Rio Ferdinand & Paul Scholes react following VAR controversy during Tottenham vs Liverpool 🎥
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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2023
- Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes discuss the VAR mishap in the Tottenham vs Liverpool game after Luis Diaz saw his goal wrongly disallowed.
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Just an observation. The original PGMOL story is BS. Right after the goal was scored, the ref said: "Coming back to the offside mate". The VAR guy followed up with "checking the offside"! Event the top banner on their monitor was saying "Checking disallowed goal". They KNEW that the call was offside. And they followed up with "check complete". Meaning they've validated the offside call after determining that the goal was valid. Twilight zone.
Exactly, surely by definition, the only reason VAF would be reviewing it is because it was disallowed. If the linesman hadn't flagged, they would have given the goal and gone back to the centre, VAR would not have been involved.
@@steveseaman7794 they still check every goal for possible offsides
@@jonasfonn1638 which makes an entirely ambiguous reply of "check completed" even more fatuous !
Only football can make talking to one another a complicated affair.
Screw the official term of "check complete", the ref needs to ask the question "Is it offside or is it a goal?"
It's so simple it's crazy!
Brother this is All corruption money from UAE
Scholes is just as incompetence blaming the operator who was the only one talking sense
That was an absolutely ridiculous statement by Scholes. He should be embarrassed by his lack of understanding of the situation.
How the fk he even saying that is beyond me
For someone who was so intelligent on the pitch he doesn't half talk utter nonsense the majority of the time.
@@Sasquatch10A lot of these footballers are actually secondary school level educated and dumb, don’t listen to them for wisdom
He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
All the pundits were saying to Liverpool to move on when they ask for the audio but now because of them the game is gonna change for the better.
Could learn from Rugby on the transparency aspect and cricket
Can the replay operator take control though? He alerted the refs to the decision being incorrect and kept telling them to delay the game. But they had to then make the call. Why at no point was it simply said “the goal stands. Diaz was onside” and why did Hooper resume play without knowing what the decision was?
Big cricket fan here...Any kind of appeal happens in cricket - the viewer can hear everything the TV umpire says, they go through a systematic process that is open to the viewer and they take their time to come to the right decision. The umpires will clarify what it is that needs to be reviewed and go through the relevant process...regardless of how silly the appeal seems..they go through the SAME PROCESS EVERY TIME! I cannot believe how rushed and panicked that whole debacle was on Saturday, it was an absolute disgrace.
The one thing I don’t like in cricket “var” is the waste of time. Team refers what they think is a nick. Yet when the umpire reviews it, instead of going straight to snicko, they have to determine if the ball is close to the bat. Of course it is, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a review.
The fact the linesman gave the offside in the first place is more shocking
The linesman and Hooper were both on the TAKE.....SIMPLE
VAR is supposed to prevent wrong decisions. If VAR can't get them right, there's no point in having it. The game is faster without it, and players can celebrate goals as they score them!
It was human error not VAR. And the linesman incorrectly flagged offside so it wouldn't of been a goal without VAR either
@@yomo1690 with VAR linesmen are told if it is close to hold the flag and it will be checked. With out VAR the refs would be better at ruling offsides because they wouldn’t have the fall back of VAR they have had over the past couple years.
Without VAR Jones is still on the field.
@@eiler1987 we had bad Offside calls every week literally before VAR.
@@yomo1690 yes but now we have cameras and should never have a bad one
@@eiler1987 the cameras and VAR called it right it was onside. The humans ineffective communication messed up
At least we now understand why they do not have the audio live, because its chaos.
All that needed to happen was for VAR to clearly say “ legitimate onside goal to Liverpool” that’s it!! Instead it was yep perfect, check complete…get the rugby refs into the VAR room.
or, and hear me out because I only just came up with this:
"onside"
Exactly. Two mis-spoken words should never result in an irrecoverable debacle. The communication procedures are outright poor. I would grimace if this occurred in 2020, when we had the fig leaf of an excuse that VAR was still somewhat new. It is 2023.
And your other point is correct. This wheel has already been invented in multiple other sports. It is not difficult to learn from them.
Were they not watching the game? The replay operator certainly was, can't say the same for Darren England and Dan Cook. The fans knew straight away offside was given. I think the linesman should stop raising their flag when there has been a goal and let VAR check every goal for offside since they check all goals anyways.
Thats a great point....
uh, var does check every goal for offside afaik? the flag being up or down should make zero difference for var (but yes, they do try to delay the flag). just respond with "onside" or "offside". problem solved.
Let's be clear, contrary to the media and referee lies, the rules of the game does allow them to stop the game and go back.
The rules clearly state once the game has been restarted they cannot go back and review an incident.
This would not be a review, it would be correcting a decision due to poor communication.
They perfectly knew the the rules but rigged it to disallow the goal.
VAR can be heard saying offside, when it was clearly onside.
Two of them in that room, why isn't one of them watching the game?
The ref is also at fault for not getting clarification.
Heads need to roll.
Stupid rule then
@@TSEliot1978
The rule is the game cannot go back to review an incident, once it has been restarted.
They were not going to review a incident, they were going to correct a miscommunication and their own incompetency.
The rules did not prevent them from doing this, only their idiocy, pride and possibly corruption.
Even if it *did* prevent var going back to change a decision, it doesn't stop them telling the ref. They didn't because they didn't want to fess up live because they ironically were afraid of the fallout.
I want to see the video of this. Reckon they were pissing about.
@@nickwoodward819
We need the video for the whole game
All rules are made by humans and can be changed everytime by humans... And also the rules, no matter what field and who they are intended for, are actually there to make our activities and existence better and safe... But VAR shows us that it could be manipulated by "human mistake"... All rules are made by humans and can be changed everytime by humans... 🤫😉😆
For the 1 millionth time VAR is not the problem the quality of English refs are all but no big English media/Pundit will admit this cus its a damning inditement on our country. The Premier League has the best of everything why can't we have the best referees?
Correct!
The Saudi Arabia league is the best league in the world
Because PGMOL is a cozy little club, and they do not want to import foreign talent for these plum positions.
Honestly, there is a looming referee shortage and the quality of officials may suddenly start declining a few years from now. English football should invest in lower league officiating and encourage it with more pay and more training. I also think they are in a position that importing talent is a good idea, but both would be best.
The only guy that knew what he was doing was the untrained operator it’s
There was no need for 5 people to be speaking at the same time during the review.
no need for exaggeration either
Imagine a point or 3 points is the difference for Liverpools season...then what??
It's happened in two seasons already 😤
Maybe they wont make the top 10?
Rio talking about the technology is really confusing and 100% wrong. The technology wasn’t the problem. It did it’s job. Darren England didn’t. He was totally unaware of the whole situation.
Even saying miscommunication sounds a bit off. He was simply not paying attention or showing any care to follow protocols.
No he meant in the WC the technology automatically inputs the decision after checking. The ref doesnt have to take a call. He didn't blame the technology, but the PL's refusal to adopt it.
Rugby does this well.
There was no mistake nor miscommunication, the VAR team clearly knew they were checking for offside goal, Darren England intentionally withheld information of the legitimate goal from Simon Hopper. I hope the club brings in a lawyer to look at this.
Good process boys
During the zidane headbutt incident in the worldcup, the referee actually break protocol and stop the game to check the foul made by zidane. Becuz it was missed by the ref and the game had actually moved on.
Man said "ZERO BASS" 😂😂😂
Not even a buttery biscuit one?
There is a abp in Doncaster used to go there every so often
agree to Rio, this highest level competition on the planet. dont let epl sink to league on 3rd country
Give. Me. The. Job. I'll do it professionally, and proficiently.
Yeah it needs to be like rugby
Laura Woods is so lovely.
Simply ask what the onside decision is before reviewing it. It's really that simple.
I always though the ref
was in charge, when did that change?
They knew it was Offside because they've said. Checking offside mate. So they knew it was. Its corruption. End of
Sack Webb and sack head officials. Going to screw any chance of hosting European Championships
No bass and no cow bells.
What the hell is rio talking about ' no bass' at the end. He's mad.
This is a rather unique one as far as I am aware. VAR got the decision right but failed to communicate that to the ref. Game should have been stopped immediately they realised. This isn’t VAR getting it wrong as is the case in all the usual VAR complaints. Not a decision error just total incompetance and allowing rules to get in the way of what clearly needed to be done. Pause the bloody game and let someone with big enough balls decide.
Less process and more common sense. Every person in that VAR room should have the autonomy to be able to put their hand up in the moment and point out a mistake. There should be no hierarchy in there because that is exactly why people don't speak up for fear of going against 'the process'. No one would have had any issue if they had sent a quick message to ref to hold off the re-start for another few seconds. The officials these days are quite happy to hold up play for 5 minutes while they scrutinise whether a players shirt sleeve is off-side so a slight delay to clear up a glaring mistake should be no problem.
Leave them alone its sat evening, prob got a takeaway, few drinks and Replay VAR guy had just nipped toilet....
the game should be made a draw and VAR get heavily fined, make it a 3 strike rule for VAR and get rid aftar 3 strikes, how many other games have had poor decisions made against them that have cost them the game. shouldn't be happening in the premiere league.
The audio proves corruption to me thry knew the offside was for goal scored. The real problem is that more than 40% of officials were born in or currently reside in the greater Manchester area
What's your source for that? As far as I can see, only four of the current PL refs are from Greater Manchester: Anthony Taylor (Wythenshawe), Chris Kavanagh (Ashton under Lyne), Paul Tierney and Darren Bond (both Wigan)
Were they watching the game at all?
The PGMOL have to improve or just remove VAR.
Two things, 1) they need to stop the game clock for VAR to take the time pressure away, this sounded rushed for a reason.
2) the on field ref needs to ask the question "is it confirmed as offside or is it a goal?" and get a clear answer. Do this every time before restarting.
How on earth is a multi billion pound industry so behind the times on this?!
Rugby, cricket, tennis all far superior when it comes to tech to aid their sport.
Give me 12 months in charge of it and there'd be no complaints about the system itself (just chat about decisions and opinions). I'm not even joking. I'm genuinely up for it.
Pgmol in shambles
What is a Scholes on about
The sound of corruption. Overt corruption? Maybe not, but the VAR officials were in UAE 48 hours before this match moonlighting.
Corrupt? Can we rule that out?
They allowed the operator to have the final decision over the refs?
video operator is a better var than the var referee 😂
Collect 12 crisp packets and become an EPL referee
Does he really say "zero bass" at the end?
@@Emptybladderhe says zero bass meaning zero balls. As in they're all fannying around in there and nobody is taking charge
Simple answer is keep it simple,,,Var should just use a 1 word judgement,,,Onside or Offside,,,btw didn't the ref check the monitor,,,just saying
If VAR isn’t making the game better, what’s the point in having it?
All we hear is excuses and sorry which isn't good enough! THEY SHOULD BE FIRED everyone responsible!!!
The blind leading the blind is offensive to the blind community.
They're never going to release the audio for games Liverpool one was just a one off 😂
They’ve released audios for other blunders too eg Ake one
They already have pal its not the first time they released the audio it ain't just because of liverpool but they did make a complete mess of it unfortunately they did it with other matches this season a few weeks ago webb did a show with Michael Owen they even replayed the audio of m utd vs wolves when wolves should have had a penalty and they apologised for it after the match 🤣 it sounds like the blind leading the blind tho listening to it I think tho clearly the system is flawed basically 🤔
The new technology Rio is talking about wouldn't prevent this situation, this case is about 1. Clarity of communication and 2. Hastiness
How so? No clarity or patience on the refs part would be required if the technology itself inputted the decision after checking. Nothing would be required from the ref at all so this situation would have been prevented
Where was the ref! He hardly seemed to be involved in the conversation - chaos. The VAR ref didn't even notice that they were starting again from a free kick!! he had to be told!!
He's not involved because he doesn't hear what's being said in the VAR room. He doesn't need to hear all that. He just needs to wait for the decision, but ultimately the VAR tells him the wrong decision, and by the time the game restarts it's too late. It's got nothing to do with the ref and everything to do with the complacency/lack of focus of the VAR/AVAR team.
Laura Woods is a don..!
I agree with what Rio & Scholes , what thare saying about United at the.Moment there's no leadership or responsibility at all, as a United fan like my self.Things need to improve quickly, the pressure is going to be on.Erik, and the VAR is just Laughing stock.For me like when Diaz's goal against. Tottenham on Saturday, in my opinion that was a Goal, Hoijlund's wasn't off side which robbed him,Of his Hatrick,😡⚽
I agree.. Maybe just remove the ref on human side.. More to robot (Ai) .. Lol.. Human is too corrupt.. A lot of other sports already used many kind of technology.. Why can't football?
Good 👍
Should take lessons from cricket. Regardless of the on-field decision, when the review goes to third umpire, the process is followed efficiently and comprehensively from start to finish so the resulting decision is 100% clear. The third umpire then tells the umpire exactly what the decision is. This is basic decision making. The incompetency in VAR is astounding.
They don't want the sport to have integrity like cricket, because everyone thinks cricket is boring. They want entertainment, controversy, people to be talking about it all the time and arguably: Influence over the results of games
The premier league is too proud to learn from others. Nfl and mlb hv bedn using video reviews forever and they are executed perfectly with great communication especially nfl. It’s not that difficult. Var has been in used for years and it gets worse every year
little britian.. computer say no
cant make it up
Scholes is in his ‘I don’t give af’ stage of live
That's in Ur 40's for sure ❤
there was no miscommunication. It was simply the case of failing to act by the refrees on the information given/available according to the norms./rule of the game. Investigate why did they fail to act on the information available? Also FA must state what is the course of relief that would be awarded to the victim i.e Liverpool teamn who was cheated of 3 points and the golden opportunity to go up top in the League table? Also investigate if the same human error by the same VAR team had contributed to the red card given to Curtis Jones who was given yellow card earlier.
When these ex pros start taking up refereeing positions id be more likely to accept their views.
Gotta ask why are they specifically asking man u players this question who are likely gonna be against Liverpool getting anything from this, talk about media control, ask these guys so we get the message we want out
"On Discuss The VAR Disaster". Intetesting.
Intetesting
He means Intestines 😁
@@brettpeyton3586 I saw it as soon as I posted it, but it is what it is now ha.
Corruption, Corruption, money,money
Follow the money... they were on the payroll 48 hrs before this game by their biggest rival.
im boycotting the epl until their are firings at the pgmol
They're talking as though these officials were at the helm an airliner or air traffic control etc where lives are at stake. Have some prospective, it's only a mistake to a game of football.
Play the refs audio at the games they do it at rugby, they do it at cricket why cant it be done at football?
Rio likes to pretend he was some sort of leader himself, laughable
Scholes need to go back to toes, seriously badly informed.
Game should be replayed. Game was stolen from Liverpool by incompetent refs.
too many people in charge and no one taking control - why are there some many voices - Rugby and cricket - only have one.. simple speak. no mate this mate that .... try using names or surnames - simplify it or scrap it. and use the new tech for this like in the World Cup
Corruption
It was rigged for spursy to win
Liverpool were robbed
Much prefer jules breach then laura woods
If it happens to Luton no one cares. As soon as its Liverpool
The girl hosts just kills the energy.. Awful host
Please get that woman off the air!
A goalkeepers bread and butter is to save goals. Not play football .. ONANA must be dropped
I like how Liverpool make themselves the eternal victim club every single time. There's been far, far worse decisions made; and far, far worse officiated games. They feel good about being sympathised and pitied by other fanbses. Comedy gold.
It's one game...nothing eternal about it. By Thursday night at Anfield when a new game starts it's going to be forgotten about
Media has to make the most of it after all
Poor Rottenham fan with 0 trophy 😂
Absolute dogshit human
Liverpool, as all clubs have been unfairly treated by VAR at times. This is the first time since it’s been implemented that an objective decision (I.e., an offside) has been incorrectly made. Seems as though by your language here you’d rather it just continue to be a potential issue in the future?