hangman is a weird game
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- an analysis of the two player asymmetric adversarial pencil and paper word guessing game hangman
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0:00 intro
0:18 part one: what hangman is
2:33 part two: winning at hangman
9:10 part three: cheating at hangman
13:03 part four: hangman is a weird game
18:37 part five: conclusion
We all knew that good guy who put a smilie face, hair, clothes until you got it
Ofc i know him. He's me
HappyBalaga you angel
All my teachers would start with the 5 strokes, then add hair, a piece of headgear, smile, eyes, nose, shoes, and (if the stick figure was supposed to be a girl) one accessory like a hairtie
that was me
I did that
"the guesser"
oh ok that name makes sense
"the EXECUTIONER"
oh ok
I'm sensing a difference in severity here...
It went from 1 to 100 REALLY FAST
Well he isn't wrong, since the goal of the executioner is to hang the hangman¯\_(ツ)_/¯
www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-game-hangman
my dumb ass: the guesser and the guessee
I like the idea that "winning" as the executioner isn't a "I drew the person you lose", it's more of "I got to spend 20 minutes doodling a super detailed person before you finally got it" like the number of lines isn't the guesser's lives, it's the executioner's score.
“I was able to give this dying man a backstory, a home, a family, and you STILL haven’t learned that the word was ‘jizz’!”
@@WuhHuh🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
@@twelved4983what jazz is called in the Star Wars universe, clearly (no but for real, that's the canon name for that type of music in those films 💀)
Who draws a detailed person dawg that’s just odd
what
My school banned hangman due to the nature of hanging someone, so a group of students created a new word guessing game called: "Car crash"
How do you play car crash?
Man I wish there was a way to make driving more fun
A children's spelling game:
@@rock12419 You just gotta love a child's imagination.
We should publicly shame schools that ban Hangman. SCHOOLS OFFICALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO BAN HANGMAN.
@@mako8091You gotta thank the abusive parents for that
Note to self: Never play hangman with this guy
i am surprissed that this man can talk about hangman for 19 minutes straight.
@@blauwbeer556 ikr
*distracts you by going into a 19-minute rant on the game, then proceeds to destroy you when you've forgotten completely what you thought the word was.*
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@@blauwbeer556 That's why I clicked on this video
"A teacher takes the role of executioner"
classic
bruh
My god I love Danganronpa.
Monokuma
If that doesn't describe school in a nutshell, nothing can.
The executioner serves a role, not as a competitor, but as a sort of _game master_ . It's the same idea as a person creating a puzzle for another person to solve. You want to give them a challenge but you also want to see them overcome that challenge. Except for in this case, the puzzle requires another entity to facilitate it, be it a person or computer. It's like the game Mastermind (or Wordle for a more relevant example), where you have to guess the colors or letters in an order, but you need something or someone else to track the puzzle for you since that requires knowing the solution already.
it's like a challenge lock in locksport. Hangman is a puzzle game in disguise as a word guessing game.
It’s kind of like dungeons and dragons. If the dungeon master really wanted to “win” they could just make something impossible to beat, or come up with something on a whim whenever the party was doing well, just like hangman. But that would be no fun.
You don't need another person. The solution is literally the paper and pencil, the 'word' MUST be written down BEFORE the round starts by the executioner. It is that easy. The executioner can't change the word if it has already been written down and put aside out of view of the guesser.
@@menoobslayer you need the other person to tell the guesser if they make correct guesses or not because there'd be no way for them to check without spoiling the solution.
But yes, using a piece of paper does help curb the executioner from cheating. The idea, though, is that this isn't the kind of game executioner would benefit from cheating because they *want* the guesser to win, unless the executioner is the type that has fun annoying others. I tend to avoid those people lmao
I would argue that it is an extremely boring game that is only fun at the intersection of "terminally bored" and "have nothing but paper and a pencil and a friend." Which means that there is an incentive to make the game entertaining for both parties. After all, you are always 6 guesses away from being the new "game master." If they try to eff you with some BS, you either quit or do the same thing back.
I would say that one thing he claimed isn't true. Winning as the executioner IS fun. But it's so idiotically easy to cheat that nobody would do it. Unless money is involved, cheating is only fun when it's difficult and adds an element of risk. People wouldn't only think you are a dick for cheating, they might even think of you as just a generally pathetic human being.
So playing fairly and still winning makes you feel clever. You created a mini puzzle for yourself-- Given an arbitrary set of personal rules for what words are fair, which word would be difficult to guess?
In my elementary school we played this as “Flower”. Every time a student got an answer wrong the teacher would erase a petal from the flower they drew on the board. We went until there were no more petals left or someone won.
Guess it's better than "Loves me, Loves me not".
We played as massacre, every time we got an letter wrong we killed someone in real life, and we only could use big complex words
Alternative title: Most efficient way to lose all your friends
Nah, that game ain't mario party
This isn't Uno...
This is not mario kart
Yes but this is a strategy to always win at one of the simplest games. That's why technically it's the most efficient
Or the most efficient way to have your mom disown you
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i'm now the world's best hangman player
Hi cary key hole
*Top 10 most ambitious crossovers*
The AwesomePanda1 Lance
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Multiple times i legit did the word "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" just to make people hate me.
There was a trend in my 5th grade class to use the word "rhombicosidodecahedron" as the hangman word. Unfortunately after two uses, the guessers won before all the blanks were drawn
geometry, biology and chemistry are the king dictionaries for hangman
spherical pentagonal icosikaitetrahedron
stella octangula
*makes the word rhombicosidodecahedrons*
The “there’s a better word than jazz by just changing the vowel” joke is underrated
What does it mean ?
That word is probably zippers.
@@dextreme7186 hmm yes.. you very clearly *just* changed the vowel.
Juzz
Never let them know you next move
@@beanids Jozz
"hangman is a game that everyone has played, but no one knows the rules to"
uno:
[tehe] lmao
Uno has caused so many arguments for me. Nobody reads the rules. For dos, you kind of have to
I-I read the rules....
But I forget oopsie ( ✌︎'ω')✌︎ ♪(´ε｀ )
Uno is so confusing
Like I'm just playing a normal game of uno, then outta nowhere my opponent throws a 0 (let's say it's blue) and then they put all their blue cards down.
I ask where tf they heard that rule from, and they said its common and that's how we play the game.
Somebody PLEASE tell me if they ever heard that rule and if yes, if it was ever common.
BECAUSE I JUST SAW IT AS A WAY TO CHEAT AND PUT MORE CARDS DOWN LIKE NO SARAH, PUT THOSE CARDS INTO THAT DANG PILE YOU CHEATER!!
@@ora2488 that's definitely cheating oh my god! XDD and I actually have read the rules and actually have a screenshot of the official (Mattel) Uno rules to reference when playing with non family members because seriously, no one plays the same rules (tho "house-rules" do make it more interesting sometimes)
Years ago, I played this with my granny on a roadtrip and she couldn't guess the word "camera".
I ended up giving the hangman hair, shoes, a face, a purse, and I realised I totally skipped over the letters she guessed right because I was so focussed on dressing it up 😅
it's ironic how most childhood games or rhymes are based on tragedy.
london bridge is falling down
hangman
ring around the rosy
jack and jill
'cooties' was coined from kutu, which is a parasitic bug.
it really makes you think about the origin of these rhymes/games and why they became so popular for children.
Humpty Dumpty as well.
Humans are a really pessimistic species and that's what they are teaching to their offsprings.
So cooties ARE a thing then. 2 yo me right all along!!!
sorta makes sense tho. children are nowhere near as aware of tragedy or suited to it so they find unorthodox ways of dealing with it.
@@JaxontheOkay i asked this to my mom and she said that this is to warn children about the consequences of misdeeds and keep them from committing mistakes or doing certain mishaps.
I think it probably started as a sort of educational tool, particularly in a largely illiterate society, in a similar way to oral traditions of storytelling about important events like battles.
For example, as a fun way to learn about historical events or to help understand key information about a current event that might be scary otherwise. We still do this sort of thing now to a certain extent, for instance learning songs at school to learn a certain topic or children's books about covid.
I always thought the "don't be a dick" rule was generally universal
they always start out with "I always thought..."
Mazarin IV
I’m kinda confused but it’s still funny.💀
@@mazarinivmikeoxlong-dedica969 ?
If only!
If someone uses joyousness I’m slapping the shit out of them.
> "I've been thinking about hangman a lot recently,"
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are you okay
That's something jschlatt would post on his community tab tbh
@@avo1675 "Thinking about hanging men."
Buster wolf
Quarantine takes a lot out of you
it’s quarantine
Fhqwgads will always be a real word in our hearts.
its also a homestar runner reference
@@MarshuChan KyafwonyA
I remember finding an animated yt video about a murder mystery and how the man hanged himself. My mom saw it and told me not to watch it because she thought I would be encouraged to do it. Later, I went on cool math games and played hangman, and I kept thinking, "OMG if mom finds out she'll kill me." Then one day she was like, "Oh Nika, do you know the game Hangman?" I was in pure shock🤣
😂😂😂
I love how he just says "VHQWHGADS" perfectly
Kiptops time stamp?
rry
Serella & BitterJoy 2:18
FHQWHGADS*
No offense
I’ve never seen hangman done with anything other than a man being hanged, even in a classroom.
my German teacher in primary school thought the hanged man will give us nightmares so she drew a hanged spider
@@fdsjdhebjcs6726 funny, never heard of someone having nightmares because of this, it's kinda of weird if you think about it, the game idea is really brutal after all.
@@oscarchavezavellan2738 No it's not. Look at human history. People today are just spoiled and used to living in peace. Never witnessing violence and death. If the game "hangman" is disturbing to you, then I have some bad news for you.
@@WhoopsieDayZ hahaha disturbing wouldn't be the word, for me it's just curious how such a brutal concept of a game could survived within a world that's becoming more and more sensible. I meant weird precisely because how sensible we're nowadays, I'd understand this kind of games in another era, but it's weird how it could survived without a major change in this time. Btw, I've read berserk so this game is faaar away to be disturbing for me, I only think it's funny how a game with such a brutal concept is still considered a game for kids and nobody really thinks how dark the idea of the game is.
In my elementary school we called it “Build-A-Man”
My mother once, without realizing where she was, picked up a small half-pencil and a peice of paper and loudly asked "ANYBODY WANNA PLAY HANGMAN?!" in an effort to cheer up my brother...in the mental hospital! We were surrounded by teenagers being visited by their parents in a very quiet visitor room. Some had clearly tried to hurt themselves. My mom didn't realize how inappropriate it was until she said it out loud. My brother is doing great now and we still tease my mom for it but at the time my then-partner and I just facepalmed hard.
this is so funny lmao im late
(Some teen raises hand) "I have already played this game and it didn't end well"
To emphasize just how non-standardized the game is, you saying that you draw the gallows first was bewildering to me because I’d always played it where the executioner had to draw the gallows as well, giving the guesser four extra guesses in the process.
Brb about to win some hangman
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wasnt expecting to see you here
Do Hurrian Hymn 6
Now make hangman a song
henlo
in primary school my teacher would draw clothes, hair, and a big smile on the stickman when we weren’t getting the word
A man geting hanged with a big smile in front of primary schoolers...... great teatcher
@@nej.1190 the stickman wasn't getting hanged I'm guessing. I think the commenter meant to say they weren't getting hanged but instead they were on the floor
@@collideascopeii lol
@@nej.1190 bro what was he supposed to be crying n screaming tf
@@footlover9416 good piont but i seriously think that it would be better to teach children that getting haged is bad and not good. Or just not play a game where if the childern guess the letters wrong the teacher kills a man.
"You won't be able to convince them that's how hangman works, but the rules are vague enough that you can convince them that you *think* that's how hangman works"
Never has someone so succinctly explained trolling/concern trolling before
Or uno
In Portuguese we use til and accents in a lot of words and when we play hangman we tend to include them when the player says the original letter like the word Não (no) if a player says "A" we mark it as à because it wouldn't make sense to play it otherwise. we also have "ç" which is it's own letter but we consider when people says "C"
Is "ç" is normaly spelled like when you put a "ch" in a word?
@@Muho_is_me no its more like a SSS like SAo
That's really interesting, thank you for sharing!
No, Ch sounds more like "sh" as in "fashion". Ç sounds like S.@@Muho_is_me
I've literally never considered how morbid the game is. I just accepted it
Same.
It's that game where we all know from young.
that actually make us think about the psychology of a human. will he accept killing because everybody deqls with it like it's normal ? humans are weird sometimes
@@Koptous I think because whenever we think about hangman, (the kind with the trap device and everything) its seen as that person doing a crime, something criminal. So if we instead not use that device and used a tree instead, we'd be sympathetic because the man killed himself.
yeah same
My schools didn’t “censor” it when we played. Gallows were almost always included
Gallows was the only required rule at my school.
Mine neither.
Mine neither
idk why, but our hang man loses were to make the hangman's limbs be set on fire or to be cut.
Very dark now that I think about it. Like those soldiers using war slaves as target practices
Simón Aguilar jesus christ
I've always thought of Hangman like if the guy hangs then no one wins, but if the guessers guess the word, then they win, and the "executioner" is just someone who does the game.
Executioner is the _dealer_
As a former guesser, I can attest that after losing a few times to the executioner, guessers stop guessing--and that robs the game of all joy for the executioner. So the executioner is motivated to pick simple-ish words that can be guessed, leading the guesser to build up confidence until they inevitably fail to guess a moderately easy word, which allows the executioner to never let them forget their loss.
I don’t think any 8-year-old gives it that much thought dude.
@desertrose0601 have you met 8-year-olds?
I love how you didn’t even mention the fact that when the guesser wins, the executioner is left with either a disembodied head, or an amputated corpse.
Or just an empty gallows if the guesser is both lucky and smart enough.
...oh
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When I and the guesser wins I erase or scribble out the half hanging man and draw a guy who is very happy because he avoided the noose
Profit then lol
"queue" is a surprisingly fun word to use in hangman. Things go well untill suddenly "da faq is '_ueue'? Is that even a word in english?" And i happily reassure them that it is a word they know.
But then you realize u always go after q,, so eh
@@souheki_ A 'q' (debatably) is always followed by a 'u', but a 'u' is not always preceded by a 'q'!
@@frznbxy thank you, but you claim it is debatable. Do you know any examples?
@@punkgreg1388 There are quite a lot, almost all of them are foreign words. Qi, Qigong, Faqirs, Niqab, Qibla, etcetera. There are also quite a lot of words that are traditionally written in common english with a K or C that are also written with a Q in some instances.
@@SynonamessBotchKevin well I was referring to just English sense it tends to require q be followed by u. Could you give a few examples of just English words?
Talk about weird childhood games. In Finland we had "Whose afraid of the black man?"
Idea is that there is two lines with 10-15 meters space between. Players go to one line, and the "black man" tries to touch you after saying that rhyme. Players need to hurry to the other line. If you are caught, you join as a black man. Game ends when everyone is the black man.
TBH, I never thought of the "black man" as being literal black man, I always thought it was like some shadowmonster or something. Until I grew and figured it out.
I think children don't quite understand the racism or morbidness of games, they just like to play.
We used to calls this
"What time is it Mr Wolf"
I've never thought of hangman as competitive or cooperative. In my mind, the executioner was just there to facilitate the game as opposed to actively try and win it. Though I suppose that makes sense, since they do have say over what word is chosen. But the fact hangman isn't fun winning in the role of executioner has always meant people play it to see the guessers' reactions, in my experience; not to actively make them suffer. :D
True, hangman can often be played as a man vs environment kind of game rather than man vs man. The executioner is not a player, just the arbiter. The guesser's opponent is not another player, but the game itself
My favorite hangman word is “Sphynx” or “Zookeeper”. People almost never guess x or z so I win most of the time
Try quasar and pulsar. Also syzygy. They’re all terms for different things or events in space.
yeah it's really hard to guess a word when it's not spelled correctly
betterert How did it take me this long to realize I made a typo😂
@@alliell oh my gosh I just realized too lmao
I now wish there were more words with X on Spanish.
“Darn it. I lost. What was the word?”
“Fhqwhgads”
“What?”
“Fhqwhgads”
*”E X C U S E M E W H A T ?”*
*W H A T ?*
COME ON FHQWHGADS COME ON FHQWHGADS!!!! EVERY BODY TO THE LIMIT EVERY BODY TO THE LIMIT EVERYBODY COME FHQYHGADS!
Instant sub from me the second I heard fhqwhgads.
Fhqwhgads, Fhqwhgading, Fhqwhgaded.
For example: I fhqwhgaded into the wall. Or tomorrow I'll fhqwhgad a bit, mate.
It's simple.
what a fuckin throwback lmaooo
In the Hungarian language there are multiple duble letter (sz, ty, gy, dz, ly) and one triple letter (dzs). We have to connect these letters line with a curve under neath. If a word contains for exaple the letter , and the guesser guess the and we consider them wrong.
The is one of the least common letter (except for the , , and , bc we use them almost nowhere, exept in old surnames)
P.S.:Our ABC is 44 letters long...
I feel like most creepy things or whatever are always for children like some nursery rhymes just have the most spine chilling meanings it's crazy.
Growing up in Greece, my favourite children's song was about a ship that was out to sea for so long that they ran out of food and eventually had to decide who to eat. In the French version, the young man chosen to be made into dinner is miraculously saved. In the Greek version, the boys nominate the girls, and the girls nominate the boys. Whoever yells for the other side to be eaten the loudest wins and the other side loses (aka turns to dinner).
We thought it was fun because we got to shout real loud 💀
@@egg_2705 who got eaten?
What’s crazy is that we’ve completely sanitized life for kids now to the point that they think mean words are the same as violence. The reason kids stories have traditionally been on the macabre side is because that’s the reality of life. Kids are curious about it and these stories and games help them make sense of it. Pretending life’s just a bunch of flowers never helped anyone.
Because nursery rhymes are meant to teach kids about complicated topics. Ring around the rosy teaches kids about germs and disease in an age where plagues were common.
@@desertrose0601 “Crazy”? “sanitized”? Adults freaking out whenever a word like “death” or “hell” is mentioned around kids is nothing new mate.
Kids have dark culture like messed up games, ditties and parody songs, because they go all-in on the freshly-learned topics of mortality, shock-value jokes and dark humor. Had it for a while, and I’m sure still have.
Adults just don’t want it to get out of control so kids don’t grow up with it as a benchmark of “normal” humor. That’s also how kids learn context, etiquette, and the impact of certain topics.
My teacher called it “hang person” she believed in everyone being hanged equally.
Props to her 😂
as an enby, i approve
But... hangman is a profession. A hanged person is just a criminal.
@@randon19yearold how dare you assume the teacher's gender :o
@@raghuvenkatesan6792 bruh the original comment literally says “her”
Strengths is a good one - nine letters, one vowel. Players assume there must be more vowels in it, and so waste turns guessing them.
Yeah, but it's also almost entirely composed of the most common letters. Not super hard to recover from even if you start with all the vowels.
@@dannykent6190 True! I guess “strengths” is best suited to variants with a strict guess limit.
bold of you to assume i didnt pick my letters randomly lmao
ya like jazz
Hangman im German is funny, where "Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischettiketierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" (litterally the law, regarding the assignment of the duties for the surveilance of the labeling of beef and yes it's one word in german, that's even Part of the Dictonary) would be a completly fine, valid word with just 79 letters and 26 vowels (if i counted correctly)
And yes, i did this once. In school. Was a surprisingly fast game
the thing is, here where i live hangman is called "tu seras pendu" which is french for "you will be hanged" which kind of sounds like a threat now that i think about it. ive never really paid attention to what it translated to in english for some reason but now that i am i can conclude that damn, this game is dark. 😧
lmao
It’s easy to make hangman an asymmetric competitive game. Just standardize the number of turns, settle on dictionary of words to use, and have the executioner write down the word and hide it ahead of time. That’s the scenario I want to look it, mathematically it most have some sort of equilibrium strategy. It’s interesting to think about because the optimal strategy for the executioner is NOT to choose the hardest word because then the guesser would know to just guess that word, some sort of randomization would be involved but it’s not clear how.
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never lost with “zephyr”
I used this word and I had to keep adding things till they got it so we had went through most of the alphabet and it was hilarious.
I guarantee your first loss will be to a Spyro fan
@@hyrulehero2773 or someone who plays warframe
@@SStarry_Days the gam ends when you fail enough times so how the hell did you go through the whole alphabet of remaining letters
@@illford6921 cus we just cept going till someone got it.
Fun fact:
It is completely possible to play connect four on paper if you use x and o rather than red and yellow disks.
i mean yeah
connect 4 is basically bigger tic-tac-toe with gravity
Same with battleship, you just need a grid
fun fact: you can watch youtube without a computer, just tell them to send you every frame on paper and flip them like a flipbook
@@MaxLai_0104but what about the audio
@@SuperHGB tell them to send you a soundboard
During the last week of senior year we played hangman. At first it was all fun with simple words, usually references to inside jokes and topics in class. Then our teacher picked "axt" (german for axe) and NOBODY guessed it. It was a massive defeat. After that nobody played fair anymore, it was all about how much you could destroy peoples will to live. I love the chaos that hangman can cause in a group of people. So simple yet so beautiful.
I'll side with you if you can get people to start singing "apostrophe" as part of the alphabet song
people used to include ampersand (&) in the alphabet
a b c d e f g
h i j k lmnop
q r s
t u v
w x y
z apostrophe
An apostrophe is punctuation, not a letter
🎵A b c d e f g, h i j k apostrophe, l m n, o p q, r s t, x y z, now I know my ABCs, next time won't you sing with me🎶
Let me give it a try.
A B C D E F G
H I J K LMNOP
Q R S T U V
W X Y Z ampersand
apostrophe semicolon
double quotation hyphen question mark
exclamation mark colon
full stop comma brackets slash
Now I know my ABC's
Next time won't you sing with me
EDIT: Extra blank lines deleted.
As you note, playing to "win" as the executioner is not very fun, but you don't quite make the leap to it not really being an adversarial game. The goal of the executioner is to create a customized challenge for the guesser, calibrating the difficulty to their skill level so it's possible but not trivial. Perhaps the best analogy is a game master in a table-top roleplaying game.
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"hangman is a simple ttrpg" is quite the take but I am here for it
Now I kinda want to design a barebones ttrpg with Hangman mechanics.
@@zrrion6the6insect6 my mind has been opened
Exactly that. The problem with hangman is that some Game Masters get off on torturing the players, which is when it becomes adversarial and cheating/muddy game rules get encouraged. The GM that likes to give others a good experience will have fun when the word finally clicks with the guesser, especially if it is a rare in-group word or a joke. The reveal of the word is a goal then, and even a fail-state will have some satisfaction for all.
The difference is that multiple guessers can compete with each other for score or as a race, which is more common and easier in hangman than in RPGs.
I Germany it's the stand first, then the stick thingy that's above that, then the other thingy that the rope of the hanged person is wrapped around, then the head (without face), the stick torso/the middle part, one arm, the other arm, one leg, the other leg and, if the drawer is feeling generous, then the face.
So about ten tries!
I always played where the executioner would have to write their word down on a hidden piece of paper at the start, to prevent them swapping it mid-game. I’m pretty sure this called way more attention to that way of cheating really
my catholic school had a ban on hangman for being "too morbid" while there was a crucifix in every room
The irony
Mine never censored it cause “I mean there’s already a crucifix in the room”. I love when the same structure leads to different conclusions lol
At my Church before Sunday school we would always play hangman with the gallows and everything.
Ah yes, more evidence that religious people are complete idiots.
@@HMN134 Ooga Booga
I like telling the guesser the subject is Disney characters and picking “Quasimodo”
I always join in on games where they've already gotten to the point of trying to stump each other with hard but legitimate words, so I'll pick french or italian words with a lot of common letters. It's fun to watch peoples' brains break when they can't figure out the last letter or two.
I’m actually thinking about that musical before reading this.
I watched the movie, live action musical and read the book. If I didn’t get that I’d be so annoyed
But it has four of the five vowels, wouldn't people guess that easily?
@@speccysquaregolike9629 no one remembers his name
My teacher called it “hang-spider” and made us draw a spider instead of a man. I honestly never would’ve thought abt the fact that we were drawing a live execution if she hadn’t brought attention to it though
Remington?
Hangman *is* a word-guessing game, but under "no-cheating" rules, it's more like a player-vs-dungeon-master rather than player-vs-player game.
I agree, one side functions as the player the other works as a game master, a game masters role is not to win but to create a win/lose condition for the player, thats why we don't hear "I beat that guy at hangman".
For this reason, depending on who you're playing with, extra rules or clarifications might be given at the start of the game, and if someone uses an aphostrophe as a letter in one round it will usually be understood as an explicit rule on the next round.
Even then it is an odd one out among word guessing games, just like portal is a weird first person shooter and better explained as a puzzle game, hangman is better defined as simply an asymetrical guessing game, because every guess gives you new information and it is posible to form a strategy around this information.
Now that I think about it, i recall that a lot of the time, the executioner would start to make the stick figure really elaborate to give everyone time to think--really supports the 'pvd/e' outlook over 'pvp'
I agree, but i think it is more like RPGs in a cheating scenario, seeing that the GM will commonly "cheat", but not for him tom win, but to provide more fun to the players
This is especially true in classroom hangman where the actual competition isn't between the executioner and the guessers but between multiple guessers, each competing for the prize of being the next executioner.
Unless you take turns switching who's the guesser and who's the executioner.
That moment when the example word was "fhqwhgads" made me die.
SBEmail for the win.
Everybody to the limit. The Cheat is to the limit. Everybody come on Fhqwhgads.
It doesn't sound like it looks.
Come on fhqwhgads
Fhqwhgads
12:45 is such a funny fucking screenshot like this just screams the tumblr/homestuck era humor that flows so strongly through this channel and I love it
15:20 you clearly have never heard of ultimate tic-tac-toe.
- Draw a field of 3x3 tic-tac-toe fields for 9 tic tac toe fields in total
- Player 1 starts and can plane his symbol in any of the 9 fields.
- Player 2 has to play in the field equal to the place where player 1 has placed his symbol. For example player one places his symbol on the right middle field (big field) in the top middle square (with ing the big field), player 2 has to them place his symbol anywhere on the top middle field. Rinse and repeat.
- If you force your opponent to play in a field where someone has already won they get to place their symbol anywhere.
-The game is won when one player has won 3 fields next to each other, just like in normal tic-tac-toe.
I've done a 4x4 tic-tac-toe and then a 10x10 tic-tac-toe game.
I've never played with anyone, but I don't think it's possible to win the conventional way, so there are other rules that make the game more interesting.
I knew the jazz thing in advance. One time my family was in a restaurant waiting for food and we were all like "let's play hangman". My stepsister pulled out her phone and googled something, then drew 4 dashes on the paper. I was like "is it jazz" and she was totally aghast. Like, maybe don't pick the word that's famous for being the hardest to guess.
Instead, pick 死ぬ, the Japanese word for death.
When they fail to guess, they've died.
@@OrangeC7 or just use kanji in general. 1997 in 2000 (embracing the 3 line hangman) would be good odds of winning
Though using kanji for letters would be more akin to using, say, the universal symbol of disability or the stop sign. Hiragana is the Japanese alphabet, so using kanji would be like using one of those weird fonts of symbols.
@@pheonifire I was actually thinking that perhaps Japanese hangman would be guessed based on the radicals?
The problem with hiragana and radicals, though, is that there are so many of both that it makes the game much more difficult.
@@OrangeC7 Radicals are more for Chinese, Japanese is pretty good with kana. 44 letters is not very much. The bigger problem, I think, is that Japanese roots aren’t very long.
in the mental hospital we weren’t allowed to talk abt hanging (for obvious reasons) and we called it butterfly man 💀
Bro?
You good fam?
lmaoo
plS
lmfao
when i was in outpatient for anxiety management, we did one called “build a house”. that’s when I personally realized how strange hangman was. Great video!
why did i watch this and why was i completely invested the whole video
this sounds like he's trying to explain earth games to aliens
Who told you he isn’t?
Yes, that was very helpful to me.
Your tooth brush is in the toaster. You better take it out before the house lights on fire.
@@lennygirlthetruesavvysavag2410 gotcha, eat the toaster
Yes.
when you make your hangman sentence ‘the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog’
That's an automatic win for the Guesser.
@Kenny Holmes, dangit, no wonder I’ve been loosing so much
WHERE'S DAT OXFORD COMMA, BRUH?
@@user-pi7sj4wm8p Bruh. Oxford commas are for lists, not general usage.
Anthony Kubasek That sentence doesn’t need any commas at all
One problem with your guesser strategy: It gets completely demolished by certain executioner strategies. For example, if the executioner figures out your strategy, they can just pick words that deliberately counter it, and you will always lose. To make a truly "perfect strategy" from a game theory perspective, you would need to introduce an element of randomness to your guesses.
Focusing on the whole 'its more fun for the guesser to win' I want to say something that my sister and I do when we play. We go in turns and always re-use the same hangman and gallows instead of drawing a new one. Also, the most crucial difference is that the executioner can never win. No matter how many wrong guesses the guesser has, the man is never killed. We just keep adding things. Once we drew an entire town. I think the main reason we do this is to find the most creative word to use. Sometimes we agree the words have to be in a specific genre, sometimes we go for funny words. Others times we make it as difficult as can be. My point is, the executioner winning isn't fun, so a good way to play it is to make it one-sided, as weird as that sounds.
Executioner: Try this "_"
Guesser: Can I get a hint?
Executioner: It's a letter
Guesser:
Listen here you little sh-
J
C
they are telling the truth
'?
0:10 "I've been thinking about hangman a lot recently"
are you okay man? Do you need to talk to someone?
I wanna like but I’m just gonna leave it at the number it is 😂
okay who ruined it?
The Twilight Phoenix
“Who broke it? We’re not mad, we just wanna know.”
ᗪEEᖇ Ḁͦi̥ͦs̥ͦh̥ͦḁͦ not mad, just disappointed.
I'm going to hangman myself
The fact that "Jizz" is the true hardest word to guess in hangman is very amusing to me
I used to love hangman so much as a kid. Never really thought about how bizarre the theme was. As I’ve grown up now, it’s quite odd to me and got me really curious how everyone is still open to play this game, but tbh I still sometimes miss those days playing hangman without any other stress lol.
"everyone has played it, but nobody knows the rules"
That's just Uno for me. I mean, I know there *are* rules, but every group has their own.
Uno is an extremely cultural game. Every family and friend group will have small tweaks to the rules
@@brunopereira6789 That's one of the things I love about it.
Lmao whenever the deck runs out we dont end the round, we put every card on the discard pile except the top card, and then continue(we also dont have points)
@@joseflabajo7739 Yeah same!
The worst part about the differences is everyone insisting that their set of rules is THE correct one, even though it’s not even close to the set in the rule book. (which, might I add, involves points and is overall a lot more complicated than it needs to be.)
My go to word when I’m playing Hangman against people that don’t know any better is “Uncopyrightable”; it’s the longest word in the English language with no repeating letters.
smart man
You’re satan himself
Satan himself fears you
That’s kind of counterproductive because since you used so many unique letters the guesser has over a 50% chance of correctly guessing a letter. You also used all 5 vowels
@@bostoncox8757 jerkish you mean? Given the letters, the chances of losing is higher because you're only filling in one space each time you get a letter correct. People will get hung up by the word trying to figure it out; uncopyrightable would never cross their mind because you usually wouldn't say that under typical circumstances and borders on not sounding like a word.
Me and some of my friends occasionally play an adapted version of hangman in which several players can take part. Turn order is decided via whatever method we come up with (usually by rolling a die with a ridiculous amount of sides, closest guess goes first), and having players take it in turns to guess letters, and a correct guess means you get to go again. There's a scoring system, too. Each correctly placed letter is worth two points. For example, if you guess A and it appears three times, you get six points. At ANY point, if you think you know the word, you can shout it out. If wrong, you can't guess again until your next turn, and if it's currently your turn when you make the guess and you're wrong, your turn ends immediately. If you're right, you get points equal to the length of the word (9 letters = 9 points). If you guess it correctly during your turn, then the reward is doubled (9 letters = 18 points). The game goes on for however long we feel like going for, and at the end, most points wins. Whoever guesses the word right must go last on the next round, to help balance things. The "executioner" remains the same person throughout the entire game, similar to a banker in Monopoly.
The only issue we have is that one player wins almost every session.
this is actually one of the greatest videos on youtube, great work
My brain for all eternity: *nothing*
CZcams: "Hey you wanna watch why hangman is a weird game?"
Me: "You had me at wanna watch"
What even is your profile picture?
Nothing for all eternity
*Why Is Your PFP*
you had me at "CZcams:"
I blame the rona
can we take a moment that this guy basically wrote a several pages long analysis paper and then made a full video with text and drawings for it? like, wow, that's impressive
and the special thanks?
It *is* his job... at least part time.
Why use vowels at all? Allow "nth" to introduce itself.
Gonna use this when a teacher gives us a free project (choose your own topic)
@@littleamig0 🤔 I choose ‘Choose’!
I love your videos. I've rewatched this one and many others so many times. Thank you.
hangman sounds like a great beginner friendly programing project instead of the usual tic-tac-toe
how to win as a guesser: use an incredibly complicated strategy
how to win as executioner:
be a *jerk*
how to win as a guesser: *see that smug face of them and realize they used their favourite "meme" word*
Fhqwhgads
be hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia
Jazz
Kiwi
The way he says 'fhqwhgads' with such a neutral and serious tone got me choking jdhdgshsgdggd
It is actually a homestar runner reference
@@mennaalragaby8498 I also end up in the random side of CZcams
@@hellohellohihi it could be you ;)
@@hellohellohihi fair
I mean, if everyone liked me the best, I would be very overwhelmed
Fu qu he gads
i doubt you will ever see this but i just want to thank you for this video, as it inspired me to finish a wip song i had laying around. it previously did not have a title, but now it's 'hangman' :)
I would just add that the strategy is not just letter frequency, but knowing the common patterns of words in whatever language it is (the letters that are/aren't likely to show up near one another or ways that words often begin or end)
Someone once tried to use "Antidisestablishmentarianism" on the belief that no one would ever guess such a long word. I managed to guess the word without needing a single letter because there are no other 28 letter words in the English language. Honestly, it was more impressive that they knew how to spell it then my being able to guess it.
Yep. I did that in primary school, except that I won because nobody knew that word. I mostly just enjoyed the thrill of people getting more and more incredulous as I kept adding little dashes.
r/iamverysmart
@@adrianpaul1985 He’s not just smart, his classmates were stupid
@@moistedits4455 I had never heard of that word until earlier today, and I’m 20 years old. I must be fucking retarded
@@fecalmatter442 ahhhhhh, yeah....... I don’t think I know a single person who doesn’t know that word. It was a pretty big meme when I was like 10
"from ring-around-the-rosie, to Fortnite."
You're not wrong...
@@cillmaster093 then why you upload fortnite videos?
@@cillmaster093 when minecraft was dead your probably said you hated minecraft too
Reddit moment
Cill it was always shit (or at least I thought it was) but now that that one popular kid came to his senses and declared it stupid then hating fortnite became another freaking trend
@@cillmaster093 that was 3 weeks ago. Fortnite became shite when s5 started
when my friends and I got bored of normal hangman we started just changing up the execution method so there was a slow reveal via incorrect guesses that what I was drawing was the hangman being tied to the train tracks, or put in a tub with a shark, or sticking a fork into an outlet etc
I kept getting this video in my recommended and was apprehensive about watching it because I didn't want to watch a 20-minute video about the already-tired "hangman is weird because you hang someone and children play it" conversation. Thank you for subverting my expectations
“There’s another word to replace with jazz, but replace the a with another vowel”
Me: oh no
I was wondering when I'd find a comment like this.
I burst out laughing when I put it together
Jonathan Aresse me too, me too...
Jozz?
Jvzz?
Imagine hangman in chinese, where there are 2000 individual characters whose meaning is specific to words
On top of that, most words in Chinese (not including compound terms) aren't even longer than 3 characters.
Inevitable death
They’d be drawing individual blades of grass on the ground
They could use pinyin if so inclined haha
@@Eyeofthetiger4072 LOL
11:17 it would be funny if someone lost a scrabble tournament simply because they weren't allowed to spell the n word
especially depends on their race and what type...
I get this video on my feed every year and every time it appears I watch it 😂
If you use "queue", when someone guesses the letter "q", they put the q down, but when someone guesses the word "queue", you can say that they already guessed it lol
Works with stuff like “see” and “why” as well
@@gobleturky6192 It doesn't always work with "why" since not everyone pronounces Y the same as "why". Most people do though.
@@randomclownguy6 Hwil Hweaton.
😂
@@randomclownguy6 😄 theres a reason why see and why cant be guessed
“After all, there’s another word that’s exactly the same as “jazz” except that the “A” is replaced with a less common vowel” That’s cursed :/
Lmaooo im glad someone got that
*I* wonder what letter that would be...
i
what is itttt i jut dont get it
jyzz
Never thought I'd find a nearly 20 minute video about hangman in my recommended but here we are. Interesting stuff! I'd never really considered what an odd game it really is before.
One thing I noted that's different from how I used to play (Not sure if it's a regional difference or a "lower difficulty") was I we used to draw the lines of the gallows as penalties for wrong guesses too. And I remember having a diagonal beam connecting the top and the post as well (Though that may have been more of a stylistic choice and, again, adding more guesses)
In all the versions I've played, you have to draw the gallows with wrong guesses, not beforehand
How to always win as executioner: use the name of a German town
Or a Welsh one?
Doesn't work when the players are German though
Or use Japanese. People won’t guess symbols
Ah yes "Rothenburg ob der Tauber" and "Lübeck".
Or a town from wales:
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
One big point: Make sure the executioner had spelled the word correctly.
also, make sure they don't forget there are multiple cases of a letter in a word. idk how many times I played with my younger brother and lost, only to find out he only marked 1 case of each letter, even if there were multiple versions of it
Also also, make sure the executioner knows what they’re doing. I have this cousin who play hangman and never tells me where the other repeating letters are.
We at school would have to write the word on the backside of the board where no one could see it. We also had a shortcut system that instead of a letter you were allowed to guess the whole word, but if you guessed wrong, it counted as a wrong guess with no new letter information. This added a tension between wanting to win and peer pressure not to ruin the game for everyone else
When I worked in Japan, the teachers were like “no, NO hangman!!”
Apparently what they did instead were a melting snowman (you’d do a basic pic of a snowman and erase one part for each incorrect one, “melting” part of the snowman,) or a flower and erase a petal for each incorrect one.
"usually in a classroom you would just cross out apples"
WHAT, I'VE BEEN KILLING MEN SINCE I WAS 3 YOU TELLING ME THIS JUST NOW
Yeah I've never seen that
same
My teachers played “hang spider.” It was the same thing except it was a spider hanging from silk. Not only did it make it easier for us dumbass kids to get the word, (more appendages to draw) but it also made it less morbid. We all liked the human kind better though.
I want to be this kinda person, that takes a random subject and can talk so interestingly about it that keeps me with them for 19 minutes
That's not an inherited trait, it's a built up trait. Just practice
Like trying to meet a word count on an essay
I was literally just thinking about that, me too
@@SamuelTrademarked acquired*
@@kedamono8616 Thanks