Enneagram Type Two in Film and Television
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2021
- Taking a deeper look at the Enneagram Type Two by showing examples from film and television.
From the Enneagram Institute: "Twos are empathetic, sincere, and warm-hearted. They are friendly, generous, and self-sacrificing, but can also be sentimental, flattering, and people-pleasing. They are well-meaning and driven to be close to others, but can slip into doing things for others in order to be needed. They typically have problems with possessiveness and with acknowledging their own needs. At their Best: unselfish and altruistic, they have unconditional love for others."
Note: This video is not a statement that every character shown is 100% a Type Two. Most are fictional creations and might have characteristics of multiple Enneagram types that a real person would never have. Rather, it's a montage of characters acting in a specific way in a specific scene that demonstrates some attributes of an Enneagram Type Two.
At first I thought, "It's unfair that type 2s are not the main character in the majority of these films", but on second thought, it is very on brand for a type 2 to not act as the "main character" of their own story
For these videos I've had a tougher time finding Twos (and Nines) that are strong main characters. I've had the same thought... they often lean into more supporting roles in life (and thus, on screen).
Joe from the netflix show YOU im pretty positive is a 2w1 just a little bit of a sociopathic one but hes certainly the main character. That's really all I can think of though.
@@loganhemphill-badger9855 I hadn't heard of that show but I'll put it on my list to check out. Thanks for the tip!
Tolkien even admits that Sam Gamgee is the true hero in LOTR
@@DanDanPlaysMusic And he even gets the girl at the end.
Leslie's party for Ron is the kindest thing a 2 has ever done for a 5 lol
And probably the kindest thing anyone has ever done for Ron Swanson.
Why don’t you just say no?
2’s: 👁👄👁 that’s an option?
“If I help you’ll need me” FTW!
They do tend to learn to say no with age.
I'm an 8w9 and just found out that when I am my healthiest, I can resemble the traits of Type 2. I am very inspired. I found myself tearing up 3x watching this. Thanks for uploading.
Thanks.. tears are a great complement!
@@TypeCast 😊
Type 2 here. I’d actually strongly suggest that Sam is a type 6. He is deeply selfless and supportive, but not with everyone-only with the people he trusts and looks up to most. In fact, his typical disposition is more suspicious of the motives of those they meet-a “loyal skeptic” indeed. He’d never left the shire before or traveled very far and leaving was a very big deal for him, but he could be tremendously courageous when it came to that bond above all else. The reason he gives to Frodo isn’t to get love back, nor does he punish Frodo or sulk when he feels unappreciated (just worried and more suspicious of gollum), it’s bc it’s his role and duty he has held to as well as his genuine care for him. He also doesn’t try to ingratiate himself to others through flattery, smiles, help, kindness, in any other relationship. We’ve gotta remember how loving and loyal 6s can be!!
Thank you for your videos! They’ve been really fun to watch!
Have found so many of these videos so helpful and I’m grateful for the research to be sure!
Thanks! Those are all great points about Sam and I’m sure I could do a whole video on him using Six quotes.
My videos aren’t really about Typing specific characters. It’s more about using individual clips to illustrate certain aspects of each Type… “painting the big picture.” There’s even places where I’ve intentionally used a character of the “wrong” Type because a certain scene so perfectly illustrates something about a different Type. Originally I wasn’t even going to identify the characters but people kept asking me, “Who was that? What film was that from?” So I added the name/title graphics in case people wanted to see more on their own.
Plus so many of these fictional characters act as Rorschach tests… we all see what we “want” to see. The important thing for me is using the characters to learn more about ourselves and others, regardless of Type.
@@TypeCast oh I LOVE that! I’ve sent your videos on to others I’ve been teaching about the enneagram and that’s how I suggested they approach it (using the scenes to emphasize the excerpts and showcase how those can look in action), and it’s encouraging to hear that’s how it was intended!
That’s great to hear! My intention/hope with the channel is that it can be a free and valuable resource for the Enneagram community.
Last two clips were so beautiful. Wish I had a therapist like Sean and a best friend like Sam
Yes! I wanted to end that video on a strong, healthy note.
Goddamn with those last two clips...you making me cry man
Tears are good!
As an ESFJ watching this I'm very much touched. I reaaaally adore the idea of helping others and self sacrifices...
“The Caregiver” FTW!
Thank you so much for this! I've been getting deeper and deeper into the enneagram lately and this really helped with my understanding of it, looking forward to the rest of the series!
Thanks! My hope is that the series is relevant for both newbies and those who wanted a deep dive.
These really need more attention!
but also...
Why'd you have to hurt me with dobby like that T.T
He’s the hero we need right now.
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I think Michael Scott is more of a 7w6 with a 2 in the tritype, but great edit!
Thanks! Personally I think his “need to be needed” (2) is much greater/stronger than his “need to avoid pain” (7). His picture should be in the dictionary next to “codependency”. However, he’s a fictional character, so it’s possible he could have traits of multiple types in combinations that a real person wouldn’t. He’s definitely got some 7 in him!
Oh man, this one moved me to tears. Well done!
Thanks!
yes moved me to tears as well!
Thank you sooo much for your work. It is really helpful for those, who are interested in enneagram because sometimes it is hard to distinguish types only by reading the description. These videos should be included in all courses on enneagram:)
Thanks… and I won’t argue with that!
I often will say to my wife, who is a beautiful 2, "Frodo wouldn't have gotten very far without Sam" 😭
True dat.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO PICK THAT DOBBY SCENE I'M SO SAD NOW
Great video though
Love,
an emotionally uncontrollable 4.
The only time I cried while reading the books.
Have any of you seen the movie "Jungleland"? Starring Charlie Hunnam and Jack O'Connell.
I thought immediately of this character in particular that shows some Type 2 Traits.
Hunnam plays the older brother of Jack that sacrifices in any possible way for him. Since they barely have money, Hunnam's character helps him into his boxing career by training him, even by skipping meals so he doesn't starve and stay strong. When they get in trouble, Hunnam's character does whatever it takes to protect him. Sadly, he forces later his brother into fighting even though he suffers from arthritis.
They fight and Hunnam's characters EXPLODES by shouting in a dinner, spitting every single thing he has done for him, and complaining he won't show any gratitude.
This is a very good movie, you guys should watch it!
Never heard of it but I’ll check it out!
An excellent compilation of examples and lots of relevant excerpts! I now have a few more books to read and movies to watch (or re-watch)!
Thanks! And stay tuned for round two… I’m working on it now.
👍👏👏👏👏👏 Mario I was blown away by the excelent quality of your work!!! Congratulations to the whole team.
I don’t know who Mario is but I appreciate the kind words!
@@TypeCast Sorry, I was under the impression that I was watching Mario Sikora's CZcams channel. He is an Enneagram teacher based on Philadelphia.
I am so glad I found your excellent productions, thank you!
No worries! My name is TJ and I’m a freelance video producer based in St. Louis.
What a clip to end on! Awesome video.
Thanks!
Cried three times, you picked such good scenes
Thanks! I'm working on identifying good candidates for my Type Two subtypes video now. If you have any ideas...
Yeah I'm a Two and I hate being ignored or shut out.
Mario Sikora of ATA describes Type Two as "striving to feel Connected." So... that checks out.
Kinda sad that Most type 2 are usually supporting characters or moral compass to the main character
That’s interesting, I’d have to think more about it. You have any main character Twos in mind?
@@TypeCast Japanese shows have more 2s as main charas than Western media
Interesting. I’m completely ignorant of Japanese shows.
Lily from HIMYM when she manipulates Barney and Robin into the same room to “work through their problems” - would that apply for unhealthy 2s?
I haven't seen the show so I can't say for sure, although that does sound like a potentially "unhealthy Two" thing to do... meddling in other people's issues and trying to fix their relationship.
How about Donna from Suits? I feel like she’s the poster child for type 2
I haven’t seen that show, but I’ll put it on the list.
Funny thing, this video actually just helped me realize that my really unhealthy and toxic older sister _isn't_ a 2 at all, like I have thought she was for years. She has never acted like this, or had motivations like these. She might actually be an 8.
For what it's worth, Twos can go towards Eight and take on some of those characteristics. Traditionally that's been defined as a Two "going to Eight in Stress", which has a negative connotation. But I'd say that today more Enneagram people recognize that each Type can go to their "connecting points" in both healthy and unhealthy ways. So, your sister could be a Two but taking on unhealthy characteristics of an Eight.
Out of curiosity, have you watched the Eight video? Does that feel like her at all?
@@TypeCast I watched the 8 video a while ago, but I'm going to watch it again to see.
I think SHE told me she was a 2, but I see no 2 traits in her at all. She's always been very rebellious and, frankly, pretty self-focused. She doesn't love other people excessively to try to find love -- healthily OR unhealthily.
When we were young, she would do stuff like date strings of really bad boys and sneak out of the house at night, just because she wanted to defy our very strict Christian parents.
Even when she was healthy, I don't remember a time when she's been notable self-sacrificial or unusually loving by nature.
I mostly just want to understand her so I can build a healthier relationship with her.
I’d also recommend checking out the Type descriptions on the Enneagram Institute website. You can kind of skim those to get a sense of each Type. It might also be helpful to read through the “levels of health“ under each Type. Those will give you a pretty good sense of the range of healthy to unhealthy.
www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions
THIS IS AMAZING
No… you’re amazing!
If Leslie Knope is a 2 she's got one hell of a 3 wing.
I’m planning to do a video at some point that talks about how some characters are more nebulous and can embody the traits of many types. I could do an entire video about Leslie being a one, two, or three, and could make a darn good case for all of them. But with a gun to my head I think she’s a 2w3.
i love being a 2 :)
What do you love about it?
My mom is 2w1, believe me you do not want her as your mother. People always talk about how good she is and how I should thank but she is to much for me. me as a 5w4. INTP and also Gemini and leo asc. my mom is ESFJ and a capricorn with cancer asc.
my gosh why!!!
I know the pains of a difficult parent!
Did anyone else cry in the first scene or just me? One of my favorite scenes from Fellowship of the ring. Type 2 here and Im happy to be the "Sam" to my friends in my life. 💜
Behind every great Frodo is a great Sam. That last scene tho…
@@TypeCast That last scene got me all messed up this morning. 😭😭 "I can't carry it for you but I can carry you" I always wondered why I could relate to Sam so much. 😍
I’d be curious to get your opinion on my Type Two Subtypes video, if you get a chance to check it out.
@@TypeCast Just commented on there! Great video. 😱
Thanks!
Samwise gets me every time 🥺
A true and loyal friend.
i Took the test and it was confusing. the site said that i wasn't one type of ennegram and that i had to meet with an analyzer in person since it was so "hard". so im going on a video spree of the three different ones the test couldn't decide on, currectly finished 9 and 2. hope i relate to this as i did the other ones
The test is a good way to get you pointed in a general direction, but I highly recommend that you read through the Type descriptions on the Enneagram Institute website, specifically the ones in your “top three”. That might help clarify for you which one really “jumps out“.
www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions
Can someone list the books associated with this video
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It’s in the credits at the end.
What's eating Gilbert grape...Johnny dep character
I think I’ve usually seen him typed as a four, but I’ll check it out!
Samwise is for sure a SP 6
I’ve seen Samwise hotly debated, but for the purposes of this video at least his type is irrelevant. It’s just about the specific scene.
Well this just made me feel like a complete douchebag. My God.
I guess that could be good or bad, depending on what you mean by that, lolz
Samwise Gamgee is a 6 not a 2.
I’ve never read the books but I think there’s a great argument for six in the movies. However that’s not really the point. There are some places where I have intentionally used a character that is definitely not that type as an example of a different type. It’s not about “typing characters.” It’s more about using specific scenes to demonstrate something specific about each type. If that makes sense.
@@TypeCast That's fair enough. As, in one sense, everyone is every type to a greater or lesser degree
Yes. Also these scenes are depicting external behaviors. Theoretically every single type could be doing the exact same external behavior but each doing it for very different internal reasons. So I could change out the quote and have it “fit“ for any time. But obviously some scenes are much more clear than others in terms of which type they make sense for.
Your actually typed Leslie right. Congrats. Ron is an 8 though
Thanks...? This channel isn't about Typing specific characters though. It's about painting a broader picture of what each Type is all about, using select clips to demonstrate that. The "actual Type" of the character is irrelevant. In some cases I've used a character that is very much *not* that Type, but a specific clip demonstrates a certain character trait perfectly.
You have to do a version only with female characters
Why?
They don't owe you anything, man.