Hummel: When the Gun is writing Checks the Chassis can't Cash
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2021
- A look at the "Hummel" or properly schwere Feldhaubitze 18/1 auf Panzerkampfwagen III/IV (Selbstfahrlafette) of the Panzermuseum Munster. This was a self-propelled artillery that was mainly used in German Panzer-Divisions from 1943 onwards. We look at the development history, experience reports, strength and weaknesses, etc.
Disclaimer: I was invited by the Panzermuseum Munster in 2020.
English Channel of the Panzermuseum: / germantankmuseum
German Channel of the Panzermuseum: / daspanzermuseum
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Fleischer, Wolfgang; Eiermann, Richard: Die motorisierte Artillerie und Panzerartillerie des deutschen Heeres. 1939-1945. Dörfler Verlag: Eggolsheim, Germany, o. J.
Doyle, David: Hummel and Nashorn/Hornisse: German Self-propelled Artillery in World War II. Schiffer Publishing: Atglen, PA, USA, 2020.
BArch, RH 8/1680: Erfahrungsbericht der II. Abt. Art.Rgt. 63 über s.F.H. 18/1 (Sfl.) "Hummel" Januar, 1944.
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Keep up the good work, mein Herr!
A self propelled howitzer's load capacity helps for a hasty or hip shoot but that's about it. By the time you get the gun laid in and zeroed the ammo browser can be in postion so it doesn't really help to have on board ammo. It does however reduced the need for resupply.
@@frogsgottalent1106 The Germans have pride or else there wouldn't even be Germany today, for better or for worse, it is what it is.
@@frogsgottalent1106 what is it about frogs and fascists. Some edgy far right meme? I bet if Hitler was telling you to wear a maak you'd wear a mask. Nazis. I hate Nazis.
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But can you please make a video on Skanderbeg?
"You were expecting the Panzers' greatest enemy to be the red army, but it was me, the final drive."
Nice, love the JoJo reference
You take that back !!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Being a kid: 2 minute conversations about MG42.
Being a man: 2 hour conversations about Artillery.
Criminally underrated comment
Being an old man: 2 day conversation on logistics
@@justinwilliams2000 very true
@@justinwilliams2000 hahaha thiiiis
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface hahaha thiiis
The rallying call for us all: "Hello everyone, we are at the PanzerMuseum Munster" I'd love to visit one day.
Its great. Nothing more to say.
there is usually a tank festival like in bovington. it´s called stahl auf der heide, i was 19 there.. it´s amazing, i mean the museum and the show too! Most exiting thinks to me were: goliath, t34-85, sturmtiger, king tiger, jagdpanther, Jagdpanzer 4/hetzer, stealth Leopard, m109 and the plastik tiger and 88mm gun.
I lived in Berlin for 6 months last year.
Sadly the Pandemic prevented me from traveling to Munster as the Museum was closed for the duration of my stay in Germany.
One day soon Neil, I'll be retired, and we plan to tour a lot of Europe in a camper van or with a caravan, and this is on the agenda!
@@janderfuchs3843 Is that a driving/working Sturmtiger?!
“A ‘panzerstein’ monster”
I’m wheezing
haha right? that was so god damn good.
Yep, I love the little fun jokes he throws into nearly all his videos, but cough & you'll miss them - mostly delivered as dry as a desert. 😊
I had a final drive explode during maneuvers in Kuwait. The spinning drive shaft ripped a hole in the floor beneath my feet and ripped out the wiring harness. We were down for months (which got me out of a lot of field exercises).
Were you okay, like did your boots save you, was it a near miss, any shrapnel from the floor flying it was it more of a peeling tear?
@@sachyriel thankfully we were going down a hill and was “coasting” as much as you can in a tracked vehicle. My foot was on a small footrest so thankfully it just shredded the floor underneath. I heard the pop over the engine and the CVC helmet and the TC yelling at me to stop. I pulled one tiller (I was driving a M113A2) and we turned slightly right. I pulled the left one and nothing happened, so I knew the link between the left final drive and the differential was severed. We rolled to a halt and then I got out to look at the damage. When I opened the hatch I saw metal shards everywhere and that’s when I noticed the hole in the floor. The top gear in the final drive had exploded, spraying oil all over the compartment. We had to get towed back into the FOB where I sat playing PS2 for a few months while supply tried to find a wiring harness in Germany to ship. And of course a new final drive.
Good old aluminum hulls. Popped open like a tab on a beer can. : ) Glad to hear none of your crew were injured.
@@justinwilliams2000 nice to see the us military is just as incompetent
@@GuinessOriginal it was a motor pool draw from the depot in Kuwait City, which had been there since the Gulf War. I had to leave our normal vehicle back in the US.
Ah the self-propelled gun that siezed control of Alcatraz Island and threatened to use chemical weapons on San Francisco before being stopped by Sean Connery and a plucky Nic Cage.
Oh man, apparently I don't remember nearly as much of The Rock as I thought and need to rewatch it ASAP.... that one and ConAir... SO good.
😂 🤣 It also reworked Arlington when it dropped off its medal of honor
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Could you clarify something for me please and that is something I have heard about the difference in degrees when it comes to armor like the germans would give it one number and so with other countries, it could be that I've confused myself so please clarify?
@@robertcolajezzi5273 Your wording allows for several interpretations, are you talking about the inclination (slope) of armour? The model series designation? What do you mean?
@@MrZauberelefant I think what I was trying to get at was supposedly for example the slope of the armor like one country would say it's such and such degrees while another country would give it another number for the same angle just wanted clarification or I probably just confused myself or something like that and thank you for replying
Can you make a video on the importance that captured tanks played in the German armies and others in general during WWII? Thanks!
great idea, that would be a very interesting topic
That might be covered in the Beutewaffen episode about recovered weapons
I would love to know about how the captured french tanks seen in footage of the battle of paris were used, captured tanks is a very interesting topic.
@@BiggestCorvid Link?
@@HarrisonGoldfarb check his beutwaffe playlist...it's good
I find it interesting the Hummel suffered from so many mechanical failures because German reports that I've read about the Nashorn (despite being nearly identical in design and weight) indicate that it was one of the more mechanically reliable AFV in the Pazerwaffe.
Interesting, 2 likely points 150mm was likely heavier than the 88 and/or recoil, second training the artillery guys switched from towed to self-propelled, the Panzerjäger likely from Marder etc. To Nashorn.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Makes sense!
Another thing was angle since most artillery went past 20-40 degress quite a lot for fire missions while AT was mostly flat shooting. So all the recoil was down and through the chassie with the Hummel.
@@ChrisS-fh7zt Yeah, I suspect that the 15cm sFH18's recoil was probably pretty severe, and as you say the force was directed in an oblique angle so there was likely extra stress put on the drivetrain.
Hitler forbade it being called _"bumblebee"_ see kids I told you he was a mean old killjoy.
After hearing this I lost all respect for that man
Transpanzers! RPBOTS IN DESGUISE!
Despite its flaws, its nice to have some heavy arty with your armor when you run into infantry.
Oh boy, it's better if you have it.
Better than nothing
I remember loving the Hummel when I was playing the old Avalon Hill game Panzer Blitz, way back in the early 80s. She was a monster on the battle field.
Ah yes,Hummel's and wesps,,, and the rat patrol,that thirteen moving Brit jeep lol.
@@robertwokosin1293- wow. I had forgotten about the Rat Patrol. Sweat mother of God, that was more than 40 years ago the last time I saw that show.
@@Abby_Normal_1969 thank you , for reminding me about an old favorite. That jeep always seemed to have just enough reach to make the difference. Lol
I have always enjoyed learning about SPGs like the Hummel and Priest, but my favourite SPG is definitely the Willys Jeep, armed with a recoiless rifle!
Why not m113 with Davy crockett
Ah yes, almost as quick as the regrets of the engineers who had to explain why this Wunderwaffe is flawed.
Uberwunderwagon*...? =)
Fast, Cheap, Effective. Pick any two.
@@JimFortune sounds like my kind of lady.
I didn't know that about the III/IV background. I counted 8 road wheels, I assumed IV.
I need to praise you for associating your channel closely with the Panzermuseum.
Being aligned with a professional museum legitimizes your content as an educational resource.
It's an important part of making sure you recieve due credit for all your research and use of first-hand sources.
As a model builder, I found this video quite helpful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Your English pronounciation has improved a great deal. I never had it easy when trying to figure out the South-German & Austrian dialects. I can understand the northern German dialects fairly easily (I only know Finnish & Finnish dialect of Swedish & English), but the southern German dialects are truly hard for me.
I'm a Brit from South England. I've never had a problem understanding MHV. It's like an ascended English accent somehow.
and for this Ami, although I am enjoying the adjustments to my universal translator. ;-)
@@neilwilson5785 Yes, yes, yes. But as English is my 3rd language, it isn't that easy understanding different dialects. My worst experiences in this have been when trying to understand some English people!
dont worry, southern dialects are hard to understand for other germans, too :)
@@swideru7469 the museum is in munster, not münster. but yes, munster is rather up in the north.
thing is, MHV isnt from around munster but from the south, so yeah :)
This video is very well produced.
I enjoyed it.
Thank you.
Excellent video! Thank You, Bernhard!
I love your deep dives into German WW2 history. It's really enlightening, considering what sources have been considered in the western world over the last 80 odd years.
@@AKUJIVALDO Stating facts is not craping (even if you don't like those facts).
@@AKUJIVALDO Giving example of smaller caliber SPGs is very relevant to show the role of strategy differences. And the video is not even comparing abilities of SPGs from different countries, so I really don't see any bias here. This is my conclusion. Yours is different, but we both have them based on the same facts. So perhaps we are biased, not the video/facts?
@@watcherit1311 It's like comparing CV manufacturing between Japan and the USA throughout WW2. It's not a condemnation of Japan's moral fiber. It highlights the difference of manufacturing capacity and the logistical impacts.
Don't feed the Wehraboos after midnight. They're a bit like gremlins.
@@AKUJIVALDO What Panzerhaubitze 2000? If you're confusing 2 SPA pieces that were made more than 50 years apart it's hard to take you seriously.
> US didn't made much of 155mm SPA pieces
The thousands of M12 GMC, M40 GMC, and M41 HMC that were produced say different.
Extra great video. Thank you, you deserve many more subscribers
Another nice Video from my favourit museum. Quite an intersting vehicle. You really must have stayed there a while, whit all the Videos you put out so far :)
A very strong video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
Well researched & spoken! Thank you!
Excellent peek into the real world of German armament at the time. Many kudos!
Excellent as always
Lol, I used to pronounce "Hummel" incorrectly all my life.
I have a complete book set on words that I pronounce incorrectly ;)
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized that is just a german - austrian dictionary ;)
If you pronounced it like I think you did, that would make it an (ex)male sheep in german...just saying ;-)
I love the top gun quote .. Hummel, your 150mm gun is writing cheques your chassis can’t cash!
Vey nice and informative. takes me back to my Panzer Blitz days!
This is the best channel ..
Cool to put a person to the voice.
That title is such a good way of putting it
0:08 I love it when you speak long german words, please do it more often. :D
Reminds me of the "Elephant". Another self propelled howitzer that was too big and when damaged, left in the field.
The production numbers seem to be in line with primary & secondary American sources. In the MTO & ETO American field artillery units used a large number of light & medium self propelled guns at the divisional level, but were very dependent on towed guns for the larger calibers(155mm, 203mm & 240mm). While most American formations(Divisional & smaller) were heavily motorized/mechanized, even these units at corps level & higher were supported by towed gun carriages rather than with self propelled guns.
This is one of my favorite WW2 Vehicles
Nicely done
I always liked the Hummel despite its shortcomings. A few fixes and it would've been a great friend of the infantry and armor in the attack.
A splendid looking machine indeed!
geil dass du so viel mit dem dpm machst :)
Good episode. I hope you get around to the 105mm leichte Feldhaubitze 18/1 L/28 auf Waffenträger Geschützwagen IVb (Heuschrecke 10) which is the vehicle was the vehicle proposed to replace the Wespe and which at least reached the prototype stage. The replacement for the Hummel never left the drawing board.
Just caught this one. Nice work. It just goes to show; without the proper training and logistical support, even the best weapon systems will fail to live up their potential.
Very informative thank you 😊
The hummel makes huge blasts in company of heroes.
Great video, thanks!
2:19 The consonants in Msta are sort of congested together, and the stress is put on A, somewhat like /mst-uh/.
I loved the Hummel in the old Panzer General games. Totally different from the real war but it always was my favourite choice for artillery.
Have you given thought to planning a trip to Ft. Benning to tour/review the Army Armor and Armored Cavalry collection?
The fort Benning collection is awful. So many weapons poorly conserved and rising away. Kubinka is a stark contrast.
Not sure how many I miss, but when I pick up on a perceived subtle visual joke, I always enjoy it. Likely pronounced "2S19 Msta", is it?
The chassis is also wider then pz iv. It has the same width as pz iii due to the use of the pziii drive train.
There's a little difference in the intended usage by different countries. If I am correct, Hummel and Wespe were designed from the outset as indirect fire field artillery. The US M12 was designed for direct fire "bunker busting." The M7 was designed for indirect fire, but records show that it was used as an "assault gun" for direct infantry assault, a role for which it was not intended. I'd also like to throw out the Italian Semovente 149/40 as another equivalent vehicle, as well as the British Bishop. And don't forget about the Soviet SU-5 and SU-26, although these were produced in small quantities.
Wut? Have you seen a bloody M12? How is that designed for anything other than indirect fire? (Yes I know what they did with them at Aachen. Not exactly what they were designed for.)
How is the M12, with zero armor for the crew (not even frontal cover like with the M7), and a rear plate that had to be dropped to fire, designed for direct fire?
Bishop was basically a stopgap solution. Soon passed over (with good reason) for Priest and Sexton.
@@hailexiao2770 M12 was a small production run and then languished as a training vehicle until it was decided to overhaul some and send to Europe. Chamberlain and Ellis note it was intended for long range bombardment.
If my memory serves me right,the Hummel's lower hull is actually as wide as a regular Pz III's lower hull (which is wider than a Pz IV's LH) but also longer than a regular Pz IV LH. This also contributes to the nomination of the vehicle.
“Panzerstein monster”
Love it!
Even though the US may not have a lot of large SP artillery, I would like to see how much large towed artillery there was. Plus the US had a large amount of "flying artillery".
Seems to me that despite its shortcomings the competition wasn't even in the ballpark. The M12 & M40 weren't even in the same league. The Hummel was clearly the best 15 cm SP howitzer going (not including infantry guns of the Grille type). That said, maybe the one fellow was right, the Panther chasis might have been better. Still, I'm a Hummel fan.
Thanks mate I wanna model one now! Hmmm Dragon it Tamiya??
Injury to the carriage could be caused by the lack of a recoil spade. Barrel failure could be due to the material of construction, flaw in manufacturing or misloading the piece (ie gap between propellant charge and projo) in addition to wear.
Awwwww yeah, long-ass German words less than 30 seconds into the video. Instant like!
I love the phrase "Panzerstein".
Very interesting, I was unaware that these existed. I thought Hummel were ceramic figurines
I just wish they were ceramic figurines of tanks and aircraft - I would have collected those instantly.
I don't think I heard of those ceramic figurines.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized 😉
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummel_figurines
Haven't you ever played _Panzer General?_
"Always train your crews."
Back in the day, me and my buddies would play Panzer Blitz and Squad leader by Avalon Hill. The first time we saw the name Hummel we nearly lost our minds laughing. The big bad Wehermacht used, what we thought, was an hilarious name.
Ah yes, Squad Leader, Avalon Hill. Those were the days.
Two of the greatest WW2 board games.
The title have become funnier the Military history has.
I guess if something similar was developed today, then it would have some sort of trail or stabilising arms that would (in favourable conditions) be deployed before firing the gun, to use the ground to absorb recoil.
Hummels definitely wasn’t big enough tonight
I see what you did here
Talking about germany vs england ?
I wonder if using a drive sprocket and final drive from the Panzer IV would have been better or worse than the Panzer III J parts that they actually used.
Probably not. Both the Pz III and IV started life as 18 ton tanks so both would have been overloaded to a similar degree.
I frequently use the hummel on rise of nations pc game (ww2 mod)
All tank are a maintenance nightmare no matter how well engineered. I don't miss being in armor. I prefer reading and watching movies about them LOL
Huh, that’s a pretty good name for a tank.
Hank Hummel is one fine name! Robert Hummel aproves!
Does anyone know what Infographics app he is using for his videos?
Todays MotoGP bikes have more horsepower than the Hummel
Looks like the Panzerhaubitze 2000
Lots of great information, but I was not convinced that the chassis was fatally overburdened. It seemed that most of the failures described were not due to fundamental flaws in the machine, but rather to operation by untrained or undertrained troops.
This hull and the one of the wespe had a Big sloped front with a little driver hutt, resulting in only a little "weak" point, why didnt the germans make such a designe on other tanks as well? (with thicker armor).
Kinda fun watching this as I drive my Hummel in World of Tanks
Now we need a comparison, including problems, with towed (horses or tractors) artillery. When it rains or snows the compartment gets soaked... The comrades with the horses would laugh (Hummel ca800 others ca7400 total Produktion. max stock ca 3000 44/45)
Really good video friend it's very interesting to learn about the stuff usd bey the Germans during the war and also I got a question for you I noticed in a video you did a while ago you had a chan sword in it so do you know 40k and if so what is your favorite faction in it mine is the Imperial Guard so all in all great video friend as always.
So the lack of proper training for the Hummel's crew was a major handicap for the best use of the weapon. If the Heer was in urgent need of a self-propelled gun, this case resulted nearly in a fiasco!
Why Hitler forbid the name, did he really bothered with trivialities like naming a vehicles? Would love to see vid about M7 Priest in the future if possible, keep rocking Bernhard.
👍👍👏
I do recall that they were not equipped with small arms to fend off infantrymen attacks! Right?
That sounds like a Kitchen Nightmares title
I bet wehraboos do not like this content. Great videos especially when they lost the flaws in german armor.
What is "wehraboos" a german word for Halloween?
Everybody is Hummeling - dum dududu dum dum
Calling it the Hummel for brevity and sanity AND because doing what Hitler hated feels so SATISFYING.
Also i like Hummeln... Bumblebees, the actual ones.
Plus i have to check what "brevity" means. Interesting term, first i ever hear it. It means pretty much "in short".
They, maybe lost the first one, and maybe the second one as well, but fuck me if they can't do amazing guns and tanks!
Could you do one with the Nashorn at somepoint please? It's quite a rare vehicle to get any sort of information on compared to the Hummel I think it's interesting who people say it's built on a panzer 4 chassis / hull but it must have been a new production hull or a panzer 3 hull that we know they cut the rear end off of to make the casemate fighting compartment but if you put a panzer 4 next to them you'll notice there the same width as a panzer 3! So they must have just took the sisl from the panzer 4 and put it on the lengthend panzer 3 narrower hull! They used the final drive from panzer 3 and gear box this is just the research I've found out that it's not actually a panzer 4 hull it's a lengthend panzer 3
Exactly the same chassis as the Hummel.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yes I know it's exactly the same but a totally different machine! Trying to find anything about it like walk arounds for inside the fighting compartment etc it's just cause I'm an Armour modeller I build alot of high accuracy model's for when the war and peace shows and ipms model shows for competitions and for people to enjoy the dioramas! I'm building the Nashorn production variant just now it seems to be the easiest one to find anything about but the early 164 hornisse to a late mod production model etc it's just not an SP that there's much information for research!
@@AFV85 there should be something soon on the Nashorn, might be "only" on my second channel though.
its interesting to see that really only the germans and americans made a lot if different self propelled artillery as far as i can remember. weird to see the soviets nor the british made many models.
I have the opposite problem, gun too small for my chassis...
Last time I was this early the British hadn't peaced out of France yet.
Last time I was this early Germany hadn’t lost to England in a knockout round of a football tournament
What about Sexton production, 2150 produced in Montreal 1944-45, 25 lbr gun on Ram and later Grizzly, chassis
> What about Sexton production, 2150 produced in Montreal 1944-45, 25 lbr gun on Ram and later Grizzly, chassis
25 pounder has 88mm, so a quite different.
It might make some sense to bring the Sexton up in the Wespe video. Since the Wespe had 105mm, but then again this was the same caliber as the Priest.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Yes good point. Hummel had a much bigger gun....
I am sure someone in the Wehrmacht must have said, around 1939, that wouldn't it be wise to make all the Panzerwaffe's vehicles based off the same Panzer chassis? They had all these plans to have self-propelled guns, support-fire and anti-tank tanks, and everything, and yet every one had its own chassis with just enough differences between them to compromise, if not outright make impossible, the interchangeability of parts. It is almost a shock that someone managed to get the Panzer III and Panzer IV to share the same engine after a while.
I know the Nashorn started with the name Hornisse but I'm surprised they didn't give the name to the Hummel. To go from a wasp to a bumblebee is a bit of a step down considering the increase in hitting power. Hummel should have been called Hornisse and the Nashorn should have been called Volgelspinne Falke.
In the early version of A/H's Panzer Blitz the Wespe amd the Hummel are Gods of the Battlefield. Later versions fixed this.
well, "AH" for Avalon Hill might be not the best shortcut because most people will associate those letters differently in the context of WW2, even I had to stop and think for a second.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Good point
Total production number is interesting but does not really reflect how many were on the field usually, against how large enemy units. It is might not even be possible to dig up such an info.
Wow, so many U.S. "Priests" on the battleground during WWII.
Schwere Feldhaubitze 18/1 auf Fahrgesfell Panzerkampfwagen III/IV Selbstfahrlafette...
A slight mouthful, should be easy to say... I think.
Edit: Most definitely NOT EASY TO SAY
I can always amaze my anglo-saxon friends with words like "Mietschuldenfreiheitsbescheinigung", which they often need in Germany to get an (decent) apartment... "Now you`re just making fun of me!" "You`re making this up!" etc. ... :D The last line of defense is not a German tank, but the German language... ;) And Bernhard is, of course, not German, but Austrian...I guess, it`s a little bit like the difference from beeing from Pennsylvania and beeing from Ontario...at least he`s not from Vienna... ;P Ok ok, I stop right here! No hard feelings...I hope... ;)
I have watched about two dozen's of this channel's vids
and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to admit that this or that german design was actually a good one
basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so
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> and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to
> admit that this or that german design was actually a good one
did it occur to you, that I generally rarely say that a design was a "good one"?
> basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so
maybe or maybe you are used to people talking that constantly state how "great", "excellent", etc. something was, I generally don't use superlatives in my videos irrelevant of the faction.
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We need that in warthunder
It feels like WaPru wrote lots of checks they couldn't cash.