The explanation I always hear is “he lets us go through suffering to remind us that we need him.” Which just makes god sound like an abusive boyfriend.
Everytime I hear a sermon like "God is jealous and only wants you to serve him" I'm like wow if he was human I'd be filing a restraining order and calling the police like I ain't want nothing to do with God if he's like that
@@m0L3ifyonestly the old and new testament were written by humans with their own agendas. God's or many gods are just chilling up there wondering when their creation went wrong and chose to portray them as vengeful and wrathful
@@EclecticallyEccentric especially between the OT and NT. Or the fact that there are 43.000+ denominations of Christianity but somehow, each one is the only correct one and every other one is wrong.
Great work, Stanzi. One of these prosperity gospel wackadoodles said to a friend who was dying of cancer, "What did you do to bring this upon yourself?" Ridiculous, hateful understanding of a higher power.
I’m sorry your friend was treated that way but it’s not uncommon ‘Christian’ behavior. My dad died when I was 14 and the female Bible teacher at my Christian school took me into an isolated room and told me that I had the devil in me. Some little girls there had asked if I was saved and I was honest and told them no. I was then bullied into getting ‘saved’ when my family had different Christian views of being saved (my family believed you have to be baptized first.) I was done with religion by 15! Thankfully my mother didn’t make me go to church. It’s all crap! 😊
Disgusting. I had a friend in college who lost her mom young to cancer, and another "friend" told her that her mom died because she didn't pray enough. Like!!! I was seeing red!!! How incredibly traumatizing to lose your parent AND THEN BE BLAMED FOR IT! I hate people so much!
@georgialoschiavo1270 I just don't understand how people can think like that! That kind of heartless religiousity makes me livid, too! Fortunately, not all people blame grieving people for their losses. Most people are compassionate.
If pain has no purpose, why is it there? I can see it's physical reasons. As well as how it makes you stronger. I mean it's why rich people make their children get jobs. So at least they'll be capable to take care of themselves in one aspect. There's a great deal of wisdom that one can not learn without suffering. That being said. I can see why in the Bible a third of the angels tried to kill God and take over. Totally can see why.
@@sugoish9461 the airplane(s) was the USA 9/11/2001 on the Trade Towers in New York City. The 1940s was World War 2 w Hitler and the genocide if the Jewish.... "God's ppl".... And there's when the irony and the deep thinking starts happening.... 💀🪦🙏🤧
@@omorinintendoswitchedition I'd believe it. Also dude has some crazy multitasking skills to be able to keep up with a few billion sims. Or it explains why a lot of people aren't properly taken care of in life.
Yeah I highly doubt that slowly suffering from cancer is a requirement to god, ending that after saying goodbyes and preventing the wasting away that is dying of cancer sounds like a far better option than suffering.
Everyone says God has a plan, but no one ever questions if he has a good plan or not. Personally, I don't think he has jack shit. He probably just threw some microbes onto the planet, added some water, and watched it all play out.
If there really is a deity out there, this is the best explanation for what they do. Other than the polytheism route, where there are multiple gods trying to do their own thing, and sometimes clash with each other.
I think Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is specifically God not having a plan. Well, planning to see what happens with no plan. Just what I believe, my spirituality is heavily rooted in math/science
My dad was murdered in August by a kid driving 120mph. My mom was also in the car, she spent a few days in the ICU and then 12 weeks in a combo back/neck brace. Fathers day is coming up, it'll be the first one without my dad. Its amazing how many people have tried to tell me to seek comfort in their god after everything my family has gone through. None of them give any regard to the insinuation that in their fairytale it it was their god that decided that all of my family's suffering was part of his plan. Anyway, in 2021 one out of every 93 deaths was due to a preventable vehicle wreck. Drive courteously, please. No one else needs to die the brutal death that my father did because of someone else's free, willing, and cognizant decision making.
I am so so so sorry for your loss! I remember the first Father’s Day after my dad died, it sucked. I’ll actually boycotted it. I wouldn’t go into any card stores or in the card section of anything or watch any commercials that had anything to do with Father’s Day. I hope that you and your mom are able to find some thing nice to do to remember him and that it brings you some peace.❤
@@CzBMusic Thankfully I had a lot of good memories and I was able to be with him at the end. But really, time is the only thing that helps. I wish I could give you a hug
I'm sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain you and your family are experiencing. I hope you're able to have peace on Father's day, whatever way that might be.
Old person adding to the discussion: when epidurals were introduced, church leaders felt it went against God's plan, because Eve had 'brought forth in labour', meaning she suffered. So God is used to excuse a lot of stuff
Wow. When I was in my second day of labour, it was against my birth plan, but I had to be convinced to have an epidural, by the midwife, as my last option of having a natural birth, and potentially, a live birth.
Isn't that the excuse for painful periods as well? Which, by the way, if your periods are painful, that is NOT in fact natural and you need to see a doctor because it can be a sign of a big issue!! People's belief in God's plan is causing them to ignore medical problems, which is really, really bad!
I remember reading that back in the day, since the pain of labor was considered women's rightful punishment for the whole apple thing, if a women had an easy birth, she was considered to have made a deal with the devil. The family/ midwife would rub a little fireplace ash into her poor abused vagina to give her a (hopefully) minor infection, so she and the child wouldn't be ostracized and punished. It obviously led to the suffering and deaths of women and probably some nursing newborns, but hey... it's all God's plan??
"Suffering is part of the sacred experience" So basically, God is a sadist? No wonder Satan rebelled. Kill it with fire and cry in a hole when it won't die sounds like my emergency spider plan.
It's an endless conversation, but one that is worthy of deeper consideration. One school of thought is that "HaSatan", literally "the accuser", is the father and instigator of suffering. His objective has always been to falsely accuse YHWH of evil to try to convince others to abandon and reject YHWH. He causes evil and disaster to happen, then whispers in their ears, "If your God really loved you, them why did he let this happen to you?" YHWH is seen as the father and instigator of all that is good. He allowed pain to occur as a means to communicate that something is wrong. If I break my leg and then I go to stand up on it, it will hurt. The pain tells me I need to get it checked out. If there was no pain, I would walk around on a broken leg and cause the break to get worse and worse. The same principle applies indirectly in a moral/spiritual sense. Mortality is a sobering reminder of the complications produced by evil - injustice, calamity, absurdity, etc. The kid choosing to drive 120 mph was an evil choice. For me the greatest consolation is my faith that life continues beyond the grave, and that there is an omnipotent Deity whole ultimately balances the scale of justice over the course of eternity.
I reccomend the fantasy novel "Von Bek" from Michael Moorcock. Great take on Satan being actually a very relateable guy. (Only book he ever wrote playing in this actual world) Best quote: "You go do the Devil´s work !", turning into Von Bek´s new family motto. Satan spreading enlightenment to end mankind´s suffering, forever. What a nice lad.
Yeah, God os not the good guy, not even in the bible. The one giving people free will is Satan. But it is not easy to explain this to religipus people.
Suffering isn't virtuous. Especially not inherently. If you can reduce suffering, yours or another, why wouldn't you? If your God wants you to suffer, that doesn't seem like a very good God.
@@rabanryssel137 I know the feeling. Every time I open Netflix, that handsome devil is the first show to pop up. Dammit, now I need to rewatch it again...
Not reducing suffering (because of God's plan) is people's excuse not to try to make the world better. Really, making the world better takes hard work, so people are scrambling for excuses not to have to do it.
@@safaiaryu12 Agreed. Seems much easier (and more honest) to simply admit they aren’t willing to put in the work rather than desperately trying to convince themselves they’re good people while doing nothing to be good. But eh, guess that’s their prerogative. 🤷🏾♂️
"Evil comes about because of misuse of Free Will!" "So I can totally end my own life as an act of free will?" "No, life is sacred, unless God kills it directly."
I swear there's never enough of these. 😂 Always hilarious and it's never not wholly entertaining to imagine these conversations happening in real life.
Come on that's unfair to Muslims you can't judge an entire religion based on extremes you know that wasn't God who told them to do that but rather there psychotic brain or the devil.
The song I learned in Sunday School was “He has the whole world in his hands.” God allows a LOT of terrible stuff to happen. It really doesn’t matter if he is a sadist or just callous, needless suffering will still occur.
People forget that even just a hundred years ago humans had a life expectancy of about maybe 50 years, tops. Death was around the corner on a good day.
Amen. Hypokrates had a different idea when he created the vow to never act to the detriment of a patient. Nowadays your suffering can go on for months or years longer than a few centuries ago - Let´s use the advancement in medince to IMPROVE people´s lives, rather than condemn them to a long, torturing death with no dignity. We do it for dogs, you know...
As someone with an incurable degenerative condition, this is legitimately my favorite video that you have ever done. I cannot wait to use this video as my reply to terrible Facebook comments.
A few years ago my mom did exactly this. She chose to stop her chemo because in her words " Just surviving is not living" I cried, rage screamed at the universe, cried again but not once did I question her right to choose this. But the Church people sure did. The pastors wife told her she was going to hell because it was basically suicide.
Shoulda told the pastor's wife that her Jesus said it wasn't man's to judge but only god's to judge. Judging other people is a sin, according to her god.
Mother Theresa glorified suffering like this, then went to a hospital with the best care all her money from donations could buy when she fell ill. But that was different because reasons so she became a Saint...
Thank you!! I was hoping someone would write a comment about Mother Theresa, and your comment exceeded my expectations. Mother Theresa certainly was a sick individual, who conned innumerable people.
Christian here. My mom is a cancer survivor. Dad lost his beliefs after she was diagnosed. We all take things differently. Christians that act like this made their bed and can sleep in it too, they deserve their reputation so none of this offends me but if this was based on real life experiences I am very terribly sorry. Those types of Christians are tone deaf and predatory with how they find vulnerability within people and try to twist their world. What's so hard about being loving and supportive?
They’re all citing the Book of Job, which is literally my least favourite part of the Bible. God ruins Job’s life - takes away his family, ruins his crops, etc. - but Job remains faithful to God. God speaks to him that it was all a show of his power & since Job remained faithful in spite of all the absolutely unnecessary suffering as Job was a good person, God returns everything & makes his life even better than before. Basically Job gets all the winnings in life for his suffering, but we’re expected to suffer for life & then reap the benefits in death…. The big Unknown during which we very well could just be worms’ meat & have embraced all that suffering & more in virtue of “God.” Seems like sound logic to me if there ever was any!
Even as a child, I could not accept the teachings of that book (I used to be Methodist, not by choice but because of my mother). Just the way his children were killed off because they were just his property, and how his wife coming in with relatable reactions and questions was just rebuffed. I asked my mother and the church leaders why Job's kids were killed off when Job was the one who was being tested. And they said things that weren't in that book like "maybe they were bad people". The worst was when they said "well Job got better children later" and all I thought was wow, that's so scary... so my parents can just kill me off and get better children later?
Except HIS KIDS are treated as "winnings". His kids were killed so God went "here ya go, have some spare ones I had lying around". Oh, and let's not forget that the Book of Job describes God as a Flat Earther with no clue about gravity or how weather happens.
He even got a "younger model" wife out of the deal. And brand new kids. Their god must see families as interchangeable. That's their Family Values for ya.
@@DinDeen "that's so scary... so my parents can just kill me off and get better children later?" I had a similar reaction to my dad's response coming home from the sermon about Abraham and Isaac and how the dad was going to sacrifice the son. I was pretty scared. So I asked my dad if he'd sacrifice me if god told him to. He didn't even skip a beat, immediately answering, "Of course I would! Any good christian man would do the same!" So not only is my dad to be feared, but so is "any good christian man." When they say Family Values what they mean is that their family does *not* come first.
@@missfortune8553 Yeah because Jewish people weren't following God so they had to be punished, like how they became slaves to the Egyptians. I was just standing there like "BROTHER-"
“is dying slowly and painfully part of the plan? because honestly not a great plan. in my opinion you’ll catch me unsubscribing from that one.” you’ll catch me subscribing with the notifs on so i know when i’m dying 🤩
Felt this like a sword in my throat. I'm a former Christian, and though I love my family to death and have genuinely good relationships with (most of) them, they all still believe this hypocritical shit. Every time something good happens they tell me that was god, and every time I'm struggling with something they tell me to seek his wisdom and that he's trying to "teach" me something. I still haven't found the courage to tell them that trying to follow his so-called wisdom and seek his will for years just led me to being bitter and judgemental and unhappy. I've loved who I am since abandoning the faith, and ironically I'm far more at peace now as an atheist than I ever was under the "king of peace."
I feel the same way as a former Muslim,in my country Pakistan,a failed suicide attempt is punishable with a one year prison sentence,but recently when a bill was put forth to decriminalize it,the clerics refused to let this bill pass
Christian here: Suffering isn’t God’s plan, it’s religion’s plan. People are addicted to suffering. It’s crazy to think that would be a good bar to measure holiness! Or entrance into “heaven”. Keep up the focus. Pointing out hypocrisy (ironic conundrum coming) is God’s worry, so keep it up! ❤ you! For real, no sarcasm. You’re hilarious and your material is brilliant! ❤
I only found this channel last night... uhm... OKAY it was 3 AM on a night of insomnia. Point is, I just found this channel and realized I've been missing out on some great humor. Subscribed.
the only explanation I've ever been able to come up with that makes any sense is that God's a writer. like sure, he loves us, but he also loves to put us through hell, purely because he is ~*~*all about the drama*~*~
Lol. This makes too much sense. Sometimes God is a writer. Sometimes he's a bored teen playing Sims, sticking us in the pool and taking away the ladder.
Completely agree. So glad my state has euthanasia. Can't believe so few states have it. It's not really suicide if you're dying is it? If you're God is so good then s/he/it wouldn't want you to suffer. We put our pets out of their misery but not our fellow human? Stupid.
I love this cause it's so relatable. XD, anyone says anything like that to me, and i go on a whole rant just like that😂 Also i agree with those asshole burns dealing with it rn😭
"Part of God's plan" is kind like the modern day equivalent of "all is for the best" OPTIMISM 2.0!!!!!! COME GET YOUR OPTIMISM FRESH AND WARM LIKE YOUR MI RE DO MI RE DO!!!!!!!!! (That was a sixth grade band (and maybe orchestra) reference)
This is based on my own interpretation and i don't associate with any religion, but i think a lot of people misinterpret this concept. Many religions emphasize the fact that there needs to be good and evil, destruction and hope, etc. The main takeaway shouldnt be that your god(s) want to see you suffer, but that we need that contrast. We couldn't be happy unless we are also sad sometimes. It's what makes us human, and i personally think that's something to celebrate. My life has not been easy, and I'm still finding my way, but at the same time I'm ultimately okay with what has happened. I've learned a lot that i might not have known otherwise and i think I'm a better person for it. It's the best way for me to come to terms with my situation, but i didn't exactly get there overnight so i definitely understand how hard it can be to hear that while you're still emotional and raw. I'm finally at a point where I'm seeing glimmers of light, so that also helps. Also, i don't believe that you could do anything and go off "gods plan." I believe everything is predestined, but that includes your behaviors/attitudes. So like let's say i want to be a teacher. It could be predetermined that i will be, but it would also be predestined that i work hard to get good grades and graduate college. Even if i start off lazy, at some point it is my destiny to change my attitude and eventually succeed. Life is about growth, and i think your successes along with your failures are all "part of the plan." Just trying to bring a new perspective. I kinda think all religions are essentially describing the same energy, so I believe in all and i believe in none. Anyway, thanks for listening and feel free to disagree
I think its more that they need evil in order to sell sermons. If nobody is putting money in the plate, the church closes despite the govt subsidy of not paying taxes while being an inherently political organization.
i really really need these laughs. my partner of 9yrs got a mid life crisis and yeah... i dont know if i ever knew him or did he just decide that he never knew what commitment was but yeah this is a hard one to get through so ty stanzi for these!
Sounds a lot like the female pastor that taught me how to play guitar. I don't thibk my grandma dying from an unknown illness will be God's plan, I thought he was meant to save people not kill them right away.
In Idaho its legal to kill your children by denying them healthcare. Its a carve-out for a particular christian cult. I should make myself clear: you have to profess to not believe in doctors because of your christian faith. So only christians can kill their children in Idaho. Its just one more Special Right christians get.
Sometimes I think alot of religions take the Bible too much at face value. Yes the morals and stories are still relevant and I myself am religious. But circumstances are different now then they were back then. I dont believe that Assisted or medical "help" is wrong at all. I dont think God or Jesus would think so either. They always quote that "suffering" chapter and I think its taken out context. I could be wrong but My God doesn't want anyone suffering 50% off the day Edit: I was raised Catholic but now believe in my own version of God and Jesus. Without what I call "man made sins". Sins man put in the Bible for their own agenda.
Yeah I'm of same mind, despite being ultimately humanist myself. People today are absolutely nothing like people back then. You died at about 20, maybe 30 years old *if you were lucky.* If you showed anyone from our time to someone back then, they'd think that was Methuselah. 😅
Making your own version of God is adultery realizing that were all in the same boat as sinners and that jesus already payed the price is the first step to being saved
@Eli Bonham This is flawed logic. We have so many different denominations and versions of the Bible because man has been creating their own version of God for centuries. So which version is the truest? I'd rather trust my own version of God because that's God inspiring me and leading me unadulterated and directly rather than through the words of questionable humans who have/had personal agendas. Looking at you, King James.
@@elibonham4388bro do you realize how this would work? The first religous thing is made Then other religious things are also made (examples are a,ac,and ab.) Now there is the first version of ab claiming to be the "true one" Then there is another ab claming to be the "true one" Most people go for the second so the first ab fades away And this keeps going on and on and on to the point where you'd be confuse to which one is the "real one" then you have language barriers and people adding in their propaganda (acceptance of slavery,woman's rights denied and etc.) And this is just AB where not even talking about a or ac and already theres others claiming to be the "true word of God/Gods and deities" like ab⁵×g and wow so many huh?
same here with islam, i always try to till people this is a 1500 year old book written by god himself, to be read by prophets who spoke definitely from us.
Two-sentence horror story: A man dies and goes to hell, so he asks Satan: “I might not have been the best believer but I did everything good and right; how comes I ended up in here?” Satan tells him: “And who told you that there ever was an alternative?”
The explanation I always hear is “he lets us go through suffering to remind us that we need him.” Which just makes god sound like an abusive boyfriend.
True XD
Everytime I hear a sermon like "God is jealous and only wants you to serve him" I'm like wow if he was human I'd be filing a restraining order and calling the police like I ain't want nothing to do with God if he's like that
@@VibinWitch yeah my fall from faith was equal parts “I don’t believe God is real,” and “I *hope* God isn’t real”
@@KyloGram something about this made me laugh. I feel this 😂😂😂
I’d never seen it phrased like that before, now I understand why it makes me cringe so much
Why are people so hell-bent on having a petty, wrathful, vengeful god, yet call him all-loving?
Can't have it both ways, folks.
If you follow the Old _and_ New Testament and believe it's all true, you do
@@m0L3ifyonestly the old and new testament were written by humans with their own agendas. God's or many gods are just chilling up there wondering when their creation went wrong and chose to portray them as vengeful and wrathful
@@m0L3ify Yet how many times does the Bible contradict itself?
@@EclecticallyEccentric especially between the OT and NT. Or the fact that there are 43.000+ denominations of Christianity but somehow, each one is the only correct one and every other one is wrong.
Whenever I hear people defending what god does, it sounds like they are defending their abusive boyfriend
Gods plan is sponsored by RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.
Oml YES
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Haven't we suffered enough?
Damnit 😂😂😂
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Great work, Stanzi. One of these prosperity gospel wackadoodles said to a friend who was dying of cancer, "What did you do to bring this upon yourself?" Ridiculous, hateful understanding of a higher power.
I’m sorry your friend was treated that way but it’s not uncommon ‘Christian’ behavior. My dad died when I was 14 and the female Bible teacher at my Christian school took me into an isolated room and told me that I had the devil in me. Some little girls there had asked if I was saved and I was honest and told them no. I was then bullied into getting ‘saved’ when my family had different Christian views of being saved (my family believed you have to be baptized first.) I was done with religion by 15! Thankfully my mother didn’t make me go to church. It’s all crap! 😊
Religious Trauma is real.
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Disgusting. I had a friend in college who lost her mom young to cancer, and another "friend" told her that her mom died because she didn't pray enough. Like!!! I was seeing red!!! How incredibly traumatizing to lose your parent AND THEN BE BLAMED FOR IT! I hate people so much!
@georgialoschiavo1270 I just don't understand how people can think like that! That kind of heartless religiousity makes me livid, too! Fortunately, not all people blame grieving people for their losses. Most people are compassionate.
"The third degree burn on my asshole is sacred."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
poetry
Quietly singing "every sperm is sacred." 😂
Lol
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If pain has no purpose, why is it there?
I can see it's physical reasons. As well as how it makes you stronger.
I mean it's why rich people make their children get jobs. So at least they'll be capable to take care of themselves in one aspect.
There's a great deal of wisdom that one can not learn without suffering.
That being said. I can see why in the Bible a third of the angels tried to kill God and take over. Totally can see why.
The look of panic at the end when “the 1940s” is mentioned 😂
I was hoping this era would make it into the bit 😂
Would anyone maybe like to explain to me, a blessedly ignorant soul haunting these comments?
@@sugoish9461WWII
@@sugoish9461 the airplane(s) was the USA 9/11/2001 on the Trade Towers in New York City.
The 1940s was World War 2 w Hitler and the genocide if the Jewish.... "God's ppl".... And there's when the irony and the deep thinking starts happening.... 💀🪦🙏🤧
@@sugoish9461 I cannot explain her 3rd degree a$$h0l3 burn... I'm still trying to figure out that one.....
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"God works in mysterious ways"
No, sweetie. God works in a-psychotic-12-year-old-playing-the-Sims ways
"hmm, what would happen if I just flood the entire earth tho?"
@@brook_angel💀💀 same energy as God trolling that one guy and having that guy almost kill his son
@@who-why-what Same energy of trolling that one guy by killing his whole family and taking everything from him to prove a point to Satan.
What if we were all Sims on God’s PC screen
@@omorinintendoswitchedition I'd believe it. Also dude has some crazy multitasking skills to be able to keep up with a few billion sims. Or it explains why a lot of people aren't properly taken care of in life.
Why are god's options in life always worse than the ones in serial killer games ☠️
''Yo man, the first one hundred years of chattel slavery were bussing, no cap, I should try it for another 100.'' G-d
Yeah I highly doubt that slowly suffering from cancer is a requirement to god, ending that after saying goodbyes and preventing the wasting away that is dying of cancer sounds like a far better option than suffering.
Yeah, and one thing I've learned watching Stanzi videos is that you can actually talk your way out of a serial killing. G-Man's 'Big C'...not so much.
Because humans are acting as God’s mouthpiece and they are terrible at Chinese whispers.
"so in the 1940s-" is SUCH a place to end and it hit just as hard the second time lmao
Kind of like the War?
Everyone says God has a plan, but no one ever questions if he has a good plan or not. Personally, I don't think he has jack shit. He probably just threw some microbes onto the planet, added some water, and watched it all play out.
Cursed chia pets 😭
@@adriandatura omg, I laughed so hard I choked. Thank you for sharing this truly cursed, truly hilarious thought.
Me in the school lab:
If there really is a deity out there, this is the best explanation for what they do.
Other than the polytheism route, where there are multiple gods trying to do their own thing, and sometimes clash with each other.
I think Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is specifically God not having a plan. Well, planning to see what happens with no plan. Just what I believe, my spirituality is heavily rooted in math/science
Really, the person on the receiving end of that rant should have been grateful. They were experiencing some *epic* levels of sacred suffering.
Haha, so true!! Love this comment. Underrated 😂
+2
Her suffering that rant was part of God's plan!
My dad was murdered in August by a kid driving 120mph. My mom was also in the car, she spent a few days in the ICU and then 12 weeks in a combo back/neck brace. Fathers day is coming up, it'll be the first one without my dad. Its amazing how many people have tried to tell me to seek comfort in their god after everything my family has gone through. None of them give any regard to the insinuation that in their fairytale it it was their god that decided that all of my family's suffering was part of his plan. Anyway, in 2021 one out of every 93 deaths was due to a preventable vehicle wreck. Drive courteously, please. No one else needs to die the brutal death that my father did because of someone else's free, willing, and cognizant decision making.
I am so so so sorry for your loss! I remember the first Father’s Day after my dad died, it sucked. I’ll actually boycotted it. I wouldn’t go into any card stores or in the card section of anything or watch any commercials that had anything to do with Father’s Day. I hope that you and your mom are able to find some thing nice to do to remember him and that it brings you some peace.❤
@@jenpink4298 thank you. I am sorry for your loss as well and I hope that time has made it easier to cope
@@CzBMusic Thankfully I had a lot of good memories and I was able to be with him at the end. But really, time is the only thing that helps. I wish I could give you a hug
I'm sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain you and your family are experiencing. I hope you're able to have peace on Father's day, whatever way that might be.
That is definitely 'adding insult to injury'.
Old person adding to the discussion: when epidurals were introduced, church leaders felt it went against God's plan, because Eve had 'brought forth in labour', meaning she suffered. So God is used to excuse a lot of stuff
Wow. When I was in my second day of labour, it was against my birth plan, but I had to be convinced to have an epidural, by the midwife, as my last option of having a natural birth, and potentially, a live birth.
Isn't that the excuse for painful periods as well? Which, by the way, if your periods are painful, that is NOT in fact natural and you need to see a doctor because it can be a sign of a big issue!! People's belief in God's plan is causing them to ignore medical problems, which is really, really bad!
I remember reading that back in the day, since the pain of labor was considered women's rightful punishment for the whole apple thing, if a women had an easy birth, she was considered to have made a deal with the devil. The family/ midwife would rub a little fireplace ash into her poor abused vagina to give her a (hopefully) minor infection, so she and the child wouldn't be ostracized and punished. It obviously led to the suffering and deaths of women and probably some nursing newborns, but hey... it's all God's plan??
... and very, very often when it's about things that take power, choice and independence away from women.
@@tessiepinkman well said 💯💯💯
"Suffering is part of the sacred experience" So basically, God is a sadist? No wonder Satan rebelled. Kill it with fire and cry in a hole when it won't die sounds like my emergency spider plan.
Damn kinda with Satan and the rebeling thing now that you point this out
It's an endless conversation, but one that is worthy of deeper consideration.
One school of thought is that "HaSatan", literally "the accuser", is the father and instigator of suffering. His objective has always been to falsely accuse YHWH of evil to try to convince others to abandon and reject YHWH. He causes evil and disaster to happen, then whispers in their ears, "If your God really loved you, them why did he let this happen to you?" YHWH is seen as the father and instigator of all that is good. He allowed pain to occur as a means to communicate that something is wrong. If I break my leg and then I go to stand up on it, it will hurt. The pain tells me I need to get it checked out. If there was no pain, I would walk around on a broken leg and cause the break to get worse and worse. The same principle applies indirectly in a moral/spiritual sense. Mortality is a sobering reminder of the complications produced by evil - injustice, calamity, absurdity, etc. The kid choosing to drive 120 mph was an evil choice. For me the greatest consolation is my faith that life continues beyond the grave, and that there is an omnipotent Deity whole ultimately balances the scale of justice over the course of eternity.
I reccomend the fantasy novel "Von Bek" from Michael Moorcock. Great take on Satan being actually a very relateable guy. (Only book he ever wrote playing in this actual world)
Best quote: "You go do the Devil´s work !", turning into Von Bek´s new family motto. Satan spreading enlightenment to end mankind´s suffering, forever. What a nice lad.
Yeah, God os not the good guy, not even in the bible. The one giving people free will is Satan. But it is not easy to explain this to religipus people.
I came to this conclusion after reading the Book of Genesis. That God, whoever he is, is def a sadist. I don't think it gets better in Exodus either.
Why do evangelicals make God sound like an abuser saying, "Look what you made me do." after beating his victim to a pulp? 🤷
Suffering isn't virtuous. Especially not inherently. If you can reduce suffering, yours or another, why wouldn't you? If your God wants you to suffer, that doesn't seem like a very good God.
The show Lucifer put it quite well: "Yes, everyone keeps saying he has a plan. But no one ever asks if he has a good plan, do they?"
@@Aredel fuck now I kinda want to rewatch it a sixth time
@@rabanryssel137 I know the feeling. Every time I open Netflix, that handsome devil is the first show to pop up. Dammit, now I need to rewatch it again...
Not reducing suffering (because of God's plan) is people's excuse not to try to make the world better. Really, making the world better takes hard work, so people are scrambling for excuses not to have to do it.
@@safaiaryu12 Agreed. Seems much easier (and more honest) to simply admit they aren’t willing to put in the work rather than desperately trying to convince themselves they’re good people while doing nothing to be good. But eh, guess that’s their prerogative. 🤷🏾♂️
it hurts that I know someone actually like this 😭
Sadly, same. 😢
@Ville umm wtf
@Ville_x omg saaaaame bestie. Fr though not the vibe
@Ville wow yeah um thats illegal. like thats not even cancelled, thats against the law. that makes you a criminal.
@@cultofmel woah, I try not to ask this for deleted comments but you've made me curious. What the hell did they say?
"suffering is part of the sacred experience"
I'm about to give you a sacred experience
"Evil comes about because of misuse of Free Will!" "So I can totally end my own life as an act of free will?" "No, life is sacred, unless God kills it directly."
I swear there's never enough of these. 😂 Always hilarious and it's never not wholly entertaining to imagine these conversations happening in real life.
The 9/11 joke had me rolling 😭
I’m fucking dying of laughter but then again I suppose that’s just a part of God’s Plan 😂
Come on that's unfair to Muslims you can't judge an entire religion based on extremes you know that wasn't God who told them to do that but rather there psychotic brain or the devil.
If there is a 'best way' to die, surely it is of laughter!
The song I learned in Sunday School was “He has the whole world in his hands.” God allows a LOT of terrible stuff to happen. It really doesn’t matter if he is a sadist or just callous, needless suffering will still occur.
“So in the 1940s..” Stanzi Potenza - 2023
I feel most people fighting against death with dignity haven't actually seen how awful dieing in the era of modern medicine can be
People forget that even just a hundred years ago humans had a life expectancy of about maybe 50 years, tops. Death was around the corner on a good day.
We tend to prolong life without enough consideration for quality of life...
Amen. Hypokrates had a different idea when he created the vow to never act to the detriment of a patient. Nowadays your suffering can go on for months or years longer than a few centuries ago - Let´s use the advancement in medince to IMPROVE people´s lives, rather than condemn them to a long, torturing death with no dignity. We do it for dogs, you know...
As someone with an incurable degenerative condition, this is legitimately my favorite video that you have ever done. I cannot wait to use this video as my reply to terrible Facebook comments.
Oh...well I hope you find peace WITHIN your own terms 🙏
A few years ago my mom did exactly this. She chose to stop her chemo because in her words " Just surviving is not living" I cried, rage screamed at the universe, cried again but not once did I question her right to choose this. But the Church people sure did. The pastors wife told her she was going to hell because it was basically suicide.
Shoulda told the pastor's wife that her Jesus said it wasn't man's to judge but only god's to judge. Judging other people is a sin, according to her god.
Mother Theresa glorified suffering like this, then went to a hospital with the best care all her money from donations could buy when she fell ill. But that was different because reasons so she became a Saint...
Thank you!! I was hoping someone would write a comment about Mother Theresa, and your comment exceeded my expectations. Mother Theresa certainly was a sick individual, who conned innumerable people.
@Daniella McGee There needs to be an entry in the Guinness book of records for most massive case of Munchausen by proxy in history just for her.
If suffering is a gift, where can I return it? I admit it, I'm picky, but gift cards work wonders for people like me, pun intended
Yeah I think I would prefer a target gift card rather that’s suffering so if you have the gift receipt that would be great
If suffering is a gift, "Christ the Redeemer" makes so much more sense now. "Suffering again, Dad? Fuck it, I'm gonna return this gift!"
Christian here. My mom is a cancer survivor. Dad lost his beliefs after she was diagnosed. We all take things differently. Christians that act like this made their bed and can sleep in it too, they deserve their reputation so none of this offends me but if this was based on real life experiences I am very terribly sorry. Those types of Christians are tone deaf and predatory with how they find vulnerability within people and try to twist their world. What's so hard about being loving and supportive?
Who knows but those people put the truth in "There's no hate like Christian 'love'."
To me all Christians are fools
This video was aptly preceded by an ad for Taco Bell’s $5 Cravings Box, which I’m so in the mood for now
That was absolutely God's plan. 🤣
They’re all citing the Book of Job, which is literally my least favourite part of the Bible. God ruins Job’s life - takes away his family, ruins his crops, etc. - but Job remains faithful to God. God speaks to him that it was all a show of his power & since Job remained faithful in spite of all the absolutely unnecessary suffering as Job was a good person, God returns everything & makes his life even better than before. Basically Job gets all the winnings in life for his suffering, but we’re expected to suffer for life & then reap the benefits in death…. The big Unknown during which we very well could just be worms’ meat & have embraced all that suffering & more in virtue of “God.” Seems like sound logic to me if there ever was any!
Even as a child, I could not accept the teachings of that book (I used to be Methodist, not by choice but because of my mother). Just the way his children were killed off because they were just his property, and how his wife coming in with relatable reactions and questions was just rebuffed. I asked my mother and the church leaders why Job's kids were killed off when Job was the one who was being tested. And they said things that weren't in that book like "maybe they were bad people". The worst was when they said "well Job got better children later" and all I thought was wow, that's so scary... so my parents can just kill me off and get better children later?
Except HIS KIDS are treated as "winnings". His kids were killed so God went "here ya go, have some spare ones I had lying around".
Oh, and let's not forget that the Book of Job describes God as a Flat Earther with no clue about gravity or how weather happens.
He even got a "younger model" wife out of the deal. And brand new kids. Their god must see families as interchangeable. That's their Family Values for ya.
@@DinDeen "that's so scary... so my parents can just kill me off and get better children later?"
I had a similar reaction to my dad's response coming home from the sermon about Abraham and Isaac and how the dad was going to sacrifice the son. I was pretty scared. So I asked my dad if he'd sacrifice me if god told him to. He didn't even skip a beat, immediately answering, "Of course I would! Any good christian man would do the same!" So not only is my dad to be feared, but so is "any good christian man." When they say Family Values what they mean is that their family does *not* come first.
@@havableinteresting. Your next question should have been if god told me to kill you, would that be OK.
*proceeds to explain the entire Earth's existence over the period of four days*
"So in the 1940s-" dude that fact that I've listened to someone justify that as Gods plan😭😭
Pardon? 😭
@@missfortune8553 Yeah because Jewish people weren't following God so they had to be punished, like how they became slaves to the Egyptians. I was just standing there like "BROTHER-"
Oof
my mom does too 🥲
How can she give us detailed imagery about Taco Bell shits and still be the hottest person I’ve ever seen, like wtf
“is dying slowly and painfully part of the plan? because honestly not a great plan. in my opinion you’ll catch me unsubscribing from that one.” you’ll catch me subscribing with the notifs on so i know when i’m dying 🤩
Bro the ending. "So in the 1940's" has me dieing 😂😂😂
Your spelling of 'dying' finished me off. 💀
"so in the 1940s.."
uh-oh, someone's cracking open a big one
I hope you know I will now be using this whenever someone in my rural community in the south-east of the U.S. wants to talk about "God's Plan".
"so in the 1940s-"
perfectly executed.
Ouchie. That specific time period at the end into the both economic and merciful cut off.
They said enough. Ouchie.
Felt this like a sword in my throat. I'm a former Christian, and though I love my family to death and have genuinely good relationships with (most of) them, they all still believe this hypocritical shit. Every time something good happens they tell me that was god, and every time I'm struggling with something they tell me to seek his wisdom and that he's trying to "teach" me something. I still haven't found the courage to tell them that trying to follow his so-called wisdom and seek his will for years just led me to being bitter and judgemental and unhappy. I've loved who I am since abandoning the faith, and ironically I'm far more at peace now as an atheist than I ever was under the "king of peace."
I feel the same way as a former Muslim,in my country Pakistan,a failed suicide attempt is punishable with a one year prison sentence,but recently when a bill was put forth to decriminalize it,the clerics refused to let this bill pass
@@hannaansari2921That's awful. Do they really think this discourages suicide? If anything, I imagine people put effort into getting it right.
God's plan is that we're a petri dish experiment gone wrong
“bodily atrocities” 😂😂😂
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"So in the 1940s" I'm dead asf
Christian here: Suffering isn’t God’s plan, it’s religion’s plan. People are addicted to suffering. It’s crazy to think that would be a good bar to measure holiness! Or entrance into “heaven”. Keep up the focus. Pointing out hypocrisy (ironic conundrum coming) is God’s worry, so keep it up!
❤ you! For real, no sarcasm. You’re hilarious and your material is brilliant! ❤
Fucking insane people writing these
Almost as bad when they say God wanted this person more.
I only found this channel last night... uhm... OKAY it was 3 AM on a night of insomnia. Point is, I just found this channel and realized I've been missing out on some great humor.
Subscribed.
the only explanation I've ever been able to come up with that makes any sense is that God's a writer. like sure, he loves us, but he also loves to put us through hell, purely because he is ~*~*all about the drama*~*~
Lol. This makes too much sense.
Sometimes God is a writer. Sometimes he's a bored teen playing Sims, sticking us in the pool and taking away the ladder.
@@safaiaryu12 lmao I mean, is there a difference...?
So, Chuck?
Completely agree. So glad my state has euthanasia. Can't believe so few states have it. It's not really suicide if you're dying is it? If you're God is so good then s/he/it wouldn't want you to suffer. We put our pets out of their misery but not our fellow human? Stupid.
I guess the logic is that pets don't go to heaven anyway, so they don't have to suffer for god's amusement.
The “Not a great plan” immediately made me think of Tony Stark and hit me with so much nostalgia
#TooSoon.
“another one thank you” gets me every time
I love this cause it's so relatable. XD, anyone says anything like that to me, and i go on a whole rant just like that😂 Also i agree with those asshole burns dealing with it rn😭
I'm hoping that there will be a part 2 to this because I would love to hear what you'd have to say about the 1940's.
God fukkin DAMN I love u Stanzi! Never. NEVER STOP! ❤❤❤
I will never not be obsessed with you ❤
So it was all gods plan that I happened to stumble upon this video and end up liking and subscribing. I see I see 🤔
It's perfect. No notes. ❤
I LOVE the extended versions of your skits. Incredible. 😂 third degree burns 💀
If suffering is part of God's gift, I'd like to return it. I have the receipt!
Those asshole burns be making me want to cut my spinal nerves
"So in the 1940s-"
Hey- hold on you can't just stop there?!?💀💀
I can't tell you how much I love this. I wish I could like it 1,000 times more.
God does be staying mysterious ways and shit tho, don't he?
God be staying non-existent
Loved your sketch as always, but just wanted to say that you look especially pretty in pastels and your nails and makeup are gorgeous!
"Part of God's plan" is kind like the modern day equivalent of "all is for the best"
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(That was a sixth grade band (and maybe orchestra) reference)
And yes, there are some religious figures who claim that the holocaust was also part of god's plan...
Uuy uy uy, we got a mother teresa here don't we with all that "suffering is part of God's plan"
This is based on my own interpretation and i don't associate with any religion, but i think a lot of people misinterpret this concept. Many religions emphasize the fact that there needs to be good and evil, destruction and hope, etc. The main takeaway shouldnt be that your god(s) want to see you suffer, but that we need that contrast. We couldn't be happy unless we are also sad sometimes. It's what makes us human, and i personally think that's something to celebrate. My life has not been easy, and I'm still finding my way, but at the same time I'm ultimately okay with what has happened. I've learned a lot that i might not have known otherwise and i think I'm a better person for it. It's the best way for me to come to terms with my situation, but i didn't exactly get there overnight so i definitely understand how hard it can be to hear that while you're still emotional and raw. I'm finally at a point where I'm seeing glimmers of light, so that also helps.
Also, i don't believe that you could do anything and go off "gods plan." I believe everything is predestined, but that includes your behaviors/attitudes. So like let's say i want to be a teacher. It could be predetermined that i will be, but it would also be predestined that i work hard to get good grades and graduate college. Even if i start off lazy, at some point it is my destiny to change my attitude and eventually succeed. Life is about growth, and i think your successes along with your failures are all "part of the plan." Just trying to bring a new perspective. I kinda think all religions are essentially describing the same energy, so I believe in all and i believe in none. Anyway, thanks for listening and feel free to disagree
I think its more that they need evil in order to sell sermons. If nobody is putting money in the plate, the church closes despite the govt subsidy of not paying taxes while being an inherently political organization.
I loved that ending!😂
I think having the option to go out on your own terms in these situations should be more common and accessible.
Damnn, comedy gold with some legitimate slights on religion. Bravo Mam 👏🏼👏🏼
"the 3rd degree burn on my azshole is sacred" im wailing😂😂🤣
I don’t understand how she says such funny stuff and doesn’t even let out a chuckle
I'm sure she cracks herself up writing the scripts.
The pastel rainbow cardigan is beautfiul
SHE IS FANTASTIC😂
"The 3rd degree burn on my asshole" oh my god dude I'm eating. I'm fucking dead 😂😂😂
“The third degree burn on my asshole” 🤣🤣🤣
NEVER STOP! Your videos are helping me get through my divorce with dark humor! 😁😁 Love ya!
That is some very high praise! Take care, you!
So in the 1940s... Beautiful!
Plot twist: she's secretly doing a Del Taco ad 😅
I need a part two
i really really need these laughs. my partner of 9yrs got a mid life crisis and yeah... i dont know if i ever knew him or did he just decide that he never knew what commitment was but yeah this is a hard one to get through so ty stanzi for these!
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Hang in there hun it gets easier and better with time and distance.. im sorry you're hurting now tho 😞 love and light and best wishes to you 🕯️💖
Sounds a lot like the female pastor that taught me how to play guitar. I don't thibk my grandma dying from an unknown illness will be God's plan, I thought he was meant to save people not kill them right away.
"so in the 1940s" is the perfect way to end this lmao
LOL I love your comedy so much. I've turned so many people on by--er--TO you 😅
I love these vids. Making an obvious point with humor. Plus, you are stunningly beautiful.
i refuse to believe that there are people like that
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Then I guess none of us should get vaccinated for anything, we shouldn’t have healthcare etc.
Pretty much, yeah.
In Idaho its legal to kill your children by denying them healthcare. Its a carve-out for a particular christian cult. I should make myself clear: you have to profess to not believe in doctors because of your christian faith. So only christians can kill their children in Idaho. Its just one more Special Right christians get.
I fucking LOVE it. Hands down, my favorite creator. We'd definitely be friends IRL. 😂😂❤❤
It’s not food poisoning, it’s a feature~
Bringing Taco Bell to a sermon should be an official form of worship.
You just won me as a subscriber. That was epic!!!
I love your vids 💗
"When the first plane hit-" STOP RIGHT THERE ✋🏼😀
I love you so much for this.💫💖💫
That was the perfect ending line!
Sometimes I think alot of religions take the Bible too much at face value. Yes the morals and stories are still relevant and I myself am religious. But circumstances are different now then they were back then. I dont believe that Assisted or medical "help" is wrong at all. I dont think God or Jesus would think so either. They always quote that "suffering" chapter and I think its taken out context. I could be wrong but My God doesn't want anyone suffering 50% off the day
Edit: I was raised Catholic but now believe in my own version of God and Jesus. Without what I call "man made sins". Sins man put in the Bible for their own agenda.
Yeah I'm of same mind, despite being ultimately humanist myself.
People today are absolutely nothing like people back then. You died at about 20, maybe 30 years old *if you were lucky.*
If you showed anyone from our time to someone back then, they'd think that was Methuselah. 😅
Making your own version of God is adultery realizing that were all in the same boat as sinners and that jesus already payed the price is the first step to being saved
@Eli Bonham This is flawed logic. We have so many different denominations and versions of the Bible because man has been creating their own version of God for centuries. So which version is the truest?
I'd rather trust my own version of God because that's God inspiring me and leading me unadulterated and directly rather than through the words of questionable humans who have/had personal agendas. Looking at you, King James.
@@elibonham4388bro do you realize how this would work?
The first religous thing is made
Then other religious things are also made (examples are a,ac,and ab.)
Now there is the first version of ab claiming to be the "true one"
Then there is another ab claming to be the "true one"
Most people go for the second so the first ab fades away
And this keeps going on and on and on to the point where you'd be confuse to which one is the "real one" then you have language barriers and people adding in their propaganda (acceptance of slavery,woman's rights denied and etc.) And this is just AB where not even talking about a or ac and already theres others claiming to be the "true word of God/Gods and deities" like ab⁵×g and wow so many huh?
same here with islam, i always try to till people this is a 1500 year old book written by god himself, to be read by prophets who spoke definitely from us.
Thank you thank you thank you, I needed this. Keep up the good work 👏😆
I watched a 30 second ad for this… I love stanza but ads are killing
One of you absolute best 😂
Two-sentence horror story:
A man dies and goes to hell, so he asks Satan: “I might not have been the best believer but I did everything good and right; how comes I ended up in here?”
Satan tells him: “And who told you that there ever was an alternative?”