The Clapper
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- We are fabricating a clapper head for a customers shaper that is missing one. We are using our smaller Milwaukee 10 inch shaper’s clapper as a sample to build. Part one the scope of the project and the how to set up shaper for working on square block.
Thanks Keith memories as a 4rd year apprentice I had shaper job 6 agitator couplings 1"bore 3/16" keyway blind hole with a small under cut in stainless stoned hss tool used, not cleaning swarf often enough I put 1 on the floor lol. Great to hear you Mom is making progress. p.s. just been on 8 months holiday/long service it going to be hard going back to work! Dibbo.
Sorry Keith, going to watch this again. I was too distracted by the tennis player showing her clapper... 😉
So was I !!
You mean snapper.
So was i😀 wonder how long until it’s flagged as not advertising friendly? Yt is gone to shit nowadays
Glad he finally moved the camera. Lol
2013 tennis calendar... Not that I was paying attention
The shaper was the first machine I learned to use in shop class back in the 1950s. No one else wanted to even learn to use a shaper, they were all hot to get on the lathe. I made a nice little hammer head with the shaper, then got to learn to knurl on the lathe to make the handle. I still have a soft spot for the shaper.
I have never seen a small shaper like this. She is a beauty ! Between You, Abom and Steve Summers you are all bringing these back to life doing what they were supposed to. Thanks a bunch fella ! Onward my friend.
Stefan Gottsweinter had a 200mm little toolmakers shaper... It had a aux clapper that let him cut on the reverse stroke, also.
Don't forget Lyle Peterson in that list. What that one gives up in chip size, it more than makes up for in sheer cuteness.
@Captain MufDyven They can do soooo much more than that. Thanks for coming by.
I love the fact that the belt is visible at all times. :)
Awesome little shaper, love these machines, they are so "alien" to what's for us younger people "standard". I've been watching some old US declassified footage on machine operations (training and the like), some documentaries from the big factories, soooo many, many machines like this one exist, it's just the tip of the iceberg.
I just found out that there's a type of lathe that's vertical, and all the motor, drive, gearbox etc is buried in the ground. My mind was blown, and now, i want one. :)
Hello Keith , great to see an old machine still doing it’s job ! Thanks for the explanation.
Have waited a long time to see this girl back in action. It was well worth the wait too.
Yes Tom, she's in great shape. I'd sure like to get my hands on one as tidy as that. Oh, sorry - I thought you were talking about the machine!
Keith - those Knipex tools are awesome!
Hi again from England Mr. Fenner...
I have only watched a few moments of this as I need the time to digest what's being said and demonstrated...
But the minute I heard "1908 shaper" I gets excited...
That's it and when I've done with a few jobs tomorrow I'll be able to sit & watch properly...
I just wonder, how many parts and objects, how many machinists, and how much history that machine has seen in it's lifetime.
I've done a lot of BIG stuff on my 8" Boxford shaper. That job i would have removed the vice and bolted direct to the table, either off the side or on the top. Gotta love the shaper. Regards from NE Thailand.
Great video of a Great old machine. I love watching a shaper work.
I like your explanation of this, thanks very much. Some other presenters are more into the cut than the setup, and you help round it out.
I'm really enjoying the sound of ductile iron taking the cuts!
I for one approve of this customer clapper cloning caper.
I've always wanted an Atlas but, after seeing this I want a Milwaukee just big enough to fit in my shop. Great video!!
Always love the sound of the Clapper on a shaper.
Love the design of that Milwaukee shaper with a clear way thru' under the ram so you could work splines say on the middle of a long shaft.
WOW, a cute little shaper! I be willing to bet she could take at least a 3/32” cut. Just an impressive little machine!
As always a nice video Keith, Like a lot of machinery shaper;s are about outdated even though there are many jobs can be accomplished with one,I own outdated machines also and love every minute I work with one
Im convinced that the appeal of shapers is similar to the appeal for steam locomotives.
Tell that to Adam Booth, that machine can chonk some metal.
The never ending appeal of that smooth back and forth motion!
Yes sir!
@@aserta same with steam locomotives also, low speed but lots of torque. I have a shaper also, not hating them
Informative, detailed, concise. Thank you.
Keith, great video thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
Excellent, as always!!!!!!!!
Brilliantly simple design inside that machine. I think I need a little shaper like that. Maybe replace the surface grinder that just sits.
Very nice illustration of what I think is called a "Crank & Slotted lever fast return mechanism".
Straight line motion is satisfying, good shaper demo.
Keith- Just thought I would mention that your shaper tooldolder is backwards. I advised Adam Booth the same thing when he first started using his shaper. You want the tip of the tool behind the mounting
surface of the clapper. That way, is the tool digs in, it swings away from the pressure, not digs in more.
Yeah I don't see it that way, if there was no holder and I used a solid bit it would be ahead of the mounting surface. ;{)-----
@@KeithFenner A few old texts mention this as as well.
Shapers are OK but that would have been much easier on the K&T, you must be using the shaper for the fun of it on this one. Great video as always Keith, thank you.
Good video. And a good teacher
And a good poster
I love the psych with the belt :D
41:20 I can’t help but be reminded of a cat watching a light on the wall. Lol
Hi Mr. Fenner...
That Shaper is the equivalent of the ALBA 1a you come across a bit here in England...
175 Dollars was a win for a lovely little vintage machine like that...people like em and they're getting a bit thin on the ground now...
I nearly got an early 1a a few months back....
He wanted £250 for it and that was a reasonable price...
The shaper you have here wouldn't be 175 Dollars now I'm sure...👍
Hey dude, you know a lot of boat owners I'm sure someone needs an ANCHOR !
The Tennis Player Picture on your wall -- made my lower unit quiver .
P.S. The video was good also .
Adam and Steve, hold on to your hats! Now you have BIG competition!
LOL! ;{)--------
Have you seen the monster that Jason at Fireball Tool got? 48" I think?
Shaper. Haven't used one of those since h.s. They're not used by anyone too much anymore. Sure not like a wood Shaper which are still in common use. I think his tool placement is incorrect. I was always taught to position the tool > 90 deg to the surface you're generating so that the cutting forces tend to push the tool out away from the surface. If the angle were < 90 it would be forced further into the surface, thus increasing the cut depth.
Beautiful work otherwise.
Nice shaper. Not to big not to small ! Would love to find one like it .
Чудный строгальник. Мечта. Лайк как всегда.
Thank You! ;{)-------
@@KeithFenner Пожалуйста.
Notice the belt in the cardboard box, seems to move around with the camera, i guess thats how it is when your #1 get er done.
Thanks for the video.
Nice!!!! ( Finally learn to set up a shaper!!! )
I work in a cabinet shop and have very similar décor : )
Didn'y realize you were so into tennis Keith.
Since 1976. ;{)------
@@KeithFenner I knew it was pretty old. I remember it hanging in my neighbor's bedroom when I was a kid in the early 80s.
Interesting story behind that poster. Now, her age is around 62 y.o. I never tire of reminiscing.
Muito bom amigo!!!Excelente vídeo!!!aprendo muito com seus trabalhos!!!Parabéns amigo!!!Like!!!Obrigado!
Cheers! ;{)-------
Obrigado amigo!!!Felicidades pará vocé também!!! ;)@@KeithFenner
The model's name is Fiona Walker.
Photo taken in 1977 by Martin Elliott close to Edgbaston, UK.
I like that.
YEPPER'S THAT IS ONE FINE CLAPPER....
OH, THE MACHINE IS NICE TOO..
They both beat Jack Webb's Copper Clapper Caper.
We've got an airplane hanging over our shaper.My wife told me if I wanted a machine shop I had to hang up my airplane so I hung it from the ceiling of my machine shop. Check out my video and see.
great video ,thanks..
"The only thing you can't make with a Shaper is profit." - This Old Tony
Keith nice work, nice tennis player.
Nice Video
Watching in Alabama!
@@joeylawn36111 36620. North Alabama
It's cute, what's next - a mini lathe?
On my computer the title for the video is right over the top of the tennis poster. I just about spit coffee all over the place! LOL
Nice little shaper. Id shorten the tool and not so much angle on it , and bump the stroke speed up. Shapers cut better at higher stroke speed. I could hear the chatter at the end of the video. Probably because of the tool sticking out so far.
Yep, those are all things that are already thought of and added to part two of the project. Thanks for the comment, of standard go to's when whoremonics start! LOL ;{)------
I have an idea, on the knee of the shaper can you machine some parrallel spacers that would sit on two 📌 to hold it from scooting around. That way you would not have to remake the support 🔩 , just add or remove the spacers as needed
Nice ,Keith
If anybody is interested, search for "Whitworth Quick Return Mechanism" if you want to know more about how a shaper works.
Weld some bronze to the head of the table support jack bolt too help it slide easy?
Im like , thanks sir !
24:03 great camera alignment
$ 175.00? nice buy.
That shaper is such a little cutie compared to Abom79's shaper.
Kieth I am parting out a Cincinnati shaper. if you run across some one who needs parts, I have some available.
Pretty tennis player.
I have a 10 inch Elliot which I like to use and I was keen on (the Master) Keith showing us his use of it, but what happened to The Clapper Part Three.
9” of stoke is good. 👍
I'm sorry Keith what was that I was admiri g your poster throughout lol
With my cast iron table saw, I use Boeshield T-9 to normally store it and then Johnsons paste wax on it when I am using it. When I first got the machine I did not know how to care for it and it flash rusted a few times and discolored it. Anyhow, would the paste work hurt anything if you used it for the surfaces of your machines? Would it have adverse effects on any of the materials or interact poorly with the lubricating oils or anything else?
It would work as well as the oils I have coated it with since 1994 when I refinished her. ;{)------
17:03, I was already contemplating my stroke setup, but realized the camera was just a little low with a little too much glare
I'm going to start watching tennis....damn
There was a lady when I was in Vietnam, known as the Clapper.
Can you explained how make spray GRC appareil
Not sure what you asking. ;{)------
i just dont understand the interest in shapers today. i had a 8 inch logan for over 30 yrs and had very little use for it . i sold it to make room for a second lathe that i get a lot of use out of i dont see the interest in tennis players either , but like shapers they have a following..
Thats okay. ;{)------
lol, 36:45, now we know what sound they used for the tardis on doctor who...
Cant beat the shaper for an entertaining video, lol.
lol, they defenitely come into thier own in a job shop, I use mine all the time and is honestly the work horse of the shop vs the mill because it gets used alot more. Im not really that big of a fan of adam's shaper videos tbh, if you want shaper guys, I would look at steve summers, shaper andi, rustinox, or james killroy.
Fair size shaper in my vo tech class in 73
Excellent Video Keith . Cheers ;{)-------
I'm curious; why would you not do this in the K&T or Bridgeport with a face mill or fly cutter? Seems like the operation would go a lot faster.
exercise. ;{)-------
Interesting machine, but does it offer an advantage over a Bridgeport with a shell mill in it? I would imagine the surface finish to be smoother with a mill.
It's all about using machines that were the state of the art before the spindle mills and planers. Basics of machining! ;{)------
@@KeithFenner Ok, that makes sense. I just finished my Bridgeport project for my son this week. Its pinewood derby season! I do understand that some projects are for the academics. Keep it up, I love your videos.
Is the original machined steel or cast iron? I know it's not really your style, but I have been having good results 3D printing patterns then sending them off to a foundry.
Current project is some lathe steadies: 6 castings came in at £160: photos.app.goo.gl/UkQsohe9hJVAVwG76 I am curious how that compares to the cost of machining from solid?
KNIPEX
I like tennis
What benefit does a shaper have over a mill, or a mill over a shaper?
More of the relationship of history, shaper before spindle mills. ;{)------
i still don't know what a clapper is ... there was too much chatter
Why no oil on the cutting tool?
Cast iron has enough within, and oil carries the dust to ways. ;{)------
24:06 tennis wOw ;)
czcams.com/video/bq-7FZnaXi4/video.html
czcams.com/video/8trsFzeQC-c/video.html There you go, no need to argue about it anymore just point them to how the own company says their name and I'd say that's good enough =D
You mean you can't rough that out on the plasma-CAM? LOL
HAH! Show them crazy Canadians how it's done!
Either you were talking a lot faster than it sounded, or your watch has stopped.
Abom's is bigger
G'Day Keith,,mate disagree with your tool strategy,after driving many different brands and size shapers,i always have the shortest tool over hang possible,takes out all the tool spring,
and grind tool to do so,most time a standard tool grind for a left hand roughing tool is all that is required,and finish cuts ,lite cuts with increase radi,and slower feed,
Yep. ;{)------
😭 chatter... Cut! Square that away on the next video...lol
Lol his clapper is loose side to side from ware lolz
So you're a tennis buff?
I think the buff is in the behind which is pretty buff if I don't say so!
Hey Keith, look, that girl isn't sporting any under pants (the first 4 min)
But the vice is not A-bomb tight
lots of "um"s in describing stuff when that poster is in view lolll
Since Abom did shaper videos it seems that everybody now does shaper videos.
You hadn't looked back in my near 700 videos, to see the first run of this one! LOL ;{)------