Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Mark Selby | Thrilling Ending after Incident Part 1

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  • An incident in frame 4 increases the willingness of both players to win the crucial final frame (final frame in Part 2 of this series).
    The Premier League was played in a round-robin format in the group stage. 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw. In the event of a tie, the number of frames won counted. The top four then played best of 9 matches in the semi-finals and best of 13 in the final.
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Komentáře • 406

  • @30yearslater27
    @30yearslater27 Před 4 lety +30

    I don't think I'll ever really understand this game, but I love watching it. Although the rules are much simpler for pool in the US, these guys are fucking Masters! I don't know many of your players, but Ronnie O'Sullivan is brilliant.

    • @j.jwhitty5861
      @j.jwhitty5861 Před 4 lety +5

      I have played snooker for years, the professional and armature rules are different, if you love American Pool you would absolutely become addicted to Snooker, trust me ;)

    • @mrmidnight32
      @mrmidnight32 Před 4 lety

      Instead of balls pocketed till the end it’s a point game. Little difficult at first but fairly easy to learn. Hard part is learning the new table.

    • @trappenweisseguy27
      @trappenweisseguy27 Před 3 lety +5

      Table is much bigger, pockets are much smaller and are designed to throw balls out instead of angling them in. I was raised on both and consider snooker to be the far harder game. Just pocketing the balls is much harder. Steve Mizerak used to go over to England and enter into tournaments. He didn’t win much but I think he eventually got a high break of 79 points iirc. Always admired him for giving it a serious go.

  • @MohitYTChhannel
    @MohitYTChhannel Před 3 lety +42

    I am surprised no one in the comment section is pointing out how badly Paul Collier respotted the balls after Ronnie's second attempt. Compare 15:44 with 17:18. Paul didn't even try to refer the monitor. I expect better from him.

    • @sharpvidtube
      @sharpvidtube Před rokem

      Might be from before they started using the monitor? Back in the days when Selby was going thin on top😂

  • @werhold
    @werhold Před 4 lety +37

    you just save 15 minutes of my life - thanks

  • @planshet2549
    @planshet2549 Před 4 lety +519

    15:41 thank me later

  • @sick0em0more0
    @sick0em0more0 Před 3 lety +23

    still love how the ref says he cant say what makes a shot a miss, but that he'll call it when he sees it. Ronnie shouldve hit every ball on the table in protest, not just the green.

    • @carlhartwell7978
      @carlhartwell7978 Před 3 lety +1

      The ref would likely have considered that type of intentional foul misconduct enough to award the frame to Selby. He was being lenient with the other intentional fouls, what you suggest would have been too much.

    • @sick0em0more0
      @sick0em0more0 Před 3 lety +2

      @@carlhartwell7978 the point of a protest is to make a point, no? Not to mention that Ronnie was throwing that frame away anyways. Each of those miss calls were objectionable. Take the lot of them into account and it makes an otherwise competent ref look quite the opposite.

    • @carlhartwell7978
      @carlhartwell7978 Před 3 lety +1

      @@sick0em0more0 I've said all I needed to say on the matter in a recent comment, if you want my basic reply you can look at the most recent comments and you can object if you want.
      Bottom line is though, I disagree, there was nothing to protest.

    • @nicholasmartin787
      @nicholasmartin787 Před rokem +3

      None of the miss call were questionable, Ronnie was trying to refer to the rule where the attempt is good enough in a near impossible snooker, this snooker was fairly straight forward. For the miss not to be awarded Ronnie would need to hit the object ball, if he then went in-off, the ref wouldn't have awarded the miss, but ref made the correct call on all three of the first attempts, but should have awarded the frame after the first deliberate foul, just Ronnie showing his lack of skill and playing up like usual.

  • @philtaylor7226
    @philtaylor7226 Před 4 lety +15

    Great Upload. I think the first 2 were clear misses and 3rd attempt should not have been a miss as no way was he playing to gain an advantage there.

  • @MrMetalManMe
    @MrMetalManMe Před 4 lety +30

    Perfect editing. Can you do this with some of Ebdons matches 😃

    • @jeremys8360
      @jeremys8360 Před 3 lety +8

      Editor would die of old age before the first episode

    • @harizfitri1930
      @harizfitri1930 Před 3 lety +1

      @@jeremys8360 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Dougal-Mcguire
    @Dougal-Mcguire Před 3 lety +9

    anyone else wish we could have the birds eye cam for most of the match?

  • @franek_izerski
    @franek_izerski Před 4 lety +50

    This miss rule was an attempt to prevent players from trying to "get away" with something. Ronnie proved in his second attempt that he didn't try to get away with it. He actually came quite close in hitting the yellow, which was a very difficult yellow to hit, even without trying to get it safe. So he did not agree with the miss call after the second attempt. He even tried the shot on the jaws, two times, which certainly wouldn't have left it safe, so he stiil didn't try to get away with anything. As a matter of fact, he came quite close, but still the referee called a miss. Than Ronnie was so disgusted by the ref, that he deliberately fouled in protest.

    • @adrianwright8685
      @adrianwright8685 Před 4 lety +4

      15:42 odd snooker this - doesn't look that difficult off one cushion which Ronnie tries twice and misses on either side - which would seem to show that it's definitely possible that way - don't understand why he changed shot? Playing off the jaws does seem much more hit and hope!

    • @mrmidnight32
      @mrmidnight32 Před 4 lety +6

      It’s just the way he throws fits when he’s backed into a tough corner. He needs to keep his composure and keep playing weather her likes it or not. It’s his job.
      You can’t just walk off the work site when you don’t want to do something can you? No you do the job and hate it later. That’s why it’s your profession.

    • @jonobrow
      @jonobrow Před 3 lety +3

      @@adrianwright8685 Did you notice where the black was? I'm sure it was possible the first way, but the risk was of catching the black, which would be almost twice the penalty of a simple miss, so he could get two attempts at the off-the-jaws shot for the same cost. I think Ronnie's gripe was that since Mark got a free ball, calling a miss was unnecessarily punitive.

    • @jonobrow
      @jonobrow Před 3 lety +2

      @@mrmidnight32 Not sure that's fair. Ronnie knows his psychology - he's aware that he starts to lose interest in slow games and that once he loses interest he doesn't play as well, so I interpret this as him doing what he can to keep the pace of the match up. Everyone knows snooker is partly a psychological battle - just think back to Ronnie's match against Peter Ebdon in the 2005 World Championship. Players know that pace is Ronnie's strength, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that slow, tactical play is used deliberately by players against him. This is just his way of combating it. None of that is against the rules of snooker, or bad sportsmanship. He didn't break any rules here - he continued playing until he was mathematically unable to win the frame, and then he conceded.

    • @HDsharp
      @HDsharp Před 3 lety

      @@mrmidnight32 So true, imagine ronnie being a poker player? he would be on full tilt after every bad beat...lol
      Also, when he has to fight or come from behind it forces him to gamble and play high risk snooker then its either self-destruct or win in style but never by deliberate calculated sensible textbook snooker. In Short Ronnie is a crank..lol

  • @333peacher4
    @333peacher4 Před 4 lety +13

    15:45 deliberate foul, thou the entirety is very enjoyable.

  • @RobertOrgRobert
    @RobertOrgRobert Před 3 lety +11

    5:54 how was that even possible

    • @lewis8476
      @lewis8476 Před 3 lety +1

      Using outside side, in this case right hand side. It reacts quicker instead of plain ball which would push it more towards the bauble cushion

  • @itnaklipse1669
    @itnaklipse1669 Před 4 lety +4

    Do people forget Ronnie has said he'd rather lose a frame in 20 minutes than win in 40...he doesn't give a fuck win or lose, he plays and sees what happens. He doesn't try to get a win at all costs, cause to him it's not about winning but about playing. He eithe wins by SKILL or he loses. Only NITWITS have a problem with that and glorify people who are only interested in winning.

    • @CesarMuroya
      @CesarMuroya  Před 4 lety +3

      "I'd rather do a decent shot and lose than win and play badly." - Ronnie O'Sullivan.

  • @boahneelassmal
    @boahneelassmal Před 3 lety +8

    Snooker: By rule a Gentlemen's sport
    Comments: f*ck Selby
    shame...

    • @normanno8514
      @normanno8514 Před 3 lety

      selby has a terriblr attitude what do you expect people to say?

  • @halkael2317
    @halkael2317 Před 4 lety +5

    12:30... wtf!?!? Wow! You need to be lucky to be good, and good to be lucky

  • @irteza.d
    @irteza.d Před 3 lety +23

    I think Selby did the right thing. I mean, what would you do if you are 3 frames down and have left your opponent a hell of a snooker to hit. He knew that he could get some points out of it and Ronnie is not so mentally strong.

    • @hargitsingh4971
      @hargitsingh4971 Před 2 lety

      Selby came across as a complete ass because of his mannerism! And that is why Selby was accusing Ronnie of "disrespect" recently when Ronnie has now chosen the strategy to smash his way through any snooker.

  • @Griddys
    @Griddys Před 3 lety +9

    That 2nd attempt was valid and the ref was wrong to call miss ...descresion is used and he didnt ...Ronnie was right for once. End of daySelby had a freeball as well and said nothing ...shame on him not to take it

  • @tonybarfridge4369
    @tonybarfridge4369 Před 4 lety +16

    Selby not bullied into leaving a shot for Ronnie 😁 No he's not taking the free ball when there's a chance to rile Ronnie further 😆

  • @e.e121
    @e.e121 Před 4 lety +5

    Some of the tightest pockets I've ever seen played on

  • @onceuponatime8579
    @onceuponatime8579 Před 3 lety +20

    I would like to remind that the name of the sport is SNOOKER. Mark was right

  • @adrianwright8685
    @adrianwright8685 Před 4 lety +13

    15:42 odd snooker this - doesn't look that difficult off one cushion which Ronnie tries twice and misses on either side - which would seem to show that it's definitely possible that way - don't understand why he changed shot?

    • @Pumastu1978
      @Pumastu1978 Před 4 lety +2

      The middle pocket is the area needed to hit to escape, so it is difficult

    • @adrianwright8685
      @adrianwright8685 Před 4 lety +3

      @@Pumastu1978 Hi Stuart, he misses the black on either side; 15:42 and 16:15, each time hitting the green cushion far from the pocket so clearly somewhere in between must work.

    • @Pumastu1978
      @Pumastu1978 Před 4 lety +2

      @@adrianwright8685 the black is obscuring the escape as played from above the middle pocket, to play from below, the side spin needed I assume wouldn't take enough to give the angle needed.

    • @sharpvidtube
      @sharpvidtube Před rokem

      Just a protest about the miss rule? He's obviously not deliberately trying to miss, until he decided to deliberately miss😂 I think they could use AI now, to work out the difficulty of a snooker and if a player has tried hard enough to hit the ball.

  • @nicholasmartin787
    @nicholasmartin787 Před rokem +1

    Ref should have awarded frame to Selby after the first deliberate foul and definitely after the second, as per the rules.

  • @billfrater1948
    @billfrater1948 Před 3 lety +11

    The miss rule has got way out of hand and needs addressing asap. Refs and players know when it has been a genuine attempt.

  • @greenhornet1955
    @greenhornet1955 Před 4 lety +5

    12:37 what a shot

  • @SilverTrill
    @SilverTrill Před 3 lety +6

    Big up ronnie WORLD CHAMP 😎

    • @yessanknow302
      @yessanknow302 Před 3 lety

      Big up Mark WORLD CHAMP 😎

    • @SilverTrill
      @SilverTrill Před 3 lety

      @@yessanknow302 u been waiting 8 months to say that 🤣🤣 il see u soon when Ronnie does it again 🔥😎💪🏾

  • @leec6424
    @leec6424 Před 4 lety +4

    Ronnie is the most gifted player ever and selby has had to work hard to be a machine but come on Ronnie could beat anyone when he is at his best and give them a 30 point head start oh and left handers with an eye patch on

    • @gregjacobs8544
      @gregjacobs8544 Před 3 lety +3

      They both had to work hard...

    • @63Baggies
      @63Baggies Před 2 lety

      Ronnie is a savant, like a Mozart or Paganini; he's so far ahead of the vast majority of his opponents he virtually helps them in order to amuse himself. A once in a century talent (pardon the pun).

  • @mister.c4631
    @mister.c4631 Před 3 lety +3

    That 2nd frame fluke Ronnie never apologised for that’s where this all starts imo

  • @MohdImran-rk1rh
    @MohdImran-rk1rh Před 4 lety +3

    I like the way Selby looks at the end of frame

    • @burhanjamil1155
      @burhanjamil1155 Před 3 lety

      You would like it when a rat like Selby plays dirty

    • @causeitso
      @causeitso Před 3 lety

      @@burhanjamil1155 dirty! Have you even played snooker before!

    • @hellohandsome9875
      @hellohandsome9875 Před rokem

      He's a misery at any time

  • @pianfkgnewzealand5150
    @pianfkgnewzealand5150 Před 3 lety

    Terbaikk rossli ..

  • @raymusic5840
    @raymusic5840 Před 2 lety +1

    Sharp skilful the best

  • @michaelolson6982
    @michaelolson6982 Před 4 lety +3

    The miss rule obviously needs to be addressed and in its current form has ran it's course .Since the miss rule is supposed to be for the reason of an opponent playing an escape which results in gaining an unfair advantage, my personal way to address the entire situation would be balls can be returned to their previous position but only the original foul points will be awarded to the player receiving foul points which is equally unfair under certain circumstances.

    • @stevenmaddock494
      @stevenmaddock494 Před 4 lety +2

      My proposed solution is to allow the fouler to decline to retake the shot, which then allows the opponent to move the cue ball to any position on the entire table.
      Gives them some power to say "thats enough, lets get on with it"

  • @VINNIEJONES10
    @VINNIEJONES10 Před 4 lety +8

    13:10 there’s an error in the remaining points available. There was 2 more than suggested

    • @VINNIEJONES10
      @VINNIEJONES10 Před 4 lety

      Neil Jerzynek mate. Says there was 11 left. When there’s actually 13. Take that back you melt.

    • @harrypendlebury5042
      @harrypendlebury5042 Před 4 lety

      @@VINNIEJONES10 thats what he meant you fudgepooodle.. Theres 2 more points on the table than suggested

    • @daddypig.5796
      @daddypig.5796 Před 3 lety +3

      WTF is a fudgepoodle? 😂😂😂

  • @judgetk8327
    @judgetk8327 Před 3 lety +2

    That ref can be a prick when he wants to be. Good vid.

  • @tboyy1234
    @tboyy1234 Před 4 lety +2

    17mins19 is not a miss. This ref is terrible and ALWAYS grumpy. Bring back Michaela Tabb.

  • @neilpotts2302
    @neilpotts2302 Před 3 lety +23

    Mark slowby ! Like watching paint dry! Imagine playing against him and Eldon in the pairs! You'd need Prozac to keep awake

  • @tad555
    @tad555 Před 4 lety +13

    The shot at 10:58 is the difference between Ronnie and Selby. No way in a million years would Selby not have them replaced in a similar situation. In fact Ronnie of recent years would have them replaced more often than not especially against the top players

    • @Charlie.c19
      @Charlie.c19 Před 4 lety +2

      He nearly hit it first attempt, very slow with check side. He'd probably hit it second time knowing how the cloth and cushion react to that exact stroke.
      So it would be crazy to not take the free ball in that situation.

    • @ConradRDakarn
      @ConradRDakarn Před 4 lety

      @@Charlie.c19 Doesn't matter if he nearly hit it. The Yellow wasn't in a good position to make the follow up play after taking the free ball.
      Smart move would be to make Selby take the shot again and then you've got the Yellow freed up for the easier clearance.

  • @michaelschmidt3334
    @michaelschmidt3334 Před 4 lety +2

    Yeah that's cool and I am a huge Ronnie fan but come on man you the best go for the yellow

    • @dziqhswitch861
      @dziqhswitch861 Před 4 lety

      There should be a limit on how many times you can do that tho

  • @hassanalihusseini1717
    @hassanalihusseini1717 Před 4 lety +1

    Honestly I don't like matches with time limits. At least may be it could changed a little bit: For example, it could be done with a kind of over all match time control as in chess, so every player gets 10min for the frame and has to press a shot clock (and may be 10s increment for each shot). That way you can think about difficult shots longer than for easier ones.

    • @sukoo1
      @sukoo1 Před 3 lety

      its just the tournament format, most dont have a timer.

  • @mkhlis7994
    @mkhlis7994 Před 4 lety +4

    When he flukes it and didn't raise hand 😍😍😍

    • @MrMadreko
      @MrMadreko Před 3 lety

      Why should he? MS is not and will never be his friend....so...you see at the end of frame 4 how big MS's problem is. 😂😂😂

  • @brettrock278
    @brettrock278 Před 3 lety +2

    Okay, how about behind-the-line, spot-shot or a ball-in-hand to resolve this? What if your playing and there is no ref to judge? Is there something i'm not getting?

    • @davidmellish3295
      @davidmellish3295 Před 3 lety +1

      If it's a game between friends/amateurs etc the miss rule is not normally played.its really for the professionals cause the ref has to judge if a good enough attempt has been made to hit the ball. So if there is no ref there is nobody to judge if the player has made a good enough attempt or not. Also most of us don't have the skills the pros do,so it's very different cause we may be trying our hardest but still getting no where near the ball. So this only really applies at the top level

  • @abhimanyukarkara4218
    @abhimanyukarkara4218 Před 4 lety +12

    The more I watch snooker more I like Mark Selby. I felt really bad when Mark beat Ronnie in 2014 WC final, but now when I see Ronnie not tapping the table, or acknowledging the brilliant shots by Selby or apologize for bizarre flukes (he certainly doesn't have to), I feel better about that WC final.

    • @patrickdolan2014
      @patrickdolan2014 Před 4 lety +8

      Selby is one of the worst things to happen to the entertainment side of snooker ...... just kills any excitement there could ever be

    • @catweasle5737
      @catweasle5737 Před 4 lety +4

      Selby is a top player and a great guy. I notice that a lot about Ronnie too. He is a pig of a player unless he is playing an Asian opponent.

    • @sladjanivkovic2
      @sladjanivkovic2 Před 4 lety +3

      @@patrickdolan2014 Yeah fuck the fact that he is one of the best tacticians in the game.

    • @dailynotinteresting4325
      @dailynotinteresting4325 Před 4 lety +4

      @@patrickdolan2014 I disagree, I think watching tactical battles is a lot more interesting than seeing someone rack up a pile of points, again. Not to say that Selby doesn't do that, he's got 600 centuries under his belt.

    • @patrickdolan2014
      @patrickdolan2014 Před 4 lety +3

      Sladjan Ivkovic Yes, that’s exactly what I said 🙄 I definitely didn’t just talk about entertainment (which is a personal preference) 👍🏻😂

  • @PlayMoreGolf-RipOff
    @PlayMoreGolf-RipOff Před 3 měsíci

    STEPHEN LEE once made a protest at their only being salad in the canteen... he STREAKED .... from then on there were always burgers for him

  • @gauravmaurya7104
    @gauravmaurya7104 Před 4 lety +10

    How can you say it wasn't a difficult one? It was behind the black to the left. It was really difficult to hit from the right cushion and impossible from the left one as there was no way.

    • @CesarMuroya
      @CesarMuroya  Před 4 lety +8

      It says "it's not that difficult", referring to Phil Yates' "extremely tough" comment. And although the black there makes it more difficult, it's just a one-cushion escape, the second attempt proves it. Surely he could do it in the next two attempts that way, don't you think?

    • @gauravmaurya7104
      @gauravmaurya7104 Před 4 lety

      @@CesarMuroya may be it could but I guess if he was saying it difficult then it surely be, otherwise Ronnie loves these tricky shots, can never forget his 5 cushion escape to green. The closer it gets to the yellow, it will hit the black on the way. But who knows, we haven't seen it from all angles.

    • @enumeration
      @enumeration Před 4 lety +9

      @richard cunningham Calm down there with your fangirling, he isn't a god. Surely when you look at his second attempt you could see that maybe with a slightly different angle and maybe a slight touch of side he would be able to hit it, given how close he came.
      The ref absolutely should not call for a rerack just because one player laid a very tough snooker.

    • @Stollberger72
      @Stollberger72 Před 4 lety +3

      @richard cunningham Why should there be a re-rack? If the referee decided Ronnie's attempt was good enough he simply doesn't call a miss, just a simple foul. Then it could be a free ball and it would be up to Selby to decide if he wanted to continue or pass back to Ronnie.

    • @bernardlaus9996
      @bernardlaus9996 Před 4 lety +2

      @richard cunningham when you see Selby just sitting and enjoying it from inside, nerves me highly, hey pal you've got points AND free ball, so go to the table and play that fairly !

  • @richardmilton7948
    @richardmilton7948 Před rokem

    The miss rule was meant to be used for a deliberate foul. I've seen it called when the cueball finishes 1mm from an object ball. Ronnie is demonstrating the difference between a valid attempt to hit the ball (the first two attempts were very close) and a miss. He's basically saying 'you keep calling miss, this is what a deliberate miss looks like', the ref is an idiot. On the first attempt there was a free ball, that should be enough. The rule is not well enforced and should be rethought.

  • @marcelpop5840
    @marcelpop5840 Před 3 lety

    Yes. Ronnie. Ronnie The King. Selby. Nr 2.

  • @METALLICARULES11
    @METALLICARULES11 Před 4 lety +18

    18:40 Tell you what, How about you record yourself trying to pull off this shot and see how easy it is?

    • @QemeH
      @QemeH Před 4 lety +3

      It's a one-cushion shot that is possible with no spin at all, hitting the most simple entry-equals-exit vector. Ronnie doesn't WANT to take this shot because there is no way OUT of that after hitting yellow, but that's not the problem of the rules. The rules say: You have to make best efforts to hit yellow, no matter what happens after. And he didn't even TRY to play the simple route via the right cushion. So it's absolutely fair that the referee called a miss - he did not make his best efforts.

    • @seanoconnor3481
      @seanoconnor3481 Před 4 lety +9

      QemeH he didn’t have the angle to go off the right cushion idiot

    • @ConradRDakarn
      @ConradRDakarn Před 4 lety +9

      @@QemeH As Sean says, the right cushion wasn't available because of the Pink.
      The first 2 shots were the only angle but, even then, he had to play with spin because the straight line meant going into the middle pocket.
      Ronnie made 2 reasonable attempts. Both times the white would have been safe had he actually hit the Yellow....that means he did TRY. A miss should not have been called. Ronnie played the pocket bounce because his first angle was being called a miss. The first pocket bounce showed, quite clearly, that it was, again, a reasonable attempt as he nearly made the shot.
      4 foul and miss calls when all 4 shots were actually good efforts to make the shot. The Referees are given too much leniency to make "judgement" calls in this.
      Ronnie was right to protest in the end because this rule is a bad one.

    • @ConradRDakarn
      @ConradRDakarn Před 4 lety +2

      @bad1dobby That's kind of the point....judgement calls ruin any sport that's build on a very clear and defined rules system and designed to be able player skill.
      Saying that it's up to the referee whether the player made their best effort also means that the referee is making a judgement based on what they think the skill level of THAT particular player is....which, again, takes away from the fact the game is supposed to be able rules and allow player skill to be the determining factor of who wins.
      Opinion and judgement should not be a factor.
      The simple answer is that 3 "misses" should be the maximum called when looking at a snooker situation. In theory, this allows a potential scoring of between 12 and 21 points from a snooker. (4x3 for basic miss, 4x7 if they hit and pocket the black each time). 3 is my view....though they could make it 4 or 5....depending on what they decided was a reasonable potential points penalty for failing to get out of a snooker. They only "judgement" which I think needs to be made is how many points a single snooker should allow a player to gain.....a limit on that would resolve the issue.
      Having a single snooker be what defines and entire frame because of a "judgement call" by a referee is ridiculous and takes away from the game.
      If a player isn't actually doing their best during a game....they lose. If it's deemed that they're being deliberately out of order....unsportsmanlike conduct and a "warning" can be given (just like for lewd gestures, etc).
      This rule, however, was wrong in it's definition of allowing a referee to decide whether or not a player is "trying their hardest". My attempt to get out of this snooker would be much worse than Ronnie's....but it would be MY best attempt.

    • @tonicogsf
      @tonicogsf Před 3 lety +1

      @@ConradRDakarn yeah, I agree with you. I think people are just lazy/afraid to change this broken rule because it has been around for so many years. But it’s really ridiculous. And also, how many times has anybody seen a referee call it just a foul? It is ridiculously rare, they all prefer to stay on the “safe side” and always call it a foul and a miss. It’s time to change that.

  • @MiguelVargas-by3ru
    @MiguelVargas-by3ru Před 4 lety +1

    Saludos hermano desde Panamá

  • @AndreasNV
    @AndreasNV Před 2 lety +1

    I'm surprised he didn't go for the curler around the Brown.

  • @louiscyphre7023
    @louiscyphre7023 Před rokem +1

    The miss rule is fine , this was not that difficult of a snooker to escape from - same line as first attempt . cry Ronnie cry

  • @enkaan1676
    @enkaan1676 Před 4 lety +8

    Selby “ The tortchurer” didn’t get his way.

  • @heehee3121
    @heehee3121 Před 4 lety

    Actually miss the premier league snooker...

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 Před 4 lety

      Barry Hearn didn't bother to continue it when he gained control of World Snooker, we got the shoot-out instead

  • @TheReactor8
    @TheReactor8 Před 3 lety +1

    The ref should not have called a miss after getting so close to the yellow (twice) at the jaw-attempt and leaving the white at reasonable distance of the yellow. The ref was wrong here.

    • @huzefa69
      @huzefa69 Před 3 lety +1

      it wasn't that difficult of a snooker for that. he could definitely hit it if he didn't change the shot choice

  • @PrivateEye121
    @PrivateEye121 Před 2 lety

    I'm very surprised Ronnie never Battered Selby in the carpark
    Down the years!

  • @tonyhawk123
    @tonyhawk123 Před 2 lety +1

    After seeing O’Sullivan play in more recent years you can see how much better his technique was at the time of this video. He visibly moves all over the place during shots now.

    • @rocketdog67ify
      @rocketdog67ify Před 2 lety +1

      Yet it’s been good enough to win him 2 world titles in 3 years and get him back to being world number 1.
      So somethings clearly working for him.

    • @chronokev4080
      @chronokev4080 Před 2 lety

      Selby is known for moving on the shot.

    • @tonyhawk123
      @tonyhawk123 Před 2 lety

      @@chronokev4080 Not really, just during initial alignment.

    • @SimonPhillips76
      @SimonPhillips76 Před rokem +1

      His technique is as fluent as it ever was. Did he knock in loads of long pots at the worlds? Yes, so technically he’s fine. I’m sure he’s grateful for your observation though.

    • @tonyhawk123
      @tonyhawk123 Před rokem

      @@SimonPhillips76 Tad petty.

  • @Agiyi
    @Agiyi Před 3 lety +2

    Isn't there a rule that states that intentional foul means lose of frame?

  • @SaleehnkSaleehnk
    @SaleehnkSaleehnk Před 3 lety +3

    wonderful all-rounder player

  • @jemmkremm8589
    @jemmkremm8589 Před 4 lety +2

    haha selby The Torture

  • @SaleehnkSaleehnk
    @SaleehnkSaleehnk Před 3 lety +2

    selby the master class player of snooker

  • @191246mann1
    @191246mann1 Před 4 lety +1

    why do people argue this sort of thing,the rule is clear deliberate foul is frame lost ,

  • @jaywalkercrew4446
    @jaywalkercrew4446 Před 3 lety +8

    Glad O’Sullivan beat sell out in the master’s...”yesssssss.”

  • @carlhartwell7978
    @carlhartwell7978 Před 3 lety +10

    The ref was correct to call a miss every time, the ball was a relatively easy hit (not easy to get safe, but that's irrelevant). Selby did nothing wrong. Ronnie was having one of his funny turns.
    If you pause it at just around the 15:51 mark you get a lovely top view of the path, in his first attempt Ronnie could have hit much closer to the middle pocket with a touch of left hand side and hit at least half of the yellow. Certainly within Ronnie's capability. The ref knows it, he knows it, he's having a tantrum for no reason. The ref doesn't base a miss on whether the escape is easy to get safe from, simple as that.
    And as for Selby putting him back in, why shouldn't he...let's say he knew it was going to wind Ronnie up, so what? You don't just play the table, you play the opponent as well.
    People always talk about great players having great temperaments, but for some reason, when Ronnie displays his bad temperament it's the other players fault all of a sudden.
    Quinten Hann was infamous for having one of the worst temperaments, but he was hardly a great player, so people don't mind bringing it up. But as far as I'm concerned, just because Ronnie is likely the greatest player to play the game, I can't overlook instances like this where he was his own worst enemy.

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 Před rokem

    Why is three deliberate fouls and no attempt to hit the object ball not an instant disqualification?

  • @RenegadeRanga
    @RenegadeRanga Před 3 lety

    Cant believe no one is posting "that's just disrespectful."

  • @whydidyoutudechangemyhandle

    I think he made a good enough attempt but the way he handled being told it wasn't was not in par shouldn't have done that

    • @mrmidnight32
      @mrmidnight32 Před 4 lety +3

      He does this often. Which is why I love his play, but can’t ever be a fan. He’s really unprofessional when he doesn’t get his way or is on the brink of a loss.

  • @lenardking944
    @lenardking944 Před 3 lety

    18:08

  • @margaretsimmons8664
    @margaretsimmons8664 Před 4 lety

    and a miss fucks me off when it's so close - can't stand Selby

  • @truckerfromreno
    @truckerfromreno Před 4 lety

    Big baby.

  • @josephnulley6808
    @josephnulley6808 Před rokem

    Selby shows the game in a bad light......

  • @abhishekdwivedi.physics
    @abhishekdwivedi.physics Před 3 lety +6

    Some may say Ronnie's behave bad but actually selby was not showing sportsmanship. He can take free ball and win the frame like a champion, but he decided to secure points by taking advantage of mis. Ronnie is a kind of player who always love to play.

    • @kittookuriosity7692
      @kittookuriosity7692 Před 3 lety +1

      Ronnie stands for what is right nd he don't even care for his own image ..on the whole a lovely person Ronnie ....

    • @MijinLaw
      @MijinLaw Před 3 lety +2

      Disagree. I'm no fan of Selby but this is a professional sport. In no sport do we criticize competitors for tactics that are entirely within the rules, only dishonest behaviour.
      Or: hate the game, not the player ;)

  • @keitholstead1356
    @keitholstead1356 Před 2 lety

    for the future of snooker, please no moronic state of the obvious commentators of ignorance from sky/eurosport. Always they state the obvious of heinz sight, make a mistake on shot choice and can never interpret the state of mind of the player

  • @Johnny_Seven
    @Johnny_Seven Před 3 lety

    This is a load of balls!

  • @jjc882011
    @jjc882011 Před 4 lety +2

    Selby does not have sportsmanship.

  • @xx3868
    @xx3868 Před 2 lety

    Rule states "best of the players ability" and in the days of Davis and Parrot and Taylor, a good attempt or 1 or 2 cushion was enough but now i seen 4 cushion misses still a miss?? and it seems that ANY close non strike of the object ball is called a miss no matter how difficult it is and Ronnie here is just trying to change the balls a bit so he can maybe have a diff escape.

  • @duxberry1958
    @duxberry1958 Před 4 lety +5

    i like the way no matter what incident is the commentators always stick up for ronnie ...

    • @itnaklipse1669
      @itnaklipse1669 Před 4 lety +8

      Interesting that isn't it? Do you think they are all in a conspiracy to hype Ronnie up or is it possible it's because Ronnie actually, contrary to popular belief, is generally professional and protests when it's needed? Yeah, he's also a human being, but he's never unreasonable or an asshole or 'throws tantrums' like some people suggest cause they simply hate that they are not him.

  • @williamgallop9425
    @williamgallop9425 Před 3 lety +1

    Like playing quick chess.

  • @dhilzz99
    @dhilzz99 Před 3 lety

    12.56 difference is 16 points & available points is 22points.. But how come it shows available points 20..😳
    And it's not a one time mistake it carries on till the end of the frame..
    After brown its 16points
    After blue its 11 points..😳

  • @UHfishingshane
    @UHfishingshane Před 4 lety +1

    Thrilling ?????? 😳

    • @CesarMuroya
      @CesarMuroya  Před 4 lety

      The thrilling ending is shown in Part 2.

  • @gallactussunofgod7513
    @gallactussunofgod7513 Před 2 lety +2

    mark is my favorite player he risk very tough ball no matter how it is if he can score he score

  • @thejakeakar
    @thejakeakar Před 4 lety +4

    you know it waznt cool that the legend did at the end but whatever,,,,BUT there is a beautiful reason why mark selby was called mark SLOBY

  • @najeebbutt1358
    @najeebbutt1358 Před 4 lety +3

    Ronnie is brave player

  • @ronniemacdonald2768
    @ronniemacdonald2768 Před 3 lety

    He sure showed them there by giving up!

  • @roberttruesdell6151
    @roberttruesdell6151 Před 4 lety +1

    I love to watch snooker as here in the states it’s very rare. I’m not familiar with all of the rules. What’s going on here?

    • @yuutojurgen6747
      @yuutojurgen6747 Před 4 lety

      Shelby deliberately play the frame that way to make a snooker impossible to hit, and he didn't take the free ball also, desperate to win this frame I would say

    • @roberttruesdell6151
      @roberttruesdell6151 Před 4 lety +3

      Well isn’t that the point of playing a snooker

    • @roberttruesdell6151
      @roberttruesdell6151 Před 4 lety

      Brian Magicman thanks. I know the basic rules. I don’t know foul rules and points given etc. and why this was such an issue.

    • @oldskoolfool141
      @oldskoolfool141 Před 4 lety +2

      @@roberttruesdell6151 I think Ronnie was protesting at his 'actual' attempts being ruled a miss by the ref (a miss is called if the ref feels there was a easier shot to play that was not taken or if he feels the player hasn't put sufficient effort in to hit the target ball), Ronnie felt it was impossible to hit so felt the miss called was harsh, added to this was Selby repeatedly being a dick not taking the free ball which was his right to do as leading up to this there'd been a lot of mind games going on during the match (standing in each others way, quick aggressive responses on the table etc.) PLUS Ronnie and the ref seem to have a bit of bad blood between them so it looked like Ronnie went into a 'well bollocks to the pair of you' mode

    • @roberttruesdell6151
      @roberttruesdell6151 Před 4 lety

      Old Skool Fool yes. But what is the actual rule? I thought the rule was you try to make a hit and if you don’t the opponent has choice to take free ball or make you shoot again?

  • @zuherxoshnowzuherxoshnow2246

    Selby is snooker nightmare

  • @eddiemullen2380
    @eddiemullen2380 Před 3 lety +1

    Snooker better hope Ronnie keeps playing. Theres Trump, Robertson, and O Sullivan after that hit and miss. Be good to see how Hendry does on his comeback. But Selbe na years ago maybe but having to try anoy someone try put them of. When you look once the balls wont move cant understand up down up again. Not very sporting trying to make you play bad. But even at that Ronnie stands head and shoulders over Selbe how do you get Selbe out of Selby, and he is past that date

  • @n43510
    @n43510 Před 4 lety +3

    Poor sportsmanship by Ronnie.
    For any top-32 player, it isn't a particularly difficult snooker to get out of, it's a one-cushion escape. Ronnie's second attempt at a one-cushion escape is pretty close. He just needs to hit the left cushion a millimetre or two further down.
    But he doesn't want to just hit the yellow - he wants to hit the yellow and leave it safe. Tough, Ronnie, the rule says you have to try to hit the yellow, and the rule takes precedence over what you want.

    • @Eurobunneh
      @Eurobunneh Před 4 lety

      He’s a big sulky baby. He’s lucky he’s so talented or he’d have been forgotten years ago.

  • @swipersoixante9553
    @swipersoixante9553 Před 4 lety +2

    I really want to know what Steve Davis had to say about this, he will tear Ronnie apart

    • @gary63693
      @gary63693 Před 4 lety +2

      No one takes any notice of a has been Steve Davis

    • @timegerton2111
      @timegerton2111 Před 4 lety +1

      @@gary63693 They take more notice of him than they do of you.

    • @gary63693
      @gary63693 Před 4 lety

      @@timegerton2111 Really? You sure about that? You sound very sure of yourself my friend

  • @creepycrawler2151
    @creepycrawler2151 Před 3 lety +29

    God Selby's a boring player lol, even when he has a shot on... put it back

    • @flabberdog
      @flabberdog Před 3 lety +5

      At the same time Ronnie acts like a kid

    • @lukekennedy1001
      @lukekennedy1001 Před 3 lety +6

      Nonsense, he was right to grill him there the points were flying up, Ronnie doesn't extend any courtesy to the people he plays and nor should selby

  • @adrianwright8685
    @adrianwright8685 Před 4 lety

    12:21 why do some in the crowd always clap flukes - do they not realise it's a fluke or are they just so pleased it happened?

    • @charlieh2081
      @charlieh2081 Před 4 lety +2

      Have you not played any sport before? Flukes are always funny/fun/amazing/unbelievable. Often flukes are the most memorable events as they are so extreme.

    • @davidmellish3295
      @davidmellish3295 Před 3 lety

      @@charlieh2081 yes but clapping shows appreciation for a good shot not dumb luck so I do get what he's saying. Yes it can be fun /interesting etc etc as you said but they still shouldn't be clapped

  • @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752

    if the miss rule had of applied in 85 then steve davis would have been a 7 times world champ that wee cheat taylor never attempted to hit the relevant ball when steve had him in all sorts of bother

    • @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752
      @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752 Před 3 lety

      @Bob Short seems like you have put a lot of thought into this , maybe too much i think .

    • @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752
      @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752 Před 3 lety

      @Bob Short steve always played the white back up the table when the pot was in doubt . steve was a winner and wouldn,t have gave you the dust of his chalk never mind throwing a world championship final

    • @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752
      @wheretheresawilltheresaway7752 Před 3 lety

      @Bob Short osullivan is a cheat as well did you see his dirty tactics against mark allen last night absolutely disgraceful, steve at his best would have tied osullivan up in that many knots that he wouldn,t have been able to go for a jog hes a first class tosser not like steve an absolute gent

  • @8000audiolab
    @8000audiolab Před 4 lety

    and i love ronnie fuck the rules i will do it my way!!💪💪😂😂

  • @8000audiolab
    @8000audiolab Před 4 lety

    that blue....what the f€$k!!!

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 Před rokem

    He could easily hit the yellow. He wanted to hit it and leave the cue ball safe.

  • @evilelf5967
    @evilelf5967 Před 4 lety +4

    haha,can't blame ronnie,he knew the mind games were coming,back in the day,he would have got proper pissed off,today,it would be like......hold my perrier.....the enevitable was being delayed.

  • @bgfishing2948
    @bgfishing2948 Před 4 lety +6

    Watch a lot of snooker. Still don't understand it.

    • @kimway9814
      @kimway9814 Před 4 lety

      bgfishing balls!

    • @pluckyfella7
      @pluckyfella7 Před 4 lety +4

      Hi . Allow me please to kindly explain the game, brother.
      You ACCRUE POINTS by potting balls.
      Red = 1 point
      Yellow = 2 points
      Green = 3 points
      Brown = 4 points
      Blue = 5 points
      Pink = 6 points
      Black = 7 points.
      You have to pot a red, then one of the other colours listed above (Yellow, Green, Brown, Blue, Pink or Black that we'll call "colour") ... red, colour, red, colour, red, colour alternatingly. When all of the reds have gone, after the last red and any colour, then the finishing sequence is yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, and black.
      For maximum points, playing reds/blacks is the best way plus the finishing sequence, if you can for the 147 maximum, but depends on the play, and where you are on the table. So if you pot a red 1 point, then a pink 6 points, another red 1 point, black 7 points ... the break is so far 15 (1+6+1+7 ... 15).
      Fouls are usually 4 points given to the opponent, such as in-off (cue-ball goes into pocket) or a miss, except if one accidentally pots a blue when playing red (5 points), or a pink (6 points penalty), or a black (7 points) to the opponent, or when wrongly hitting one of those balls during a snooker getout or other situation when going for a red or another colour. For instance, at 16:12 to 16:27, being snookered with no direct path to the yellow ball, Ronnie misses the yellow, the intended ball to play as per the finishing sequence, and hits the pink, a foul, so Selby's score gains 6 more points, from 53 to 59, because Ronnie's cueball hit the pink ball worth 6 points.
      The player with the most points wins that frame. Of a certain number of frames, say, 6, 17, or 35 as in the final, the player with the most frames won wins the match. It brings back memories playing snooker everyday on my 6 feet by 3 feet table in my old house as a youth lol. I haven't played for ages since moving into an apartment. Hope this helps a little. Agape. Andrew.

  • @sonofbattles
    @sonofbattles Před 2 lety

    What was Ronnie thinking? His first snooker escape, down the left side of the table, bounced off the left side cushion about 30cm from the middle pocket. The narrator said, he missed it by a country mile.”
    So I’m wondering wtf he was thinking here. If he thought he couldn’t win with how the cue ball would end up after honestly trying to strike the yellow, even though he was up 3-nil in a best of 7, then what’s the point of acting like a bitch about the miss rule?
    Don’t get me wrong, I love Ronnie, but this is his one play that I don’t understand at all.

  • @leec6424
    @leec6424 Před 4 lety +2

    Selby is good you can't deny that but if it was a choice to pay £50 to watch selby and £500 to watch Ronnie. £500 well spent

    • @johnjg28
      @johnjg28 Před 4 lety +1

      Ok, then when it's a Ronnie x Selby I'll get the £50

    • @adrianwright8685
      @adrianwright8685 Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, it's generally two players in a match! R O'S. is - marginally - the best I've ever seen but there are plenty of other good ones I'm quite as happy to watch. Snooker is not all about one person.

    • @leec6424
      @leec6424 Před 4 lety +1

      @@adrianwright8685 yes but Ronnie makes it enjoyable if you want to watch something tactical go watch chess

    • @daddypig.5796
      @daddypig.5796 Před 3 lety +1

      Lee Cassidy it’s people like you that actually make snooker boring with your Ronnie fan boy comments. Ronnie is also my favourite player but I’m certainly not a fanboy like you, I’m a fan of snooker full stop and it’s nice to see a player with a different way of playing the game. Too much hate in these comments for selby, but then again there’s too much hate on the internet full stop. A real toxic place.

    • @leec6424
      @leec6424 Před 2 lety

      @@daddypig.5796 I can play snooker and I have to play tactically. I wish I had natural talent but I haven't. My highest break is 63. I have always enjoyed watching players like Ronnie, Jimmy White and Alex Higgins. Without these types Snooker would not be as big as it is. FACT

  • @patrickdolan2014
    @patrickdolan2014 Před 4 lety +3

    Nothing to talk about here, he couldn’t concede until it was mathematically out of reach without snookers .... maybe I woulda just smacked the ball on a zig zag motion a few times though .... but what he did was much more professional and kind on the referee

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 Před 4 lety

      He's conceded lots of frames he could mathematically win before

    • @patrickdolan2014
      @patrickdolan2014 Před 4 lety

      Fj Fj “lots” is a lie .... but when he has done it, he has been fined or punished in some way because it’s not allowed by the rules of the game

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 Před 4 lety

      @@patrickdolan2014 This event was not sanctioned by the WPBSA like official tournaments are.

    • @patrickdolan2014
      @patrickdolan2014 Před 4 lety

      Fj Fj what’s that got to do with your point or my counterpoint? It’s against the rules to surrender a frame you can still mathematically win in every single pro tournament

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 Před 4 lety

      @@patrickdolan2014 I have seen O'Sullivan do it numerous times in the UK championship, there may have been additional clauses in the contract with the Premier League organizers

  • @ateebahmed8895
    @ateebahmed8895 Před 4 lety +3

    Everyone hates mark selby, but the truth is mark is the only one who gave such fight to ronnie.

  • @indokarasan
    @indokarasan Před rokem

    Ronnie could have tried two cousins escape and i think he would have succeeded however i think Selby was selfish. he could have taken a free ball

  • @causeitso
    @causeitso Před 3 lety +2

    That was an easy snooker honestly and Ronnie struggled for no apparent reason.

  • @MrBruno2444
    @MrBruno2444 Před 4 lety +2

    I am a pool player and I know what it is to be playing under stress but he is the best player in the world and he would have to lead by example but, in any case, overcoming everything Roonie has won is very difficult. All my respects Roonie has.