Darragh MacAnthony & Simon Jordan Debate Graham Potter's Future - Sweden or Manchester United? 🤯⚽️
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- What next for Graham Potter? talkSPORT's Sam Matterface and Simon Jordan discuss alongside Darragh MacAnthony.
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Darragh and Simon are a great combo
Top LADS Proper Clobbers
I’ve been critical of Talksport recently but you have 2 absolute diamond presenters here
Simon and Darragh should be the main stays with Jim. Great listen when ever he’s on.
Simon is the mainstay. That’s why the program is called “White and Jordan”.
Darragh and Simon are a brilliant duo.
Darragh is great on here. More please.
I rate Potter as a manager, but imo at his time at Chelsea he was given so many players and I don't believe they were all his choice. Wherever he goes I wish him all the best.
Calling Klopp a “serial loser” seems a bit harsh.
There's a bit of context to that statement though. It was based on his Premier league tenure.First few years, plenty of finals but no success. But they acknowledged how he turned it round.
@@paulmartin9194 The League cup final was a penalty shoot out vs City, during the game City dominated and Liverpool had a poor team, in the final against Sevilla Moreno lost that final. The players where not good enough, hence Rodgers got sacked and Klopp was brought in. WIth his own team he won.
3 champions league finals big achievement 2nd to city lots very harsh
Darragh and Simon great combo
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I could listen to these two talk footy all day, talk so much sense
spot on.
Oh my lord please for the love of god give Potter the Utd job it would be the most amazing entertainment 😂
It's up to him where he goes. I'm sure if he wanted the City job they would fire Pep for him, same for Klopp at Liverpool. I think he'll go to Madrid though.
He could manage the local post office for about 11 weeks before they ask him to leave because the post was sent to Chelsea by mistake
Eddie Howe is so underrated. He’s a better manager than Arteta but because Arteta is a bigger name and at Arsenal, he’s “rated” higher. Eddie Howe has achieved miracles at Newcastle so far that few managers could pull off. He will be the next Alex Ferguson.
He's good but that might be a bit of a stretch. There won't be another Sir Alex.
@@chrissymc886But he only took 1 year to turn Newcastle around. Fergie took longer at Manchester United and at one point was needing a miracle to keep in the job. Then had that win versus Forest with Robbins' goal saving him.
@@nev7711 yes, Newcastle are the richest club in the world overall... How much money did Fergie have to spend back then? Fergie also won the Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen, beating Real Madrid to do so.
@@chrissymc886 you’re right, there won’t be. It’s a different era. But he could be the equivalent in the modern era, and not only for his ability as a manager and coach, but also because of how well aligned he is with Ashworth and the board.
@@ir0nMonKie I agree he could be great. I always enjoyed his work with Bournemouth. The board have to stick with him though and not get distracted if a bigger name becomes available.
Darragh love listerning to this man straight talker and works excellent with Simon Jordan
Met Darragh a few years ago and he is one of the nicest, smartest guys you could meet. Keown can’t stand toe to toe to Simon, Danny Murphy is articulate and insightful but Darragh oozes quality and we need to see more of him. Top man.
Brilliant lads , more of this please
Simon made an effort right there to tell everyone Todd was right to fire Tuchel despite the trauma Chelsea still remain in.
Well done simon
He should go to the Crystal Palace fr , I doubt Brighton would hate him for it .
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g the Koran makes no sense given the claim of how it was written. You set the bar too high.
Interesting discussion, thanks. Hopefully this video can also demonstrate that you don't need clickbait titles to get decent views. Debate worked just fine, no need for DEBATE
As a City fan, The Glazers should sign Potter as Ten Hag's assistant and I promise they'd shock the whole world
no thank you
Agreed re Howe is a stepping stone, although I hope I’m wrong!!!!
“Go back to Brighton” over my dead body
We have a manager, we DO NOT need to replace Ten Hag
Potter for Luton town or Sheffield he did a wonderful job with Brighton and I would like to see him back at PL
He wouldn’t take on a dead rubber. I think he’s better than that
No way would he damage his reputation by going to those clubs. It would be career suicide. Luton could have Fergie in there and they'd still get relegated. They're piss poor due to no squad investment and subpar facilities. Potter needs a mid-table job where there is investment.
I understand you aren't critical of Howe but im wondering where the observations come from - great coach showed that at Bournemouth, with a very thin squad brough them into the Premier and played great football - great man manager unbelievable coach in regards to improving players, his style is PERFECT for us up here high energy, attacking, pressing, is still learning how to adapt away at the big big clubs which i think he will, hes working with a very small group of quality players and the rest are mid table level players so if we adding 1 or 2 quality players in the next 2 windows each, i think we'll be ready to really start upsetting the big boys
I think the argument is that while Newcastle may eventually end up with a squad that's comparable to other title contenders, they won't have one that eclipses them. Therefore, they will need a truly elite manager who, on his own, can win significant points and make a difference. The truly elite managers have everything that very good managers, which Howe undoubtedly is, do plus something extra. In the modern game, we're talking Guardiola, Ancelotti and Klopp. I'm guessing Simon et al don't see that 'extra' in Eddie Howe. I don't either.. as yet. I like him and am open to the possibility that he will step up and find that something extra. He's managed to step up at every other opportunity in his career so far, so I wouldn't rule it out this time either. I think we haven't seen either him or another coach I really like - RDZ - in a situation where they're managing big name, elite players. That's obviously difficult or everyone would just rock up to training with lopsided eyebrows smoking a cigarette like Ancelotti and win things. Howe has changed the culture and set the mood at Newcastle in a very impressive way. The open question is whether the way he's done it survives big names coming in on big money. If I were a Newcastle supporter, I'd want steady progress along the current lines instead of swinging for the fences, to give it the best chance of working with Howe and maintaining the ethos of the club. Part of the reason Newcastle and Howe are getting plaudits is that they didn't just bruteforce their rise up the league by buying everything that moves and is willing to move to Newcastle - they've bought some good players, revived the careers of others who were undervalued, and improved the players already there - what one would term 'doing it the right way'.
@paulie-g I agree with lots of what you said - but to make a judgement about Howe not being able to compete right at the top is more of a British mindset IMO because for so long European managers have dominated the Prem but I would say if Howes passport said Spanish and it was Edwardo Garcia people make look at him at lot differently IMO - the good thing is its all going to play out and we will see who is correct. I believe he has bought a bunch of time with the owners and fans due to his turnaround in such a short space of time, from a fans perspective if we don't win a trophy this season and don't make Champions league I can't imagine majority of fans wanting to see him replaced - we've had our best times with English managers, Keegan, Sir Bobby and now Howe, I feel the understand the club and city better than any European manager could
@@chrishaswell4405 You necessarily make a judgement based on the information you have. Pundits don't get to just say "we'll see, won't we". Personally, although I like the play style he has put in, I don't see a great deal of tactical flexibility in-game or game to game. Newcastle are also not controlling games the way a top 2 side does, which we sort of brush aside because we understand they don't have a top 2 squad and are way ahead in their development and results vs expectation. Howe has not been tested at CL level. All of this adds up to "as of right now, there is not a lot of positive proof that he's an elite manager." There is some, though. He's clearly shown an ability to improve players massively, whether it's Joelinton or Gordon (but puzzlingly not Saint-Maximin). On balance, as of right now you'd have to say 'no', but can't rule out a 'yes'. If I were a Newcastle fan, I'd certainly want to stay on the ride and find out. At some point, he'll either butt up against his limitations or he won't. You certainly can't point to many managers and say they'd have done better so far. I'm not sure a southern soft lad like Howe has a great advantage in understanding Newcastle vs a continental manager - he's never taken his shirt off in public as far as I'm aware, he's never tried to punch a horse, a lot of work still to do ;)
@paulie-g lmao I understand the sarcasm at the end but he doesn't have to be out with lads on Friday night down the big market to prove he fit in lol , and again i agree tactically he's not a Pep, but who is to be honest. I'd use Klopp as example who has a style and he rode the style of play all the way to a champions league and a premier league, he was just lucky he got VVD and Alison who enabled that style to work and those 2 could cover for a lack of tactical prowess IMO he wanted to play a high line and press like crazy - I feel Nick Pope is the clear weakness in our team currently great shot stopper but ever since he was sent off vs Liverpool last season and missed the cup final he's clearly lost his confidence when it comes to sweeping behind the back 4, so again we will see but until Howe proves he can't take us any further with a better squad we 100% believe he's the man to take us to where we want to go
@@chrishaswell4405 You've got it a bit backwards with Klopp - yes, you always want to compress the pitch when you're pressing, but he only moved that backline that suicidally high *because* he had VVD (and VAR came in, which made playing successful offside traps now worked 100% of the time). He's actually developed and evolved the style significantly over the years - we are now no longer a gung ho, fast and direct high-block pressing side creating chances from possession regains - we press selectively from a mid-block and are a possession-dominant side predominantly playing mid-tempo most of the time (this is because we can't play at that intensity given the number of games we now play, we no longer have Bobby, and also because few teams are stupid enough to let us run at them in transition).
Pope has never struck me as a sweeper keeper, so you're going to need a new one if that's core to Howe wants to play. Haven't watched enough of yous to say if he's enough of a problem, I'd probably upgrade the midfield first (whatever Longstaff you have left specifically), and someone more reliable than Almiron. But yeah, absolutely give Howe a go and see where you get to. He may well surprise us all. In the meantime, yous lot are a great watch. I place him, along with RDZ, in the bracket of exciting young up and coming coaches who are as yet unproven but whom I like and want to see succeed (obviously not at our expense).
As a Spurs fan living in Norwich...The Canaries would be a great fit for him....once the club sorts itself out. He would bring them up, great fan base and they would eventually be the new Brighton. Delia has to let go NOW though...not wait 3 years!
Bradford should go for him. They need someone to get them out of league 2 😂
No one wants Potter at United. We saw what happened to him at Chelsea..
He did just fine at Chelsea. No worse than what Poch is doing today. They both have the same issue of not having a goal scorer.
Potter's Chelsea controlled most games and created many many chances, just like Poch's, but both don't have a goal scorer.
Tbh. Wouldn't be too bad for him. Dip his toes back into management after what happened at Chelsea.
Being a Liverpool fan its good to see MU at the moment but Klopp took a few seasons to start putting a serious attempt at the league. ETH overachieved in his first season getting 3rd and winning a cup. Their fans want instant success, that NEVER happens
We don’t want instant success….we want new owners.
Slightly disagree. Yes United fans are impatient but no more than Liverpool fans wld be. It's the manner of the performances that are depressing. There's just no respite from the awfulness of their Owners as they now see the misery reflected on the pitch too.
Liverpool were in 8th when Klopp took over, and not long after they nearly went bankrupt with the previous owners. People have such short memories.
We done better then you last season. Klopp is still failing but coz people like his personality they get a pass. If he was manager of Manchester United all that time and still not winning he would of been sacked. ETH is doing better then Arteta and Pep done In this time frame also especially with all the injuries and drama he is our miracle man
@dondamon4669 Klopp certainly endears himself to people with his personality, but he also had a distinctive style of play which took shape more or less straight away, everyone could see what he was trying to implement because it was consistent with his style at Mainsz and Dortmund.
As a neutral fan, I couldn't tell you what style of play ETH is trying to implement, but it definitely doesn't look like what he formed at Ajax, and we've had 50+ games for him to implement whatever he's trying to build.
United overachieved last season, but they are massively underperforming this season, albeit in the midst of an injury crisis, so it's fair to criticise him for that.
He'd have more credit with people if we could see an end point, i.e. a distinctive style of play. Perhaps he's hamstrung by the injuries, but as players start coming back there will need to be an improvement or he'll be out within the next few months.
Talksport just does not understand Eddie Howe. Every time they put a ceiling on him he smashes it, but the needle doesn't change with this lot
Who is the guy on the right please, and what is he Renown for? Excuse my ignorance 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Big darragh, the guy Simon wishes he was
Imagine a scenario. ten Haag is sacked and they replace him with Thomas Frank. Graham Potter then takes the Brentford job. That would be a great move for Potter.
Palace would also be a great team for him.
Get him down Ashton gate !😂
It's easy to sympathize with Potter. He is a talented young manager with a promising career ahead of him, aside from his time with Chelsea. For the past few years, Chelsea has been a challenging job, much like Manchester United. It would be wise for him to wait for Southgate to get sacked, as it would be a perfect opportunity for him to take on the role. If he chooses to take the Sweden job and fails, his career may be forever tarnished by his failures at Chelsea and Sweden.
Potter was never given a fair crack at chelsea. If the right club came in for him im sure he wud be a good fit. Hes proved he can manage in the premiership and is a decent manager.
and you really think he can FIX Utd ?! ahahaha Utd is in a Big Mess
That guy just said any EPL side outside of the bottom 3 for Potter but not a top 4 side, but then he said but not Manchester United so from that i can only presume he still sees them as a top 4 team (or bottom 3)
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We are? What you talking about, we done better then Liverpool last season. ETH is doing better then Pep, Arteta and Klopp done in the time period
@@dondamon4669 I can only presume you are a Manchester United fan, because you are being ridiculous. I like Manchester United, a great club but this current team is awful.
As a westham fan I can gladly say I hope he don't get another job so when we finally get rid of Moyes I'd love for us to get him in
Ah good call, that wld be a fantastic match up as you have potentially a very exciting squad if the shackles were taken off. Moyes just seems to be too cautious to use the talents offensively.
I think if your defence was beefed up, add a CDM and you'll be flying.
But wld WH fans go for him? It's almost criminal how Potter's reputation has suffered because of the sheer incompetence of Chelsea's bloated Owners.
Moyes is probably the best manager you have ever had. West ham not getting relagated is a fantastic achievement, as you will be er ever win anything so Moyes is perfect for west spam
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He doesnt have the chops to price it in for dollars for donuts and the price of cheese
Simon needs to finally tell us what exactly Tuchel did to be fired?
He was in the middle of a nasty divorce and bohely wanted him to micromanage everything he didnt tuchel want to focus on training
they clashed fired him the next day
Stop naming arteta as one of the big guys he isn’t only klopp and pep are the big boys that’s it arteta isn’t any better than the rest
In world football there are only a handfull of 'elite' managers, it the Premier League there are two; Pep and Klopp. Then you have the next tier down of managers, the likes of Emery - Do I think Howes as good as Emery? - No, and neither do the Newcastle Board which is why we went for Emery as first choice. Emery has the titles and Howe doesnt. But there is absolulty no reason why Howe cant grow with this Newcastle team. We already place him in the same bracket as Keegan and Sir Bobby and he's only been here 2 years.
I also think the fact he's English doesnt make him fashionable so the elite clubs look over him and go for Poch or ten Hagg - and in my opinion Howes already at that level.
Potters not the right Manager for United, there’s not the right structure at United .Potter although different from Clough has a similar approach mixing young talent and experience reviving players who others have passed over.
Potter should take the England job, preferably ahead of the Euros.
Can't do any worse than Southgate. I felt sorry for Graham Potter, by the way the poisoned chalice of Chelsea didn't give him a chance. I hope he finds success in his next venture.
De Zerbi will go to AC Milan, Pioli is floundering
I dont understand how these guys rate Potter so highly. He is useless, everybody forgets that at Brighton he only managed to win 7 points from an 11 game run.
Potter would be a good choice
Dargah being there makes Simon more tolerable. Simon obviously has respect for him, so tailors and calms his usual brash behaviour for that very reason.
WE DONT WANT HIM AT UTD
It is clear that Potter had enough of British media.
Hard to judge Potter at Chelsea as even Poch isn’t really doing better and the spending has continued. Man Utd would be a great fit in some ways but the problems there would make it a similar scenario to Chelsea. He couldn’t turn it down but they shouldn’t go to him.
He’d do well at most prem clubs though I think.
Poch as bad as Potter whas so if follow the trend he should be sack, nedia talk about poch win it whas Paris Sg win league he lost the league to whis should show he not good enough to, is it 2 times Paris SG fail to win title sinces take over, no team ther is even close.
Arteta took 2.5 years before getting Arsenal to look good.
Potter was given 4 months........
If Potter was Spanish, maybe he'd have been given the same time.
This's the worst episode of Are You Being Served...EVER...
West ham he will be perfect at the end of the season when they get rid of David Moyes
People keep going on about De Zerbi when King Emery I has flown past him….
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Give him the West Ham job. Get rid of dinosaur Moyes!!!
Matterface is so much better than White. Jim is just argumentative and disagrees Matterface asks questions that will further the conversation.
If Eddie’s name was Roberto he’d be in contention to be next City manager. Shame
Baggio?
Firminho?
The real question is who does he identify as?
Wasn't he off father ted?
Potter should stand PAT for the short term as everyday Chelsea continue to burn under Poch vindicates his reputation.
Darragh whipping out the vix. Quality content.
Yeah right that millionaires "vix" 😅
Cocaine 🤩👌
Simon and mini Simon
He's intelligent.. he'll avoid united.
IF HE GOES TO UNITED THE MEDIA WONT CRITISISE HIM SOO IT WON'T BE MUCH FUN
The bloke on the right Is on the packet ain't he, facial expressions. Watch it.
Literally just writing off Howe because hes English
Jurgen Klopp was a "serial loser". That's a new one.
What is your problem talksport? Who gave you money to say this nonsense?? Leave erik ten hag alone. he is the best manager for our club
Hahaha potter won’t ever get the seat at old Trafford
Have these people got nothing else to talk about - Potter at Utd, give me a break - glad even Simon put that to bed. The problem with everyone nowadays is they are so reactionary, and have no patience….rebuilds are hard and take time. Arteta finished in 8th, 8th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd so it took him 4 seasons to begin getting things right.
The greatest manager ever Sir Alex Ferguson finished 11th, 2nd, 12th, 13th, 6th, 2nd, then 1st so it was not until his 7th league campaign that he won the league, then for the next 21 years Utd never finished lower than 3rd three times, and were either 1st or 2nd for 18 of those 21 years. I’m in no way saying ETH is Sir Alex, but he needs time, the issues at Utd are so bad no one is going to solve them overnight.
Darragh > Keown
This Darragh fella is a good talker, they should have hm on more often
Out Jim all together
Waot name me 1 supertar for man u or 1 top player .... over rated players on big contracts moved his mates in noing 15mill sacking fee in place 😂
Steve Bruce should never of been sacked after the miracles he performed for Newcastle, probably the best British manager ever
the fans loved him too. showered him with fresh cabbage
Yeah Bruce gets loads of stick, because he is no sexy name
Potter to Man United….
PLEASE GIVE HIM THE UNITED JOB
Cause he done such a great job at Chelsea? United is a complete mess from top to bottom. Most managers would stall well away.
*Everyone:* "ETH needs time"
*Everyone:* "Arteta needs time"
*Everyone:* "Poch needs time"
Meanwhile. Potter gets 4 months...
*Everyone:* but..but..but... he couldn't magically get 40 new players to gel in 4 months so he needed to go...........
Potter is a real bad manager darragh talking 💩 as usual
England job
Man U?! 👀…😂😮😅…that is a joke…
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If United fans can talk about their history all the time LOL
Newcastle's target this year would be 5th ir 6th.
Eddie Howe with a budget is a force to be reckoned with, and I’m enjoying every moment where he proves people wrong, again and again 🙌😁
Lol 😂😂😂
Man U
You are kidding
He has no history
Won nothing
Every manager has “won nothing” at some point!
Sadly Potter was never going to get time at Chelsea, there fanbase are spoilt brats
Utd fanbase are also spoilt brats they also want instant success I guess, every big club wants results man no big club keeps a manager that was a disaster during the season, I m not saying instant win the title but try to give a good impression try to make top 4
It's quite funny seeing Sam being bookended by two of the sharpest tools in the toolbox 🧰
West ham he will be perfect at the end of the season when they get rid of David Moyes
if Howe goes, then he's replaced with a big name continental manager full stop