Why the German Army failed in the West 43-44
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- čas přidán 7. 12. 2020
- The German Army had serious problems with conducting counter-attacks against the Western Allied Forces in 1943-44 this was different to the Situation on Eastern Front against the Red Army. As such the question is, why was this the case and this is not about logistics.
Disclaimer: I received a pre-release ebook of Prof. Neitzel’s Book “ Deutsche Krieger. Vom Kaiserreich zur Berliner Republik - eine Militärgeschichte ”.
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Because they had everything on the east 🤣
My father was an artillery observer in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, Southern France, and the Bulge. He remarked once how the German sound ranging equipment was well made, but they did not bury it like US artillery observers were trained to do. When shelling started, German sound ranging wires were quickly cut, while US microphones kept working. Once, on a cold night in Italy, my father ranged in on a German railway gun that was "sniping" at US positions. In clear, cold conditions, he triangulated on the source of the firing. A dive bomber attack at dawn found a railway tunnel at the location he indicated. They bombed both ends of the tunnel. When the lines moved up, they found a large railway gun entombed in the tunnel. Sound ranging allowed my father to locate the gun within six meters of its actual location--this from nearly 20 miles away.
Kinda creepy. The Prof just sits there staring at you and speaks without moving his lips.....
The long and short of it is that the Wehrmacht of 1940-1941 did not exist. They had lost too many experienced and gifted officers and men. The Heer of 1943-44 had a huge hemorraging of institutional knowledge and tactical experience. It was like Napoleon's Army in 1813: Too many old hands gone, too many young, inexperienced kids and not enough of everything materially.
Fascinating video. Thank You.
"How do you define fail?"
This was fascinating. I have friends who were in US artillery in the 70's, and they were very much focused on counter battery fire, but I didn't know we were so good at it back in the 40's. I did know that US artillery was very aggressive, in the sense that the cost of barrels and shells wasn't even considered.
I appreciate bringing such celebrities as Prof Neitzel as guests to your channel. Especially since my funds for books are somewhat limited during this pandemic. Very informative and nicely conducted podcast. :)
I love how much detail is included in your videos.
Prof. Neitzel’s pic was so High quality I was expecting a video interview, for him to start moving and taking,
I loved how MHV finally pointed out the strategic advantages of the allied artillery emphasis. I always enjoy his videos on artillery because artillery is pretty "unpopular" with the popular military culture. Everyone just really likes to talk about tanks and aircraft. Artillery is not about the weapon itself (even though the experiences of troops with certain weapons (-systems) sure is interesting), but it's about the effect of artillery fire that determines it's capabilities. WWI artllery ordnance is outclassed by ordnance developed in the 1930-40s but using it effectively will make it less "obsolete" than people would think. Just look at finnish artillery in Sommer 1944. Finland for the most part used WWI ordnance but their effects were great in the defensive battles of Sommer 1944. I feel like I digressed too much.
I love these people commenting with an explanation on a 26min long video within 8min of the video being released 🤣
Drink every time someone doesn’t watch the video first before stating their opinion.
Prof Neitzel is very interesting to listen to! Thank you for bringing him to the channel.
The US Army brought a ton of firepower to the fight. In addition regular Armored Divisions, every single US infantry division was reinforced with an independent tank battalion and in many cases a tank destroyer battalion. The lowly German grunt would’ve killed to have a StuG permanently attached to his infantry division, let alone a tank.
Excellent presentation, as usual!
Wow. This is great. I like it when my conception s have been challenged. Thanks for this.
I love having KITT teaching us about history. Feel a bit sorry he have replaced Hasselhoff, but I bet prof. Neitzel is a good Knightrider too
The terrain in the West is totally different than in the East. It's much tighter. The East is much more open. Dont send one Tiger to do what four Panzer IVs could do better.
So cool you got Neizel to join you on this one.