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Sharpener Showdown! Hapstone vs. TS PROF Kadet
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2021
- Testing two knife sharpeners, the Hapstone and a new model from TS PROF, the Kadet.
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Well being a machinist the TS-Prof has my vote. There was a lot of thought and hand work that went into it.
Also in the first use footage you can see the rod of the Hapstone wiggle around while sharpening as it is just a slim rod held with one screw at the bottom.
@@trulsdirio The camps were also flexing quite a bit too.
Not a lot of people talk about deflection but it plays a huge role in performance
Now all we need is a Walter Sorrells USA made sharpener! That would be awesome
and would be $2500..... LOL!
After using diamond stone on my home made sharpener i never touched a oil stone again.They are such hassle to flat out,diamond always stays true.200-500-800-1000-1500 grit and a leather strap and my knife is a mirror finished from dull in 10 min !No lubrication needed ,no oil mess.All i do is remove the dust from diamond stone with a old dried silicone that is used for plumbing.
which sharpener do you use? Thanx
@@kurtglo I built my own.But stones fit on most of sharpeners that you can buy.
You COMPLETELY missed one of the TSPROF's most important advantages. The TSPROF has an excellent stone thickness adjustment feature. The stone thickness adjustment feature on the Tsprof makes it super fast to adjust angle from say a diamond stone to a double sided Venev stone or strop stone. This feature alone makes it the CLEAR WINNER vs the Hapstone (yes I own both). I do agree however that the TSPROF Cadet is tippier than is preferable, makes you concentrate on letting the stones do the work vs pressing down too hard. But in the end, super fast stone thickness compensation is what gives the Kadet the nod over the Hapstone and even the TSPROF K03.....
6:38 the micro adjust has an adjustment nut holding the whole micro piece that can be used as a thickness adjustment guide. seems like they have the same functionality.
That Tsprof is gonna take my next paycheck for sure. Damn thst is some great engineering and machining.
Hope you got it and I doubt you'd be disappointed!
Incredible tool, the TSPROF...
Thanks again Walter! 😊
Thank you for this comparison, Walter! I've been wanting a nice sharpening system, but the cost of ts prof is daunting. Hapstone seems a reasonable option!
Just buy the KME
Thanks, as always, for the top shelf content. 🙌🏻
around 2:10 it is clearly to see the clamps are bending during work. are they made from plastic or metal? it reminds me at the cheap made lansky sets and it disturbs me especialy when i sharpen finer made blades. the TS-Prof system looks more stable at this position.
Wiggle-wiggle.. edge geometry not consistent so not clean cut
@@mohdzaudikhasni8829 thats what i mean
If you look closely it's a two piece design with stamped steel used near the base connection point. They have smaller capacity while milled clamps but someone in another video mentioned flexing too so I think it's a combination of those two piece clamps and the base they connect into isn't substantial enough.
I like that little knife you made, would be keen on putting that though it’s paces.
I like razor edge systems guide if u have a 4” blade or less, 2 stones I can get a scary razor fast. Been using it for years
Well Walter. Tell me please... did you work with apex-like sharpeners before you have them for the video? ))
Thanks for the review! I’ve had my eye on these.
What about performance? The Hapstone seems to have a lot of deflection in the clamps while sharpening. Have you ever tested the sharpness between the two?
I still use a gatco based on the lansky sharpener
I bought one of those cheap clone Chinese sharpeners off Aliexpress and bought 8 or 9 diamond stones (#180 - #5000) and leather strop/paste. Think the sharpener cost £18, all the stones/leather probably another £18. It gets things scary sharp, so I just don't see a point in paying a huge premium for these sharpeners. If someone wants to pay that then fair enough it's their money but just know you can get the exact same result for a fraction of the cost.
I know someone will raise the point of these sharpeners being overpriced because of the clones out there but I just don't think that's the case - companies will naturally charge as much as they can claiming to offer the best product and they also know guys don't really have a problem dropping a couple hundred on a tool, the clones make no difference.
Yup i bought those stones of ebay as well.Mine are form 200 to 1500 ,but yea you can get a knife super sharp with it and some cheap green polish paste.
I made my own sharpener thou.With rose joint and linear ball bearing.Its like a violin ,no need to push or anything.
These devices should be no more than 300 dollars tops!
I use a Wicked Edge. Works great
For general sharpening I prefer my 1000 grit Watanabe, which is like a 1000 Shapton Professional. For touch ups and a fine edge I love the 2000 grit Shapton professional. I hardly ever need to drop to anything coarser, but if I do it's the Shapton 320. Fast synthetic waterstones. Works for me.
I have those grits of Shaptons(and 5k and a 10k chosera which I use sometimes, depends on the knife). I use them on my kitchen knives and big fixed blades. Love the feel and feedback you get and a 1k or 2k Shapton edge is a pleasure to use. I've had them for over 4 years and can barely see any wear, I'm sure they'll last me for quite a long time.
The home gamer machinist in me gets real tingly at the sight of the TS. 😍
How do these types of sharpeners compare to using a paper wheel on a bench grinder with some jewelers compound?
Paper wheel (i asume you mean MDF )is making a hollow ground like on razor blades ,while these stones make V ground.
Going off of the zumbas comment, those types of wheels are usually used for stroping. That hones the edge of blades, it doesn't really remove material like oil stones and other sharpeners do.
I finally purchased the Razor Sharp Edge Making System for my bench grinder. I absolutely love it. Fast and Easy. (Detailed review on my Vital Point channel.)
Great Video.. I have a few questions.
1. Is the Hapstone the R2 model with a large table add on? 2. Can the reviewed model be ordered as configured? Price?
Thank you for the video : )
Don’t you usually sharpen on the pull stroke more than the push?
Curious why you chose to make strokes against the edge. I thought it was pretty much fact that sharpening towards the apex results in a finer edge
Plus it irritates me how he only uses like 5cm of the stone and whole stone, a lot of flattening will need to happen
As for angle, performance and accuracy in sharpening, both are equal without any difference.
The difference is only in design, and TSprof gains a little more sympathy through the more versatile system of adjusting the angle and through the quick folding system, but these details are part of the appearance and not of the sharpening performance.
But both are much better than any other sharpening systems like Wicked Edge, Work Sharp, Lansky, etc. especially since they do not contain plastic components that flambé in all directions like the Work Sharp Precision Adjust.
And KME is also a very good system, very simple, classic, only that model of the clamp does not allow sharpening at an angle of 17 or 15° the knives with small and narrow blade.
How do these work on swords?
I own the Hapstone R2. Price feature is what impressed me. Plus, the 5 year warranty is the best, IMO. I've purchased additional upgrades to my sharpener. And the storage is not that hard to figure. Get a cheap 4 pistol hard case plastic with foam lining!
Just a quick question but do you have to clamp the knife in the exact same place every time you sharpen your knife or will the angle of the grind change.
It will change.But you can always adjust it with a inclinator.I use a huawei p7 lite built in inclinator/compass.Knife doesnt care if angle is 13 or 12.5 °,some people are too bitchy about it.
Hey Walter i am a joung blacksmith from Germany and I am realy struggling with grinding and polishing my knifes do you have any tipps for me ?
Practice
@ L Taylor. I am an old knifemaker from Germany. I second the prior answer - practice.
If you want to start and are on a tight budget then try a Lansky set for sharpening. Yes not as engineered as the two presented here. Fixed angles only and without a desk fixture, you hold it in your hands, but the cost is a fraction. Join the German forum Bladcommunity - da wird Dir geholfen.
@@Rsama60 Danke wo find i h die German Blade Community
@@SchlachtschiffBismarck Du kannst auch mal in das kochmalscharf Forum reinschauen (Google kochmalscharf dann kommst du drauf) Dort findest du alles übers Schärfen und auch jede Menge andere Messermacher :-)
@@sahajasthithi Danke
I would buy that. Thanks
i’ve owned a hapstone, currently own the TSProf KO3 , and would say the tsprof is superior of hapstone ...
How do these sharpeners compare to the wicked edge sharpener?
Both look to be superior. Not having wide clamps to support larger knives is huge. Proprietary stones isn't good either, and the price is more than these. I also watched a video of a guy who bought the $600 unit and had to spend another $200 to be able to sharpen small knives without it moving in the clamp, and then that introduced another set of problems.
I think Tsprof is the best, but you also pay for it, especially with accessories. And then there is the Russia thing...
PS PROF "Профиль К03" "Profile K03" is the best. 100$ expensive, but it cost all the money
Too much flex in both Walter you are the MAN kinda suprised you didnt make your own guided rod system as I did years ago after destroying 2 edge pros through hard use...thx for your vids sir.
I didn't see any flex in the Tsprof. What time?
I have been looking for something to sharpen recurve blades like birds beak. Can't seem to do them by hand. Any ideas??
Didn't like pvc with abrasive glued on it.
Venev curved diamonds fit both Hapstone and TSProf.
Konstantin Martynenko thank you, I'll check them out. 🙏
@@timjackson5555 Also KME has a contraption that works on recurves. It's called Hewlett JewelStik 1-2-3 Diamond Hone
Bubba X thank You so much, I'll check them out.
LOL, how the Hapstone distorts under the pressure of the sharpening, it must change angle at each passage, great to have a curved edge
He press toouch, i had heavy cleaver in mine and nothing moved
Exactly! Hardly anyone ever picks up on this.
I really wish i could justify buying either of these. I just dont have a reason that would fiscally make sense for me. Guess ill have to stick with my lansky for now. Lol
The guy doing the sharpening is putting too much pressure. The knife shouldn't bounce up and down like that.
3:21 wow!
I spent countless hours using cheaper versions of these and none worked well for recurve blade shapes. Inside curves were a nightmare. Plus I'm not a fan of a flat edge geometry anymore. They do keep a nice even angle though. Thanks for the great vids.
What do you prefer?
@@leafinitup1 For several years now I've been using a slack belt grinder setup with 600, 800, and 2000 grit belts. Then I finish it off with a cotton buffing wheel loaded with polishing compound. The slack belt seems to flow right along with the recurve shapes but it took some getting used to using my off hand for half of it. I just eyeball the angle. The convex edge that it leaves seems to be more durable for the kind of things I use my knives for. They just seem to last longer without the chipping. I am definitely not an expert by any means but when it comes to sharpening a kukri or the voyager vaquero, the slack belt is my number one choice.
will they do a true 0 degree Skandi
Hapstone for me.
Hey guys I need help, I’m disabled physically, my upper body is weak as all get out, I can’t lift things over like a pound and have a hard time and get tired quite quickly doing strenuous things, I absolutely love knives and I’ve always wanted to try my hand at knife making. However with my disability I would need machines but idk what type of machines I would need besides drill press, hydraulic press, forge, grinders, some form of cutting tools to shape blades. If any of y’all could get back to me I’d really appreciate it. Thanks y’all.
Hoping someone's been able to help you out, bro... (?)
@@davestelling no they haven’t unfortunately, I appreciate the reply my dude!
Both of those "constant edge" sharpeners had slop in them making them both not so constant.
Hapstone looks to be flexing a bit. Same reason I’m looking for something other than my worksharp.
TS Prof uses a Goniometer... friggin brilliant - I used one of those on a slightly larger and more expensive scale doing Grazing Incidence X-ray Fluorescence Spectrometry on fragments of the NASA Genesis mission at Argonne Nat'l Laboratory's Advanced Photon Source (second brightest X-ray generator on earth). All in all...I can get a knife scary sharp with my old school Lansky that I bought in like 2004 - it's the same exact principle as both of these sharpening systems...just vastly cheaper and more crude...but it works...of course I can also get a knife scary sharp on Japanese water stones too. Great video Walter!
I guess I'm really in the minority here because I'm getting really sharp blades using my Worksharp Percision Sharpener and lapping films. I would love one of these systems but just can't afford them. I'm happy in my madness.
If your looking to sell either of these sharpeners especially the hapstone, hit me up.
I love these tools but once there was a beltgrinder I never used it again.
Wicked Edge Sharpeners are the best I've used.
Maybe, but you shouldn't have to dish out $1000 for the versatility you get in much cheaper sharpeners.
There is way too much flex on the holder and base of that hapstone
I'm pretty sure, people of 🇨🇳 will copy after watching this
They actually did
Nah wicked edge sharpeners and their stones are way better !!!!
For that sort of money, I can by a bench grinder and save 30 minutes per knife.
Yeah and kill the heat treat, go buys one more duck tape and wd40 billy