Law & Order in Ancient Rome - The Case of the Sacred Chicken Killer
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In this episode we cover the case of the sacred chicken killer. We begin the video by exploring the practice of Roman Augury which involves omen reading using birds. Augury in fact played a large part in Roman religious practice and was even used by armies on campaign. We then turn to an incident during the First Punic War when a Roman commander grew fed up by the outcome of one such omen. He killed the sacred chickens, spiting the gods, and soon after faced disaster in battle. Upon returning to Rome the commander faced trial for his crimes against religion and justice. (Note: This video includes sponsored content)
Credits:
Research: Chris Das Neves
Script: Chris Das Neves
Art: Beverly Johnson
Editing: Invicta
Bibliography and Suggested Reading:
Law Making in the Later Roman Republic, Alan Watson, 1974.
A Legal History of Rome, George Mousourakis, 2007.
The Historical and Institutional Context of Roman Law, George Mousourakis, 2003.
Roman Law in Context, David Johnston, 1999.
Roman Law: An Introduction, Rafael Domingo, 2018.
Historical Introduction to the Study of Roman Law, HF Jolowicz and Barry Nicholas, 1972.
An Introduction to the Principles of Roman Law, P. Van Warmelo, 1976.
The Cambridge Companion to Roman Law, ed. David Johnston, 2015.
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Now I understand why the locals of Riverwood hated me so much.
Chicken chaser I presume?
nice
They hate me for piling up so many dragon bones but hey, the dragons killed the blacksmith and I have no one to sell em to.
Dude that was so good
It's all clear now! Even though the nords rule Skyrim, the empire's influence is too strong!
general: kills chickens
senate: it's treason then
I hope you do understand however, that this is a system which is considered modern today, only the chickens have changed.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 I love democracy.
@@Madhattersinjeans
Dont we all?
At least, until we are in the minority, and tyranny seems so much better.
Our love of democracy goes no further than a bag of chips. When its empty, we want another one.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 My allegiance is to the republic! To democracy!
@@atomic_wait Yeah, Ive heard people say that, shout that, declare that from the bottom of their lungs and hearts, and in the same sentence shown their utter distaste for it.
For those who most loudly proclaim it, democracy is a team their homecountry supports, no more, no less, a badge, a flag, a colour, and in their hearts they dont care, they would do the same for the king, the tyrant and the party if conditions of their birth had been different.
Do you love democracy? Then love the people. Love their right to disagree, and love them enough that you will support them and follow them if necessary.
Thats democracy, not a team to be fan of.
Now I would like a mod for Rome II Total War.
Abilities could include “consult the chickens”, “interpret the birds”, and maybe “test the augur by sending him into combat”
Myess
“I must consult with the Elder Chickens.”
Roman soldier: Victory is Assured, we outnumber them ten-fold
Roman general: *Do not doubt the wise beast of poultry*
Yeah, im totally convinced it works that way, dude.
How about this:
Soldier: the enemy is so scary, we cannot win!
General: Silence you fool! You dare to doubt the will of the Great Chicken God who has granted us victory?
You are not merely a coward and a fool, but blind as well! Cannot you see the signs of victory with your own eyes?
- Great priest, can we plant our fields? The city is hungry.
- By the beak of the great chicken, NO
You are saying that planting early is wise because of need. Which makes you the fool, not the ancient peoples.
If you plant and late recurrence of winter destroys your crops, you go from hunger to famine which will last more than a year.
If you wait, and your crop is succesful, you have to live on short rations for a few weeks more. Or not. Growing time is not stable. If the plants are planted in favorable weather, they might catch up their weaker neighbours.
Lastly, if people are hungry in the spring, planting will not help them now. Harvest time is in autumn, and plans for more food would be done half years ago.
So, as a SENATOR-priest, I would answer you: Fear not, child, for the great chicken-god will send you its blessing. Look over the sea and towards Egypt, and you will see the chicken-god has not forsaken you.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 I belive you answered my joke with one of your own
Romans: Where are the sacred chickens!?
*Colonel Sanders sweats nervously*
Sanders was a colonel in the roman army for a reason.
Centurion Sanders
Can you imagine being so primitive you have to use chickens to predict the outcome of battle? Thankfully, we are a lot more advanced using octopuses to predict the outcome of a game.
It's time to consult with the octopus on who win the 2020 elections!!!
Its crowd control and psychology actually. Instill a sense of expectation, and people will make it happen, be it victory or defeat.
And yeah I know it was sarcasm, but these things have so many people who actually believe them, that I just have to throw a few stones against the waves of ignorance.
@@jaheimwiley810 octopus is not a latin word. It's greek. Octopi is the least correct form possible. It's either octopodes or octopuses, but not octopi
@@jaheimwiley810 we live and we learn, you are welcome.:>
yeah ... I remember that night of octopussies...
The Romans military were so powerful, they make the first "winner winner chicken dinner"
Dfathurr more like chickens dinner winner winner
Yes. Winner winner chicken dinner
So “advanced”
😂
>"As minor as planting crops"
When you're a subsistence farmer, that's not a small or inconsequential decision, and it matters to the survival of far more people than battles tend to
One battle in antiquity could and did wipe out entire swathes of society, and sow public discord when a loss occurred far more than farmers having a bad season, because there will be stores of grain and produce available , or that can be purchased from other cities.
Claudius: **Drowns chicken**
Zeus: "Oh, you're approaching me?"
Zeus is a Greek god not a Roman.
This how ever would have been seen as a treason to the following gods. Mars as it was a request about war.
Neptune for the birds where thrown in to the sea where they don't belong.
but worst for all to see. do to the fact that chickens are birds. They belong to Jupiter the god off all gods. As a Roman you did not want to get the anger of Jupiter on your conscience. that could be death to the entire world as a punishment.
If you hanged and pierced it before drowning/strangulating, odin might be generous on you too, but odins favour is more likely to end up being killed in war to become a corpse warrior to his army and kill/get killed as practice for ragnarok all day everyday till the world ends. I dont really know if his favour is better or worse than greek tartarus truthfully.
>Disgusting Greekoid name
JVPITER is disappointed in you.
@Fae Trick Angry Thicc Fucc
Birds: Exists
Ancient Humans: They must be telling us something!
We are always telling you things. If you refuse to listen we collectively peck you.
@@MaliciousChickenAgenda With their peckers.
People still think that, especially in religious beliefs (christianity is one that ik of)
As an actual Duck
I feel bad for my Chicken cousins back then
My disgust is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Have you heard of the Empire of Kentucky? Led by The Colonel?
Are you jealous? Duckey! :D
Ha I’m a squirrel
So you could say that put you into a fowl mood?
Bird sacrifices ain't what it's quacked up to be...
I would say that when to plant to crops is just as, if not more so, important as when to fight a battle.
Both are important, but each day gives another chance for battle, while you sow but once a year.
Yeah, I agree.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Yes. Battles are aplenty, but crops are the precious lifesource. Screw up that one chance and you slowly starve for a year.
Battles kill and destroy while crops produce growth and food
@@maggpiprime954 Screwing up planting time generally wouldn't lead to no yield not to mention civilizations at that time stockpiled food and could also buy food from other civilizations.
Battles are not aplenty the loss of a battle can literally end your empire.
Geez imagine those ornithologist bird watchers of present day doing double time as priests.
Bill Bailey comes to mind.
Doqnt worry i know bird law
Well, its likely your great-grandparents were old enough to remember what it was like.
Predicting the weather has long been done by watching bird migrations.
As birds move from the south in the spring, they follow favorable weather, which is different for every species.
As warm, favorable weather in the spring is coming from the south as the birds, its not actually predicting the Future weather, but observing present, distant weather from those who have been there. You can observe where a plane comes from simply from the tan people have, so why not birds? 😁
While not foolproof science, it did give farmers a surprisingly good idea when to plant their crops, and observing several species it was possible to even predict trends. For example, if the latecomers were coming in shorter intervals, one could assume warm weather would be also following in speed, while if the birds returned in small numbers, the local weather in the south would be changing back and forth, confusing the birds.
I just hope this year, the birds will return in large groups and on time, so we will have a stable, warm summer. 😃
Dystopia
@@lmaozedong2259 Are you prone to hyperbole?
Só thats why chickens are so powerful in Zelda?
And in Elder Scrolls, especially Skyrim! Fry a dragon, no big deal, accidently kill a chicken in the process, a guard will literally chase you across half the map!
Hey invicta! Love your content
Is possible to do a episode on the everyday life of a ancient/medieval carpenter? Or any working man for that matter?
Or how criminal organization worked and operated back in the day as brigands, bandit barons, drug dealing ruffians etc?
I'm really fascinated about the average population of those times, like, who was their dave chappelle? Their tony hawk pro skater? Their joe rogan podcast? Like dude, did they even lift? If so, how?
There are very few records on those type of matters, specially in the medieval period, for the average people knew not how to write, and being their customs matter of peassentry, the literate ones didn't keep a track on their average lifestyles for the most part. I agree, It must be very interesting to know more about those matters, sadly it's very hard work to find documents that talk about it. Invicta and his team have a very good grasp on history tho, specially pre-modern era, so they might be able to find stuff about it
@@Woodrow512 yeah i imagined it would be difficult because the lack of written sources : /
but curiosity still high tho, maybe somebody one day with knowledge may give us a little insight by the means of simulating human behaviour just putting the ancient/medieval settings or something.
@@Woodrow512 well, regarding late middle ages (1000-1492), precisely from mid-late 1100s to 1492, we have many written records on the society of the time, and even some about every day life. For example, the Decameron of Giovanni Boccaccio, written during the black plague of 1348, is a great insight on every day life of the time. The Decameron is made of 100 novellas (stories), and they all give great insight in every day life, in habits and such, but also political and social stuff, as well as a look at the society of the time.
Other great sources are letters.
Chicken: Baooowk Buk = War
Chicken: Buk Buk Buwk, Bawk Bawk= Run you Chicken.
Also ,
Chicken: Bawk Buk Buk Buk= Chicken Caesar please, no Anchovies.
So the people of Riverwood were right to behead me from killing that chicken ?
you monster
Luky there are no concentration camps or gulags
Dragonborn are a dime a dozen; chicken are _serious business_
@@justme6094 Oh he knew what he was doing the sneaky bastard, walking across the road right in front of me while I had just purchased a bol of salt.. He knew alright what was gonna happen.
@@cebonvieuxjack it was the first thing I did in this town. Thats how I started the genocide in Skyrim.
This is my first exposure to Invicta. I must say i'm enjoying it so far.
I highly recommend his video about Romans and their dogs
Watch the video How They Did It - Pet Dogs in Ancient Rome. It is the hardest "you cry, you lose" challenge on youtube.
Or the one on the dolphin. Man that was pure drama.
Welcome aboard! I started doing military history documentaries but have since branched out to do a lot more on daily life and unique stories which bring the past to life like this one.
Oh! Thank you guys for the recommendations.
"So when you saw a Roman general bust out the chickens, you knew they meant business."
Stop! You have violated the Law!
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.
"sentance"
EmperorJuliusCaesar you mean it works that way everywhere.
Skyrim references in 3...2...1...
Wabbajack!!!
Didn't see that coming did you?
eh a 25 gold fine i'll live.
Oh, you finally awake
See now, if he had played Legend of Zelda, he would've known not to kill the chickens. ;)
What was the verdict in Claudius's sister trial? I can't find any information about it online
This is actually more accurate than most CNN polls.
Come on man, that is not hard to achieve.
Chicken News Network.
what year is it
But how did the sister’s trial go?? Also LOVE how insulting so bad the people of Rome dragged a powerful ruling class person to trial, LOVE it
Just Imagine how people of the future would try an explain things like Murphy's law or Wifu chans.
I tend to think that climate change denial and anti-vaxers will be higher on the list of things that puzzle them, but yes.
@@jesseberg3271 I was talking stricktly in the sense of them confusing such things for gods, but if you're going to be like that. The obvious answer to both is the politics that surround it. The people I've spoken to say they are are suspituous of climate change because of wrong predictions and because of people useing climate change as a torjan horse to push ideology. Simply look into the green new deal as an example. And people I've spoken to say they are suspicious of vaccines because they don't trust the government. Given how long it took the government to admit that cigarettes are dangerous I can't really blame them on the face of it.
Try talking to people.
@@darkblood626 why should i talk to stupid people?
@@BoxStudioExecutive Because people are often labeled stupid simply because they contradict the status quo. The people who first said that cigarettes are bad for you were labeled stupid conspiracy theorists. And honestly if you would label someone stupid simply for not trusting the Government you're likely projecting.
@Rios Salvajes OP is not an anti-vaxxer, he's talking about the reason people believe in anti-vax
I have been familiar with this story for decades now and it is one of my favorite stories to tell. Naturally when I saw it in my feed, I had to come out of my cage and take a peck at it.
Nords from Skyrim reaction would be : "hey, this just like we did back home. "
As you see in this vid the nords imported this tradition from the imperial.
The sacred chicken declare war on Popeye, KFC and Chick Fila
And so started the sacred cow-sacred chicken war.
Last time i was this early the chicken was still alive
“Hear the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, see his eye as he stops one of three...”
Up the irons!🤘🏽
Oh i love a Roman Republic stories! Make you feel great. I like this video!
"as minor as when to plant their crops" Your modern bias is showing. That's one of the most important decisions people in the ancient world made; an early planting combined with a late frost can spell the doom of exponentially more people than the result of some battle.
and birds probably know more about the seasons and weather than they do about war
*When you saw a roman general bust out the chickens, you know he meant business*
"Bring me my Chickens!!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Dude I love your videos and have been a subscriber for just about four years now! More frequent content please!
Frequent can degrade the quality. It takes a lot of research and time to make these videos I’d imagine.
the content is wonderful and so is the art. great job!
“1000 asses per ship’
That made me laugh like crazy.
I just want to say thank you Invicta for all you do by bringing history to life and making it enjoyable and accessible to everyone.
😃
Amazing video as usual!
This is an awesome and great case study. Thank you
Thank you for the ❤️, friend
This is awesome, thank you for getting me back into history!
Superb content man
I first learned of the sacred chicken when I played Zelda the ocarina of time.
Then when I played The elder scrolls V skyrim.
DON'T TOUCH THE CHICKEN.
Amazing story definitely sharing this video.
The fact that a comedy time travel movie hasn’t been made about this boggles my mind. A movie where a modern man who’s favorite food is fried chicken ends up in Ancient Rome. And he doesn’t understand why everyone is so upset that he just fried the chickens.
2:48 that painting is beautiful
It is well that Claudius did not strangle the fowl. Can you imagine being hailed into court and having the charges read: "choking the chicken"
It's not so strange that the romans relied on the behavior of birds. They are excellent weather predictors. How they fly, at what height, the sounds (or absence of them) they make, their general behaviour can tell you a lot about the weather that day.
Ok you need to make a video on funny army/war customs. This chicken thing is as funny as the ottomans who were afraid of losing their precious soup cauldron. You have to recopilat as many funny army stuff and make a video
There might be some slight sense in taking the chickens advice before a naval battle.
If the rocking of the ships made the chickens too seasick to eat it may indicate that it would be unwise to attempt tactical manoeuvres in the rough water and it would be better to wait for when the seas were calmer and the chickens would eat.
Fascinating.
Sacred Chicken: I have spoken
Excellent
This is where the phrase: What are you, chicken?
Came from
Um, yeah, no.
But "I told you so." might have been.
And if you look up the phrase "pure conjecture" it's a link to the above comment.
Etymology quote:
>Meaning "one who is cowardly or timorous" is from 1610s; adjectival sense of "cowardly" is at least as old as 14c. (compare hen-herte "a chicken-hearted person," mid-15c.).
It's a fcking joke you azzholes
Achualllly
This was so cool! Double Jeopardy is Roman!
What a wonderful example of the placebo effect.
Could you make a list of your favorite ancient history books?? That would be something that's so helpful, as I'm looking for more good nonfiction books to read about the ancient world
Mike Duncan's the Storm before the Storm is really good if you're interested in the fall of the Roman Republic.
Awesome
I see Chicken Chaser is going for an Evil Side run today, also
Try to get your combat multiplier even higher.
Bird poops on general.
"The gods have spoken! This general has been chosen to fall upon the enemy in haste and to lay waste upon their heads!"
I love this, XD
mostly because it was as serious but as pleb then too!
Love the ancient Law and Order!!
Reminded me of that south park epiaode where the Treasury beheaded chickens to see if they should bail companies out
I love the two resident maniacs in all the top comment threads in these videos
Roman Army Officer: Being forth the sacred CHICKENS!
Enemy Spy: The Wh.... ?!
Romans: * Eyes narrow simultaneously in suspicion *
Trojan Priest: "I spoke to two farmers today. They saw an eagle with a serpent clutched in its talons. This is a sign from Apollo: we will win a great victory."
Hector: "Bird signs? You want to plan a strategy based on bird signs?"
"Join the battle, augur! Or are ya chicken?"
Tnx
If Charlie Kelly were born a Roman, he'd be a respected priest specialized in divine bird law!
Everyone in the comments are just laughing while legend of zelda veterans are just having vietnam flashbacks involving chickens
This sounds like a subject that Hollywood should make a movie about! The Sacred Chicken!
Something tells me the Romans would not have gotten around with Sandor Clegane that well.
Is this how the phrase "to chicken out" appeared? :D
Charlie would of been emperor of the romans with his knowledge of bird law
Would HAVE.
Pompey has just heard a storm.
This video pleases me.
"the chickens had spoken"
divine chickens spoke trough godly grace, spew forth the trurth, the word of the gods.
"gıt gıt gıdaak"
Antiquity: a time when saying that something was "for the birds!" was a compliment.
Hey man, knowing when to plant crops is super important to any society. Too early can mean they all die, and even just a week late can reduce yields by 20%. That can cause mass famines across a civilization like Rome.
Just the video i needed at 03 in the night while eating my chicken wings.
Noiiiice
Augur: The signs don't look good.
Me: What the cluck!
A random chicken might have changed the entire European history and we have no idea.
In my second year history on the university of Ghent, i learned about this. My professor told us this story and much more roman chicken stories and roman superstition. It really changes the way you look at the roman empire.
Tell us then! Share the knowledge. I would love to know. * listens intently *
We live in superstition. Regard what Tesla said about Einstein and modern scientists.
Ariston Sparta the romans used the holy chickens for every decision they had to make for example crossing a bridge or using a boat to cross water.
A Sacred chicken is currently a guest of my stomach and so far it has been agreeable to me
Even today, Chickens are a matter of life or death and serious politics, just visit your local Popeye's or Chik-fil-a to find out.
Pure gold 😆
When he said “bust out the chickens” I lost my shit 😂😂😂😂
The Empire in the Elder Scrolls, and thus Skyrim has some Roman influence.
Now I know why I got mob-rushed for accidentally killing a chicken once...
Caesar walks up to the Iberian Peninsula with his legions
~we sleep~
Caesar busts out the chickens
*Real shit*
I can totally see myself as a Celtic or Gaulish chieftain laughing my arse off at the Romans' chickens, par Belenos! Ils sont fous, les Romains! But don't laugh too long, for tomorrow the sky may fall.
Imagine romans breaking into a gaulish camp and catching them cooking and eating chickens for dinner.😱
I always check...if I cannot park close, than I shall not buy $4.99 roasted chicken at Walmart.
so profesional crazy bird person.
The moral of the story: Always listen to the chicken.
May the Cosmic Chicken be with ya'll.
5:00 "So when you saw a Roman general bust out the chickens..."
Senator: Do not eat the chicken, for it is sacred.
Pleb: What about dolphins?
Senator: Let's eat!!!
There is something synchronisticly beautiful and hyperaware about humans looking to the behaviour of dinosaurs about what to do. It is like the new global species consulting with the previous "owners" of the land, blissfully elegant. And to think we are about to consult a collection of microchips...
*The violence has escalated*
You should make a top 10 wtf moments in history.