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  • čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
  • the history of the letter c
    00:00 - intro
    01:49 - chapter one: enter gaml
    04:57 - chapter two: the grand switcheroo
    10:19 - chapter three: voicelessness
    14:59 - chapter four: Appius and Ruga
    19:56 - chapter five: palatalization
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    / janmisali

Komentáře • 6K

  • @loweffortproductions1985
    @loweffortproductions1985 Před 2 lety +11275

    Not gonna lie, I thought this was going to be a 30-minute shitpost consisting of a single C note.

  • @blunderbus2695
    @blunderbus2695 Před 3 lety +5724

    "But that's Z", the thrilling sequel to "So that's Y"

    • @kmqzakarlove
      @kmqzakarlove Před 3 lety +155

      I love it when he makes us wait for the sentence to end to no avail

    • @mrkitty1997
      @mrkitty1997 Před 3 lety +83

      Tell me Y,
      _Ain't nothing but a heaaaaaart ache_ ;v

    • @thomas4841
      @thomas4841 Před 3 lety +15

      can't wait for the next instalment

    • @CarMedicine
      @CarMedicine Před 3 lety +24

      it's actually "So that's Y" not "And that's Y"

    • @fuuryuuSKK
      @fuuryuuSKK Před 3 lety +45

      And the third part, "you'll C"

  • @carsonianthegreat4672
    @carsonianthegreat4672 Před rokem +244

    The fact that a blind man had so much influence on our writing system is hilarious, absurd, and awesome.

    • @WhizzKid2012
      @WhizzKid2012 Před 5 měsíci

      you mean appius claudius caecus ?

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS Před 2 měsíci +5

      Do remember that text at the time was commonly written on wax tablets or carved in stone, both of which are inherently tactile media. A blind man couldn’t read papyrus scrolls, but those were expensive, so primarily saved for long form media.

  • @trbz_8745
    @trbz_8745 Před 2 lety +684

    At this point if we want a completely consistent language we'd have to build a new one with a new alphabet from the ground up

    • @eumorpha876
      @eumorpha876 Před 2 lety +106

      and then jan Misali could do a review on it and put it in his show Conlang Critic!

    • @XDtoMeOld
      @XDtoMeOld Před rokem +1

      Yes

    • @jacksonsmith2955
      @jacksonsmith2955 Před rokem +7

      @@XDtoMeOld no, you just interpret the letters with different, more consistent rules. that's what pretty much all conlangs do. same alphabet.

    • @eshafto
      @eshafto Před rokem +48

      Give it a couple hundred years and it will be as messy as any other language--'cause that's how the peoples do.

    • @Ben-li9zb
      @Ben-li9zb Před rokem

      yes please

  • @ILikedGooglePlus
    @ILikedGooglePlus Před 3 lety +4158

    I had a nightmare last night where I made a conlang of "Simplified English" and removed the letter "C" so Jan Misali showed up at the foot of my bed and recited this video at me

    • @halyoalex8942
      @halyoalex8942 Před 3 lety +334

      I can't believe Jan Misali is your sleep paralysis demon.

    • @ILikedGooglePlus
      @ILikedGooglePlus Před 3 lety +91

      @@halyoalex8942 Can't you?

    • @hohotash
      @hohotash Před 3 lety +45

      i relate to your username

    • @hohotash
      @hohotash Před 3 lety +7

      @@taududeblobber221 dude, me also.

    • @Annie-df9ky
      @Annie-df9ky Před 2 lety +8

      But... He totally would

  • @yeahuh4128
    @yeahuh4128 Před 3 lety +3241

    people: lets remove all Cs!
    programmers: *starts sweating*

  • @eos_aurora
    @eos_aurora Před 2 lety +262

    As someone who is only mildly interested in studying language, this series does often devolve into word salad but I love it

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 Před rokem +15

      Imagine my pain as someone who doesn’t really care but somehow got sucked down this rabbit hole

    • @randomtinypotatocried
      @randomtinypotatocried Před rokem +1

      @@jmurray1110 I'm not sure if I'm enjoying this or in pain

  • @suomeaboo
    @suomeaboo Před rokem +50

    I love Xhosa's repurposing of c, q, and x for its 3 primary click consonants - /ǀ/, /ǃ/, and /ǁ/. They have other click consonants too, but they all fall under these 3 primary groups.

  • @schmourt
    @schmourt Před 3 lety +14040

    As a Courtney with a sister named Cierra and another named Cheyenne I can pretty securely say I like and understand the versatility of C.

    • @fizzyegg
      @fizzyegg Před 3 lety +942

      i can c why

    • @joethehobo8705
      @joethehobo8705 Před 3 lety +401

      Kourtney, Sierra, and Xeyenne (x being ch because x can be replaced with ks)

    • @milic5068
      @milic5068 Před 3 lety +313

      As a non native english speaker I have no idea how any of those names are pronounced lmao

    • @iksskan9147
      @iksskan9147 Před 2 lety +88

      @@milic5068 my man
      Core-tenny, see-era, chain-ee (I think)
      Also am non native speaker.

    • @Tornnnado
      @Tornnnado Před 2 lety +538

      @@milic5068 pretty sure it’s “Court-knee,” “See-era,” and “Shy-anne.”

  • @dieselguitar1440
    @dieselguitar1440 Před 3 lety +6308

    xQc really named himself after the three English letters closest to being redundant.

    • @MissPoplarLeaf
      @MissPoplarLeaf Před 3 lety +668

      That's some symbolism, alright.

    • @zephr8786
      @zephr8786 Před 3 lety +588

      petition to start calling him "cuh cuh cuh" (which in hindsight i realise could be reformed to be spelt kkk,,, hmmmmmm)

    • @sugxi
      @sugxi Před 2 lety +53

      Ah a fellow juicer

    • @gamerrfm9478
      @gamerrfm9478 Před 2 lety +158

      @@zephr8786 no, call him /xqc/

    • @maxliu7576
      @maxliu7576 Před 2 lety +37

      @@gamerrfm9478 that sounds pretty awesome ngl

  • @DDub04
    @DDub04 Před rokem +125

    Also, the sound “kyuh” is predominantly represented with the letters “cu”.
    Cumulative, accuse, cure, cute, cube, etc.
    Sure you could replace it with “Ky” but it would give words like “Kyumulative”, which may also seem like it’s saying “Chi-yumulative” or “chi-umalative”.
    If we’re doing purely phonetic spelling, you get Kyoomuhluhtihv. Which looks like a Russian town name.

    • @MetalionsquadOfficial
      @MetalionsquadOfficial Před rokem +6

      KYOOOOOO

    • @maybeanonymous6846
      @maybeanonymous6846 Před rokem +3

      I'm brazilian and this made me LOL

    • @Oturan20
      @Oturan20 Před rokem +4

      I know what I'm naming my next fictional Russian town. Kyoomuhluhtihv.

    • @meowcat7124
      @meowcat7124 Před rokem +14

      As a Russian, that doesn't really look like a Russian town name, more like a weird mix of Finnish and Korean lol

    • @JG-vh6oy
      @JG-vh6oy Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@meowcat7124 isn’t that what russian is

  • @lyvindy0527
    @lyvindy0527 Před rokem +324

    We probably need part 3, covering X which sounds like either 'ks' or 'z'
    Edit: Nevermind, maybe the letter J would be a better choice because it's pronounced so differently in other languages (Somehow the letter sounds like a Y in languages like German and Swedish and also sounds somewhat like H in Spanish)

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 Před rokem +2

      I don't think there is going to be one!

    • @TheRenegade...
      @TheRenegade... Před rokem +8

      The Y is the original pronunciation

    • @ethanlamoureux5306
      @ethanlamoureux5306 Před rokem +7

      X has at least 3 pronunciations: KS in Fix, GZ in Example, and Z in Xylophone. And J was originally just a shape variation, an I with a hook, so it makes perfect sense that it eventually came to stand for the sound of non-syllabic I, like our Y. That is how it is used in many languages today, including Latin. But some languages changed the Y sound into different sounds but kept the same letter, like the French, which is where we get our pronunciation of J.

    • @ethanlamoureux5306
      @ethanlamoureux5306 Před rokem +5

      @@tkfandbfbfan Perhaps for you it has a KS sound, but for me and millions of others, the X in example is pronounced like the GS in eggs.

    • @uggupuggu
      @uggupuggu Před rokem +1

      it has a k+jh sound in the word “luxury”

  • @grugs6801
    @grugs6801 Před 3 lety +4918

    the next letter episode should be about "r" so we could have a trill-ogy

    • @vari1535
      @vari1535 Před 3 lety +156

      That’d actually be an interesting one, considering the many different pronunciations of it in various romance languages!

    • @jjsdumbshit2792
      @jjsdumbshit2792 Před 3 lety +4

      x

    • @moises3545
      @moises3545 Před 3 lety +17

      @@icancu9680 no u

    • @thegoldengood4725
      @thegoldengood4725 Před 3 lety +3

      teollogy

    • @azimmeme9994
      @azimmeme9994 Před 3 lety +5

      @@vari1535 Romance languages? Lovish?

  • @GoHugACactus837
    @GoHugACactus837 Před 3 lety +29807

    Judging by your calm voice, I’m surprised you didn’t ask me to try squarespace

    • @testlol_yt6844
      @testlol_yt6844 Před 2 lety +195

      Lol

    • @zekerdeath
      @zekerdeath Před 2 lety +1042

      yeah why is this such a common sponsor for soft voiced youtubers

    • @JordenJords
      @JordenJords Před 2 lety +213

      NO I MISS SAM MAN WHY YOU GOTTA REMIND ME BRO 😭

    • @themobiusfunction
      @themobiusfunction Před 2 lety +50

      *c*alm

    • @m0ssy_mushrooms217
      @m0ssy_mushrooms217 Před 2 lety +375

      CZcamsr: Don’t worry this isn’t a sponsorship for Squarespace!
      Viewer: whew
      CZcamsr: *slowly pulls out NORDVPN*

  •  Před 2 lety +67

    Very descriptive thumbnail, 10/10.

  • @january1may
    @january1may Před rokem +28

    Interesting side-note: the Cyrillic letter С looks exactly like the Latin letter C and also makes a /s/ sound (and it's even on the same place on the keyboard! infuriating Russians who accidentally use the wrong one) but it has its own very interesting history (the so-called "lunate sigma") and isn't even descended from gaml

    • @tangentfox4677
      @tangentfox4677 Před rokem +2

      I feel like this further informs my feeling that we should stop caring about when s and c are used in sertain words. Because as long as one kan understand what they're reading, it's fine.

    • @poudink5791
      @poudink5791 Před rokem

      @@tangentfox4677sure you can understand even if it's spelled wrong, but it also takes significantly longer to parse

  • @ketzelkomi
    @ketzelkomi Před 2 lety +891

    I thought this was gonna be a meme, not a whole backstory of the letter c 😭

    • @ivywivy
      @ivywivy Před 2 lety +22

      bruh same

    • @sunghoen6242
      @sunghoen6242 Před 2 lety +4

      Fr

    • @kiawaiia
      @kiawaiia Před 2 lety +4

      omg same 😭💀

    • @victoriasavova6811
      @victoriasavova6811 Před 2 lety +8

      c lore

    • @dennis_s
      @dennis_s Před 2 lety +7

      I respect the grind, tho. I think that he knows that most think his vids are shit posts, but throws us off intentionally.

  • @petermarsella6537
    @petermarsella6537 Před 2 lety +3273

    We're ignoring the key argument:
    We can't call it the YMCA anymore, and that song by the Village People is now obsolete.

  • @gcbreptile4571
    @gcbreptile4571 Před 2 lety +14

    I used to think C was pointless, but you have completely changed my mind and opened my eyes to the beautiful letter. Thank you sooo much!

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 Před 2 lety

      Now you like C right?

    • @gcbreptile4571
      @gcbreptile4571 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jamburga321 Yep. I suppose I do

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gcbreptile4571 c is a very important letter in English

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 Před 2 lety +2

      And it also looks cool like a crescent moon, doesn't it, cool crescent shape right?

    • @gcbreptile4571
      @gcbreptile4571 Před 2 lety

      @@jamburga321 Yes, it does have a nice shape :)

  • @midnitecata
    @midnitecata Před rokem +10

    "ch" is quite important to me, for it is one of the only instances where "c" has its own sound! also, your videos are so fun and interesting to watch!

  • @spcxplrr
    @spcxplrr Před 3 lety +832

    "what are we eating tonight honey"
    "kicken"

  • @TheGeopigMan
    @TheGeopigMan Před 3 lety +3773

    The real play is to redefine "c" to represent the "ch" sound

    • @BracketsAttackets
      @BracketsAttackets Před 2 lety +61

      Based. That's what I do with a lot of my characters' names lmao.

    • @jankkhvej434
      @jankkhvej434 Před 2 lety +49

      or something like „ts” sound

    • @miray3596
      @miray3596 Před 2 lety +99

      Actually in Turkish, c is like the g sound in the word "german" and the G in Turkish is like the g sound in great. We also have ç fo ch and ş for sh.

    • @felicityedwards1306
      @felicityedwards1306 Před 2 lety +56

      @@miray3596 Turkish is a superior language and I will die on that hill

    • @TheFlyfly
      @TheFlyfly Před 2 lety +18

      or ch becomes tsh

  • @NithinJune
    @NithinJune Před rokem +23

    19:55 Jan did it again 😂
    We can't let them keep getting away with this😂😂

  • @wtc5198
    @wtc5198 Před 2 lety +17

    Just a note, when you showed how Polish used C, there was a mistake: Polish is actually /tɕi/, and the palatal phonemes in Polish are handled very much like a Romance language would handle them

    • @jobda1211
      @jobda1211 Před 2 lety +2

      Theoretically there exist rare borrowed words with ⟨ci⟩ pronounced as /t͡si/ for example (probably the most common instance of it) „cis” as in „tłuszcze cis”, „cispłciowy” and as a name of a musical note

    • @wtc5198
      @wtc5198 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jobda1211 Yes but that's marginal

  • @soopFPS
    @soopFPS Před 2 lety +15540

    your use of dark mode for your complicated visuals is much appreciated by my drunk, night owl eyes.

  • @korkari2988
    @korkari2988 Před 2 lety +1626

    When i don't know what to answer in a multiple choice questions, C is the way to go. C is my comfort letter

    • @ollybrowningg
      @ollybrowningg Před 2 lety +24

      c for cunt, that’s why we love it

    • @Kagomai15
      @Kagomai15 Před 2 lety +32

      Where did this kids rumour start I'm so curious, everyone I've ever talked to where this subject came up has encountered the "when in doubt, choose c" bias in regards to multiple choice tests 😂

    • @linuslaw9648
      @linuslaw9648 Před 2 lety +14

      Because from experience it’s actually mostly c for some reason

    • @bigchungus894
      @bigchungus894 Před 2 lety +50

      I answered C on a test today that wasn’t even multiple choice

    • @helze2
      @helze2 Před 2 lety +12

      @@bigchungus894 correct choice

  • @tecknokittyd
    @tecknokittyd Před rokem +11

    I wondered why french had such a long name for Y (ygreck) when everything else was very similar to english and in both languages the letter names are very short, never knew it was actually being called "Greek I", neat!

  • @johnweber4504
    @johnweber4504 Před 2 lety +7

    My humor is so broken that I clicked on the video titled “c” and proceeded to laugh at a very unfunny ad thinking it was the video

  • @nitrodark7027
    @nitrodark7027 Před 3 lety +844

    Did you know? jan Misali is currently in the hospital for back pain due to the fact that he's been carrying the entire conlanging community

  • @redtaileddolphin1875
    @redtaileddolphin1875 Před 3 lety +984

    The punchline “that’s [Letter]” remains god-tier

  • @TarporLegend
    @TarporLegend Před rokem +6

    I love that this video is well researched, concise, and provides necessary context for each given situation. A beautiful exploration of history; a beautiful perspective of modern language. I wish that every CZcamsr on the platform made videos like you

  • @abloogathelawyer4477
    @abloogathelawyer4477 Před 2 lety +5

    I have spent 30 minutes of my life watching the history of the letter C... And I regret NOTHING! Seriously, your voice is so soothing that I didn't even feel time passing. Best thing is, I have learned something! (And thank you for dark mode, my eyes appreciate you)

  • @azaan.7711
    @azaan.7711 Před 2 lety +1701

    man pulled off 1.3 million views with just a “c” as his thumbnail and the title, and managed to get the vid to be of almost half an hour. legend

    • @adrian_chr843
      @adrian_chr843 Před rokem +60

      i thought that it was about the c programming language.

    • @camo5553
      @camo5553 Před rokem +31

      I thought that it was about the speed of light

    • @nsa3967
      @nsa3967 Před rokem +10

      @@adrian_chr843 I thought it was gonna be some rando shilling for rust ngl

    • @tristancoffin
      @tristancoffin Před rokem +2

      @@adrian_chr843 me too

    • @MochaFur1
      @MochaFur1 Před rokem +4

      vague title and thumbnail. could mean anything

  • @guaposneeze
    @guaposneeze Před 3 lety +984

    Conlang review: C has an unusually limited orthography compared to most conlangs, which makes it relatively easy for new conlang enthusiasts to learn. The alphabet is as follows: "c, C." The phonemic inventory is more diverse, consisting of "s, ch, sh, and k," depending on context.

    • @xyldkefyi
      @xyldkefyi Před 3 lety +217

      C has a very strange orthography, using not only the letters of the English alphabet but also additional symbols such as +-/*=, which are also pronounced and serve as one letter abbreviations for mathematical expressions.
      The language is descended from English and reused English words like if, for, while and abbreviations of English words like int(eger), float (ing point number), (char)acter. It removes a lot of ambiguity from the English language by giving very specific definitions to these so called keywords.
      Interestingly, text modifiers like ();, and many more are essential to correct C syntax and give structure to what can often seem like a random collection of words and letters.
      The most interesting feature of the C language has to be the possibility to define your own words, allowing you to express extremely complicated things with just a letter, if you want to.
      In fact, text written in the c language are usually just one word (a lot of speakers use "main"), that is then defined to mean everything you want to say. This is a strange concept that has so far only been observed in the programming language family.

    • @takeryu7014
      @takeryu7014 Před 3 lety +3

      lang*

    • @purpleisdebeste
      @purpleisdebeste Před 3 lety +44

      Don’t forget č, ç, ć, Č, Ç and Ć

    • @globalincident694
      @globalincident694 Před 3 lety +71

      @@xyldkefyi ah yes, the well known types int, float and acter

    • @xyldkefyi
      @xyldkefyi Před 3 lety +7

      @@globalincident694 yea... well spotted xD

  • @dominicdelprincipe2583
    @dominicdelprincipe2583 Před 2 lety +11

    The letter C is present in that most beautiful of English phrases, 'cellar door'. Aesthetics is enough for me to justify C's presence. Great vid!

  • @cellina.starfire
    @cellina.starfire Před 3 lety +1531

    Man, I should have known you’d do the “that’s y” joke again. Still got me though.

    • @godminnette2
      @godminnette2 Před 3 lety +13

      I regret scrolling down to read this comment.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr Před 3 lety +4

      Whe wha? How did i miss that!?

    • @ferociousfeind8538
      @ferociousfeind8538 Před 3 lety +9

      an advertisement kicked in at just the right time so I was left with "was that 'so, that said', or 'so that's zed'????" for a full five seconds

    • @jaksida300
      @jaksida300 Před 3 lety +3

      Here’s tree.

  • @historicalfootnotes
    @historicalfootnotes Před 3 lety +653

    Swear to god, if he makes a joke about this being a “Cquel”....
    *sigh* I’m not mad... just disappointed...

    • @purpleisdebeste
      @purpleisdebeste Před 3 lety +68

      You’ll C

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS Před 3 lety +59

      Honestly, I C it as an absolute win. Puns are fun.

    • @TheZenytram
      @TheZenytram Před 3 lety +1

      28:17

    • @bruhz_089
      @bruhz_089 Před 3 lety

      @@purpleisdebeste You'll

    • @leocomerford
      @leocomerford Před 3 lety +2

      Look, just be glad he didn’t attempt a Sonic-fandom joke at 5:19 .

  • @samhaine6804
    @samhaine6804 Před rokem +1

    more please! this is my favourite series of yours

  • @joaopedroauriemo
    @joaopedroauriemo Před měsícem

    I love these letter lore videos! It would be cool to make this a series. Not necessarily for all letters, but for the ones with an interesting origin or that are used in many different ways across different languages. I guess the “w” video already covered five different letters but there are still more to pick from.
    Best, love jan Misali videos

  • @dieWeltkarte
    @dieWeltkarte Před 3 lety +542

    am I sleep deprived or is "tooc off his cloac" (26:34) the funniest fucking thing I've seen in my life

  • @TheExalaber
    @TheExalaber Před 3 lety +343

    Now I really want to see a conlang review of the C programming language. "The C Language's insistence that all nouns should be placed at the beginning of the paragraph has lead to no end of confusion"

    • @SirLightfire
      @SirLightfire Před 3 lety +77

      His next video should simply be titled "C++" with 0 explanation

    • @pawelharutiunow9622
      @pawelharutiunow9622 Před 3 lety +75

      “That’s how Middle C looked like. However, in Early Modern C, the word order has been significantly relaxed.”

    • @tech6hutch
      @tech6hutch Před 3 lety +28

      Unlike more object-oriented languages, C follows a strict verb-subject-object word order.

    • @paulfragemann3333
      @paulfragemann3333 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tech6hutch Well thats the what most people do atleast... Within a company I worked for a few years back, we had an internal libary which always took the struct operating on as its last argument... At some point we decided as a team to rewrite that goddamn thing to be usuable without it breaking your brain every time... Atleast it was internally consistant...

  • @turtledruid464
    @turtledruid464 Před rokem +8

    Maybe it's just because I learned pinyin at a young age, but the use of q to represent a soft ch always made perfect sense to me, in the same way that using x for a soft sh did. I wasn't even aware that some people didn't like it, although in retrospect hearing my friends pronounce qi as "ki" and xi as "zi" should've been a red flag.

  • @Nyaalexi
    @Nyaalexi Před 11 měsíci

    All this fulfilling info from a video that's titled with just a single letter. Fascinating.

  • @kleinesfilmroellchen
    @kleinesfilmroellchen Před 3 lety +606

    Only on jan misali: "rad as heck" qualifying as a valid formal argument in a linguistic debate

  • @berrycade
    @berrycade Před 2 lety +2626

    I respekt how perfektly krafted this video was. It's Exsellent!

    • @themobiusfunction
      @themobiusfunction Před 2 lety +151

      Eksellent

    • @tripppleccc54
      @tripppleccc54 Před 2 lety +92

      I have a problem with the spelling here....
      Your name has an 0 instead of an o

    • @berrycade
      @berrycade Před 2 lety +122

      @@tripppleccc54 you're right, how blasphemous. I must khange my name to "Exotik Lettuse". This kursed c is everywhere!

    • @gimbly8801
      @gimbly8801 Před 2 lety +21

      @@berrycade the kursed " "

    • @britishpigeoninahouse6917
      @britishpigeoninahouse6917 Před 2 lety +1

      Can someone translate please

  • @alimtimm7355
    @alimtimm7355 Před rokem +1

    Just discovered this masterpiece. Awesome work man.

  • @oliverwarren2793
    @oliverwarren2793 Před 2 lety +1

    this video changed my life

  • @tommasofogli8845
    @tommasofogli8845 Před 3 lety +427

    7:12 he didn't like the letter "z" because when someone pronounces it his tongue would resemble the tongue of dead people. (I studied it in school) Romans at the time were very superstitious.
    Love from Roma!

    • @Ondohir
      @Ondohir Před 3 lety +25

      But the position of the tongue is the same with [s]

    • @godminnette2
      @godminnette2 Před 3 lety +76

      It says so on screen around 15:30 "Z was abhorrent to Appius Claudius, because it resembles in its expression the teeth of a corpse"

    • @kaengurus.sind.genossen
      @kaengurus.sind.genossen Před 3 lety +7

      And I always thought the internet was the thing that made people go insane.

    • @anse7288
      @anse7288 Před 3 lety

      Ciao

    • @tommasofogli8845
      @tommasofogli8845 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Ondohir in Italian not quite

  • @davidegaruti2582
    @davidegaruti2582 Před 3 lety +310

    "Did you die?"
    Z"sadly yes ..."
    Z"but i lived!"

  • @TyTyTyTy200
    @TyTyTyTy200 Před 2 lety +1

    This is one of the best videos I've ever watched.

  • @qantuum7567
    @qantuum7567 Před rokem +1

    really enjoying this comment, and makes me realize I somewhat unconscioulsly followed that pattern for my proto-conlang inventory... thing has a /ts/ affricate but no /t/, a /k/ but no ... Just clicks how these orthographies and phones were jammed around through history.

  • @perplexedon9834
    @perplexedon9834 Před 3 lety +290

    "I'd take redundancy over ambiguity any day". mi sona e ni: ala.

  • @aharonvarna5992
    @aharonvarna5992 Před 3 lety +288

    I used to be one of those people who thought we should be getting rid of letters like c, q, z and others now I'm one of those people who's like we should be adding letters to distinguish the voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives.

    • @GlaceonStudios
      @GlaceonStudios Před 3 lety +35

      How about using Albanian _dh_ to represent dhe voiced variant so more often used dhan dhe Greek _th_ ? It looks a bit strange, but it's nothing one can't get familiar with (widh?).

    • @DavidCowie2022
      @DavidCowie2022 Před 3 lety +14

      @@GlaceonStudios Chambers dictionary (1983) says (widh, with).

    • @damianbrumfield3626
      @damianbrumfield3626 Před 3 lety +5

      Why not both?

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen Před 3 lety +28

      The real issue with English spelling are the "vowels".

    • @masicbemester
      @masicbemester Před 3 lety +35

      bring back þorn and eð

  • @ChintzleMcGrundle
    @ChintzleMcGrundle Před rokem

    I never knew how much i needed this info, thank you

  • @vegaomega6072
    @vegaomega6072 Před rokem

    I cannot possibly believe you got me with that damn joke again. Unbelievable.

  • @GoldenSandslash15
    @GoldenSandslash15 Před 3 lety +254

    I hope we get twenty-six of these videos eventually. These are fun.

    • @gg1k
      @gg1k Před 3 lety +24

      don't forget about old ampersand, & thorn now

    • @Mercure250
      @Mercure250 Před 3 lety +28

      He pretty much already covered the histories of F, V, U, and Y in his "w" video, and in this one, he pretty much already covered G. And unfortunately, a lot of letters are not as interesting as far as their histories are concerned. He could honestly cover all the remaining vowels in one video and include the history of J in it, and it probably would be less than 15 minutes.

    • @Cloiss_
      @Cloiss_ Před 2 lety +6

      I don't think a video about every letter is the way to go here, but I'm sure there are several more interesting "history of writing" stories to be told (heck, they even made a playlist for it!)

    • @fikatrouvaille3670
      @fikatrouvaille3670 Před 2 lety

      @@Mercure250 then he shoULD DO THAT

    • @Mercure250
      @Mercure250 Před 2 lety

      @@fikatrouvaille3670 Agreed, I was just saying one video per letter wouldn't be as interesting as people might think. If he does all the letters, but group them together in just, like, 2-3 short videos, that would be cool.

  • @perrincalzada9131
    @perrincalzada9131 Před 3 lety +424

    End Lyrics:
    Letter C has folks saying it should be removed, that without it the alphabet would be improved.
    It’s a common complaint, that’s misguided at best. No you can’t just replace C with K and with S.
    (~No you can’t just replace C with K and with S~)
    You know S becomes voiced intervocalically, and suffixes preserve etymology.
    If it’s so inconsistent why focus on C?
    When the quote unquote “problem” is much worse with G?
    If you were to cut C, then what you’d have in store, is you’re left with more problems than you had before.
    If you’ve learned nothing else, just remember this: English spelling reforms break more than they can fix.
    (~English spelling reforms break more than they can fix~)

    • @DanksterPaws
      @DanksterPaws Před 3 lety +72

      End Lyriks:
      Letter C has folks saying it should be removed, that without it the alphabet would be improved.
      It’s a kommon komplaint, that’s misguided at best. No you kan’t just replase sie with K and with S.
      (~No you kan’t just replase C with K and with S~)
      You know S bekomes voised intervokalikally, and suffixes preserve etymology.
      If it’s so inkonsistent why fokus on C?
      When the quote on quote “problem” is much worse with G?
      If you were to kut C, then what you’d have in store, is you’re left with more problems than you had before.
      If you’ve learned nothing else, just remember this: English spelling reforms break more than they kan fix.
      (~English spelling reforms break more than they kan fix~)

    • @scapeist5019
      @scapeist5019 Před 3 lety +8

      Or just turn on captions

    • @kylekafka6636
      @kylekafka6636 Před 3 lety +5

      @@DanksterPaws Seems to work just fine :P

    • @Reubentheimitator6572
      @Reubentheimitator6572 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kylekafka6636 Yeah it does.

    • @a___ab___b9896
      @a___ab___b9896 Před 3 lety +6

      @@DanksterPaws The fact that you kept "q" makes it look so weird.

  • @bgtherobit
    @bgtherobit Před rokem

    "this is the story of c" and that style of music following it made me fondly remember an old flash game i loved as a kid called The I of It. Nostalgia

  • @RecRoomPlays
    @RecRoomPlays Před 15 hodinami

    i think one of my favorite examples of the oddities of English spelling and pronunciation, which also happens to be an example of how "just change 'c' to 'k'" doesn't really help, is "knight"
    people often ask why "knight" is spelled like it is when half of the letters are silent, and it's because, well, in Middle and Old English, it was spelled as some variant of "cniht", and all of the letters _were_ pronounced. At some point in the progression of Middle English, authors did start using variations with 'k' instead of 'c' and adding 'g' to make the digraph 'gh', because it was pronounced with a phoneme we no longer use in modern English.
    We also lost the letter ȝ, which was used before 'gh' really took off (and of course during a certain period of time yogh and 'g' were also used in place of 'y' depending on the context even though they had and used 'y', so English has always been wild. You haven't truly lived until you've seen "eye" spelled as "yȝe").

  • @sushiroll3795
    @sushiroll3795 Před 2 lety +843

    Simple answer: Because the "Ch" sound can't be expressed by any other letter or pair of letters.
    I've heard some people say the same thing about how "X" could be replaced by "Z," "Ex," "Cs," or "Ks." However, I think the most useful placement of the letter X is at the end of words like "tax" without making it look like a plural (tacs, taks, or tacks).
    Edit: Oh lord what have I done.

    • @rafasilva1265
      @rafasilva1265 Před 2 lety +37

      Then just keep C, but have it mean "ch" capter, scool, ets

    • @InfluxDecline
      @InfluxDecline Před 2 lety +87

      @@rafasilva1265 The sounds of "ch" in those two words are different, so that wouldn't work

    • @EnjoySackLunch
      @EnjoySackLunch Před 2 lety +2

      HUH?????

    • @shelbymurphy3579
      @shelbymurphy3579 Před 2 lety +61

      @@rafasilva1265 should be "skool"

    • @vela5074
      @vela5074 Před 2 lety +9

      The "Ch" in Chips and Chandelier couldn't be replaced by anything

  • @ruipaiva3060
    @ruipaiva3060 Před 2 lety +344

    Every single person who uses night mode appreciate your time and effort into this.
    You're respected among the community.

    • @abyssosque
      @abyssosque Před rokem +10

      What makes it even better is that this design choice is because their PC literally cannot handle anything more, made me respect them even more lmao

    • @tookiecar1
      @tookiecar1 Před rokem

      @@abyssosque “You’re respected *among* the community.”

  • @samhaine6804
    @samhaine6804 Před 2 lety

    more of these videos man! love em!

  • @tahimwaicij
    @tahimwaicij Před 5 měsíci

    i love this letter because it looks like the letter כ and that letter also makes two sounds so it just clicks perfectly in my head

  • @LadyTink
    @LadyTink Před 3 lety +127

    Also thank you VERY much for not falling for the "primitive vs advanced" or "Pure vs degenerate"
    Also side note, this feel like how Carl Sagan went over human evolution "however this path does not lead to us"

  • @firsthandsuffering
    @firsthandsuffering Před 3 lety +209

    The sequel we have all been waiting for

  • @joyu2105
    @joyu2105 Před rokem

    Ah exactly what i needed at 12AM in the night, thank you youtube recomendations

  • @cryst_al91
    @cryst_al91 Před rokem

    this changed my life

  • @jmiquelmb
    @jmiquelmb Před 3 lety +272

    That's so cool to know that Y was originally called "I Grecca" (Greek I), because this is how is still called in my languages, Catalan and Spanish. I always wondered why the name

    • @voland6846
      @voland6846 Před 3 lety +26

      The Russian word for Y is игрек (igrek), presumably taken from the French

    • @nicodiaz2662
      @nicodiaz2662 Před 3 lety +2

      yeah i thought the same

    • @saskiaviking9447
      @saskiaviking9447 Před 2 lety +12

      In Polish "Y" is also called "igrek"

    • @levector2445
      @levector2445 Před 2 lety +6

      @@voland6846 can confirm y is still i grecque meaning greek i in France
      Edit: didn't know how to spell greek

    • @ExtremeBirdTypography
      @ExtremeBirdTypography Před 2 lety +11

      As an English speaker in Canada who had to learn French in grade school, I was always extremely confused about why 'Y' had an insane name like "eegrek." It sounded like some Star Trek species or something. "Greek I" makes so much sense.

  • @CalebJahnke
    @CalebJahnke Před 3 lety +199

    I just recently started learning the C programming language. So I'm at the very very very beginner levels of learning. I've been watching a lot of videos about it. This video shows up in my recommendations. I click on it expecting it to be some breakdown of the history of the C language or something. I have to say that I'm happy I was wrong and found this video.

    • @Useroftherisingsun
      @Useroftherisingsun Před 2 lety +11

      Good luck in your studies! Hope you'll be a cool C programmer soon

    • @official-obama
      @official-obama Před rokem +1

      ah, but that's the Truttle1 video, not the jan Misali video

  • @septillion.
    @septillion. Před rokem

    I love watching these videos because I get to sit here and pretend like I understand everything when I know I don't, and it's still entertaining to watch.

  • @jamburga321
    @jamburga321 Před 2 lety

    I've always loved the letter C but after seeing this, I started liking this letter even more, Thank you!!! :)

  • @BrendanBow1
    @BrendanBow1 Před 2 lety +581

    24:07 I really appreciate how you pointed out that the /oʊ/ vs /aʊ/ problem is not only more important than "fixing" C, but also found it important enough to put it at the beginning of the list. The "bow" problem has been bugging me for years.
    signed, Brendan Bow

    • @ericmatevossian1962
      @ericmatevossian1962 Před 2 lety +67

      My guy signed his CZcams comment. That's class you can't teach

    • @mawillix2018
      @mawillix2018 Před 2 lety +43

      @@ericmatevossian1962 He also ended his comment with a bow. ;)

    • @junoperberry
      @junoperberry Před 2 lety +8

      boe or b ow

    • @boxed_in4357
      @boxed_in4357 Před 2 lety +19

      Do you spell that bow like bow the weapon, or bow the front part of a shit
      Edit: *I meant ship not shit

    • @dagoat8057
      @dagoat8057 Před 2 lety

      ç

  • @axollyon
    @axollyon Před 3 lety +415

    24:25 24:57
    come on, you can't put the word examples "chimera", "mother", and "three" one after the other like that, you just can't do that

    • @mihaelandnate1
      @mihaelandnate1 Před 2 lety +13

      FMA...... cant believe I didn't understand at first

    • @goonchefstur
      @goonchefstur Před 2 lety +5

      @@mihaelandnate1 plz explain I beg

    • @shledzguohn
      @shledzguohn Před 2 lety +38

      @@goonchefstur in the video game MOTHER 3 (the sequel to the game known as Earthbound in the west), the... a "chimera" is... one of the more memorable enemies. :)

    • @goonchefstur
      @goonchefstur Před 2 lety +7

      @@shledzguohn thank u!

    • @JRENZO10
      @JRENZO10 Před 2 lety

      no

  • @gorose9899
    @gorose9899 Před 10 měsíci

    24:50 anyonewho has ever learned english has felt the relationship between these three so something about learning that relationship and where it came from is deeply beautiful

  • @dip8
    @dip8 Před rokem

    Milions of videos with fire ass thumbnails, full of random capitalization titles and i of all things this title and thumbnail peaked my curiocity

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Před 3 lety +70

    you did the tangent on "zed" just to make the "but that said" joke. kudos

  • @evanswart480
    @evanswart480 Před 3 lety +134

    "Hey guys, it's Appius. Today I'm gonna be doing another makeup tutorial, so let's talk about why the letter Z is useless"

  • @yuyuyashasrain
    @yuyuyashasrain Před rokem +1

    This is my new favorite song

  • @CanoTheVolcano
    @CanoTheVolcano Před 2 lety

    the song at the end is great!

  • @creeperlamoureux
    @creeperlamoureux Před 3 lety +129

    Jan Misali's name was gonna be spelt Jan Micali, but his parents didn't want people to mispronounce it as Jan Mikali

    • @sojourner_303
      @sojourner_303 Před 3 lety +10

      Except Toki pona don’t have a C

    • @mgawalangmagawamwm
      @mgawalangmagawamwm Před 3 lety +17

      jan miçali

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 Před 3 lety +22

      "Jan Misali's name was gonna be spelt Jan Micali"
      Then I wonder how did it become spelled Mitch Halley.

    • @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb
      @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb Před 3 lety +1

      But everyone pronounced it John instead of Jan

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 Před rokem

      @@sojourner_303 C and a lot of other letters, they have 14 letters

  • @widemen6651
    @widemen6651 Před 2 lety +93

    this showed up on my recommended and i actually fell asleep. not because it was boring, but because of your soothing af voice.

  • @tmarea1427
    @tmarea1427 Před 2 lety

    how the heck did i get more intrigued bu this video than every other video i could watch

  • @GotTheBestLigma
    @GotTheBestLigma Před 9 měsíci +1

    Removing it is a dead argument when you get to the "CH" combination words, like chow or chase.

    • @David280GG
      @David280GG Před 6 měsíci +1

      Better replace ch by č and leave ch for k as in charisma

  • @cerealssbu7545
    @cerealssbu7545 Před 2 lety +81

    Thank you for putting the first track of music in C-Major. I cannot thank you enough

  • @ellie8272
    @ellie8272 Před 2 lety +133

    "Languages being poorly designed is a good thing, actually"
    - Jan Misali

  • @zenlyy
    @zenlyy Před rokem

    I never thought I would spend half an hour watching a video only about the letter c.

  • @LearnRunes
    @LearnRunes Před rokem +2

    The /k/ sound in English was originally made by the rune ᚳ, which was replaced by the Latin letter C.

  • @heart4brainzz
    @heart4brainzz Před rokem

    i love these videos

  • @Salsmachev
    @Salsmachev Před 3 lety +103

    Oh so it's not about using progamming languages in order to measure English orthography in preposterous units?

    • @paulfragemann3333
      @paulfragemann3333 Před 3 lety +9

      #include
      int main() {
      printf("I thought in was about C aswell :d
      ");
      return 0;
      }

    • @paulfragemann3333
      @paulfragemann3333 Před 3 lety +6

      I wrote that on a Phone with German spellcheck, it was awful but i Had to make that Joke...

    • @Salsmachev
      @Salsmachev Před 3 lety

      @@paulfragemann3333 Hahahaha your dedication is appreciated

    • @dihydrogen
      @dihydrogen Před 3 lety

      @@paulfragemann3333 where are the heckin semicolons now it wont compile

    • @paulfragemann3333
      @paulfragemann3333 Před 3 lety

      @@dihydrogen Was able to find them on my phone I'll edit the message to add them, now that I'm on a PC....

  • @ImaginaryMdA
    @ImaginaryMdA Před 3 lety +39

    "one of the least productive conversations in online discourse."
    Wow, that's saying a lot.

  • @Omnywrench
    @Omnywrench Před 2 lety +4

    After ending the "W" video with a song from Between the Lions, i was expecting the end credits to have "C is for Cookie" from Sesame Street. but the actual song you got here is a pleasant surprise!

  • @cymtastique
    @cymtastique Před rokem +1

    Thank you for defending the best letter.

  • @JungleOatsify
    @JungleOatsify Před 3 lety +123

    There is plenty of discourse around the pronounciation of "g". Its just hidden in the even more unproductive debate ariund the pronounciation of GIF.

    • @eesr
      @eesr Před 2 lety +13

      Hard g. Get the fuck over it 😂

    • @WaluigisBulge
      @WaluigisBulge Před 2 lety +15

      @@eesr I prefer the worst option, as proposed by the creator of the format: GIF is pronounced as Yiff
      King Solomon has nothing on him

    • @mawillix2018
      @mawillix2018 Před 2 lety +7

      @@WaluigisBulge Yraphics Interchange Format

    • @kingcrimson4133
      @kingcrimson4133 Před 2 lety

      comments in here proving Adam's point

    • @everynametaken
      @everynametaken Před 2 lety

      @@WaluigisBulge Like the Old English, I see.

  • @LARAUJO_0
    @LARAUJO_0 Před 3 lety +40

    23:16 "Cnidarian" might just be the only time c is truly silent in English

    • @HBMmaster
      @HBMmaster  Před 3 lety +39

      I'd count indict and its derivatives too

  • @The7thLysineinyourDNA
    @The7thLysineinyourDNA Před rokem +1

    Cell: I'm gonna change to sell-
    Sell: Taken.

  • @stupidsimmy
    @stupidsimmy Před rokem +1

    i thought this was a shitpost but now i feel like watching this whole thing just to learn more about the letter C
    update: i have learned a lot about the letter C, thank you :)

  • @famitory
    @famitory Před 2 lety +187

    english needs more letters, not less. bring back yogh and add a letter for χ to encourage its use in spelling loanwords purely because it's such a fun sound to make

    • @lucaslourenco8918
      @lucaslourenco8918 Před 2 lety +41

      Nah, English need more vowels. Make Æ great again!

    • @junoperberry
      @junoperberry Před 2 lety +6

      how do you pronounce that long x thingy

    • @doriangrayapologist
      @doriangrayapologist Před 2 lety +4

      I'm a proponent of accents!

    • @rachsnest3751
      @rachsnest3751 Před 2 lety +1

      @@junoperberry if it's the Greek one I think it's pronounced like "key"

    • @RofStyx4
      @RofStyx4 Před 2 lety +8

      Don't forget about thorn and eth that got replaced by th even though they have distinct sounds from each other.

  • @camelcaseco
    @camelcaseco Před 3 lety +53

    That was very very well done! The music throughout was amazing, both Patricia Taxxon's instrumental and when accompanied with Jules' vocals. I think I forgot that the video was about c and not proto-sinaitic and ancient egyptian, but very good. Found it to be well-structured, as more of a story than a lecture.

  • @orisphera
    @orisphera Před 2 lety +2

    9:15 This reminds me of the history of the Russian letter Ё (Yo): it was asked why they had to use two letters for one sound, although they represent two sounds in the word that was given as an example (yolka) and the letters Ь and Ъ probably already made no sound
    UPD: I've just realized that Ъ where it is used now can seem to make a sound because the following letter makes two sounds

  • @Kimbie
    @Kimbie Před 2 lety +137

    8:11 Actually, sometimes in the same text! They had some early texts written like: say you began left- to-right, then you followed the text to its right end, down to the next line and read this one right-to-left, the next left-to-right, etc. kind of just following the page in a flow.
    I think that went archaic very early on but very interesting!

    • @wtc5198
      @wtc5198 Před 2 lety +20

      That was called boustrophedon

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 Před rokem +5

      That sounds like and amazing piece of worldbuilding for any fantasy/ancient culture.
      And also could be used as such a mind bending tactic in the modern world, especially for puzzles or just to troll people. (Once in english class i rotated my book upsidedown and read like normal to see how long it took the teacher to notice, it was fun, i think it took 5min)