Callies makes a 210/218 camshaft that is a little lower end specific than this. Obviously smaller so a little more driver Friendly. But this is absolutely tied with my first place favorite. If you are ok with and want a little more this is it! If you are leery this cam still might be too big the Callie’s is it! They both have their strong suites but awesome in full size trucks!
I've installed the truck Norris nsr in my 03 suburban with a 250k mile 5.3 . I did put a rebuilt and lightly ported heads I did on a few years ago. The heads were shaved 30 thousands and when cc'd raised the compression by one point. I have tuned it myself so far. This is also the first time using HP tuners myself. I've got the idle down pretty darn good. It definitely has more power. For a 6klb vehichle it rips.
Great to hear that man. I have an 02 suburban I'm putting the .553 lift truck norris cam in with rebuilt heads. Has 260k on the clock. Also been tuning with HP tuners myself on my SS sedan. Can't wait to hear the lil 5.3 chop like my LS3 did.
awesome video. a lot of people prefer the longer videos like15 to 20 minutes. they way you did this one was great. if you give people more content we will all watch it for sure. we dont care what you put out for videos just put out stuff and we will watch
You've just about got me decided on this cam for my truck. I wanted something that makes good low end and doesn't require 6800 rpm for power but also has the nice cam chop everyone loves. Seems to be shaping up to be a good daily driver cam.
This is truly an awesome cam. It’s still a little big depending on who you ask. But it is the most powerful can through the curve for a heavier vehicle available in my opinion.
My advice would be over-shoot on your valve springs a bit for some head room. I got a Comp 54-700-11 about 2 months before I heard of the Norris cam. It's technically a NSR cam but I used BTR .560' with factory converter and made 312whp on 93 octane .The torque reading of 409ftlbs was def wrong in my opinion The rpm range is 1500-6300 if I remember right. Will need a tune to clean up the idle as it's asking for about 4g more of air. You can see a small pull on my channel. 5.3 4x4 single cab. EIther way good luck with the build Jay
Thx. Plz do a truck norris cam in a 364ci stroker 5.3l with stock 243 heads, 580# beehive springs, tbss intake, cold air filter, better oil catch pcv system, and straight through exhuast. Planning to add an sc to this combo soon and would like to know potential numbers na ahead of time. Thx
Thank you for this video, I have any 01 Silverado 5.3, I was wondering what to actually expect as far as power out of just a cam and header swap. Now I know I need gonna need a lot more to get to 500whp
The oem ones are outlasting 75% of these aftermarket’s as of lately! I’ll rock an oem high mileage non dod lifter way before a sub $320 set right now. It’s been an aweful two years of aftermarket’s
@@NorthernPerformanceCars building my lq4 with 243 heads, sloppy stage 2 cam, long tubes,and dual 3" out. I read and read and finally decided on a Delco lifters, seen waay too many aftermarket parts self destruct last couple years, a buddy if mine went thru 3 sets of lifters clacking on his fresh built 5.8l Ford, my dad had federal mogul lifters wipe out a cam on his 289.... I went with ac Delco parts where I could on this build bc I atleast know they can be trusted.
@@erik120719 no doubt man. I have to turn away quite a bit of work because guys want to choose their own parts. I stand by my work and my name. So unless I pick out the parts. Or they choose quality stuff. That’s just the way it needs to be.
+1 on a dyno of the truck norris LQ9 with TBSS/NNBS 90mm LS3 TB and 706/862 heads. I'm putting my setup together next week and looking for a decent local dyno shop here in San Diego.
I like how you broke everything down in slight detail but kept the video moving. My interest now is maybe sometime do a Pro/con of your puller and install special tools for valve springs or what you have found to help make job quicker . Etc
Perfect I was hoping that the Truck Norris cam would work good in the 4.8 and I was thinking of throwing a 2800 stall behind it which I'm thinking is also perfect with that cam. Keep up the great content!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars what all did you have to change when you swapped to the Truck Norris Cam? I'm dealing with a 2006 LR4. Did you have to tune the stock ECU? Im not racing the truck, just want to give it a NA boost as this will be my hauler.
I’m doing this cam with 862 heads in my 06 Silverado with a 5.3. Also going to do a tbss intake and throttle body, trunion upgrade. Looks to be a great cam.
Really enjoying the various content you have done on this cam. I bought this cam for my build, using it in a lq4 with 862 heads along with the tbss intake and 92 mm tb. My build won’t be finished for a while, but have enjoyed seeing the power it makes in various engines. I would love to see a video of this cam in a 6.0. I’m thinking on 2800 rpm converter for my setup. Thinking I don’t have to go too crazy since the 6.0 has more grunt down low than a 4.8/5.3.
I daily a 3000 stall on a internally stock Dyno tuned 6.0 It’s fun. Best mod I’ve done beside the motor swap. It drives like stock untill you get on it. It’s what is called a right convertor. It’s not slipping excessively creating tons of heat most run the tru cool 40k trans cooler to help control heat if you hot rod around town. I got a circle d specialties economy converter.
@@kleenhall6885 That’s one of the converters I have been eyeballing. I just don’t want to spend crazy money on a converter. It’s kind of a budget build, but the converter is going to be the most expensive item out of the entire build. Was wanting to stay under $600.
@@dickbrugh5562 you can get a 3000 stall built from ACC (Atlantic Coasts Converters) for $310 shipped. With warranty and upgraded internals. They are out of florence SC. I am beyond satisfied with it.
Love the videos, keep them coming. They’re very informative. Question and sorry if I missed it in another one of your videos, but can you give me a recommendation on a torque converter and gears for a 4.8 L LS motor with the same cam, truck, Norris. I have a RCSB project my son and I are working on. Thanks again.
If it’s a for fun 2wd truck. I’d do a 3,600 stall. Depending on tire size for the gear. For a 28-29” I’d do a 4.10. For a 30-32” I’d do a 4.56 for sure.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars thanks for the follow up. I should have given you more info. It is 2wd, tire size is 265/40-22, and I forgot to mention I was looking for a streetable daily driver. Thanks again for the follow up. I do a appreciate it.
Hi there..I am in the middle of swapping a 5.7 LS1 ('98) ..into a 93 Gen 1 Single cab S10..(about 2800 lbs ) It is intended to be a 750 vac sec Holley carbureted, Edelbrock dual plane RPM equipted SNAPPY cruizer.. long tube 1 3/4 ceramic quoted headers . I live in the Cayman Islands; most of the time will be spent cruising at between 40 and 60 mph..The heads will be either mildly ported stock 241s , or 706s, with dual 2.5 exhaust/free flowing turbo type mufflers. Transmission will be either the matching 4L70E with stand alone control, or a T400. Thinking 2500 stall, if T400..or 2800-3000 with lockup converter with 4L60E. Rpm wont go over 6000..😉 Rear gear will be between 3.23 and 3.73, depending on trans. Compression should be right around 10.5 or so, with either the 706 or shaved 241 heads.. Tell me Doc..What is your cam suggestion.. ? (I DONT need to "hear" a big "chop"..but want lots of low end grunt between 1500 and 5000.) I really like the published specs/characteristics of the 3 cams mentioned, BTR TNorris, Callies, CamMotion Lil Chopper. What would be your pick? P.S I will use nitrous 150-200 shot when I want to fire things up a little..😅 P.P.S. Tire diameter 27-28 inches..
Let me know if you guys want a truck to mess with I’m just down state I’ll drop my Sierra off 😅. Don’t worry it’s only been in state for a few months it’s not rusty lol. Good video, seriously. I have always wanted to see the summit truck cams dyno’d and compared.
Which you think about the little chopper cam, Duration at .050: 222/232 108 Lobe Center Angle with a 105 Intake Centerline Lift with 1.7 Rocker Arm Ratio: .595"/.587" with tbss intake, 243 cnc/ milled .30 and 1-7/8 headers and upgrade valve train and 3600 circle d stall!!
im truck shopping and have settled on wanting a 05/06 5 speed 4.8 for general driving and light to moderate hauling for things like camping and offroading and I think this is the boomstick that's going to go into it when i get to the point of modifications. It sounds good and a bit lopey without being obnoxious, plus it has a pretty rad name on the tin. Since i will have no worries of a convertor (and have a local clutch expert if i need one of those) this cam seems like a great fit, perhaps bringing mpg's up under load? I really can't wait to dive into LS stuff and a cam seems like the absolute best way to do that after catching up on maintenance. how should i go about tuning? holley seems super easy to get started with and has a solid wealth of support behind it but has a price tag to match, how does it stack up to the more budget-friendly hptuners and the stock setup as far as learning curve? I have decent experience with turbo 4 bangers and megasquirt, but it took me all of 4 years to learn that language and establish a completely turnkey car. How different are the associated softwares? I would be street tuning by myself, as i have no access to a dyno and would likely rely on a base ignition map. Maybe virtual dyno if I decide to chase numbers but I'm not looking for bleeding edge power out of a truck right away, it's just utility for the forseeable future. 87 is generally unfeasible in the F/I world, how safe is it with just a cam? what about after an intake/exhaust? Can I end up running into detonation issues pushing that much more air?
The 4.8 5 speed is a good combo, go for it. And this cam is a very good one for any of the ls truck motors. Watch some of Richard holders dyno tests with this cam in a bunch of ls’s. I had a 4.8 5 speed single cab short bed and I wish I hadn’t ever sold it. It was pretty much stock with a 6” lift. For tuning, there’s a ton of options, Diablo sport is one of my favorites but a bunch of people do good tuning for ls stuff. I would also recommend a trailblazer ss intake, you’ll get another 20+ ft lbs of torque out of the cam.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars - I am on my 2nd cam in my truck. About to do a 3rd and finally ditch the 317s. Trying to go faster without killing the useful aspect of it being a truck.
@@bluecollarhotrods9781 I’m right there with you. I’ve mentioned it a few times. I worked with Callie’s a couple years back and they whipped up a 210/218 .552/.552 108lsa. It’s been my favorite full size work truck cam.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars - I started with a TPIS ZL10 - basically a TBSS cam on a tighter LSA. Currently an EPS 214/220 .598"/.605" 111+3. This is in an LQ4/80E swapped 01 RCSB, stock converter, 4.10s, FBO. I have two options: Summit 8720 and AI rebuilt 799s milled to 63cc, or a 224/232 and PRC STG 2.5 862/706 milled to 58cc. Either top end with get a FAST LSXRT in place of the current TBSS. I have two converters as well, one 3000 and a 3600. I've been collecting parts when I find good deals... "plans changed" on marketplace. Most of this stuff is brand new and in inventory.
really need to see someone do one of these cams with a fast lsxrt with the 102mm throttle body I have a feeling the stock intake manifold is choking the cam out pretty good and I'm betting possibly 20-30 horses at the wheels and I imagine being able to let it rev up too 6500+ would work wonders in a 4.8 but that's just my theory
It certainly would make a bunch more top end. Lost quite a bit under the curve with the shorter runner. A Tbss/gen 4 intake would be worth a good amount. Everywhere in itself.
@@chrishansen7004 oh no doubt, I just feel like this cam is more based on a true truck cam that maintains torque and horsepower where a truck would use it. I ran a Texas speed stage 3 truck cam in a 4.8, it maintained the gains all the way to 7200 before it fell off.
Yes buddy I want the Norris cam for my l33 5.3 but I'd live to see more testing or wanna know if there is a better option for a mostly stock truck 05 extended cab 4l60e gonna do cam and headers w exhaust and a tune
I posted a few videos of the cam in a 5.3 in my red truck. This is one of the two best cams for a close to stock truck. This Norris cam and Callie’s 210/218
Installing this cam in a ls swap blazer with electric fans, built trans with 3k stall converter with exhaust and cold air intake. What kind of number you think I could roughly pull out of it?
This is rather larger. Will carry power higher. Not lose a ton down low. Not as good as a towing cam specifically but probably worth 10hp and torque across the curve.
I have to ask, do you think the BTR cam is worth the cost? Their stuff is like $100+ more than some of the competition. I'd have to imagine there's a noticeable step up in quality for that price difference.
First and foremost. Always consider the actual cam core and cost of goods that are started with. Not all metals/materials are equal. Common place there are 3+ can cores offered.
I have this cam to go in the 4.8 that I’m dropping in my 66 Nova wagon. It’ll be backed by a stock powerglide and a 25” tall tire. Do you think a 2500ish stall would be needed? Thanks
@@NorthernPerformanceCars i see btr have two different truck norris cams profiles "Truck Norris" Camshaft Specs: 212/22X, .552/.552, 107 LSA and 224/230 481/481 109 lsa which one would be a better choice for 1988 s10 blazer 2wd gen 4 5.3 with th350 3.73 gesrs thx
I posted a follow up to this video. At the end of the follow up video there is a close up. Matter if fact I just finished a 5.3 this evening. I’ll post a video of it.
It would do awesome! I have a saying, we’ll kind of. 150 shot or nothing! By the time you pull timing and do all of that work. The 100 shot is barely scratching the surface. Pull 5-6 degrees to start. One step colder plug and get the jetting correct.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars haha true, I’ll do that appreciate it, I was debating about this camshaft, but this just shows why I should get it lol. Thank you love the content
Great video! I’d really like to do this cam/long tubes with my 06 2500 6.0L. What head would be a better choice if you don’t mind me asking? I need low end torque for towing.
I’d throw a 243 cylinder head on there. It’d raise compression a decent bit. Around .9:1. The compression jump would make power from idle all the way to redline Would be great overall.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars So you have that tuned on 87 octane would that retain stock mpgs or even improve them and what about 89 octane and even premium not like I care much but for some reason it was on my mind and how much hp/torque gains would there be from higher octane
Likely that cam would make 5 more peak horsepower being it has a few more degrees intake and exhaust. 114lsa would carry the powerband fired her.. But it would have a much worse powerband. I’d assumed 30 less torque at 2,000. 15-20 less torque from 3,000 to 4,500. That’s where the truck Norris shines. It’s the most snappy and powerful aftermarket can from 1,500-5,000 I’ve seen. Then runs with the best of them to wherever the intake plateaus.
I bought this cam kit to go on my lq4 6.0 with headers and a tbss intake as well. I went with 706 cathedral port heads as they raise the compression ratio gaining power along with the slightly smaller intake valve increases port velocity also gaining power. I haven't installed it yet but from everything I've seen and read, this should be a badass combo. 😎
Shit I was looking at the stage 1 V2 truck cam for my 08 4.8L single cab now I may just consider this! I’m looking to add a converter and 3.90s or 4.10s. Unfortunately my little single cab is a one wheel peel 😂. Do you think this cam would bleed off too much for boost with the LSA @107?
Oh yea. This thing is awesome in that truck. It would be that much better with the gear and any converter. You called it. I wouldn’t choose to boost it with so many excellent cams designed for it. This is what it is as an aggressive mild n/a camshaft.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Sweet that extra mid range power and strong top end goodness this thing is right up my alley. I’m also running a 29.5-30” tire. I’m a part of the ditch the heavy wheels crew ever since I had heavy ass 22s I’ll never go back to em.
I could probably do that. Although I did include a driving video with this cam in my 5.3 and stock torque converter. But I dont mind. I can put a little follow up video together. Just didnt want to wear out the topic.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars no such thing as too much content on a new cam! I put the truck Norris cam into the 5.3 that’s going into my crawler Tacoma, little nervous about it being too much cam and won’t find out til it’s all built and rolling again lol. Still gonna send it though, always wanted a choppy Taco.
@@nickramsay2560 you are right there my man! Everyone keeps telling me to post more. Just didn’t want to be annoying or lame. It’s definitely a little chunky. But you can tame it down with timing from jumping around also. Take some of the “chop” out of it. If need be
Awesome video brotha you’re getttin the channel dialed in nicely ! Do you prefer to swap the cam while the engine is still in the vehicle or pull it ? Keep up the badass work !
For something like this. It is far faster inside. Even when I do dod deletes I still leave them in the vehicle. Gen 5 stuff is questionable. Oil pumps are questionable.
I just installed this cam in my 2004 rcsb silverado with the 4.8. Ever since I’ve gotten it done, and tuned I should add, my abs and brake light is coming on, sometimes stays, and sometimes goes on and off randomly. Any ideas?
@@kevincranford8242 the cam is .552 lift. So yes. Ls6 springs would work. Ls3 will work. Btr sells a new set of sp011’s that are the perfect pair for them. Comp sells a few different .560-.600 lift single springs that use the stock retainer.
Torque cam would drive and tune much easier. This is a much larger camshaft. So make more power. But drive more aggressively. More bucking. Less engine vacuum. Worse brakes etc
It’s always hit and miss. I’ve been using speed engineering quite a bit. Affordable and available seemingly. Fitment is ok not the best. Not the worst.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars I’ve got a set of big name long tubes and y pipe I’m waiting to install on my ‘04 Yukon that I daily drive. It’s got a cam, efans, catback etc. is the hassle of the headers worth it for a small cam daily driver?
@@GulfCoastTuningandCalibration I prefer headers in stuff if you are trying to squeeze out that last little bit. Make them more resistant to detonating with a longer primary(pushes the expelled exhaust gases further from the head) But it is not a must have. The sounds is far better.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars currently running a 212/218 114lsa and not trying to go crazy becuase it is a daily but wondering if a better cam and a converter would be worth while or not.
@@GulfCoastTuningandCalibration the changes in valve events is what makes the other cams feel snappier. You won’t notice some world of a chance. But a little throttle response and it would be preppier no doubt. 114 is making a lot of its power in the higher rpm’s
@@michaelsoto8299 No problem man, I’m going to be picking one up for myself here soon as well, the truck norris cam is the best all around truck cam on the market right now, BTR did alot of testing and research to get these kinds of numbers.
@@kylekerber6217 shouldn’t be too hard. A gen 4 intake and 90mm would certainly be a worthy upgrade over the gen 3 and 78 as well. But yes. The beauty of this cam is that it makes power from the beginning to the end. I’m going to do a video soon on why having a big cam really affects under the curve. You might gain 10-20 up top over a smaller cam. But you’ll lose 20-30 down low where it counts. Gotta think how often you’ll be above 3,600 rpm. Or how long you’ll spend at 6,400 rpm. Camshaft dictates the powerband and the converter places you where you need to be dependent on the cam choice.
Awesome realistic comparison helps a lot of people including me see the practical gain of it on a low budget
Great video man,thanks for sharing your knowledge…
Al's truck is sounding good !!!!!
I’m getting this cam for a 5.3 GMC 1/2 ton extended cab. Looking forward to it!
Thanks for doing this guy's! Seems like the Norris cam does what a truck needs!!😁
Callies makes a 210/218 camshaft that is a little lower end specific than this. Obviously smaller so a little more driver Friendly. But this is absolutely tied with my first place favorite. If you are ok with and want a little more this is it! If you are leery this cam still might be too big the Callie’s is it! They both have their strong suites but awesome in full size trucks!
I've installed the truck Norris nsr in my 03 suburban with a 250k mile 5.3 . I did put a rebuilt and lightly ported heads I did on a few years ago. The heads were shaved 30 thousands and when cc'd raised the compression by one point. I have tuned it myself so far. This is also the first time using HP tuners myself. I've got the idle down pretty darn good. It definitely has more power. For a 6klb vehichle it rips.
Great to hear that man. I have an 02 suburban I'm putting the .553 lift truck norris cam in with rebuilt heads. Has 260k on the clock. Also been tuning with HP tuners myself on my SS sedan. Can't wait to hear the lil 5.3 chop like my LS3 did.
I’m putting a truck norris in my suburban as well. 3000 stall, TBSS intake, long tube headers. Thing should rip.
Great content ! Just keep doing what you do 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks brotha!
awesome video. a lot of people prefer the longer videos like15 to 20 minutes. they way you did this one was great. if you give people more content we will all watch it for sure. we dont care what you put out for videos just put out stuff and we will watch
I appreciate the feedback. We are soaking it all in!!
That’ll make Al a nice little tow rig with the extra power.
Just picked up one of these cams for my LY6 swap going into my 07 tahoe 😎👍
Cool comparison thanks
For reference. A stock lq4 puts down 290-310 rwhp after tuning
My lq4 on 35” tires put down 256/265 on a mainline dyno. Intake and exhaust only.
You've just about got me decided on this cam for my truck. I wanted something that makes good low end and doesn't require 6800 rpm for power but also has the nice cam chop everyone loves. Seems to be shaping up to be a good daily driver cam.
This is truly an awesome cam. It’s still a little big depending on who you ask. But it is the most powerful can through the curve for a heavier vehicle available in my opinion.
My advice would be over-shoot on your valve springs a bit for some head room. I got a Comp 54-700-11 about 2 months before I heard of the Norris cam. It's technically a NSR cam but I used BTR .560' with factory converter and made 312whp on 93 octane .The torque reading of 409ftlbs was def wrong in my opinion The rpm range is 1500-6300 if I remember right. Will need a tune to clean up the idle as it's asking for about 4g more of air. You can see a small pull on my channel. 5.3 4x4 single cab. EIther way good luck with the build Jay
Try using the six litter cam
And push rods etc...like to see how that goes
Thx. Plz do a truck norris cam in a 364ci stroker 5.3l with stock 243 heads, 580# beehive springs, tbss intake, cold air filter, better oil catch pcv system, and straight through exhuast.
Planning to add an sc to this combo soon and would like to know potential numbers na ahead of time. Thx
Thank you for this video, I have any 01 Silverado 5.3, I was wondering what to actually expect as far as power out of just a cam and header swap. Now I know I need gonna need a lot more to get to 500whp
If you're looking to get 500whp from that truck, then you need to either think about displacement or boost, as well as serious driveline upgrades.
Nice work hot stuff. Those OEM lifters make baby Jesus cry
The oem ones are outlasting 75% of these aftermarket’s as of lately! I’ll rock an oem high mileage non dod lifter way before a sub $320 set right now.
It’s been an aweful two years of aftermarket’s
@@NorthernPerformanceCars building my lq4 with 243 heads, sloppy stage 2 cam, long tubes,and dual 3" out. I read and read and finally decided on a Delco lifters, seen waay too many aftermarket parts self destruct last couple years, a buddy if mine went thru 3 sets of lifters clacking on his fresh built 5.8l Ford, my dad had federal mogul lifters wipe out a cam on his 289.... I went with ac Delco parts where I could on this build bc I atleast know they can be trusted.
@@erik120719 no doubt man. I have to turn away quite a bit of work because guys want to choose their own parts. I stand by my work and my name. So unless I pick out the parts. Or they choose quality stuff. That’s just the way it needs to be.
Man that's a good gain from cam and springs only🤔. I bet with a good intake and heads it would REALLY wake it up! Just sub'd 👌
Absolutely
real world testing - love it
Love the vids! I'm down in the Fenton area, how far out are you on tunes? I'd love.to take a trip north!
+1 on a dyno of the truck norris LQ9 with TBSS/NNBS 90mm LS3 TB and 706/862 heads. I'm putting my setup together next week and looking for a decent local dyno shop here in San Diego.
I like how you broke everything down in slight detail but kept the video moving. My interest now is maybe sometime do a Pro/con of your puller and install special tools for valve springs or what you have found to help make job quicker . Etc
I’ll do that this week then!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars 👆🏻this comment just made me subscribe. lol. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@imagri1 thank you sir!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars yeah no worries, that cam kit you’re sending me for free is thanks enough buddy!
Great video.
Thank you!
Perfect I was hoping that the Truck Norris cam would work good in the 4.8 and I was thinking of throwing a 2800 stall behind it which I'm thinking is also perfect with that cam. Keep up the great content!
Yes sir. An fti, yank or tci 2,800-3,000 would be super perfect behind it!
Thanks for the support man!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars yes Sir you are very welcomed
@@NorthernPerformanceCars what all did you have to change when you swapped to the Truck Norris Cam? I'm dealing with a 2006 LR4. Did you have to tune the stock ECU? Im not racing the truck, just want to give it a NA boost as this will be my hauler.
@@shadowopsairman1583 absolutely needs to be tuned.
What timing did you end up capped at with 87?
Appreciate the 87 test on this application too, nice job....
I’m doing this cam with 862 heads in my 06 Silverado with a 5.3. Also going to do a tbss intake and throttle body, trunion upgrade. Looks to be a great cam.
Nice choice with the intake manifold
As well.
Awesome
Great video and editing
Thanks man! We are still new at this but we are trying! I thought this one turned out great as well.
Thanks!
Really enjoying the various content you have done on this cam. I bought this cam for my build, using it in a lq4 with 862 heads along with the tbss intake and 92 mm tb. My build won’t be finished for a while, but have enjoyed seeing the power it makes in various engines. I would love to see a video of this cam in a 6.0. I’m thinking on 2800 rpm converter for my setup. Thinking I don’t have to go too crazy since the 6.0 has more grunt down low than a 4.8/5.3.
I’m sure I’ll have a 6.0 come around here soon! I can do that.
I daily a 3000 stall on a internally stock Dyno tuned 6.0 It’s fun. Best mod I’ve done beside the motor swap. It drives like stock untill you get on it. It’s what is called a right convertor. It’s not slipping excessively creating tons of heat most run the tru cool 40k trans cooler to help control heat if you hot rod around town. I got a circle d specialties economy converter.
@@kleenhall6885 That’s one of the converters I have been eyeballing. I just don’t want to spend crazy money on a converter. It’s kind of a budget build, but the converter is going to be the most expensive item out of the entire build. Was wanting to stay under $600.
@@dickbrugh5562 you can get a 3000 stall built from ACC (Atlantic Coasts Converters) for $310 shipped. With warranty and upgraded internals. They are out of florence SC. I am beyond satisfied with it.
minimun 3k stall for truck depends on gears
I got the truck Norris cam sitting on shelf waiting to get installed but I have 2500 stall , I need to get it installed!
That will be awesome! Get it done! You will be glad you did!
Sounds way better with the long tubes
Yessir. The manifolds with gutted cats was terrible lol
Love the videos, keep them coming. They’re very informative. Question and sorry if I missed it in another one of your videos, but can you give me a recommendation on a torque converter and gears for a 4.8 L LS motor with the same cam, truck, Norris. I have a RCSB project my son and I are working on. Thanks again.
If it’s a for fun 2wd truck. I’d do a 3,600 stall. Depending on tire size for the gear.
For a 28-29” I’d do a 4.10. For a 30-32” I’d do a 4.56 for sure.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars thanks for the follow up. I should have given you more info. It is 2wd, tire size is 265/40-22, and I forgot to mention I was looking for a streetable daily driver. Thanks again for the follow up. I do a appreciate it.
Just ordered the Truck Norris for my 03 Silverado 4.8L
I got one for my 6.0 Silverado HD 2500...I'm curious to see how it pulls
How it go ? Same year nd motor on mines wanna see how it went ?
Hi there..I am in the middle of swapping a 5.7 LS1 ('98) ..into a 93 Gen 1 Single cab S10..(about 2800 lbs ) It is intended to be a 750 vac sec Holley carbureted, Edelbrock dual plane RPM equipted SNAPPY cruizer.. long tube 1 3/4 ceramic quoted headers . I live in the Cayman Islands; most of the time will be spent cruising at between 40 and 60 mph..The heads will be either mildly ported stock 241s , or 706s, with dual 2.5 exhaust/free flowing turbo type mufflers. Transmission will be either the matching 4L70E with stand alone control, or a T400. Thinking 2500 stall, if T400..or 2800-3000 with lockup converter with 4L60E. Rpm wont go over 6000..😉 Rear gear will be between 3.23 and 3.73, depending on trans.
Compression should be right around 10.5 or so, with either the 706 or shaved 241 heads..
Tell me Doc..What is your cam suggestion.. ? (I DONT need to "hear" a big "chop"..but want lots of low end grunt between 1500 and 5000.)
I really like the published specs/characteristics of the 3 cams mentioned, BTR TNorris, Callies, CamMotion Lil Chopper. What would be your pick?
P.S I will use nitrous 150-200 shot when I want to fire things up a little..😅
P.P.S. Tire diameter 27-28 inches..
I would run a btr “stage 3 Ls1/ls2 specific cam. Or a tick performance torque 2 camshaft.
With a 3,600 or better converter.
Let me know if you guys want a truck to mess with I’m just down state I’ll drop my Sierra off 😅. Don’t worry it’s only been in state for a few months it’s not rusty lol. Good video, seriously. I have always wanted to see the summit truck cams dyno’d and compared.
Haha I can appreciate the no rust thing!
Which you think about the little chopper cam, Duration at .050: 222/232
108 Lobe Center Angle with a 105 Intake Centerline
Lift with 1.7 Rocker Arm Ratio: .595"/.587" with tbss intake, 243 cnc/ milled .30 and 1-7/8 headers and upgrade valve train and 3600 circle d stall!!
That is an awesome camshaft for sure. That should rip really well with the head work you have done. That’ll be an awesome combo
@@NorthernPerformanceCars appreciate your input!!
On 93 w ported 862 heads a ported tbss manifold what numbers would you expect out of it w a 4 inch cold air intake ?
i used a TSP stage 3 truck cam in a LS1 build for an Autocros car
Then this CAM comes out that's better.
Well I guess that's how it works.
Btr actually offers a really awesome camshaft designed for autocross. Very stable high rpm lobes.
im truck shopping and have settled on wanting a 05/06 5 speed 4.8 for general driving and light to moderate hauling for things like camping and offroading and I think this is the boomstick that's going to go into it when i get to the point of modifications. It sounds good and a bit lopey without being obnoxious, plus it has a pretty rad name on the tin.
Since i will have no worries of a convertor (and have a local clutch expert if i need one of those) this cam seems like a great fit, perhaps bringing mpg's up under load?
I really can't wait to dive into LS stuff and a cam seems like the absolute best way to do that after catching up on maintenance.
how should i go about tuning? holley seems super easy to get started with and has a solid wealth of support behind it but has a price tag to match, how does it stack up to the more budget-friendly hptuners and the stock setup as far as learning curve? I have decent experience with turbo 4 bangers and megasquirt, but it took me all of 4 years to learn that language and establish a completely turnkey car. How different are the associated softwares?
I would be street tuning by myself, as i have no access to a dyno and would likely rely on a base ignition map. Maybe virtual dyno if I decide to chase numbers but I'm not looking for bleeding edge power out of a truck right away, it's just utility for the forseeable future.
87 is generally unfeasible in the F/I world, how safe is it with just a cam? what about after an intake/exhaust? Can I end up running into detonation issues pushing that much more air?
The 4.8 5 speed is a good combo, go for it. And this cam is a very good one for any of the ls truck motors. Watch some of Richard holders dyno tests with this cam in a bunch of ls’s. I had a 4.8 5 speed single cab short bed and I wish I hadn’t ever sold it. It was pretty much stock with a 6” lift. For tuning, there’s a ton of options, Diablo sport is one of my favorites but a bunch of people do good tuning for ls stuff. I would also recommend a trailblazer ss intake, you’ll get another 20+ ft lbs of torque out of the cam.
Gonna do a swap on my benz this cam is gonna make my 5.3l come alive
Make sure you do a 3,200 stall with the stage 4 for sure.
Maybe a stage 4 cam not to sure
Can you do a video of the Idle after it's up to operating temperature?
I have quite a few other videos of the. Posted. One specifically of a white truck just idling.
Would you recommend this cam for a trailblazer Ss?
Just when it seemed like camshaft technology had peaked for these engines... I almost wish they would do a version for 6.0L
Ive put a handful of these in lq4/s already. The people love them. So much more torque.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars - I am on my 2nd cam in my truck. About to do a 3rd and finally ditch the 317s. Trying to go faster without killing the useful aspect of it being a truck.
@@bluecollarhotrods9781 I’m right there with you. I’ve mentioned it a few times. I worked with Callie’s a couple years back and they whipped up a 210/218 .552/.552 108lsa. It’s been my favorite full size work truck cam.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars - I started with a TPIS ZL10 - basically a TBSS cam on a tighter LSA. Currently an EPS 214/220 .598"/.605" 111+3. This is in an LQ4/80E swapped 01 RCSB, stock converter, 4.10s, FBO. I have two options: Summit 8720 and AI rebuilt 799s milled to 63cc, or a 224/232 and PRC STG 2.5 862/706 milled to 58cc. Either top end with get a FAST LSXRT in place of the current TBSS. I have two converters as well, one 3000 and a 3600. I've been collecting parts when I find good deals... "plans changed" on marketplace. Most of this stuff is brand new and in inventory.
Dude you need to get your camera on the dyno
What part numbers you guys use for this project
What do you get to dyno tune? I have the same truck?
really need to see someone do one of these cams with a fast lsxrt with the 102mm throttle body I have a feeling the stock intake manifold is choking the cam out pretty good and I'm betting possibly 20-30 horses at the wheels and I imagine being able to let it rev up too 6500+ would work wonders in a 4.8 but that's just my theory
It certainly would make a bunch more top end. Lost quite a bit under the curve with the shorter runner.
A Tbss/gen 4 intake would be worth a good amount. Everywhere in itself.
In a 6.2 truck the cam flatlines at 6, and holds a flat line to 6200, by 6400 it was on a steady decline.
@@Slik-rik87 thing is though small displacement motors especially the 4.8 make all their power at way higher rpms than a 6.2 does
@@chrishansen7004 oh no doubt, I just feel like this cam is more based on a true truck cam that maintains torque and horsepower where a truck would use it. I ran a Texas speed stage 3 truck cam in a 4.8, it maintained the gains all the way to 7200 before it fell off.
Yes buddy I want the Norris cam for my l33 5.3 but I'd live to see more testing or wanna know if there is a better option for a mostly stock truck 05 extended cab 4l60e gonna do cam and headers w exhaust and a tune
I posted a few videos of the cam in a 5.3 in my red truck.
This is one of the two best cams for a close to stock truck.
This Norris cam and Callie’s 210/218
How do you think a 228r would run in a 4.8?
You can take the cam out without pulling the whole motor out ?
Yessir
Installing this cam in a ls swap blazer with electric fans, built trans with 3k stall converter with exhaust and cold air intake. What kind of number you think I could roughly pull out of it?
What cubic inch engine, cylinder heads, intake and exhaust specifically.
I'm sure it's bigger, otherwise how does that compare to the callies cam you used to recommend for trucks?
This is rather larger. Will carry power higher. Not lose a ton down low.
Not as good as a towing cam specifically but probably worth 10hp and torque across the curve.
I have to ask, do you think the BTR cam is worth the cost? Their stuff is like $100+ more than some of the competition. I'd have to imagine there's a noticeable step up in quality for that price difference.
First and foremost. Always consider the actual cam core and cost of goods that are started with.
Not all metals/materials are equal.
Common place there are 3+ can cores offered.
You should check out Texas speed chupacabra cam it’s very similar to this cam.
About to put a ls2 in a 2wd obs truck, long tubes, 4L80, 3000 stall, 3.42 gears 28" tire. Would you suggest this cam?
It would be a nice addition.
If it were mine. I’d go a little larger camshaft.
Something like a tick torque max ls2 cam.
You would think BTR would know better than to put OHC (over head cam) instructions in the box ;)
Hahaha no kidding!
lol..😅
I have this cam to go in the 4.8 that I’m dropping in my 66 Nova wagon. It’ll be backed by a stock powerglide and a 25” tall tire. Do you think a 2500ish stall would be needed? Thanks
You wouldn’t have to. But it would add to the driving experience.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars i see btr have two different truck norris cams profiles
"Truck Norris" Camshaft Specs: 212/22X, .552/.552, 107 LSA and 224/230 481/481 109 lsa which one would be a better choice for 1988 s10 blazer 2wd gen 4 5.3 with th350 3.73 gesrs thx
Im blocking all my friends who already knew about your channel...'when people show you who they are, believe them'😂😂😂
Haha they were holding out on your?
I think so 😔😔, we love the channels who are anti-fluff!!! Pure information,no gimmicks..flat out good content.
@@2muchspl thanks man! You sound like my kind of people!
How “choppy” can the truck Norris get I’m tried searching for videos but can’t really find any
I posted a follow up to this video. At the end of the follow up video there is a close up.
Matter if fact I just finished a 5.3 this evening. I’ll post a video of it.
How do you think this camshaft will do with a 100 shot ? I’m thinking about getting them camshaft, w a tbss intake as well
It would do awesome! I have a saying, we’ll kind of. 150 shot or nothing!
By the time you pull timing and do all of that work. The 100 shot is barely scratching the surface.
Pull 5-6 degrees to start. One step colder plug and get the jetting correct.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars haha true, I’ll do that appreciate it, I was debating about this camshaft, but this just shows why I should get it lol. Thank you love the content
Great video! I’d really like to do this cam/long tubes with my 06 2500 6.0L. What head would be a better choice if you don’t mind me asking? I need low end torque for towing.
I’d throw a 243 cylinder head on there. It’d raise compression a decent bit. Around .9:1. The compression jump would make power from idle all the way to redline
Would be great overall.
706/862... low rpm torque production kings!
@@NorthernPerformanceCars So you have that tuned on 87 octane would that retain stock mpgs or even improve them and what about 89 octane and even premium not like I care much but for some reason it was on my mind and how much hp/torque gains would there be from higher octane
@@calebgross3632 15-20 hp is common when fuel is the limiting factor. Normally 3-4 degrees of ignition timing difference.
Just cam slap the thing or do you need to do lifter trays lifters pushrods rebuild heads new rockers etc... ? thanks
All it needs is a cam and valve springs. Everything else in stock form is fine.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars you’re the man 🔧
Sloppy stage 1 vs the truck norris what’s your feedback on these as comparison
Likely that cam would make 5 more peak horsepower being it has a few more degrees intake and exhaust. 114lsa would carry the powerband fired her.. But it would have a much worse powerband. I’d assumed 30 less torque at 2,000. 15-20 less torque from 3,000 to 4,500.
That’s where the truck Norris shines. It’s the most snappy and powerful aftermarket can from 1,500-5,000 I’ve seen. Then runs with the best of them to wherever the intake plateaus.
So do I really need another converter for my 09 avalanche with the same cam
Which converter do you have?
What muffler is on it?
If you put this in a stock 6.0 with tbss intake what heads would you recommend ? Has 317s thinking about going 862
I bought this cam kit to go on my lq4 6.0 with headers and a tbss intake as well. I went with 706 cathedral port heads as they raise the compression ratio gaining power along with the slightly smaller intake valve increases port velocity also gaining power. I haven't installed it yet but from everything I've seen and read, this should be a badass combo. 😎
I’d like a 243/799
Shit I was looking at the stage 1 V2 truck cam for my 08 4.8L single cab now I may just consider this! I’m looking to add a converter and 3.90s or 4.10s. Unfortunately my little single cab is a one wheel peel 😂. Do you think this cam would bleed off too much for boost with the LSA @107?
Oh yea. This thing is awesome in that truck. It would be that much better with the gear and any converter.
You called it. I wouldn’t choose to boost it with so many excellent cams designed for it. This is what it is as an aggressive mild n/a camshaft.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars Sweet that extra mid range power and strong top end goodness this thing is right up my alley. I’m also running a 29.5-30” tire. I’m a part of the ditch the heavy wheels crew ever since I had heavy ass 22s I’ll never go back to em.
@@lukemorgan3368 yea the mid range is really what sets this cam apart.
what valve spring compressor are you using?
That is comp cams dual spring compressor.
Huh, what did he say?
Could we see a video of throttle response off of idle?
I could probably do that. Although I did include a driving video with this cam in my 5.3 and stock torque converter. But I dont mind. I can put a little follow up video together. Just didnt want to wear out the topic.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars no such thing as too much content on a new cam! I put the truck Norris cam into the 5.3 that’s going into my crawler Tacoma, little nervous about it being too much cam and won’t find out til it’s all built and rolling again lol. Still gonna send it though, always wanted a choppy Taco.
@@nickramsay2560 you are right there my man! Everyone keeps telling me to post more. Just didn’t want to be annoying or lame.
It’s definitely a little chunky. But you can tame it down with timing from jumping around also. Take some of the “chop” out of it. If need be
Do a 228R cam on a 4.8 please
Yo you found anything on the 228r in a 4.8?
Awesome video brotha you’re getttin the channel dialed in nicely ! Do you prefer to swap the cam while the engine is still in the vehicle or pull it ? Keep up the badass work !
For something like this. It is far faster inside.
Even when I do dod deletes I still leave them in the vehicle.
Gen 5 stuff is questionable. Oil pumps are questionable.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars right on I appreciate it ! Got my truck Norris for my 05 just trying to figure out best way to install
I just installed this cam in my 2004 rcsb silverado with the 4.8. Ever since I’ve gotten it done, and tuned I should add, my abs and brake light is coming on, sometimes stays, and sometimes goes on and off randomly. Any ideas?
It's common to be the module or wheel speed sensors but most of CZcams videos show abs module
@@jotterson1156 it was my radio interface harness. Weird I know
@@trevormiller09 oh? Mine does the same..how did you figure that out
How would the truck norris hold with a turbo? Never saw that
It wouldn’t be my first choice having the separation angle at 107. But it would work
Where are you guys out of?
Gaylord Michigan
How does this cam react to ported heads and maybe some true duals
It had dual x piped system on my red truck a few videos back. it ran awesome. The heads will help everything!
So I can get away with ls6/7 springs
@@kevincranford8242 the cam is .552 lift. So yes. Ls6 springs would work. Ls3 will work. Btr sells a new set of sp011’s that are the perfect pair for them. Comp sells a few different .560-.600 lift single springs that use the stock retainer.
What valve spring compressor is that??
That is comp cams dual spring compressor.
would you recommend this over the torque cam 202/202
Torque cam would drive and tune much easier.
This is a much larger camshaft. So make more power. But drive more aggressively. More bucking. Less engine vacuum. Worse brakes etc
What long tube headers and y pipe do you guys like to use on these trucks?
It’s always hit and miss. I’ve been using speed engineering quite a bit. Affordable and available seemingly. Fitment is ok not the best. Not the worst.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars I’ve got a set of big name long tubes and y pipe I’m waiting to install on my ‘04 Yukon that I daily drive. It’s got a cam, efans, catback etc. is the hassle of the headers worth it for a small cam daily driver?
@@GulfCoastTuningandCalibration I prefer headers in stuff if you are trying to squeeze out that last little bit. Make them more resistant to detonating with a longer primary(pushes the expelled exhaust gases further from the head)
But it is not a must have.
The sounds is far better.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars currently running a 212/218 114lsa and not trying to go crazy becuase it is a daily but wondering if a better cam and a converter would be worth while or not.
@@GulfCoastTuningandCalibration the changes in valve events is what makes the other cams feel snappier.
You won’t notice some world of a chance. But a little throttle response and it would be preppier no doubt.
114 is making a lot of its power in the higher rpm’s
Have to get a microphone or a better one. Had to turn volume way up to hear you..then way down during pulls. 👍
Sorry about that! We were still practicing. We are trying to improve on every video that we release
I have a 5.3 Chevy Silverado 2013 what cam do you recommend I also pull a RV as well
BTR Truck Norris it made more torque than BTR’s torque cam.
Thanks for the response and your help
@@michaelsoto8299 No problem man, I’m going to be picking one up for myself here soon as well, the truck norris cam is the best all around truck cam on the market right now, BTR did alot of testing and research to get these kinds of numbers.
How’s it feel over stock in the 4.8
It is really a massive change. Feels excellent.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars I’m waiting on my 2003 4.8 to come back lol excited to drive it
Can this cam be ran with the stock converter?
Absolutely. It is in this video.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars thank you!
@@richardlewellen2641 no problem man!
Liked the video, but the music! UGH.
Sorry! Trying to break it up a bit and pick and choose. Noted though. Thanks for the feedback.
What year is that truck??
I believe it was a 2002
@@NorthernPerformanceCars ive got an 04 rcsb. I'm torn between this cam and the tsp stage 3 high lift
@@kylekerber6217 you’d want a rather high stall converter with that camshaft for sure.
@@NorthernPerformanceCars i think you just sold me on truck norris then!. Planning on doing long tubes and head work. Hoping for 325-350 whp
@@kylekerber6217 shouldn’t be too hard. A gen 4 intake and 90mm would certainly be a worthy upgrade over the gen 3 and 78 as well.
But yes. The beauty of this cam is that it makes power from the beginning to the end. I’m going to do a video soon on why having a big cam really affects under the curve. You might gain 10-20 up top over a smaller cam. But you’ll lose 20-30 down low where it counts.
Gotta think how often you’ll be above 3,600 rpm. Or how long you’ll spend at 6,400 rpm.
Camshaft dictates the powerband and the converter places you where you need to be dependent on the cam choice.
Nice truck needs a new driver tho that trans doesnt like you 😂
sup G hope you dont mind me asking what size tire you rnning and rim? and is that stock ride height? thanks G
a mechanic that thinks gaskets don't leak, alright then. 3:50 if they don't leak why tf do they get replaced lol