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Why was German Sloped Armor so late?
In this video we look at German sloped armor, how it is different to Allied sloped armor and potential reasons why it was introduced so late. For this we look at how the Germans welded their sloped armor differently, although this might be just a coincidence.
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Köhler, Frank: Panther - Meilenstein der Panzertechnik: Bemerkungen über ein wegweisendes Waffensystem, Schneider Armour Research: Uelzen, Germany, 2014.
Rau, Walter: Panzerungen mit besonderer Berücksichtigung gepanzerter Fahrzeuge zu Lande, Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik und Beschaffung: Koblenz, Germany, 1973.
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00:00 Intro
German & French Sloped Armor before 1941
00:57 Why no sloped Armor on Panzer III, IV & Tiger?
01:32 Why non-sloped Armor was preferred by the Germans?
01:59 Tiger Promo
02:49 Structural Integrity
04:36 see the difference
05:39 T-34 Interlocking
07:46 Jagdpanzer 38 “Hetzer”
08:08 Why not earlier interlocking Armor?
08:47 Warning! Different Views!
09:01 Effectiveness?
10:24 Why no more Interlocking after 1945?
11:17 First Summary
12:29 Different Viewpoint / Second Summary
15:00 More Research needed
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Komentáře

  • @keithbosch37
    @keithbosch37 Před 9 hodinami

    I sometimes wonder if, the German hierarchy wanted the armored vehicles to stop projectiles in order to protect the foot soldiers and others to the rear of combat.

  • @VincenzoPentangeli
    @VincenzoPentangeli Před 10 hodinami

    Would a shell hit create a shock wave that could break straight welds? Where as the interlocking welded plates would resist this?

  • @martinwinther6013
    @martinwinther6013 Před 12 hodinami

    The slopes on the halftracks was a consequence of the productionmethods. You can save a lot of steps if you only have to cut and weld without bending anything. The tracked mortar was NOT intended as a spearhead vehicle, and theres not really any weaponsystem from the allied that would be a direct threat in the sense that it couldnt stop anything larger than handheld calibers, and you dont even need sloped to stop that. Long story short. there was no need for sloped untill the calibers became so big that flat couldnt stop the rounds. Sloped armor will result in less space inside the tank, so unless theres a really good reason, then youd go for the flat.

  • @rankoorovic7904
    @rankoorovic7904 Před 19 hodinami

    These vehicles were more liked by the Soviet infantry then by the crews that served in the vehicles themselves,true fact

  • @jomorken4853
    @jomorken4853 Před 19 hodinami

    For some reason, gun-nerds with a strong german accent, sorta scares me a bit more than other gun nerds. Like they are a bit too enthused

  • @Hive-Mind-BBX
    @Hive-Mind-BBX Před 20 hodinami

    Sloped armour is basically on every WW2 Armoured vehicle, however, it was rarely implemented into design intelligently to act as sloped armour. In fact, many of the vehicles with a lot of armour sloping in early WW2 were pre-war designs like the Soviet T-60 for example, which is a pre-war light tank design, but the front and rear armour is sloped. Additionally, most nations with tanks at the time of WW2's start, had at the very least made something with mostly sloped frontal armour.

  • @davidschlageter5962
    @davidschlageter5962 Před 21 hodinou

    My understanding was PzIV was mobile close support artillery and the PzIII was the MBT. When the Russians rolled out their T34 that strategy didn't work, and Germans had to scramble to alter the larger PzIV to attempt to counter the T34. It makes sense that it only had brief dominance because it was enlisted into a role for which it was not principally designed. A more competitive MBT would have to be engineered to counter the superior Russian armor.

  • @pedrokdc
    @pedrokdc Před 22 hodinami

    Hello, I'm not a 1940s engineer but I am a Mechanical Engineer. I'd say the cutouts on the Jagdpanzer are much more likely to be ease of fabrication features than structural. It they are structural it's more likely that they have arisen from pseudo scientific (gut feeling) than from hard calculation, it may come as a surprise to you but much engineering work is born from the designer's experience and ideas thane from hard math. This happens today but was much more common in the past where the simulation/calculation tools were poorer. What I am saying the designer of those tanks probably was not able to justify the cutouts with math alone and he probable designed the tank like that from experience/feeling.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized Před 20 hodinami

      Thanks, I don't think ease of fabrication was a factor, if that was the case I would think the Soviets and Allies would have done something similar. I am not really surprised, I have a background in computer science and although we do a lot of calculations, a lot of stuff comes down to "gut", the main difference is, we can test it quickly and cheaply.

  • @josh09614
    @josh09614 Před 23 hodinami

    Hitler was compelled to invade ther countries, because the Reich's economy is falling due to his Autarky

  • @madeingermany9445
    @madeingermany9445 Před dnem

    Think it was a bit of both russ army and the mud with not enough logistics

  • @joecanteen7428
    @joecanteen7428 Před dnem

    Everything with ww2 germany is complicated. Even simple steel helmet, Stahlhelm use more expansive steel, Press 7-9 time per helmet and hammer it to shape, Brodie and M1 helmet cheap steel one press and be done with it. Also because of too many press stahlhelm have weak shell than allies steel helmet,

  • @bikenavbm1229
    @bikenavbm1229 Před dnem

    in my mind the interlocking amour joints are a seperate design feature not really connected to sloped or vertical amour, and vision technology again a design feature compromise perhaps led in a direction by better optic development.

  • @ClubofInfo-Circulation

    The Leopard 2A4 has the Tiger aesthetic and no sloped armor on the turret

  • @its_notta_cedar
    @its_notta_cedar Před dnem

    BECAUSE THE TIGER 1 LOOKS DAAAAOPE

  • @runchaoli8011
    @runchaoli8011 Před dnem

    drone with laser guided shell has been extremely effective, krasnopol etc.

  • @paulschafers5983
    @paulschafers5983 Před dnem

    I would like to suggest that it was indeed, the British in particular, that embraced the term "Blitzkrieg" to describe the fluid and co-operative nature of the German attack, as new war doctrine, to conceal the fact that their own forces simply refused to co-operate with each other. The elitist attitudes of their navy, and air force, simply wouldn't allow it. It was the successful demonstration of Stukas dive bombing a path for the massed panzer formations, that made the British high command claim "Blitzkrieg" as a new form of warfare to hide their embarrassment.

  • @paulschafers5983
    @paulschafers5983 Před dnem

    Very interesting, and yes, on the surface, it would appear that German tank design was lacking in that respect.

  • @paulschafers5983
    @paulschafers5983 Před dnem

    I would agree with your comment that they felt it unnecessary until allied firepower improved, such as T34/85 and Sherman Firefly

  • @roger5313
    @roger5313 Před dnem

    Chermans with their dumb bullshit as usual. Thats why you lie under the ami since 1945.

  • @mypadmi8656
    @mypadmi8656 Před dnem

    Russian don't care about details, thay count on numbers, 100 t34 vs 10 panther...sloped armour will not help

  • @toodlepop
    @toodlepop Před dnem

    because ze master race is so smart, ya?

  • @drumngrewve
    @drumngrewve Před dnem

    Anyone seeing the Terror Drome here.....???

  • @serdnayoseidan8868

    igual arderán de lo lindo en ucrania nazi.

  • @SuperBuildsInMC
    @SuperBuildsInMC Před dnem

    Is it 50mm Kampfwagenkanone L/42 or "50mm Kampfwagenkampfkanone L/42?" at 1:14 it says one thing but you say another, im confused.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized Před dnem

      Kampfwagenkanone is correct; It would be 5 cm, since Germany in WW2 used cm not mm for guns.

  • @fdsfggr
    @fdsfggr Před dnem

    10:00 inform you about welding. im not 100% sure about 1940 but nomal today a weld is as strong as the material you weld thats the point of welding today

  • @fdsfggr
    @fdsfggr Před dnem

    sorry but a weld seem is not a weak point but the overlapping made it super strong

  • @michaelholopainen2822

    Deadlier to tanks than Air defense gun ?

  • @tanergirgin6569
    @tanergirgin6569 Před dnem

    To the best of my knowledge, T34 was way simpler and cheaper to produce than Tiger or Panther or King Tiger. I believe the choice to not produce it was a decision mandated by natural resources and production facilities. While the Allies had all the materials they needed and could produce thousands of easy to produce war machines everywhere in the world, Axis powers lacked all these. They had limited access to raw materials, production facilities, manpower. Also, the homeland was a frequent target for massive aerial bombardments. So I believe they tried to produce the highest quality (which "sometimes" equals over-engineered and expensive) of equipment with the limited resources they had. Hence the famous calculation 7-8 Shermans to destroy 1 Tiger. For the axis powers, that resulted in long design and delivery timelines and technical failures experienced during combat due to extreme design complexity.

  • @alexread4803
    @alexread4803 Před 2 dny

    Bro when I had a war phase in middle school I tried finding out about the rso and never could

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized Před 2 dny

      I remember that the RSO was mentioned to me first by Oleg Maddox (Il-2) in an email and I never read anything about it, it was in the mid to late 1990ies, there was nothing in my books, of course, those were mostly tank books or general military history WW2 books.

  • @cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873

    Hey, I have a quick question and would very much appreciate it if you could answer it: Would the P-1000 Ratte have weighed around 1000 tons? Based on whatever specs I was able to find, there just seems to be no way it could have been that light with those dimensions, the Gneisenau turret and those ridiculous armor thicknesses

  • @namefinder
    @namefinder Před 2 dny

    I had no idea just how many Panthers they built near the end of the war, I always thought that Panzer IIIs and IVs were much more common! Eye-opening statistics.

  • @markrowland1366
    @markrowland1366 Před 2 dny

    Never knew of this. Thankyou.

  • @IMNODOCTOR
    @IMNODOCTOR Před 2 dny

    Using the interlocking plates allows you to shave off some weight while retaining the same kind of protection.

  • @warpigs9069
    @warpigs9069 Před 2 dny

    It's because the Germans armor was Sloppy Second's!

  • @techforge-Nate
    @techforge-Nate Před 2 dny

    Square armour like the Panzer 3/4/Tiger can still be angled by positioning the tank and shooting over one of the front track wheels. If you have pike nose, or sloped armour that is angled for frontal deflection, if you are caught from the 45 degree angle to the hull, these plates are more or less flat. Early German tank doctrine also had more emphasis on mobility than protection against tank guns, which meant the square designs were adequate for that doctrine, while also remaining feasible for production as Germany were coming from a very low technical and industrial base compared to their opponents in the post Versailles treaty era.

  • @antondzajajurca7797

    There is no mystery here, german engineers were masters of overcomplicating basic engineering concepts.

  • @pavelrak8906
    @pavelrak8906 Před 2 dny

    Interlocking I guees make the assembly more easý because parts hold in place before welding and also the weld is a bit weaker (tension and applied heat) so if ist start to rupture, than it stops in next corner. I mean fox example by hit with HE, or stoping AP the plates wirk and could split in welding line. sloped armor probably also spare some weight - corners are cut. About benefits of increase of effective thicknes must know all sides in that time.

  • @dandreray1602
    @dandreray1602 Před 2 dny

    There's a good documentary on tank development on the history Channel. From it learned that the Soviets and Germans developed their early tanks together to circumvent the Versailles Treaty. Nazis taking full power put an end to this joint effort on tank development. It was pretty much the Nazis ideology of superiority in every way that had them disregard things "Soviet" in design or manufacturing. Figure the sloped amor tanks was just casualty of all that until it bit em in the rear.

  • @manuelortega5035
    @manuelortega5035 Před 2 dny

    You are wrong. There are existing photos from poland 1939 operation, germans soldiers meets t-34 personally and are speaking with t-34 crew. Look it up. Edit: to be specific. Your opinion, germans didnt met t-34 before barbarosa is wrong. I like your work and videos. Anyway there are couple of photos from poland 1939 from end of septemeber 1939, group of german soldiers literally 1 meter next to t-34 chatting friendly with its crew. T-34 looks like micky mouse because both hatches are open up. That nickname actually coming from this time.

    • @TankArchives
      @TankArchives Před 2 dny

      I would like to see such photographs. The T-34 tank was accepted into service on December 19th, 1939. At the moment not even a prototype of the tank had been built, only its precursors (A-20 and A-32). The A-34 were built early in 1940 and tested in March-April. The T-34 only entered production in June of 1940 and began to be issued to troops in the fall, a full year after the end of the campaign in Poland. Editing to add that the "Mickey Mouse" turret was not even put into production until December of 1941. Until then, all T-34 tanks had one single hatch that spanned the entire width of the turret.

    • @fabovondestory
      @fabovondestory Před 20 hodinami

      Ratiod

  • @commiezombie2477
    @commiezombie2477 Před 2 dny

    Fuc**n dummies. Attacked warships instead of supply ships. Warships are damn near useless without supplies. 😂

  • @xxw379k
    @xxw379k Před 2 dny

    Interesting to hear about the backstory to the Volvo 240 series.

  • @Strada098
    @Strada098 Před 2 dny

    Some 30 years ago on a combined military exercise there were 3 Gepards i was attached to, that in turn were supposed to protect tanks and other vehicles that were also in the column. 2 of them broke down in the first hours leaving their depots. Then on an open stretch an American A10 got sight of the column and started attacking runs. The 3rd Gepard went into action tracking it, it's barrels swooped up aiming and....it broke down too. Were it real everything would have been in ashes. I really wonder if the mechanical reliability ever became less shameful then that.....

  • @TheWirksworthGunroom

    Could you explain the Austrian Law that requires you to state that you were invited to a museum?

  • @JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701

    Am Ende war der Tiger viel bedeutender für die Gefechte der Wehrmacht als der Tiger 2

  • @philosophyinthelight

    I believe it was a matter of metallurgy (in addition to other considerations such as increasing gun calibers on both sides). For example, the Tiger 1 and Mark IV armor had extremely high nickel and tungsten content with case-hardened faces that could shatter any Allied round...thus preventing penetration...with a milder steal core that absorbed the impact. Whereas the King Tiger and Panther factories could no longer obtain such high quality plates due to shortages of imported raw materials, and time constraints and the need for higher production, made multi-layer tempering impracticle...and therefore they had to switch to single-layer hardened but thicker armour that required sloping in lue of the earlier "samurai sword" multi-layered hardness tempering. This later armour (1943 on) was so thick and heavy that interlocking helped prevent shattering. In other words...German armour got thicker and sloped because the quality of the metal diminished as the war progressed...and the Panther often cracked at the seams after a few hits even with interlocking plates…

  • @genekelly8467
    @genekelly8467 Před 2 dny

    A related question: German tanks all had that cement coating intended to foil magnetic explosives; despite the fact that the Allies never used them.

  • @threeone6012
    @threeone6012 Před 2 dny

    Sloped armor reduces the size of the crew compartment for any given length of chassis. That was also a factor in using vertical armor.

  • @zenzej
    @zenzej Před 3 dny

    According to wiki those numbers dont check out at all... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II

  • @toddellis8346
    @toddellis8346 Před 3 dny

    I think in this, there are three different points which are getting caught up in the same topic, being: 1. Sloped armor 2. Heavier armor. 3. Effective welding of sensitive armor plate. the interlocking joins are not exclusively related to sloping armor but are more a factor relating to effectively joining the ever increasing thickness of armor. In the case of the deflected shot being turned away (action/reaction) there is also an increase in stress that must be effectively distributed through the welds . These gargantuan thickness plates cannot possibly be fully welded so the strength must be achieved by other means. Keep in mind any welded structure achieves the required strength not through the welds themselves but through correct weld placement and correct fit up before welding. With all that said, in my own opinion all the sloped side armor was largely a waste of effort, a pointy nose and vertical sides seems to have stood the test of time.

  • @DT-wp4hk
    @DT-wp4hk Před 3 dny

    Because slope refers to Asians and is racist. That's why nationalist can't adopt😂