Natalie connected with people and was not arrogant the show of course didnt show us this because they were upset she won. Seriously only 14 confessionals for the winner and 108 for Russell thats very telling.
@@zensen1504 i disagree. most winners do have a good social game, but it’s usually strategy that earns them the title. i would say natalie only won because she was up against two deeply unlikeable people - and that’s valid!
Replay that final tribal with modern Survivor final tribal rules and Russell wins. Early Survivor had more emphasis on social game, so in that aspect Natalie > Russel.
Natalie White: STILL Holds the American Survivor Record for surviving the most tribal councils in a single season without the use of an immunity necklace or an idol.
@deanmccourt4800 Incorrect. Denise won the first individual immunity challenge thus was immune at one of her tribal councils. Natalie was never immune.
I was about to suggest Kristie Bennett with 22, then I realised you said American. Also, here's a fun statistic. Except for Marissa, every Foa Foa member that was voted out, on the night they were voted out, voted for the next ranking Foa Foa member.
Given the context Natalie White was playing in, she played a brilliant game and did exactly what she should do to win. The fault is on the show not editing her story. That would never happen today.
@066kshitizvsingh4 Natalie also orchestrated probably the most important vote of that season completely without Russell and that started the fracturing of the other tribe post merge and led to their comeback and flipping shambo. She deserves more credit than she gets for that. If we recognize Maryanne for a similar thing, a quiet game with one or maybe 2 major significant moves, we should recognize Natalie too.
@@tymonster183To be fair, she did orchestrate that vote but if it weren’t for Russell’s idol they would’ve still been pagonged anyways. But she is absolutely a deserving winner for understanding survivor at heart is a social game
@TampaBayGator20 I kind of tend to think she would have been fine. Maybe not won, but made it far either way. No one ever really wanted to go after her. All winner need a little help from their allies though. I don't think that's a knock on her at all.
@TampaBayGator20, if it weren't for Natalie, Russell wouldn't have made it to FTC or even the merge. Natalie's presence was essential to Russell staying as well as she was almost always able to divert the target from him(confirmed by cast members)
Its a shame in an alternate timeline where there is no forced firemaking Ben goes down as a massive jury threat and scrappy player prime for a second chance return (like Rick Devens) but instead...yeah.
I get why he's not included here (since this is a math thing), but Mike's entire post-merge game in Worlds Apart was just so rough and messy. The guy would've been gone time and time again without Immunity, and if he doesn't have that Idol he's legitimately gone at Final 7 (he got the most votes, then).
The thing about Mike is that I believe his endgame doesn't change much even if he didn't blew up the auction. He was still a massive target for the Rodney Alliance and they could have easily blindsided him even in the final 9 since Sierra wasn't really Mike's ally either. He got wind of it because he apparently is deceptively sneaky. freaked out but only really lost Dan due to the auction. Then he played the game that was allowed to him from then on and despite his rep, he isn't really bad strategically since he always knew who his biggest physical and jury threats were and got Carolyn to flip on Tyler when he played his immunity idol. Basically, he would have still needed to win most immunity challenges regardless.
I’m in the middle of watching worlds apart right now and after will just blew up on shirin I immediately was so grateful knowing he was the winner. So many of the people on that tribe were horrible people. Mike felt like the only one people willing to step in when others wanted to relentlessly bully others. His win is messy but I feel like he was the only one actually deserving when it got to the final 7.
the dumest argument ever i see repeatedly. the fact that everyone was targeting him and he kept winning immunities is what makes his win all the more impressive. was he supposed to not win?
Ben’s is the only win I feel really weird about because it just feels so shady. Whether it’s true or not, it feels like production wanted him to win so desperately. Ben finding all those idols and then there suddenly being a final four fire making challenge. Just very shady
What do you want to bet that, if Chrissy had gotten the most jury votes, CBS would have hidden the Finalist Idol in the studio at the finale, and told Ben both where to find it and to play it on Chrissy so that any votes cast for her would not count.
I think because he was a marine, they definitely wanted him to win. I do believe in certain advantages being handed to him and the final four fire making twist happening to save him, but I am not mad about it, he deserved to win
Natalie's feat is interesting if you think about it. When she got votes she was safe no matter what, if they tied the vote again she's immune and safe from the rock draw but since John flipped it saved her and this was the only tribal council she got votes against.
Weird to put Natalie here considering she was only in danger at 1 tribal council despite attending all but 1 of them. Let alone the fact that the numbers were 5-5 so if a deadlock happens she’d be safe Mick, Jaison, and Russel were never going to flip and Shambo flipping was unlikely while John was majorly antsy and anti rock draw
Agreed, if I remember correctly, Galu went into the tribal knowing Rocks was a possibility, so voting for Natalie was almost as if she was the one they LEAST wanted to go home!
@@OnceUponAnIslandI wouldn’t count any votes on a revote though, it seems unfair that if someone just doesn’t change their vote it means that it counts against the player. I would say she got 5 votes at that tribal and then the votes at final tribal to make it fairer
@@zacmitchell3468 Maybe percentage of votes cast would be a better way to look at it. Chris may have lost four jury votes but that was out of a huge jury. He did much better at that stage than winners who took four out of seven jurors in the early days. And six votes against Denise is not too shabby considering that a total of fifty-nine votes that could have gone against her went elsewhere.
I can just imagine Jeff and production in the back of Ghost Island happily freaking out bc a tie actually happened. GREAT TV. That season probably needed it to be considered even a decent season.
It did. That's why I don't like hearing about how Dom should have put himself in the fire competition. Aside from the fact that there's no reason to think he'd be heavily favored in fire or that he had no chance against Wendell in the jury--in the latter case he clearly did quite well--an already bland season could hardly have been improved if, rather than have two legitimate contenders in the final tribal council for a change, we'd instead watched one walk right past a pair of nobodies.
@aperson22222 The "Putting yourself in Firemaking" thing is absolute BS imo, the person won final immunity and shouldn't be made to give it up for a "BiG MoVe". Like the only times it worked(or would've worked) was Chris U and Natalie and those were Edge Seasons.
True, if Dom put himself in fire making and took Wendell out, there would have been no reason to vote, he was the clear winner against Laurel and Angela
OK someone has to tell me -- back when Jeff read the final votes live, the finalists already knew who the winner would be, right?? There's no way the players wouldn't talk amongst themselves and share their votes, right???
From what I've seen some would know others would not. They're not supposed to, but even when they watch the show back they get a good idea of who is winning.
while they probably do, the punishment for revealing the result (Im not sure what level you must reveal it at etc) is a maximum of 1 year imprisonment and 5 million dollars. Everyone signs this contract and I have never heard of anyone blatantly giving the results away, plenty other stuff has happened. Season 6 "Amazon" was marred by a betting scandal where clearly people knew that Matthew and Jenna were the final 2 and the winner was one of them
@@KingsNerdCave And even before the show airs, some people have their ways of figuring it out. Danni said she knew she had the season won before final tribal even started, because production had to reshoot the F3 tribal due to the jury loudly celebrating when they saw Danni had won final immunity, and Danielle knew she'd lost based on how long it took the jurors to cast their votes, since Aras is a much shorter name to write out
It's interesting that everyone watching EoE wanted Rick to win, I also would've been satisfied with that, yet he also was voted off. I feel like people are more forgiving of him because he was so entertaining to watch.
Devens spent 32 days in the main game, 6 on the edge and 1 eliminated proper. Chris spent 12 days in the main game and 17 on the edge. To me at least the getting voted out is less of a problem than skipping most of competitive part of the game while able to bond with the jury.
It’s completely different. Rick only missed one premerge tribal council as a result of being voted off and then won the merge challenge that Chris lost. Chris missed 9 tribal councils while on the edge and lost the first duel to get back in. Rick was actually present the whole season while Chris was basically only in the first 3 episodes and the finale
If I remember correctly, not ALL the fans were happy with Devens being in contention to win. A lot of people were rooting for either Victoria or Lauren. A lot people actually thought strategically, he wasn't playing well, but a had a forced underdog edit do to his immunity wins and idol finds. It was only after Chris came back and won that those people were, okay, maybe Devens winning WASN'T the worst outcome possible.
I always assumed that Galu voted for Natalie because they knew it would be a tie and liked her the best (she would become safe if they tied again the 2nd vote).
Mike Holloway really put his foot in his mouth over the survivor auction controversy, to the point where it killed the survivor auction 😂 But he’s still my favorite winner
A couple of opinions I would like to share about some of the people on the list Natalie: I don't think she is a bad winner because she played a game that the jury could respect compared to how Russell played. Chris: I know how a lot of people feel about his win because it would have almost been like if Lillian won Pearl Islands instead of Sandra, but that would have been worse. Even though Gavin played a more traditional game, he didn't do anything. Ben: I know his win is considered controversial because of the surprise fire making twist and there is a lot of conspiracy about how production made it so easy for him to find idols, but he played a great game! Where does Tommy Sheehan fall?
I'd actually consider Tommy a good winner, because he didn't need a single advantage or immunity win to make it that far, and it was all on the strength of his relationships with others that he ended up going all the way
natalie, top tier social game chris: he got voted out, although he had the second best endgame of all time, on a winner ranking, its really bad but hes not a bad player ben: getting saved by a twist automatically makes me rank his win at the bottom tier, but hes not a bad player, he was playing very well up until the final 7, but his endgame is terrible. also he doesnt even try to convince everyone else not to vote him out at f4 when he didnt know about the forced fire making twist tommy: top tier social game and incredible strategic game too
Interesting Fact: Russell knew he wasn't winning Samoa by talking to Shambo previous to it happening. She told him everyone pretty much hated him and that it wasn't looking good. That's why he looks so disappointed during the reunion, and after getting railed at the HvV final tribal, he basically went to both reunions knowing he was never winning anything.
So I forgot Mike from S30 was in the perfect winner vid, so before watching this I thought he was going to be on this list even though I like him as a winner and liked the season.
@@OnceUponAnIslandhow does that make any Since, oh Mike was going to get voted out but saved himself, perfect, Ben was going to get voted out but saved himself, horrible
@@memeview2566 Just math, Ben received 14 votes against him but nullified most with idols. Mike was ineligible 5 out of the 6 times he was targeted due to winning immunity and he nullified 4 votes against him when he wasn't plus 2 in the FTC. If Ben had played his idol before the vote like he did that one time then his wins would be mathematically more clean. I think both are fine as winners but I prefer Mike's win overall.
In an obscure way Chris Underwood is subjectively the best winner of the series. He really had no right in winning bc on paper, he didn’t really play much of what we know as Survivor. However, he exploited what is the least likable gimmick in the show’s history to his advantage, and did it perfectly. He is often considered one of the worse winners, but in reality fans can’t see his win for what it is. Perfect. Hate EOE all you want, Chris was only playing the hand he was dealt.
@@dashieprodx your comment sort of proves my point. There are fans that don’t look at a winners game for what it is. They can’t see it through an objective eye. Every winner is deserving. Even Bob, Fabio, Natalie White, and in this case, Chris Underwood. Chris played the hand he was dealt, and it was a difficult hand. I think you missed the point I was making.
You can’t really say he’s the best winner just because he came back to the final six with an idol and had no room for era. Nor can u say “he played the best with what he was dealt” when he literally got voted out without knowing what edge of extinction even was
To be completely fair, idols being rehidden at camp after being played has been a thing for 15+ seasons by the time Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers aired. Ben exploited that, the others clearly knew about it because of how many idols he was pulling out, and they still never decided to just stay with him or watch him to prevent him from idol hunting. Knock Ben all you want, but his dedication to finding idols is unparralleled by any other survivor player before or since.
There was no guarantee Dom would have beaten Wendell at fire, nor was there any guarantee he would lose the jury. He played it right there. It also made for better TV. If he'd done what you wanted then an already blah season ends with either he or Wendell sleepwalking past a pair of nobodies, instead of giving us a rare FTC that has multiple contenders in it.
True, if Dom put himself in fire making and took Wendell out, there would have been no reason to vote, he was the clear winner against Laurel and Angela
I feel like it wasn't until WaW, with the added Context of Natalie almost winning in the same way, when Chris's game actually got some light and became actually good? Hot take maybe, but Survivor is a social game about constantly adapting and rolling with whatever the game throws at you. Chris did just that, He figured out come Jury when he wasn't sent home, that there would be another chance to get back in the game, and spent his time on the Jury and on the Edge figuring out exactly what he needed to do to get a win, and he did it. Personally I feel like as a winner, Chris gets too much hate, from the same fan base that would have loved to see Matty, Mike or Andrea defeat Boston Rob in Redemption Island, or Ozzy make it to the end and beat Coach and Albert in SP. Part of that I feel is due to the editing. With not much going on at the Edge other than starvation, there wasn't much to show except Reem Ranting, which was fun, but going back, there's a marked Shift in Chris's game, come the merge. The moment Joe gets to the Edge, he's a much softer character, more focused on figuring out what happened at camp that led to the latest person being voted out, learning the tribe dynamics, and studying the tribal councils every night. He made the Jury feel comfortable with him on edge, and also fed into their negative feelings toward Victoria, Gavin and Julie. He made sure that the winner of the season would be someone from the edge, Lauren or Devens, and then systematically took out Lauren and Devens in such a way to guarantee his narrative that the one of those three to reach the end, would be the winner. It's such a rare game, that really could only have worked on the Edge or Redemption, and was something Ozzy had actually tried doing in South Pacific, but Chris Perfected, where he was playing Kingmaker, in order to make it to the end, propping up huge players most deserving to win, and then making sure he was the one to take them out and all eyes were on him. Thinking of it in comparison to other seasons where coming back is possible, it's like if Ozzy made it to the end with Albert and Coach, or Tina with Gervase and Monica, or hell, if Natalie had been able to somehow get Ben and Michele with her to the end of WaW. Playing from Redemption or exile, you have to change the mindset of the jury, that the players left in the game are these mighty figures, so when you return you can make a show of them being your Goliath, and Chris gets points in my book for being the only player to do that successfully, with Tina being a close second, since if she does get Monica to flip and force a tie against Gervase, there's no doubt in my mind She'd have been a two time winner. Like with Natalie White, it may not be the most respectable game, but it is the exact/perfect game he needed to play in order to win his season, and the results don't lie. Also, long comment, sorry, but I am a Chris/Ben Apologist, and have to rant. Ben too, was playing the perfect game to win his season, I don't believe in production interference for Triple H, considering Reality TV competitions need to go through approval from the network before starting when any twists are involved, so Production and the network had to be aware of F4 Fire and Revolving Idols before anyone even got to the beach, but again, hot take, Ben played a modern Johnny Fairplay game. By that I mean, at some point, he sees the writing on the wall, and pivots to being the season Heel. He's loud, rambunctious, hyperactive and unpredictable. If he's going down, he's going out swinging this season, and if he makes it to the end, he's making sure he's the only thing on that Jury's mind every night. I'm also one of those fans that hates the argument that Chrissy lost because of the stigma against villainous women in Survivor, no. Villainous women can absolutely win, Weirdly, I think Woo in Cagayan was a kingmaker in a way, where Kass did hold enough sway to win that game, I think Woo only wins against Spencer, considering Spencer didn't emotionally connect with the tribe, while Kass used people's emotions against them. The problem with Chrissy's game is twofold, one she was playing a Hantz game, and that's always a losing game, like Missy or Russell, she was just too cutthroat and in-your-face about disrespecting the jury as they left, to the point it leads into the second problem. She completely discounted Ben as a non-factor. Chrissy was so in her own head, and convinced she was going to win, that it feels like she genuinely doesn't care if Ben stays or goes, because she thinks she's playing a better game than anyone else, when the hard truth is, she was second place regardless of who wins that Firemaking challenge. If anyone complains about F4 Fire screwing someone's game, that's fine, but I truly see that particular challenge screwing Devon, far more than Chrissy. I think the only thing that changes should their plans go right and he beats Ben in fire, is that Ryan gets 0 votes, while Devon gets 6.
5:50 Despite getting so many votes, I don't think she was at danger. Foa foa staying together + Shambo voting for Laura no matter what already creates at worst case scenerio rock draw - where Natalie would've been safe
A couple of thoughts: Saying Dom needed to go to fire is revisionist history that people say after watching him (barely) loose at ftc and not seeing what happens if he makes fire. I really don't think it's sensible to count revotes in this. Counting negated votes here when you didn't for perfect games is strange. Numbers don't lie but people do and they sometimes use numbers to do it.
I did count negated votes for perfect game by making sure everyone knew about that asterik. Hence why I said it is all perspective in that video when it comes to Jeremy or Mike. But here I went with a very strict, whatever the numbers say approach. These videos are not the same despite centering on (almost) the same subject.
Adam Klein’s game was super messy as well, WaW reminded me of that. I don’t think he got as many votes cast against him as Wendell or Ben though (I can recall 5 off the top of my head). He had a great FTC though
I think it's so fun that almost everything about the game is subjective & situational to a point it's nearly unbelievable!😄 Every winner in another season/environment/social structure could be a first out to anything in between. Even player's in-game reputations are subject to this, as the eye test may have you believe someone is a "smart" "villain" character, but objectively, they could be a "dumb" "hero" type! Again, so fun!
Interesting video, but I think a percentage of eligible votes would have been more accurate. Chris was eligible for 43 votes against him and received 14, that's 32%. Natalie on the other hand was eligible for 111 and only received 10, so 9%. Makes a pretty big difference. For someone not on the list, Mike Holloway was eligible for 55 votes against and received 6 giving him almost 11%.
Natalie: I'm going to the end with Russell because he rubs people the wrong way and I can beat him. *Natalie goes to the end with Russell and wins* Survivor fans: who could have predicted Natalie would beat Russell?
At least with Ben, he played the whole game. Chris took down Devens but he was arguably carried by Devens to the Final 4. IMO, Chris is the worst, should’ve gone to Gavin.
I don't get the emphasis on Rick here cause he benefitted from EoE as well and you have to condemn him for that if you're going to condemn Chris. That being said, Chris didn't get carried by Rick at all.
Being targetted doesn’t make you a bad winner… where did that come from ?? It’s quite the opposite actually because if you manage to get yourself to the end and win despite that target it makes you tough enough And most importantly, NOT being targetted does NOT necessarily make you a good player or a good winner Sandra wasn’t targetted at all, yet she’s not a great winner So does that mean Adam is a bad winner ? Same thing for Denise
Question are you going to do a video breakdown of how Chris won the challenge USA season 2….it feels like his survivor story and honestly if it wasn’t for this season of the challenge I wouldn’t have went back to see his season
I hate the title of this video. If people are trying to vote you off they know you are a threat. If everyone is trying to vote you off and can’t then you are in a league of your own. Ben killed it.
For Ghost island i was thinking Dom was going to win and deserved to win. That being said when Wendall won he deserved the win because at the end of the day Dom didnt do the one crucial play he needed to. Vote out the second most powerful guy in the game.
Edge of extinction was a horrible season imo. It felt like whoever won their way back in had a free million. Devens played a solid game when he got back and as soon as Chris won final immunity I knew he was giving it away to beat devens personally for the extra jury credit. So predictable.
I’ll admit. I’ve never thought about this, but if you had asked me how many votes winners received I would not have guess the 4th and 5th most would only be 8
@@OnceUponAnIsland well I clearly didn’t watch the video well enough lol… still at 10 for Wendell and Nat at 4 and 5 is lower than I would have guessed. But I guess that’s how you win Survivor… no one is targeting you (except Ben who was targeted all the time)
@@lafingscarecrow no but i have enough common sense to see how reality tv works. they are interested in entertainment not fairness. having a marine hero as the winner was a better story to tell.
So I know that clearly Ben logically is one of the messiest winners of all time, but since we're going factually by numbers here I'm not sure he belongs on this list! In your video titled "The History of the Perfect Survivor Game (And Its Close Misses)" you claim that Jeremy Collins played a perfect game, despite having 3 votes cast against him, because those 3 votes didn't count due to him playing an idol. If we follow that same logic, none of Ben's idol cancelled votes should count! Obviously still a great video, but I was just thinking that as I watched
I think the difference is we're assuming the scenarios that lead to the best case scenarios for the best winners, and worst case scenarios for the worst winners. If someone negated 11 votes with idols and never received any other voted throughout the season they could still theoretically make both lists under this criteria.
I don’t think Ben should be on this list. His gameplay was risky, but it was captivating, and as he points out in the statements with the jury, nobody carried him there he got himself there. But that’s just me
Uggh this video just reminded me how much I disliked bens season, i cant think of a way that production didnt interfere with this as i really think they wanted him to win, finding 3 idols back to back is ludicrous then installing fire making to basically protect him or give him another shot it would only be more obvious if during final tribal, jeff unfurled the american flag behind him and then instigated an automatic army vets recieve 4/5 automatic jury votes
I actually disagree with Natalie being in danger at final 10. Bc foa foa had shambo for sure, especially bc laura didn’t have immunity. Meaning it would be 5-5 and 4-4 if John didn’t flip. And in a deadlock none of the foa foas would agree to vote Natalie bc this is the vote where they could truly gain the lead. Meaning if they went to rocks then Laura and nat would be safe. Also the foa foas had the advantage bc mick had immunity meaning Galu had a higher chance of picking the odd rock. Understand where your coming from tho. Just wanted to throw my opinion out there. Ok rant over 🙃
For Chris for Wendell for even Ben I can see why they won. Where as Natalie is the one person we’re for a fact Russell definitely shoulda won. I would also say the same for Amber. But since Boston Rob won Redemption Island. I’m honesty fine with it.
Because it’s ultimately a social game. You will not win if you don’t have good people skills and that’s where Russell fails every time. Again and again survivor shows that the social game outweighs the other aspects of the game. It even outweighs the strategic aspect
@@chargestone96 Do you really think that getting dragged to the end with little game input gets you a win? I mean if that’s the case then Romeo and Owen shoulda won 42 and 43
@@theggamer2824 no i dont, that is absolutely not what i said, romeo literally had no real respect and therefore his social game sucked and unlike russell maryanne was very liked by the cast Similiar applies to owen I think they beat russel any day but most almost everyone does
They did a frustrating job editing that season, but I did make a video about Nat and Russell that thoroughly explains how his gameplay caused him to lose and how she won.
You don’t even have the worst winners … to me it’s .. Todd basically almost killed him self after winning .. earl had the worst season ever .. ..worst seasons n winners season . 4 ,5 ,14, 17
@@btreese7 I guess you missed the factually part since this is just math. The worst winner is still better than the best loser. Winners are the top percentage of all players.
Look, I understand while jury was angry at Russel. Russel was always meaner than he should have been. But man, his strategic, decoy and manipulative way was so much fun. Natalie was bland as fuck and only won because jury was bitter towards Russsels arogance...which I understand. All Russel had to do to win was to be a bit more humble and own up his game. Even if loser and often a dick, he is still the one of the funniest and most enjoyable players to watch playing this game.
Russell lied to Laura and Monica in episode 8 about his idol, plus his whole fight with them both in multiple episodes. He lied to Dave Ball about saving him right before voting him out. He lied to CGI Brett about a final 3 deal right before voting him out. Natalie made friends, Russell made enemies.
Natalie is anything but the worst Survivor winner of all time. She was in a situation no contestant before or since has ever been in. She was forced to play the absolute barest bare bones of games on account of whom else was on the tribe. If she'd been a Galu, she would have been able to get away with a higher level of play. As Redemption Island proved all too well, it looks a hell of a lot easier than it really is. Oh, and did I mention that she was the _only_ Foa Foa that never advocated for Russell's elimination?
It’s pretty clear Jeremy would’ve won even without his baby being due: the jury hated Spencer’s arrogance and the way he tried to threaten Jeremy into voting Wentworth out (which was an extremely stupid move on Spencer’s part because Jeremy was going to vote her out anyways). That left a bad taste in the jury’s mouth, so there was no way he was winning
I’m not sure I agree with the counting methodology here. First, you counted votes negated by idols, which was not the case in the perfect game episode. (Jeremy’s win was counted as perfect despite needing an idol play). Seems odd that idol negated votes DO count here but not there. Also, not sure it’s fair to count revotes on ties since that effectively lengthens the game being considered. So would Jeremy’s game NOT be perfect here?
I find the backlash against Chris’ win a little sad. I understand he was voted off and traditionally should not have been eligible to remain in the competition, but when he came back into the game he played REALLY well, especially for never having met half the remaining contestants and not even being on a tribe with any of them for weeks. He was incredibly strategic and a physical powerhouse, even beating Joe to get back into the game. I wish we could have seen more air time with him, but he really seemed like a genuinely nice and likeable guy who would have been a fan favorite if he hadn’t been eliminated early on. And I have a feeling that if he had not been voted off when he did, he probably still would have managed to get very far in the game. In some alternate reality he would have been a total fan favorite and one of the best winners of all time. But in this reality people hold a twist against him that he had no control over. He was playing the game, and almost anyone would have tried their hardest to get back into the game from the edge
Chris spent 2/3 of the game with the rest of the jury on a 24/7 basis, giving him an unfair advantage that simply wasn't accessible to the other finalists.
⬆️ Precisely. Chris got to chill on the Edge making friends with his jurors and then come in at final 6 with an idol and only 3 tribals left to survive.
The jury in season 38 will forever be remembered as disgraceful for giving winning votes to someone who wasn’t even in the game, and got way to many twist benefits. Was almost the case in WaW, but thankfully, Tony was there.
I think a lot of them looked at what Chris did in the game vs. what Gavin did in the game. Chris did more in his short time in the game than Gavin did the whole time he was there
I actually wanted Gavin to win, but Chris did actually do a decent job at playing the game. He spent ages forming bonds with the jury and being a provider to them, and then the few days he had in the game he played big. I hate the EoE twist, but the jury didn't come up with it, production did. That means even if Reem had returned and somehow gotten all the voted, she would've been a worthy winner.
@@annaf7207 absolutely not. The game is outwit outplay outlast, not outtwist after being outwitted outplayed and outlasted. When you’re voted out, you lose. Plain and simple. The game is supposed to reward those who last all 39 days, not those who were booted and then got back last minute without even doing anything. It’s like winning an action game using level skip cheat codes. Also, the stuff that Chris did were solely due to this bs twist and idols hidden like Rapunzel’s hair, which is like invincibility cheat codes. ANYONE could win with twists like that.
@@alexpoage1078 no he didn’t. Production did, by handing him idols left and right after his return. The game stopped being Survivor with that disgraceful twist.
@@Ori_Kohav I guess I'll repeat myself: production came up with the twist. Personally, I don't like it, nor do I like Chris as a winner. However, if voted out players are able to return to the game, they should be able to win it. We can't diss Chris for using a shitty twist to his advantage.
If you include other versions of Survivor, the list changes. For example, in Australia, we have Kristie Bennett (13), Hayley Leake (13) and Shane Gould (14). If anyone's interested, the closest Australia has to a perfect game is Liz Parnova with 2.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Could you do a video on players (not necessarily winners) who have had the most votes against them? For example, highest score in each Australian season: 1) Nick Iadanza (19) 2) Tara Pitt (19) 3) Tegan Gasior/Sharn Coombes (16) 4) Baden Gilbert (18) 5) Jacqui Patterson (24) 6) Cara Atchinson (27) 7) Jordie Hansen (22) 8) Gerry Geltch (25)
The point of survivor is to make it to the end and get the jury to vote for you. Russell was a massive asshole who insulted and lied to nearly every single jury member. Russell played harder but Natalie played smarter and deserved the win because she actually understood the objective of survivor
No he shouldn’t have. He was voted out early on and like Ben in HvHvH, had to rely on flashy idol plays to survive later on. He wouldn’t have been AS bad as a winner as Chris was, but he still would’ve been a bad winner
Ngl imo there is only two winners who i think shouldn't have won. Natalie in season 19 and Sandra in season 20. I think Russell should have won season 19, because yeah he was terrible socially wise, he still did pretty much everything. As For Sandra, i think Russell or Parvati should have won, but i would've loved it if Colby won aswell even though he placed 5th, that would've been such an amazing redemption arc considering he was on the outs pretty much day one
The social game is too important. It’s not something you can just ignore. No matter how good you are strategically, if you don’t have what it takes to make people at least respect you then you won’t win. That’s where Russell continues to fail
@@tmm4195 can’t ignore that Parvati played a brilliant social game as well, even at the expense of Russel, Sandra really didn’t have many alliances outside of Courtney and coasted through the entire game.
shoutout to natalie white for being one of the only people to win just by being a nice person.
I think Aras outplayed Danielle for the same reason. The only one fixiated in Aras being "the leader" was Terry. The rest simply liked him.
That’s literally how most people win
Natalie connected with people and was not arrogant the show of course didnt show us this because they were upset she won. Seriously only 14 confessionals for the winner and 108 for Russell thats very telling.
@@zensen1504 i disagree. most winners do have a good social game, but it’s usually strategy that earns them the title. i would say natalie only won because she was up against two deeply unlikeable people - and that’s valid!
Replay that final tribal with modern Survivor final tribal rules and Russell wins. Early Survivor had more emphasis on social game, so in that aspect Natalie > Russel.
Natalie White: STILL Holds the American Survivor Record for surviving the most tribal councils in a single season without the use of an immunity necklace or an idol.
Tied with Denise
@deanmccourt4800 Incorrect. Denise won the first individual immunity challenge thus was immune at one of her tribal councils.
Natalie was never immune.
I was about to suggest Kristie Bennett with 22, then I realised you said American.
Also, here's a fun statistic. Except for Marissa, every Foa Foa member that was voted out, on the night they were voted out, voted for the next ranking Foa Foa member.
@@roger_towny_jr Technically, Natalie would've been immune from the rock draw. Does that not count?
@@reubenmanzo2054 No
The fact that Chris wasn't even in the game for most of the 39 days probably helped him not get votes 😂
Chris needs to be on Game Changers 2!
@@OnceUponAnIsland He definitely should have been on Winners at War. He could've had a story similar to Mochelle's that season.
@jacksonparker9022 he declined iirc
@@066kshitizvsingh4I believe that was because they called him on his wedding day. Recall reading that somewhere
The only good thing about Chris is him winning The Challenge in a dominating fashion
Given the context Natalie White was playing in, she played a brilliant game and did exactly what she should do to win. The fault is on the show not editing her story. That would never happen today.
yeah Russell took out everyone playing even a little bit. Natalie was smart to not tick him off
@066kshitizvsingh4 Natalie also orchestrated probably the most important vote of that season completely without Russell and that started the fracturing of the other tribe post merge and led to their comeback and flipping shambo. She deserves more credit than she gets for that. If we recognize Maryanne for a similar thing, a quiet game with one or maybe 2 major significant moves, we should recognize Natalie too.
@@tymonster183To be fair, she did orchestrate that vote but if it weren’t for Russell’s idol they would’ve still been pagonged anyways. But she is absolutely a deserving winner for understanding survivor at heart is a social game
@TampaBayGator20 I kind of tend to think she would have been fine. Maybe not won, but made it far either way. No one ever really wanted to go after her. All winner need a little help from their allies though. I don't think that's a knock on her at all.
@TampaBayGator20, if it weren't for Natalie, Russell wouldn't have made it to FTC or even the merge. Natalie's presence was essential to Russell staying as well as she was almost always able to divert the target from him(confirmed by cast members)
Its a shame in an alternate timeline where there is no forced firemaking Ben goes down as a massive jury threat and scrappy player prime for a second chance return (like Rick Devens) but instead...yeah.
In the other alternate timeline he puts the U the right way up and wins convincingly
And probably for a good reason
My mom was team Wendell and I was team Dominick! Still to this day we debt the result!
I get why he's not included here (since this is a math thing), but Mike's entire post-merge game in Worlds Apart was just so rough and messy. The guy would've been gone time and time again without Immunity, and if he doesn't have that Idol he's legitimately gone at Final 7 (he got the most votes, then).
The thing about Mike is that I believe his endgame doesn't change much even if he didn't blew up the auction. He was still a massive target for the Rodney Alliance and they could have easily blindsided him even in the final 9 since Sierra wasn't really Mike's ally either. He got wind of it because he apparently is deceptively sneaky. freaked out but only really lost Dan due to the auction.
Then he played the game that was allowed to him from then on and despite his rep, he isn't really bad strategically since he always knew who his biggest physical and jury threats were and got Carolyn to flip on Tyler when he played his immunity idol.
Basically, he would have still needed to win most immunity challenges regardless.
I’m in the middle of watching worlds apart right now and after will just blew up on shirin I immediately was so grateful knowing he was the winner. So many of the people on that tribe were horrible people. Mike felt like the only one people willing to step in when others wanted to relentlessly bully others. His win is messy but I feel like he was the only one actually deserving when it got to the final 7.
the dumest argument ever i see repeatedly. the fact that everyone was targeting him and he kept winning immunities is what makes his win all the more impressive. was he supposed to not win?
Ben’s is the only win I feel really weird about because it just feels so shady. Whether it’s true or not, it feels like production wanted him to win so desperately. Ben finding all those idols and then there suddenly being a final four fire making challenge. Just very shady
Final four fire making was only implemented to help Ben win. Crazy that he’s now won 10 seasons in a row!
I was going to say his second idol was even shadier than the F4 forced fire, but that was also a shady moment as well
What do you want to bet that, if Chrissy had gotten the most jury votes, CBS would have hidden the Finalist Idol in the studio at the finale, and told Ben both where to find it and to play it on Chrissy so that any votes cast for her would not count.
I think because he was a marine, they definitely wanted him to win. I do believe in certain advantages being handed to him and the final four fire making twist happening to save him, but I am not mad about it, he deserved to win
@@alexpoage1078Chrissy deserved to win
One thing that would be interesting is to explore what I call the 'imperfect game.' someone who receives no votes against them and no votes to win
Otherwise known as a goat. No one cares if they are voted out and no one wants them to win.
@@OnceUponAnIsland yeah but goats can also be the ones targeted because they are in power but just piss everyone off, so this is a type of goat yeah
sugar?
I knew Mr. Underhill would be on here. He drew far too much attention to himself.
Underhill is crazy
He’s so good though! Chip is my favourite!
“I carry nothing”
What?
Natalie's feat is interesting if you think about it. When she got votes she was safe no matter what, if they tied the vote again she's immune and safe from the rock draw but since John flipped it saved her and this was the only tribal council she got votes against.
The first ever Sole Survivor to be in that situation (no less against another female, also the first instance of that).
Weird to put Natalie here considering she was only in danger at 1 tribal council despite attending all but 1 of them.
Let alone the fact that the numbers were 5-5 so if a deadlock happens she’d be safe
Mick, Jaison, and Russel were never going to flip and Shambo flipping was unlikely while John was majorly antsy and anti rock draw
It's all math.
Agreed, if I remember correctly, Galu went into the tribal knowing Rocks was a possibility, so voting for Natalie was almost as if she was the one they LEAST wanted to go home!
@@OnceUponAnIslandI wouldn’t count any votes on a revote though, it seems unfair that if someone just doesn’t change their vote it means that it counts against the player. I would say she got 5 votes at that tribal and then the votes at final tribal to make it fairer
It's all factual. I didn't pick how many votes each player got.
@@zacmitchell3468 Maybe percentage of votes cast would be a better way to look at it. Chris may have lost four jury votes but that was out of a huge jury. He did much better at that stage than winners who took four out of seven jurors in the early days. And six votes against Denise is not too shabby considering that a total of fifty-nine votes that could have gone against her went elsewhere.
I can just imagine Jeff and production in the back of Ghost Island happily freaking out bc a tie actually happened. GREAT TV.
That season probably needed it to be considered even a decent season.
It did. That's why I don't like hearing about how Dom should have put himself in the fire competition. Aside from the fact that there's no reason to think he'd be heavily favored in fire or that he had no chance against Wendell in the jury--in the latter case he clearly did quite well--an already bland season could hardly have been improved if, rather than have two legitimate contenders in the final tribal council for a change, we'd instead watched one walk right past a pair of nobodies.
Apparently Jeff was like basically done with Ghost Island but the tie woke him up lol
@aperson22222 The "Putting yourself in Firemaking" thing is absolute BS imo, the person won final immunity and shouldn't be made to give it up for a "BiG MoVe". Like the only times it worked(or would've worked) was Chris U and Natalie and those were Edge Seasons.
@@066kshitizvsingh4 Agreed. I’m hoping that the jury having been so unimpressed with Heidi will be the end of it.
True, if Dom put himself in fire making and took Wendell out, there would have been no reason to vote, he was the clear winner against Laurel and Angela
OK someone has to tell me -- back when Jeff read the final votes live, the finalists already knew who the winner would be, right?? There's no way the players wouldn't talk amongst themselves and share their votes, right???
Most of the time players figured it out, but quite a few times they had no idea.
From what I've seen some would know others would not. They're not supposed to, but even when they watch the show back they get a good idea of who is winning.
while they probably do, the punishment for revealing the result (Im not sure what level you must reveal it at etc) is a maximum of 1 year imprisonment and 5 million dollars.
Everyone signs this contract and I have never heard of anyone blatantly giving the results away, plenty other stuff has happened.
Season 6 "Amazon" was marred by a betting scandal where clearly people knew that Matthew and Jenna were the final 2 and the winner was one of them
@@KingsNerdCave And even before the show airs, some people have their ways of figuring it out. Danni said she knew she had the season won before final tribal even started, because production had to reshoot the F3 tribal due to the jury loudly celebrating when they saw Danni had won final immunity, and Danielle knew she'd lost based on how long it took the jurors to cast their votes, since Aras is a much shorter name to write out
It's interesting that everyone watching EoE wanted Rick to win, I also would've been satisfied with that, yet he also was voted off. I feel like people are more forgiving of him because he was so entertaining to watch.
Devens spent 32 days in the main game, 6 on the edge and 1 eliminated proper. Chris spent 12 days in the main game and 17 on the edge. To me at least the getting voted out is less of a problem than skipping most of competitive part of the game while able to bond with the jury.
It’s completely different. Rick only missed one premerge tribal council as a result of being voted off and then won the merge challenge that Chris lost. Chris missed 9 tribal councils while on the edge and lost the first duel to get back in. Rick was actually present the whole season while Chris was basically only in the first 3 episodes and the finale
I truly dislike how people would've been fine with Rick winning yet be so condemning of EoE and Chris...like where is the consistency.
I think people are more forgiving since he came at the merge. Chris was voted out 3rd and came back at final 6.
If I remember correctly, not ALL the fans were happy with Devens being in contention to win. A lot of people were rooting for either Victoria or Lauren.
A lot people actually thought strategically, he wasn't playing well, but a had a forced underdog edit do to his immunity wins and idol finds.
It was only after Chris came back and won that those people were, okay, maybe Devens winning WASN'T the worst outcome possible.
I always assumed that Galu voted for Natalie because they knew it would be a tie and liked her the best (she would become safe if they tied again the 2nd vote).
Mike Holloway really put his foot in his mouth over the survivor auction controversy, to the point where it killed the survivor auction 😂
But he’s still my favorite winner
shirin killed the auction
Advantages and Shirin killed that auction
That auction was on its last legs since Cagayan
Top 10 worst survivor winners:
10. You
9. Can't
8. Call
7. Winners
6. Bad
5. Because
4. They play
3. The hand
2. They're dealt
1. Gabler
😂Even Chris who won not having to play the game??? Yeah no
@@dancegregorydance6933 Yeahhh he's not a fave of mine either haha
you dont like the alligabler?
A couple of opinions I would like to share about some of the people on the list
Natalie: I don't think she is a bad winner because she played a game that the jury could respect compared to how Russell played.
Chris: I know how a lot of people feel about his win because it would have almost been like if Lillian won Pearl Islands instead of Sandra, but that would have been worse. Even though Gavin played a more traditional game, he didn't do anything.
Ben: I know his win is considered controversial because of the surprise fire making twist and there is a lot of conspiracy about how production made it so easy for him to find idols, but he played a great game!
Where does Tommy Sheehan fall?
I'd actually consider Tommy a good winner, because he didn't need a single advantage or immunity win to make it that far, and it was all on the strength of his relationships with others that he ended up going all the way
I do find him a very boring winner compared to others. He didn’t even go to the island that Boston Rob and Sandra were on until the end of the game
natalie, top tier social game
chris: he got voted out, although he had the second best endgame of all time, on a winner ranking, its really bad but hes not a bad player
ben: getting saved by a twist automatically makes me rank his win at the bottom tier, but hes not a bad player, he was playing very well up until the final 7, but his endgame is terrible. also he doesnt even try to convince everyone else not to vote him out at f4 when he didnt know about the forced fire making twist
tommy: top tier social game and incredible strategic game too
and ben is a major weirdo and loser
Interesting Fact: Russell knew he wasn't winning Samoa by talking to Shambo previous to it happening. She told him everyone pretty much hated him and that it wasn't looking good. That's why he looks so disappointed during the reunion, and after getting railed at the HvV final tribal, he basically went to both reunions knowing he was never winning anything.
So I forgot Mike from S30 was in the perfect winner vid, so before watching this I thought he was going to be on this list even though I like him as a winner and liked the season.
Yeah, Mike winning immunities got him close to being perfect on paper. Ben using idols instead gets him here.
@@OnceUponAnIslandhow does that make any Since, oh Mike was going to get voted out but saved himself, perfect, Ben was going to get voted out but saved himself, horrible
@@memeview2566 it's just who got more votes against. Since immunities make it so that you can´t receive votes it's impossible to track that.
@@memeview2566 Just math, Ben received 14 votes against him but nullified most with idols. Mike was ineligible 5 out of the 6 times he was targeted due to winning immunity and he nullified 4 votes against him when he wasn't plus 2 in the FTC. If Ben had played his idol before the vote like he did that one time then his wins would be mathematically more clean. I think both are fine as winners but I prefer Mike's win overall.
@@memeview2566 It's math. Ben got 14 votes, Mike got 6. survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Perfect_Game
In an obscure way Chris Underwood is subjectively the best winner of the series. He really had no right in winning bc on paper, he didn’t really play much of what we know as Survivor. However, he exploited what is the least likable gimmick in the show’s history to his advantage, and did it perfectly. He is often considered one of the worse winners, but in reality fans can’t see his win for what it is. Perfect. Hate EOE all you want, Chris was only playing the hand he was dealt.
Totally. The poor lad had zero chance. Gotta love the game 😂
Chris Underwood is the best winner of Survivor Edge of Extinction.
@@dashieprodx your comment sort of proves my point. There are fans that don’t look at a winners game for what it is. They can’t see it through an objective eye. Every winner is deserving. Even Bob, Fabio, Natalie White, and in this case, Chris Underwood. Chris played the hand he was dealt, and it was a difficult hand. I think you missed the point I was making.
You can’t really say he’s the best winner just because he came back to the final six with an idol and had no room for era. Nor can u say “he played the best with what he was dealt” when he literally got voted out without knowing what edge of extinction even was
Any winner can be the subjectively best winner, that's how subjectivity works.
I think it's kinda funny Chris couldn't take out Wentworth but Wardog took both Chris and Wentworth out
I loved Edge of Extension. It was so cool to see Chris come back!
To be completely fair, idols being rehidden at camp after being played has been a thing for 15+ seasons by the time Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers aired. Ben exploited that, the others clearly knew about it because of how many idols he was pulling out, and they still never decided to just stay with him or watch him to prevent him from idol hunting. Knock Ben all you want, but his dedication to finding idols is unparralleled by any other survivor player before or since.
There was no guarantee Dom would have beaten Wendell at fire, nor was there any guarantee he would lose the jury. He played it right there. It also made for better TV. If he'd done what you wanted then an already blah season ends with either he or Wendell sleepwalking past a pair of nobodies, instead of giving us a rare FTC that has multiple contenders in it.
True, if Dom put himself in fire making and took Wendell out, there would have been no reason to vote, he was the clear winner against Laurel and Angela
I feel like it wasn't until WaW, with the added Context of Natalie almost winning in the same way, when Chris's game actually got some light and became actually good? Hot take maybe, but Survivor is a social game about constantly adapting and rolling with whatever the game throws at you. Chris did just that, He figured out come Jury when he wasn't sent home, that there would be another chance to get back in the game, and spent his time on the Jury and on the Edge figuring out exactly what he needed to do to get a win, and he did it. Personally I feel like as a winner, Chris gets too much hate, from the same fan base that would have loved to see Matty, Mike or Andrea defeat Boston Rob in Redemption Island, or Ozzy make it to the end and beat Coach and Albert in SP. Part of that I feel is due to the editing. With not much going on at the Edge other than starvation, there wasn't much to show except Reem Ranting, which was fun, but going back, there's a marked Shift in Chris's game, come the merge. The moment Joe gets to the Edge, he's a much softer character, more focused on figuring out what happened at camp that led to the latest person being voted out, learning the tribe dynamics, and studying the tribal councils every night. He made the Jury feel comfortable with him on edge, and also fed into their negative feelings toward Victoria, Gavin and Julie. He made sure that the winner of the season would be someone from the edge, Lauren or Devens, and then systematically took out Lauren and Devens in such a way to guarantee his narrative that the one of those three to reach the end, would be the winner.
It's such a rare game, that really could only have worked on the Edge or Redemption, and was something Ozzy had actually tried doing in South Pacific, but Chris Perfected, where he was playing Kingmaker, in order to make it to the end, propping up huge players most deserving to win, and then making sure he was the one to take them out and all eyes were on him. Thinking of it in comparison to other seasons where coming back is possible, it's like if Ozzy made it to the end with Albert and Coach, or Tina with Gervase and Monica, or hell, if Natalie had been able to somehow get Ben and Michele with her to the end of WaW. Playing from Redemption or exile, you have to change the mindset of the jury, that the players left in the game are these mighty figures, so when you return you can make a show of them being your Goliath, and Chris gets points in my book for being the only player to do that successfully, with Tina being a close second, since if she does get Monica to flip and force a tie against Gervase, there's no doubt in my mind She'd have been a two time winner.
Like with Natalie White, it may not be the most respectable game, but it is the exact/perfect game he needed to play in order to win his season, and the results don't lie.
Also, long comment, sorry, but I am a Chris/Ben Apologist, and have to rant.
Ben too, was playing the perfect game to win his season, I don't believe in production interference for Triple H, considering Reality TV competitions need to go through approval from the network before starting when any twists are involved, so Production and the network had to be aware of F4 Fire and Revolving Idols before anyone even got to the beach, but again, hot take, Ben played a modern Johnny Fairplay game. By that I mean, at some point, he sees the writing on the wall, and pivots to being the season Heel. He's loud, rambunctious, hyperactive and unpredictable. If he's going down, he's going out swinging this season, and if he makes it to the end, he's making sure he's the only thing on that Jury's mind every night. I'm also one of those fans that hates the argument that Chrissy lost because of the stigma against villainous women in Survivor, no. Villainous women can absolutely win, Weirdly, I think Woo in Cagayan was a kingmaker in a way, where Kass did hold enough sway to win that game, I think Woo only wins against Spencer, considering Spencer didn't emotionally connect with the tribe, while Kass used people's emotions against them. The problem with Chrissy's game is twofold, one she was playing a Hantz game, and that's always a losing game, like Missy or Russell, she was just too cutthroat and in-your-face about disrespecting the jury as they left, to the point it leads into the second problem. She completely discounted Ben as a non-factor. Chrissy was so in her own head, and convinced she was going to win, that it feels like she genuinely doesn't care if Ben stays or goes, because she thinks she's playing a better game than anyone else, when the hard truth is, she was second place regardless of who wins that Firemaking challenge. If anyone complains about F4 Fire screwing someone's game, that's fine, but I truly see that particular challenge screwing Devon, far more than Chrissy. I think the only thing that changes should their plans go right and he beats Ben in fire, is that Ryan gets 0 votes, while Devon gets 6.
At 7:11 it Vytas!
5:50 Despite getting so many votes, I don't think she was at danger. Foa foa staying together + Shambo voting for Laura no matter what already creates at worst case scenerio rock draw - where Natalie would've been safe
I never watched all the the seasons of survivor
For ghost island i predicted either wendell or Dominic was gonna win this season from episode 1!!
wendell is such a loser tho
Do you have the stats on who had the most votes cast against them in a single season? I would think Russell and Ozzy would be up there.
Karishma in S39 with 22 votes
@@ksl9252 wow! I would've thought Ozzy getting voted off 3 times would've been more but 22 is a lot. Thanks!
The math doesn't lie, Ben.
Ben is such a loser tho
A win is a win...
A couple of thoughts:
Saying Dom needed to go to fire is revisionist history that people say after watching him (barely) loose at ftc and not seeing what happens if he makes fire.
I really don't think it's sensible to count revotes in this.
Counting negated votes here when you didn't for perfect games is strange.
Numbers don't lie but people do and they sometimes use numbers to do it.
I did count negated votes for perfect game by making sure everyone knew about that asterik. Hence why I said it is all perspective in that video when it comes to Jeremy or Mike. But here I went with a very strict, whatever the numbers say approach. These videos are not the same despite centering on (almost) the same subject.
Yeah, Chris and Ben definitely are too two messiest. But I would put Chris as number one since he did get voted out and had to come back
Adam Klein’s game was super messy as well, WaW reminded me of that. I don’t think he got as many votes cast against him as Wendell or Ben though (I can recall 5 off the top of my head). He had a great FTC though
One of the reasons Natalie was also voted for was because of the possibility of rocks and they actually liked Natalie the most lol.
Tbh Nat is my fav winner because of how ‘wrong’ it was. She and Chris U have my fav wins.
I love a contrarian ❤
I think it's so fun that almost everything about the game is subjective & situational to a point it's nearly unbelievable!😄
Every winner in another season/environment/social structure could be a first out to anything in between.
Even player's in-game reputations are subject to this, as the eye test may have you believe someone is a "smart" "villain" character, but objectively, they could be a "dumb" "hero" type!
Again, so fun!
Ben should’ve had 5 more votes but that unprecedented rule change at final 6 saved him from that stat even if he still lands at 1
And even more if he played that one idol at the usual time and not before they voted. Wild!
@@OnceUponAnIsland What I don't understand is what prompted Ben to play the idol before the votes were even cast?
When driving a truck, you always have to remember that the back end exists.
Interesting video, but I think a percentage of eligible votes would have been more accurate. Chris was eligible for 43 votes against him and received 14, that's 32%. Natalie on the other hand was eligible for 111 and only received 10, so 9%. Makes a pretty big difference. For someone not on the list, Mike Holloway was eligible for 55 votes against and received 6 giving him almost 11%.
Natalie: I'm going to the end with Russell because he rubs people the wrong way and I can beat him.
*Natalie goes to the end with Russell and wins*
Survivor fans: who could have predicted Natalie would beat Russell?
It shouldn't have been Laurel's vote....they should have tried a re-vote first, like they do with a tie at a normal tribal
At least with Ben, he played the whole game. Chris took down Devens but he was arguably carried by Devens to the Final 4. IMO, Chris is the worst, should’ve gone to Gavin.
I don't get the emphasis on Rick here cause he benefitted from EoE as well and you have to condemn him for that if you're going to condemn Chris. That being said, Chris didn't get carried by Rick at all.
Chris was carried by a bs twist and idols hidden worse than Pinocchio’s nose
No
Being targetted doesn’t make you a bad winner… where did that come from ??
It’s quite the opposite actually because if you manage to get yourself to the end and win despite that target it makes you tough enough
And most importantly, NOT being targetted does NOT necessarily make you a good player or a good winner
Sandra wasn’t targetted at all, yet she’s not a great winner
So does that mean Adam is a bad winner ? Same thing for Denise
It's all math.
Question are you going to do a video breakdown of how Chris won the challenge USA season 2….it feels like his survivor story and honestly if it wasn’t for this season of the challenge I wouldn’t have went back to see his season
That's a great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make. 03:09
I hate the title of this video. If people are trying to vote you off they know you are a threat. If everyone is trying to vote you off and can’t then you are in a league of your own. Ben killed it.
This is an objective look at the "worst" winners. The check cashes the same whether it is pretty or not.
Funny how 35, 36, and 38 are all on the list
It absolutely blows my mind how Chrissy didn’t win !!!
Maybe because she isn’t good
She was nasty. Started out rooting for her but then she turned into a jerk
i’m so glad wendall is on this list. i can’t remember anything he did. meanwhile i remember all the moves dom made
This is just math.
For Ghost island i was thinking Dom was going to win and deserved to win. That being said when Wendall won he deserved the win because at the end of the day Dom didnt do the one crucial play he needed to. Vote out the second most powerful guy in the game.
My question is how does this light change if negated votes don’t count?
What’s more impressive though? Those who won and never been targeted like JT or those who always have a target on their back but still managed to win?
Edge of extinction was a horrible season imo. It felt like whoever won their way back in had a free million. Devens played a solid game when he got back and as soon as Chris won final immunity I knew he was giving it away to beat devens personally for the extra jury credit. So predictable.
I’ll admit. I’ve never thought about this, but if you had asked me how many votes winners received I would not have guess the 4th and 5th most would only be 8
Wendell and Nat have 10 against them. Everyone here reached double digits.
@@OnceUponAnIsland well I clearly didn’t watch the video well enough lol… still at 10 for Wendell and Nat at 4 and 5 is lower than I would have guessed. But I guess that’s how you win Survivor… no one is targeting you (except Ben who was targeted all the time)
Honestly Ben was one of my favorite winners, just clawing his way to victory despite being priority target #1
that's Mike Holloway, not Ben who was handed idols.
Claw his way? Lmao, he was literally handed the win by production.
@@rezoannur2333 oh so you saw production give ben those idols with a little bow on it? is that what you saw pal?
@@lafingscarecrow no but i have enough common sense to see how reality tv works. they are interested in entertainment not fairness. having a marine hero as the winner was a better story to tell.
@@rezoannur2333 whatever you wanna say to make yourself feel better, that's alright
So I know that clearly Ben logically is one of the messiest winners of all time, but since we're going factually by numbers here I'm not sure he belongs on this list! In your video titled "The History of the Perfect Survivor Game (And Its Close Misses)" you claim that Jeremy Collins played a perfect game, despite having 3 votes cast against him, because those 3 votes didn't count due to him playing an idol. If we follow that same logic, none of Ben's idol cancelled votes should count! Obviously still a great video, but I was just thinking that as I watched
That's a different video where I mention it is viewer discretion on whether they count negated votes or not. Here I went very strict and factual.
I think the difference is we're assuming the scenarios that lead to the best case scenarios for the best winners, and worst case scenarios for the worst winners. If someone negated 11 votes with idols and never received any other voted throughout the season they could still theoretically make both lists under this criteria.
@@dashieprodx If someone won with 11 negated votes it'd be funny to see them on both lists lol
@@frianfrias I can just imagine them flipping everyone off every time they win immunity. I know I'd do that
I was expecting Fabio and Bob on the list but I guess they weren’t super messy based on these statistics
Fabio, Bob, and Mike are mostly just saved by surprise challenge domination.
ben's chaos is what makes him my fav tbh
How does Yam-Yam stack up on this list?
Check out the link in the description for the perfect game.
These are some of my favorite contestants!
I don’t think Ben should be on this list. His gameplay was risky, but it was captivating, and as he points out in the statements with the jury, nobody carried him there he got himself there. But that’s just me
This is all math.
Wendell? Bruh what the hell
I'm not sure what is confusing?
Repeat after me:
Ben
Does not count
Ahhh Tina Wesson has to be a mile worse than any of these players
Uggh this video just reminded me how much I disliked bens season, i cant think of a way that production didnt interfere with this as i really think they wanted him to win, finding 3 idols back to back is ludicrous then installing fire making to basically protect him or give him another shot
it would only be more obvious if during final tribal, jeff unfurled the american flag behind him and then instigated an automatic army vets recieve 4/5 automatic jury votes
Feel like Mike Holloway has to be ranked prettty high on this
He was only 6 votes off. survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Perfect_Game
I can't believe you don't got Michele on this list. She was good in waw but so lucky to have won in 32
It's all math. She only had 4 votes against her. Everyone here hit double digits. survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Perfect_Game
bruh she doesn’t fit into this video at all lol
the post merge of HvHvH was so frustrating to watch. The way Ben keeps finding these damn idols made me waana kill my self at that time lmao
I actually disagree with Natalie being in danger at final 10. Bc foa foa had shambo for sure, especially bc laura didn’t have immunity. Meaning it would be 5-5 and 4-4 if John didn’t flip. And in a deadlock none of the foa foas would agree to vote Natalie bc this is the vote where they could truly gain the lead. Meaning if they went to rocks then Laura and nat would be safe. Also the foa foas had the advantage bc mick had immunity meaning Galu had a higher chance of picking the odd rock. Understand where your coming from tho. Just wanted to throw my opinion out there. Ok rant over 🙃
She was actually in danger every single time she went. The only immunity she ever won was tribal.
@@AllRequired I just mean in danger by ppl wanting to put a majority vote on her
For Chris for Wendell for even Ben I can see why they won. Where as Natalie is the one person we’re for a fact Russell definitely shoulda won.
I would also say the same for Amber. But since Boston Rob won Redemption Island. I’m honesty fine with it.
Because it’s ultimately a social game. You will not win if you don’t have good people skills and that’s where Russell fails every time. Again and again survivor shows that the social game outweighs the other aspects of the game. It even outweighs the strategic aspect
She won because he sucks
She became the only viable option because of who she was sitting with
@@chargestone96 Do you really think that getting dragged to the end with little game input gets you a win?
I mean if that’s the case then Romeo and Owen shoulda won 42 and 43
@@theggamer2824 no i dont, that is absolutely not what i said, romeo literally had no real respect and therefore his social game sucked and unlike russell maryanne was very liked by the cast
Similiar applies to owen
I think they beat russel any day but most almost everyone does
I just re watched Samoa man that Natalie win is super frustrating. Say what you want about Russell but that guy revolutionized the game.
They did a frustrating job editing that season, but I did make a video about Nat and Russell that thoroughly explains how his gameplay caused him to lose and how she won.
@@OnceUponAnIsland oh awesome I’ll have to check it out! Yeah the editing was definitely noticeable 😂
You don’t even have the worst winners … to me it’s .. Todd basically almost killed him self after winning .. earl had the worst season ever .. ..worst seasons n winners season . 4 ,5 ,14, 17
Dee was a terrible winner aswell
Why does getting votes in tribal make you a bad winner? It means people knew you were a threat and TRIED to vote you out but failed.
I never said it made them a bad winner. All winners deserve their win.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I must have misunderstood the title "Worst Survivor Winners of All Time" then....
@@btreese7 I guess you missed the factually part since this is just math. The worst winner is still better than the best loser. Winners are the top percentage of all players.
Still like ben
Look, I understand while jury was angry at Russel. Russel was always meaner than he should have been. But man, his strategic, decoy and manipulative way was so much fun. Natalie was bland as fuck and only won because jury was bitter towards Russsels arogance...which I understand. All Russel had to do to win was to be a bit more humble and own up his game.
Even if loser and often a dick, he is still the one of the funniest and most enjoyable players to watch playing this game.
Natalie won because she made friends with the jury while Russell was openly hostile with them.
Russell lied to Laura and Monica in episode 8 about his idol, plus his whole fight with them both in multiple episodes. He lied to Dave Ball about saving him right before voting him out. He lied to CGI Brett about a final 3 deal right before voting him out. Natalie made friends, Russell made enemies.
Natalie is anything but the worst Survivor winner of all time. She was in a situation no contestant before or since has ever been in.
She was forced to play the absolute barest bare bones of games on account of whom else was on the tribe. If she'd been a Galu, she would have been able to get away with a higher level of play. As Redemption Island proved all too well, it looks a hell of a lot easier than it really is.
Oh, and did I mention that she was the _only_ Foa Foa that never advocated for Russell's elimination?
Gabler and Sandra 2.0 are pretty messy
Gabler only got 1 vote against him, craziness.
Ok jeremy for season 31 should not have won cuz spencer deserved it but jeremy talked about his upcoming kid hence the jury pitied him but ok....
It’s pretty clear Jeremy would’ve won even without his baby being due: the jury hated Spencer’s arrogance and the way he tried to threaten Jeremy into voting Wentworth out (which was an extremely stupid move on Spencer’s part because Jeremy was going to vote her out anyways). That left a bad taste in the jury’s mouth, so there was no way he was winning
ben is my LEAST favorite winner also...
I’m not sure I agree with the counting methodology here. First, you counted votes negated by idols, which was not the case in the perfect game episode. (Jeremy’s win was counted as perfect despite needing an idol play). Seems odd that idol negated votes DO count here but not there. Also, not sure it’s fair to count revotes on ties since that effectively lengthens the game being considered. So would Jeremy’s game NOT be perfect here?
I find the backlash against Chris’ win a little sad. I understand he was voted off and traditionally should not have been eligible to remain in the competition, but when he came back into the game he played REALLY well, especially for never having met half the remaining contestants and not even being on a tribe with any of them for weeks. He was incredibly strategic and a physical powerhouse, even beating Joe to get back into the game. I wish we could have seen more air time with him, but he really seemed like a genuinely nice and likeable guy who would have been a fan favorite if he hadn’t been eliminated early on. And I have a feeling that if he had not been voted off when he did, he probably still would have managed to get very far in the game. In some alternate reality he would have been a total fan favorite and one of the best winners of all time. But in this reality people hold a twist against him that he had no control over. He was playing the game, and almost anyone would have tried their hardest to get back into the game from the edge
Chris spent 2/3 of the game with the rest of the jury on a 24/7 basis, giving him an unfair advantage that simply wasn't accessible to the other finalists.
⬆️ Precisely. Chris got to chill on the Edge making friends with his jurors and then come in at final 6 with an idol and only 3 tribals left to survive.
The jury in season 38 will forever be remembered as disgraceful for giving winning votes to someone who wasn’t even in the game, and got way to many twist benefits. Was almost the case in WaW, but thankfully, Tony was there.
I think a lot of them looked at what Chris did in the game vs. what Gavin did in the game. Chris did more in his short time in the game than Gavin did the whole time he was there
I actually wanted Gavin to win, but Chris did actually do a decent job at playing the game. He spent ages forming bonds with the jury and being a provider to them, and then the few days he had in the game he played big. I hate the EoE twist, but the jury didn't come up with it, production did. That means even if Reem had returned and somehow gotten all the voted, she would've been a worthy winner.
@@annaf7207 absolutely not. The game is outwit outplay outlast, not outtwist after being outwitted outplayed and outlasted. When you’re voted out, you lose. Plain and simple. The game is supposed to reward those who last all 39 days, not those who were booted and then got back last minute without even doing anything. It’s like winning an action game using level skip cheat codes.
Also, the stuff that Chris did were solely due to this bs twist and idols hidden like Rapunzel’s hair, which is like invincibility cheat codes. ANYONE could win with twists like that.
@@alexpoage1078 no he didn’t. Production did, by handing him idols left and right after his return. The game stopped being Survivor with that disgraceful twist.
@@Ori_Kohav I guess I'll repeat myself: production came up with the twist. Personally, I don't like it, nor do I like Chris as a winner. However, if voted out players are able to return to the game, they should be able to win it. We can't diss Chris for using a shitty twist to his advantage.
I Think Chris has Definitely Proved himself after he went on the challenge USA season 2 please do a episode on Chirs and his journey on television
Great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make.
The worst winners of all time are by far Natalie and Maryanne
I wonder which players (in general) played the messiest games ever.
Here is a list! www.truedorktimes.com/survivor/boxscores/vap-season.htm
And here is by their career - www.truedorktimes.com/survivor/boxscores/vap-career.htm
Chris is the worst winner of all time, easily.
If you include other versions of Survivor, the list changes. For example, in Australia, we have Kristie Bennett (13), Hayley Leake (13) and Shane Gould (14).
If anyone's interested, the closest Australia has to a perfect game is Liz Parnova with 2.
Good to know.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Could you do a video on players (not necessarily winners) who have had the most votes against them?
For example, highest score in each Australian season:
1) Nick Iadanza (19)
2) Tara Pitt (19)
3) Tegan Gasior/Sharn Coombes (16)
4) Baden Gilbert (18)
5) Jacqui Patterson (24)
6) Cara Atchinson (27)
7) Jordie Hansen (22)
8) Gerry Geltch (25)
I don't cover international Survivor. The few videos I made all flopped. But I would be willing to watch someone else cover the shows.
I do have a video on Nick Iadanza though.
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Russell should have won. he actually played the game.
But he angered the jury along the way.
The point of survivor is to make it to the end and get the jury to vote for you. Russell was a massive asshole who insulted and lied to nearly every single jury member. Russell played harder but Natalie played smarter and deserved the win because she actually understood the objective of survivor
Chris and Ben are number 1 and 2 for me. Ignoring math, Mike, Bob, and Fabio would make the list for me too
Chris is one of the best for me
It's because Wendell is black
Ben’s win personifies everything wrong with modern Survivor. You could play a perfect game only to get idoled out in one of the last rounds.
Dominic should have won
Rick Devens should have won that season.
No he shouldn’t have. He was voted out early on and like Ben in HvHvH, had to rely on flashy idol plays to survive later on. He wouldn’t have been AS bad as a winner as Chris was, but he still would’ve been a bad winner
At the end of the day, I'll always respect who the jury chooses as a winner but Natalie still should not have won that season lol
Ngl imo there is only two winners who i think shouldn't have won.
Natalie in season 19 and Sandra in season 20.
I think Russell should have won season 19, because yeah he was terrible socially wise, he still did pretty much everything.
As For Sandra, i think Russell or Parvati should have won, but i would've loved it if Colby won aswell even though he placed 5th, that would've been such an amazing redemption arc considering he was on the outs pretty much day one
I was going to say this. I couldn’t believe Sandra won heros vs villians!
The social game is too important. It’s not something you can just ignore. No matter how good you are strategically, if you don’t have what it takes to make people at least respect you then you won’t win. That’s where Russell continues to fail
@@tmm4195he still should've won despite that
@@tmm4195his path to the end was way better and more dominant than Sandra and even Parvati
@@tmm4195 can’t ignore that Parvati played a brilliant social game as well, even at the expense of Russel, Sandra really didn’t have many alliances outside of Courtney and coasted through the entire game.