I’ve Left TV Licensing No Alternative
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Let’s have a look at a letter that the tv licence people have sent me, the brass neck on these people never ceases to astound me
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Should be illegal to keep harassing people by keep sending them.
I haven't owned a car for a while. Should I write to the petrol station that I won't be paying them for fuel?
Sadly they harass to the edge of the law so if you had enough money to sue they'd more than likely either fight it and ruin you financially remember it ain't their money or they might pay you off before stitching you up 😊
it should be, but the law explicitly allows the BBC to act in this way - take it up with your mp!
it is but they have a work around by saying they are legally required to make sure you are properly licenced if you need to be..... but they can do the same by sending a letter once a year and asking. they do not need to send monthly letters and you don't need to be visited.
One might wonder what happens if the envelope is returned with some extra turd inside
It should be illegal to refer to someone as an 'officer' when they are in no way connected to law enforcement.
Police are not "officers". They are Constables. Officer is a made up term used for people who enforce legislative rules that are only given the force of law by the consent of the indoctrinated and intimidated.
Oh Dear. My first job title out of school was Clerical Officer in the Civil Service. 😀
@@Simply_Me100 ok, you were being sarcastic. Sometimes it's hard to see. I will delete my post.
Security officers have no official powers either but theyre still called officers
My mum's name is Officer.
My local supermarket manager knocked on my door yesterday. He said I owed him money because I hadn't told him I didn't want to buy cornflakes from his store.
I'm 48 years old and have never paid tv license I don't even open the letters and I ignore all strangers that knock on my door. Bliss
I've been leaving them 'no alternative' since 2013 🤣🤣🤣
Massive respect to you !
Same here, 10+ years with no visitor. I wonder what criteria the BBC uses to send the thugs around to harass someone.
I'm on 23 years so far. No visit at the four addresses I've had, just a steady stream of crap investigation junk mail.
@@TonklinFallen they favour old ladies , and women in general I think !
@@Mog435Wellinhope they visit me. The bucket of cold water is going to drop when the door opens.
All the problems in the world, all the things people in the UK are going through and TV licensing still think their job is important. Just cancel your direct debit and forget about them. 80,000 people A MONTH are cancelling, be one of them!
exactly. Many important things going on, tv licence is bottom of the barrel
Amen brother. Best advice. Its a shame more folk don't have the balls to follow it.
I’ve cancelled just before Xmas and the y gave me a refund for 2 months but now the letters are coming
Very stupid advice!! You can't just stop DD, that will be a breach of contract. You need to tell them you moved away, pay your final month, end your contract with honour. Then, once everything is closed, there is no trace about you in their system, they start sending letters to THE LEGAL OCCUPIER which you can ignore for the rest of your life. If you instead just stop DD, then they will apply to court to get debt recovery enforcement to get money off of you!
@@pioruns this is why it's best never to even engage with these scumbags in the first place
It is actually criminal the way they go about this. The crime here is harassment, obtaining money by deception, false representation, attempting to obtain money by threatening behaviour. All these crimes are aimed at innocent people who do not use their products, and services.
TV Licensing are sounding more and more like Post Office Investigations.
And we know where that ended up.
Clear harassment of innocent people by scammers.
It is relentless ...
Pay up .
Who even watches tv these days when you can watch anything online
You are only guilty if you don't pay 44p per day for a very good service. You still free to choose not too. You are paying for the benefit of the whole nation just like the NHS. If you don't want to use the the NHS and go private that is up to you.
But you still pay! It's that simple!
@@stevenknill2179you’re only guilty if you don’t pay but still watch…. It’s nothing like the NHS. The nhs are there to save lives, the tv licence is there to line pockets
I dont even open the letters, I just put them straight in the recycle bin. BBC and Co can do one. I will never pay and haven't in 28 years, so bring it on
People might consider it free fuel for their fireplaces
right resend to sender and put them in a letter box
@@darkshar100 Do you mean "Return to sender" ? The word is 'Write'. By letter box do you mean a Royal mail post box and not just some other persons letter box ? The English language is a wonderful thing.
@@jimosullivan1389I’m sure you feel much better for correcting a stranger on the internet 👌well done you…. 🙄
@@HPLP-123 Well actually, yes I do. If someone has the audacity to use no punctuation, incorrect spelling and is unable to construct a sentence, then they need correcting. Any other gems of wisdom O wise one ?
Jon, we got that letter a few days ago (signed by the same person) and found a hand written notice posted through our letter box yesterday saying we'd missed a visit from one of their goons. Worth noting that we've also only lived at our house for six months, and we actually do live in a very small village in the country - so they really will travel to the wilds of Wanney to pester you!
That means they're getting desperate coming out in the sticks!
Hi Jon, just wanted you to know that YOU and your channel gave me the courage to cancel my tv licence. I have not watched mainstream tv for years. I have never looked back. Its being informed and by you telling all of us our rights brings freedom from the woke, dross, bullying BBC. They really are clinging on for all they are worth in their ivory tower!! Thanks Jon from us ALL 👍
I cancelled mine last year and declared my intention to TV Licensing by email. They responded by refunding my most recent payment and said they’d ask me to update my status in two years’ time. I don’t have an aerial so can’t receive free-to-air channels. I’ve deleted BBC iPlayer from my new TV and Apple TV box and deleted Pluto and FreeVee. I now rely on my extensive library of purchased Apple Store movies and TV content, Blu-ray discs and apps such as Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+, Now TV which I temporarily subscribe to when there are shows on that I want to watch. I also use CZcams and Rumble. I never watch live TV so have nothing to fear. If they ever send someone to visit I’ll just politely ask them to obtain a warrant and revisit with a police officer as they don’t have any jurisdiction.
Me too
Gary Lineker needs a raise lol
Really? You needed to watch a youtube video to know you didn;'t need a TV license if you don't watch tv? wow.
“Woke”?
I got the same letter last week. Went straight in the bin. Just incase you do not know, it is possible to live without a television.
I ignore their letters, partly because I haven't had a television for 15 years but mostly on principle ..... they're asking me to prove a negative whilst reserving the right to disbelieve me without providing evidence to counter my claim of innocence ...... and that offends me. If they doubt my veracity, I doubt their integrity.
We’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
Exactly @@Woodman-Spare-that-tree ...... in theory. in the BBC's greedy eyes, not so much
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree are you sure, are you really sure, are you really really sure.
Well the Bloody Bigoted Company sure won't believe you, and your mp won't try and change them, because they are the MPs mouthpiece.
Actually, surely it should be Innocent unless proven guilty?@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree
u can own a TV without a tv license as long as you do not use it to watch anything covered by said license.
At a community engagement event (you know the kind of thing) I asked my local police about a company pestering me to take up their services and pay them money or they'd get legal on my fat *ss. They were really interested until I told them that it was TVL.
I've lived in this house since 2000, and got rid of my PC's TV card in 2007, because I noticed that TV was going shite even then. I cancelled my license, and I got a visit from TV licensing. Like a mug, I let the man in to prove my lack of telly. Luckily, nothing happened, but I wouldn't do that now.
Interviewed under caution, as a policeman friend said: people just sit in the interview room say 'no comment' to every question. I am sure that if you keeping saying no comment every time they open their mouths, they will soon go away. Best to just close the door on them though
Just shut the door done job 😊
Don't even engage with them. Just close the door.
It may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court...............
Don’t ansew your door it’s that simple.
As long as you know you're innocent absolute silence is all you need even if they apply for the 90hr extension to keep questioning.
Just sit there and smile continously.
They're starting with nothing so anything you say is ammo.
When you get out with no charges solicitors will bite your hand off for the case of violating your rights and you could even push to change the law.
They can't prosecute "The Legal Occupier". Empty threats.
@@tvguy61 No.
I wrote back to them when I was a kid - I was about to start law school so was full of that unearned arrogance.
I signed off my letter with Mr. Legal Occupier.
Basically told them I was looking forward to receiving a summons addressed to a Mr. Occupier.
I think the better idea is to put on your letterbox/postbox the note saying no junk mail, no hawkers, no circulars, no door to door sale's & definitely no tv licencing
I tried that, but Royal Fail just ignored the decal which is at eye level in huge letters, so I still receive a bunch of please buy my new windows, please buy our new rooves, please buy a new conservatory... nope! sorry! I have no room for one in affordable housing, plus I rent the property, so... straight in the bin with the lot.
I ditched my tv licence finally, its like a huge weight off my shoulders, as l begrudged paying for service l seldom used ,the entire cancel procedure is a complete joke ,as at almost at every turn , they put the seed of doubt , in your opposition to chuck it in....its disgraceful , 170 quid covers my streaming service , on yer bike, bbc !!!
"An Officer [sic] may interview you under caution ...." Excellent! The caution begins "YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ...", and that's good advice which should be taken literally. If it gets to the caution stage (and it shouldn't - just close the door) say nothing. As Charles de Gaulle so rightly put it, "Le silence est l'arme ultime du pouvoir" (silence is the ultimate weapon of power). Also, the BBC needs a named person to prosecute so UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES give them that information.
BTW - a search warrant is simply that, legal authority to search for TV receivers. It is NOT authorisation to interview you, and you always have your right to silence. Say nothing, and certainly don't give your name.
Glad you covered this because I received the same letter, same date - it appears to try to look more legal without all the coloured boxes. I would welcome a visit because I'll tell them that I don't pay for state-supported paedophiles.
EXACTLY!! i dont understand how so many people are okay with funding them...
as long as the nobility exists, you are paying for pedos.
Oooof.......
The next stage is...another letter full of gibberish. Just ignore them, they can't do sh*t. Or just use them as a reminder of how much you are saving...by not having a licence. I've saved over £2k.
Made my day I've got forty, stopped watching TV when Mam went to hospital, Dad taken away by social services, Mam murderer by care system, and those cranks think I could continue as normal. Total Harassment... keep up good work!!
Entirely agree. This is illegal harassment plain and simple. Your advice is first class. Just a 'no thank you' if they come to your door. Even better just open a window near your door and say no thanks and keep your door closed.
My collection of letters going back about ten years now is coming along nicely. We should have a national exhibition of TV licensing letters. It's a good hobby, much cheaper than stamp collecting because they send them to you for free!
Let's start a club, it's called.... Have you had a letter from TV licensing. 😁😁😁😁😁
🤣😂🤣
I got a shit load also,I'm leaving them for my grandkids,to show how we did it in the old day 🏴👍🤣
I was collecting them too, but they’re good for the log burner 😃
I like writing 'Return to Sender' on them and posting them back - in the hope that this will cost them some money. 🤣😂🤣
It should be like any other tv service you should have an account to access the BBC, and if you don’t pay the Licence fee, your account is switched off, that will make it much easier for everybody
Agreed but the bbc won’t agree to this because they would immediately lose 80% of their funding
I wish BBC and ITV would go with subscriptions instead, so you only pay a certain amount per month or per 3 months, per 6 months or 1 year for a slightly reduced amount, like more or less every other service I use, more or less every app I've used which requires subs which can be cancelled at any time with no repercussions if like in these videos on this channel here, you should wish to stop using it. That would be a much more civilised route for the snobs up there to go down.
I'm 60 never had a licence in my life, just don't answer the door.
People really need to stop speaking to them
Amd stop paying for a license too
Or, you know, do speak to them, tell them your don't need a license and all the so-called 'harrasment' stops.
@@wembleyford only if you are a lucky one, its not about needing the licenses, its about buying one anyway
@@koool56 I used to work at Capita on the phones answering calls from people signing up, renewing or cancelling their licence and its honestly not that difficult to mark on the system that you don't need a licence, honestly it'd take me less than 30 seconds to mark on the address that you don't need one. I've never paid for a Licences in my Life either and I never will, either just ignore the letters or just let them know and they will stop contacting you.
I'm old enough to remember a time when Demanding Money with Menaces was a serious crime, almost always involving a custodial sentence.
It still is. The real problem is that schools do not teach our children to understand, and effectively wield, their civil and commercial rights.
No, instead its... Be a victim! Make ineffective complaints! Go find a mediator, like a child might go find an adult! Be a law consumer and hire a lawyer! .... anything but actually hold your own ground squarely and with certainly, whilst charging others for undue impositions upon your valuable time and resources. Unfortunately, schools don't raise children to be effective at civic engagement, but rather, to simply be a producer and consumer of goods and services.
They absolutely should, but they don't.
Teach your kids proper civic engagement (not just how to complain) and they will step out into the world with a major advantage from day 1.
It took me years to help my wife understand that we don't need a licence as we don't watch live TV or ipayer because of the fear of these empty threats scared her into buying one. Thankfully after watching videos like this we don't buy one anymore.
It's long past the time that the BBC should have become a subscription service! Please petition your MP to that effect!
Deny “implied right of access”…..end of! Tell me, why aren’t our MP’s questioning the language used by TV Licensing in their, frequently hostile, letters to:- “The Legal Occupier”? They must all agree, privately at least, that these letters contain thinly veiled threats of an intimidating nature?
Think implied right of access is only in England not 100% sure if it applies here in Scotland
@@thomas1112002 No it doesn't apply in Scotland. But for the rest of the UK it applies as far as I know.
I'd advise against that. There have been multiple instances of warrants being issued due to the revocation of implied right of access
MP's CAN question the language, but individual MP's have no power. And the BBC isn't the least bit scared of MP's. Only governments can rein-in the BBC and the the BBC knows that they won't...
Don’t get me started on mp’s and the government ! They do nothing but screw us over . They could put a stop to companies threatening people but do they ? Nah , they don’t want the hassle 😡
I got the exact same letter today. Their 'final stages of investigation' must be f*ing useless, as I've been at that stage for the last 8 months, at least. I've had 3 scheduled visits that didn't happen, and the one with my postcode area. They are clowns, and I will treat them as such, if they ever do actually come a'knocking.
I've been on their final investigation for 23 years! Longer investigation than the report into the JFK assassination!
Same here, my property has been due an enforcement Muppet visit since early last year. If anyone does turn up they're going to have had a wasted journey. I can't believe that they really think I'd be interested in watching any live TV, let alone paying to do so. When I did pay for a license the only things I watched were a sitcom or two, Top Gear (until Clarkson got fired) and Horizon. All I hear from friends who still pay for a TV license is that "the TV is rubbish these days" 😂
Funny thing is if you count all the letters, all the paper, the wages of the "enforcement officers" I would imagine they have spent more money trying to force you to sign up then they would get from your "fee".
I've had lots of red enveloped warning letters. I never open them, just put them in the recycling. Never had a visit in the 2yrs since cancelling it. Keep it up as it helped me to stop paying for something I don't need or use :)
Anyone who pays for a TV licence is complicit
anyone still paying frankly has too much money to waste....
@@robtheplod More vulnerable people will be scared and more likely to submit.
NPCs pay for it.
That is such a ridiculous judgemental thing to say.
Blame them not the innocent people who pay because they do watch live TV iplayer etc. They may not want to pay but you daring to blame them is offensive. Disgusting comment.
@@mmckenzie8085 so are you!
Final stages of their investigation means absolutely nothing. Deliberate harassment of people who legally dont need a license because they are trying to force you to buy their product.
No they're not 'trying for 'force' anything - theyre sending the letters because the previous letters have been ignored. I do not get these letters because I performed the very simple, and easy step of telling them i didn't have a TV. There's not harrasment, just a request for information. The only people who get these letters are those who choose to not inform the TVLA when they've previously made enquiries. This is their right to do this - just as it's TVLAs right to inform them of the law. No 'harrasment', no 'force'. Just people playing silly games and winning silly prizes.
@@wembleyfordthe letters are written in a horribly manupulative and threatening way to trick elderly and disabled people into buying a liscence. They are selling a service. I would never expect this behaviour from netflix or amazon. So why are they allowed to do it?
@@SaviourInDistress Well you said so yourself - they're absolutely not 'selling a service', they're collecting a license fee that's mandated by law. And if you or any one can find anything in these letters that is manipulative then someone would have a case to sue Capita. No one is being 'forced' into anything - which is what the OP said.
@@wembleyford they are selling a service and they lie and trick their way into your house and "catch" you just owning a tv and use that as a justified means to fine you. Owning a tv isnt illegal
I'll admit i was sh!t scared of them until 8 yrs ago when i came across channels like yours and watching goons at the door etc and haven't had a licence since. Ive had the letters every 6 months but since last year summer ive been getting them every 2 weeks which is crazy, they must be getting desperate.
You’re doing such a fantastic service to us all Jon. Love ya mate, keep up the good fight
An officer came to my house in Lincoln from Nottingham I have cctv and saw him knock at the door so I didn’t answer it and he left what a waste of a journey.
They are NOT officers.
Yes, you wasted his time. Well done.
"As you have not responded to our letters yet."
YET?
You got to admire their optimism. 😁
Desperation more like
Great work mate, I'm all the way over in Perth Western Australia but I still watch because of how ridiculous the TV license thing is and how scared we were of those stupid vans when I lived in London in the early '90s. We never paid the license though!
Never had a problem cancelling my tv licence in 2018. My mom watched regular tv but when she passed I cancelled the licence. I’ve never watched regular tv, ever. Every two years I get a letter. I go online, fill in the questionnaire and get a confirmation. Never had a problem. I was under the impression that tv licensing had a way of detecting folk who viewed regular tv. My mom said back in the day a van would go round checking houses for illegal viewing of tv. Personally I think tv licensing should be scrapped. Most folk watch Netflix, Disney, Apple, Prime. Who wants to watch the drivel put out by BBC and the like. How many folk have tv licences these days? I only know one friend who still pays for one.
@jennytaylor9858 >>>> All the vans with ariel on the top where for show.... they never worked nor evidence gathered (none) used in a court case. STOP GIVING TVL ANY REASON TO STITCH YOU UP!!!. Never fill out their 178 form = court date
You don't need to fill out any forms or give any of your details....... to the BBC (TVL). By giving them your details is that they know your up-to date contact detail to process you through courts - aka court summons.
I haven't had a license for about 6 years. I use to get these letters every 5 minutes. I went on their website and notified them I didn't need a license. They acknowledged it by email and said they wouldn't contact me again for 2 yrs. After 2 yrs they would contact me again to confirm the position hadn't changed. Which is what has happened and I just said I still don't need one. That's it. It's not an hardship to do that every 2 yrs. And I haven't had any letters or visits since I started doing it.
You're right - it's no hardship to do that and it will keep them off your back.
However, I don't tell them that I don't need one on principle :-
I don't drive a lorry but the Department of Transport don't keep writing to me to ask if I've got an LGV licence.
I'm unmarried, but the Local Registrar doesn't keep writing to ask if I have a marriage licence.
I don't fish, but the Rivers Authorities don't keep writing to ask if I have an angling licence.
So why does the BBC keep banging on about a licence to watch something that I don't?
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That's coercion
It depends on your circumstances. Should they find out you are vulnerable person, have mental or physical health issues they'll do their utmost to scam you.
I'm vulnerable adult so I've got threatening letters from them once a month despite informing them I don't need TV licence on their website, had lawyer inform them that due to harassment their right of access is revoked (they used that in court as evidence I must be watching TV and court accept it and fined me £400 and threaten me with contempt of court for asking to explain evidence TV licence provided. One was me refusing them access the other one was, quote: " 21547" repeatedly printed on multiple pages with nothing else written on page. despite not watching TV for over 10years at that point) they also increased the amount of letters they sending afterwards. There's no sat dish, or aerial antenna on my house either, never was and never will be.
@@robertstallard7836 Your analogy doesn't work, if you *purchase* say for example a classic sports car, it's reasonable to assume you bought it with the intention of driving it, if you however bought it with the intention of displaying it in a museum and it was never going to be driven on a road, you would SORN the vehicle, that is *declare* that you aren't using for it's usual purpose and wouldn't pay tax. The same thing applies here, if you purchased a TV, it's reasonable to assume you bought it for its intended purpose of watching TV (simplifying for the sake of argument), if you don't intend to watch TV, you declare it to TV Licensing and you don't pay the Jimmy Saville hush money tax.
@@TheKumaDono
I understand what you're saying. However:
1/ The law says that if a vehicle is registered in your name, you HAVE TO either purchase a Vehicle Excise Licence or make a SORN declaration. Failing to do one or the other constitutes an offence.
The same does not apply to a TV licence. If you watch live tv then, yes, you need to purchase a tv licence. If you don't, there is no obligation to make any declaration. You can, of course, for the convenience of the enforcement agency, but it is not compulsory.
2/ If there isn't a vehicle registered at your address, DVLA don't keep sending letters telling you that if, by chance, you do own one, you need to register it and purchase a VEL!
I've got about 8 years worth, I keep them because they're hilarious.
You should definitely keep them as proof of harassment
Currently on my 23rd year of BBC non payment/harassment letters. I'm yet to see the conclusion of their "investigation".
Ive got a couple of years worth, you're well ahead ! you've probably got £159 worth of demands 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@klawlor3659 im 31 years without now, Ive had 1 visit 23 years ago. A letter to the occupier every 4 years asking if i need a licence i send it back saying no proof of postage.
Do you get much hassle?
@@stephenholmes1036Now that's an achievement! Not much hassle, never had a visit just loads of paper threats!
Thanks for giving us all a confidence boost John, it helps strengthen my resolve.
These modern day gangsters are beyond the pale, harassing people who genuinely don't want to watch their lame programmes & propaganda. It's not called a " programme" for nothing .
I prefer to retain some independent thought & not be mired in brain- rotting mush such as " Eastenders".
I think they just can't believe that anyone would willingly reject their drivel , the audacity of their daylight robbery astounds me. Well, I am determined to not engage with them.They will get a firm but polite " no thankyou" and the door closed.
Keep up the good work ! And thanks again
I got the same letter. The first thing that entered my head was, if some chancer turns up at my house referring to himself as an officer could I report him for impersonating a police officer? It's clearly the game their playing, trying to con people into thinking they're officials, enforcing the law.
@Emm.jaycee. There is no entity in england called a police 'officer'. Every plod is a sworn CONSTABLE, regardless of whatever rank they achieve. 11:06
Something happened last week that’s made me more than a bit suspicious. I live in a flat. The intercom goes. I answer. This bloke says, "I'm from the electric. I just need to come in to check your electric". I have a new smart prepayment job and it felt off, so I said no. There were no vans about at all, let alone any with a power company or National Grid logo on them. I've had a lot of these threatening letters of late. Don’t know, obviously, but it was the way he said it. His tone was so Goon like and his word choice made no sense. "Check your electric", not, "read the meter". No saying what company he was from. My brain immediately went there. I got total Goon vibes. I have heard of them pretending to be from the gas company before so I wasn't taking the risk.
Probably trying to switch you over to a different company without you knowing.
They've pulled a similar stunt with me a few times, they'll say that they're checking the meter, but what they're actually doing is collecting data from your meter in order to switch you over.
Smart meters have remote access for all valid operatives.
If it develops a fault that requires a site visit, that will be arranged before hand.
"I'm from the electric" is a would be burglar.
Yes, Jon we all end up exasperated and it is quite comical in a sense. Who writes these nonsense letters. Agree, who are they to threaten the public?
I totally agree a corporation using bully boy tactics and "enforcers" to flease the public, and just as corrupt as the post office. It seems to be the accepted corporate way to behave today.
top bloke, I stopped paying for a TV licence over 2 years ago thanks to Your advice. I don't watch live TV and I'm not using iPlayer, therefore, I don't need their service. In fact, I'm surprised no one as of yet taken them to court. As an example I've been paying for years for service I did not require :(
Why would anyone take them to court? You either need a license or you don't. You could ask for a refund - but the answer they'd come back with undoubtedly was - why didn you buy a license if you didn;t need one - then they;'d point at the letters which clearly state why you may not need one.
I had that letter yesterday - straight in the bin. It annoys me that they're allowed to send these threats out indiscriminately. It doesn't phase me because I know the law, but there are vulnerable people out there who don't and will be frightened. It's just plain wrong.
Send them a financial Bill for reading storing/filing replying to the letters you have received. Some guy did it took them to court and won a financial settlement.
I remember that. They even tried delaying tactics to pay the guy. The guy responded saying “I suggest you stop playing games” and eventually they did pay
If you reply to the letters, they stop sending them.
"No thanks, i am not a customer"
I've had this one too, I used it to light my log burner
Got rid of my telly tax over a year ago after watching your channel. Admittedly I did it via the online form & apart from the acknowledgement letter they’ve never bothered me. It’ll be a cold day in hell before I fund the likes of Linekar et al! Thx for your channel
See - that was a tactical mistake - if you hadn't done that you could have posted a video ranting about how ANGRY you were about them sending you letters asking for information, but instead you, err, gave them some information so now you don't have anything to get angry about.
Yeah but where is the form located?
I was surprised to receive two letters from Capita today: The first to ‘the legal occupier’ and the second to ‘the person responsible’. I am returning them unopened as normal.
How much is the BBC spending sending a year sending those letters out
Waste of paper, wonder if it goes against environmental policies that most corporate places have to abide by?
Nothing.
It's been sub-contracted to Capita, a private company who do the actual enforcement. The amount of revenue Capita generates through getting people to pay for TV licences will be more than enough to pay for the letters, otherwise they wouldn't send them.
It’s tax payer money so they don’t care
Thanks Jon for all you do to inform help us stand up to these thugs
I got that exact letter as you Jon, it’s not as abrupt as last month’s previous correspondence in bright red Capitals!! I was going to upload it via your website, but thought you would receive it anyway. The pile of TVL letters are mounting up now. 😂
take some deep breaths, and dont let thier misinformation grind you down!
I live in america and it boggles the mind that it company has the ability to charge you for signals that free float in the air. If anything, you should be charging them for violating the airspace within your home with their unwanted signals.
You don't know our history. Back in the 1960s it was illegal to listen to "pirate" radio stations such as Radio Caroline and Radio Jackie, which of course everyone of my age (teenagers) made a point of listening to as much as possible. The disc jockeys became famous, and were snapped up by the BBC - e.g. Tony Blackburn, Johnny Walker, Tommy Vance and Kenny Everett.
There's a good reason for regulating the airwaves, though. I live next door to a heliport . . . 🚁
@@MyRackley I can respect that. I do not know your entire history. What I do know is here in America. We have something called the f c c that regulates the airwaves. The citizens of america are not charged for the array's going for the year, but those that produce the airwaves are heavily regulated and cannot transmit without licensing. It just seems very strange to me that the people who would naturally receive these airwaves, Would be the ones that need a special license. If you don't want somebody to receive your airwaves without paying for them in america, you simply scramble it and the customer would pay for equipment to actually be able to unscramble and read the transmission.
@@1stupidfishwonder whether we, as individuals, can scramble the airways in our vicinity so we can't receive their utter rubbish
It's because the BBC is a government corporation, therefore gotta pay for using their airwaves. Some other countries also charge but are gradually becoming less and less
The license fee is because BBC do not have adverts on their channels. The fee is apparently to pay for the content and also for the upkeep of the transmitting equipment as apparently they own it as far as I know. However, the ITV channels have adverts, but for some reason because they have to use BBC equipment to transmit, you still need a TV licence for that. But if you do not watch any of the national channels and instead stream from Netflix or Disney et cetera then you do not need as TV licence. Most people have a smart TV run from the Internet, so they are able to watch these subscription services without an aerial and transmission from government equipment. However, you can watch national channels via the Internet, but you need an account to login and I think you have to provide your TV licence number in order to activate the account through Wi-Fi. I don’t really have that problem because I don’t watch any of those channels as most of the content is absolute drivel. Hopefully this explains why this is such an issue here and so controversial, particularly as the TV license fee is quite a lot of money and people are struggling just to feed their children. So naturally a TV licence is considered a luxury.
I just removed their implied rights of access and stated I would charge a fee for any further letters or visits. Five years on . . . . . . . . . Still left in peace.
I've Never paid in 59yrs. The letters come , and they go straight in the bin.. Never had a visit yet. Still waiting, just so I can politely tell them , no thanks. 😊
I have this letter. Received it last week. Went in the recycling bin about 5 minutes after opening it.
Sick to my back teeth of these tactics from TV Licencing using scare mongering. There is a need for how TV Licensing acts and that will only happen under two conditions. Government policy or court case. I hope one of these happens soon.
So why did it take you 5 minutes to get their letter into the recycling bin? I've got my recycling bin under the letterbox so it drops straight in! 🤣
I used to send them back and let them pay the postage now I don’t even open them they go straight in the bin 👍
@@vicwiseman2340 House tidy. Wasn't about to drop important stuff for this crap. :)
@@igavinwood 😃👍
I have had these letters for 20yrs and only seen a salesman once that was 19yrs ago stopped watching TV in 2006
Respects my friend! You are so inspirational and know many people now subscribing to your channel!
I remember from previous household,our roommate who was paying for tv license decided that he don't need it anymore so he terminated contract. After a month we received similar letter and the guy who was subletting the rooms was panicked and he wanted us to pay.After hour's of convincing that we don't need it and that nothing will happened if we don't buy tv license. Finally he just took leap of faith. So to his suprise for next one and half year we didn't hear from them at all.
I file mine in the bin after I have written F OFF under the line they tell you not to write under!!
You fill in the form and then put it int he bin? Who do you think is going to read your 'FO' message? Are you insane?
I had this same letter last week, it is a little different to normal, so I put it to one side rather than in the recycling. I work part time for Amazon, doing deliveries, the day after my letter arrived, I was delivering to some flats that I regularly go to, all 9 of the flats on that staircase had a letter from TV licencing in the mailbox. I think the message is getting through to people.
I have the same letter. This from the same people who drove the tv vans as a scam. This show what sort of credibility they have. TV licencing is a protection racket, illegal in most countries. We should all presure our MPs to put an end to this scandalous behaviour!
What scandalous behaviour? Obeying the law? It's simple - you either need a license or you don't. How do you think that's a 'protection racket'?
All letters addressed to "the legal occupier" goes straight into the shredder.
Is it legal to shred Mr Occupier's mail? I think you should return to sender it, so they can resend it to his correct address. 🙂
An open request.
Has anyone who does not need a tv licence taken out any action to the police for harassment?
If so, please let us all know the process and outcome. Thanks.
I (middle aged disabled man) got literally assaulted (foot in door shoved hard, punched) by a TVL goon while 2 other stood and watched. Cops did nothing, if they won't act on that then there's no hope. The police are not there to serve us, they are there to serve the crown!
Now as it happens while i might be disabled... I'm disabled because I was military and an ex pro fighter (judo, mma etc), it did not end well for the goon who ended up with his arm up his back and his 2 colleagues began furiously disavowing his actions and apologizing.
This incident is why i denied access to my property to them, and why I informed them Ill respond with appropriate and legal physical force to enforce my right to privacy.
That is a very good question
@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I don't suppose you got any of that on camera? Regards.
@@mikeneill6813 nope, this was in the days before modern smart phones, phones had cameras but only for still images.
@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I wonder if Apple are working on a "Time Machine" Mode?
As the dinghy divers are processed and given free accommodation, in nice houses and flats, that not even our own homeless are entitled to, are the woke BBC going to hand them free TV licences or will they just not knock on their doors?!
The government will probably give them a licence at our expense!
the government are pathetic
FLOATERS
surely this amounts to harassment?? how can we take them to court for threatening language in these letters? are they breaking the law by suggesting their salespersons are Oficers? ie Police or enforcement Officers?? surely there is something we can catch them out on?!!
I've had this one a few times too. The same collection of generic templates are just rotated on a cycle and churned out. Its pathetic really.
I commented on a BBB video where I was saying how they can’t just rock up to the court demanding a warrant without evidence and one person replied..ahhh but if your on a bus watching live tv on your phone and the goon who has obviously been following you sees it then that’s the proof. I give up. Some people are just lost
Does anyone even watch live tv on phone
I got one of these this morning too, cheeky bar stewards it went straight in the bin like all of the others
Consider yourself lucky. In Germany the government has mandated that every household will pay the tv licence wether you have a tv or not. This has been taken to court, a guy "living on the land" no electricity, radio or anything. Nope, you got to pay.
I got the same letter on Thursday. Made me chuckle.
Got the exact letter last week ..same time once a month.been licence free for two and a half years now thanks to your channel ...they have left me with no alternative but to stuff this crappy letter in the log burner...😂😂😂😂
They prosecuted my daughter for having no TV license when she had paid for a 12 month license up front. She had emails thanking her for buying a license, she had a TV license number. The first thing she knew was when the court contacted her to find out why she hadn't paid her £756.00 fine. She emailed all the documents bact to the court and they have sent it all back to the judge to invalidate the case.
How did she get a fine if she had a tvl ,even if you don't they can't just take you to court you have to be stupid enough to let them in!
She must have let them in, tut tut 😮
@@susie5668 she told them she was watching bbc and Iplayer as she "had" a TV license
An officer has a warrant and commission from the head of state. Police only have a warrant, no commission, so even police are not officers. But some hired goon for a company is definitely not an officer. This abuse of rank needs to stop. Impersonating an officer should be against the law. And police impersonating officers should be the first to be punished. Those of us who earned a commission bloody worked hard to get there.
Honestly Jon, your videos make my day 😂 they’re brilliant and your attitude towards these gimps is bang on. Your videos have definitely transformed over the years but for the better, you’re getting funnier and more wound up as each video comes!
That looks to be the same letter I got today, only I haven't opened mine. I don't open any of their letters. Moved here almost 3yrs ago, still no visit. My last visit at my previous address, I showed the letter saying 'Under Investigation' & just said 'I couldn't possibly comment on a live investigation'. It's what politicians & police say when they don't want to answer questions.
I've only been back in the UK 5 months after being away for 20 years and I've had 3 of these already 😂
@@OoohAaah6603 It's absolute harassment & abuse, & would be deemed illegal by any other company!.
😂 that’s amazing
Good on you Chilli, keep wasting their time and money 🙂
Since me and my husband have signed to say we don't need this service, we have never received a letter since. They have also never come knocking on our door.
I just had that one too. It's like being in a little club. 😎
Like I always say the Big Bully Company behave like a mafia gang.
Nothing but pond life
Firelighters are nearly 4 quid a box. TV licence reminder letters are free😂
Exactly 💯 mine go straight in the log burner after I've read them for a great laugh 😂
Like John, I have been collecting their threats and menaces. I don't know if it is possible, but could a group be started somewhere with a view to taking a class action against the BBC and Capita, as their agents, for sending menacing and threatening letters through the Royal Mail, which is illegal?
Oo, I'll sign up there, for the sake of myself and my Grandparents. TV is my Gran's only contact with the outside world bless her, other than immediate family and friends who visit most days. I wouldn't wish £174 a year off people in this fassion for this reason.
Sending you a big hug. Keep the water out of the boat lovely man 💗
Thanks Jon. I had that EXACT same letter yesterday, so I really appreciate you covering it.
On another note, I wonder how much it would cost to send out a (legal) mass mailing leaflet to thousands of people (along with their royal mail mail), informing them of the FACTS about TV licensing.
Can you imagine if 100,000 people were to get the real truth about what you need a license for? I bet it would have a huge impact.
Wouldn't get through to me though. Anything remotely flyer like, straight in the blue bin for the dust cart to collect for recycling. Sorry abou' tha' 🥳
There's a company I found that apparently does it for £8,700 for 100,000 leaflets. You'll probably need to print the leaflets first though, looks like that'll be another £2,000.
A 2nd Class stamp is 75p now so if they was sending 100,000 per month that's
£75'000 a month or £900'000 per year and I don't believe for one minute they are paying this
not even close to it and with privatisation of royal mail they are stealing from shareholders
this is not on in my book.
Errr - the letters from the TVLA do exactly that. Why do you want to bombard people with even more junk mail?
The only reason people keep getting letters from the TVLA is because they're too stubborn to tell the TVLA they don't have a TV.
The TV tax Mafia.
Do not talk to them do not invite them into your house.
The only time i had a visit was at my old house a couple of months after i done the declaration thing, been blanking them now for a dozen years and just get the monthly letters. So don't communicate with them.
I'm on the 3rd or 4th of exactly your letter. Prior about half a dozen chasers to pay or trouble. I dont have a tv, I filled out a form and did online too a couple of years ago, I refuse to keep filling out forms, I now bin their letters unopened.
Your doing a good kind service, thank you.
All I do with the letters is cover up my address and write "Return to sender" and post it back.
wasting your time, TVL have an arrangement not to return these...... better to send to your MP asking why they permit a state run organisation to harass legally licence free people....
I don't understand why everyone doesn't do that 👍🏻
Return to Sender No Mr L. Occupier. at this Address.
Also remember to black out the QR codes in the window so they have to open the envelope to read them, and black out the second half of Licensing on the bottom right of the envelope leaving TV Lice.
Put it back in the post . R.t.s
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣keep going! Don't let the buggers grind you down!