is about motivation to exercise or train
It is not particularly realistic compared to outdoors except for the physical effort
The same training results could be achieved with a more simple setup
Ha, blast fro the past, Biker biker biker grove... yeah!
Can we follow you on Strava as well?
Unfortunately, donât use it for security reasons âčïž
Csgo. Shit graphics, yet so good
The size of your screen đ€Ł
I couldn't fit a bigger one in theređ€Ł
I don't like these activables in zwift.
ÂŁ3000?? You can buy a bike for that! :-D
I canât. đ
another thing to note is that wahoo purposely get you to connect to trainer so you have to fucking use their trainer - just a thought
I was gonna get a peloton too expensive so I bought a stryde . Having a realistic bike simulation is awesome but I will have. Abike as good as peloton with fancy screen for 1600 who wouldn't buy a stryde .if I bought a bike over 3 grand my dad would throw me out the house and wack me with the bike
Because climbing the alpe at 100% setting on the kickr bike doesnt engage different muscles in your legs âŠ. Its a pity some people just dont get it
Please explain?