The Clapper Part Two
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- We are fabricating a clapper head for a customers shaper that is missing one. We are using our smaller Milwaukee 10 inch shaper’s clapper as a sample to build. Part Two, we adjust tool bits and speed setting to pick up the performance of cut, while we shape the block of cast iron to width. ;{)-------
I found one of these machines in an abandoned warehouse very close to my home. Told a good friend of mine, now passed, who refurb'd it and then used it and taught me all the whys and tip, tricks and no-nos...TY Frank Wrestler, you are missed.
Watching you run the old shaper reminds me of the machine shop that we had where I was employed for about 46 years. My division wasn't the shop, mine was the power plant, boilers, turbines, water treating, steam fitters and everything relating to them. However, I used to spend a lot of time in the shop as one of my good friends was foreman of it. I now wish that I had taken pictures of the original setup.
The shop was pretty much able to do everything. They had a large blacksmith shop, boiler shop, car shop, various lathes, mills, shapers, plainer, welding shop, surface grinder, steam hammers, bolt header, press for removing and replacing car wheels and did all of their locomotive work. The plainer was used to machine the carriage rails for the mill. As I remember they were about 35 to 40 feet long. they had a hole in he building wall so the rails could extend out as they worked on them. I remember the old machinist who ran the shaper. He had a special stool that he used and I swear that he used to sleep as he was making a big cut and would wake up as it finished.
Great memories, just wish that I had recorded it as it is pretty much history now, never to return.
Keith, great video thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
Love them videos.. It's good to come back every once in a while
Watched the whole video and couldn't take my eyes off the tennis player. Have to watch again.
I've really missed my Fenner uploads. This has been awesome this week
I hope I'm working as well as your shaper when I'm 111! Beautiful machine, and great to see it being used rather than mouldering in some museum. Great video Keith!
Good to see the shaper running again after a bit of time off. Going back to catch up on what I missed. All the very best Keith. PS making great use of my new tools and am thankful every time I go to the box to reach in for something and a little bit of that glitter comes out 😃👍👍
I always enjoy watching a shaper working. I wish I had room for one. Thanks for all the videos.
The little shaper that could. Love it. My first experience on one was in HS made an anvil out of a piece of rail road track still my favoret machine
G'day Keith. Many thanks for this series on the shaper. I have an Elliot 10.5 inch that I haven't used yet, so it's great to get some idea of what it might be capable of. And going by your videos, it'll be capable of a lot more than I imagined!
A big thanks also for your videos on heat straightening. They enabled me to straighten a square that wasn't square after welding. I was very pleased to be able to do it!
I was watching some cretin butchering the renovation of a jewellers lathe wondering how he still has any fingers left and sticking pins in my eyes with boredom. Then the notification of clapper part two came up and saved my sanity.
The difference in skill level was night and day!
Thanks for the lifesaver.
The shaper is mesmerizing.
I like the sound of the shaper.
Got a 2fer today. An old shaper stroking and a young shapely scratching.
I like the size of your shaper for a home shop. It's not too large, it's not too small, it's JUST RIGHT! I love shaper work. The slo-mo was great. We had a BIG Cincinnati in our High School Machine Shop, back in the '60s, and I used it a lot, along with a Warner-Swasey Turret Lathe. I used the W-S because no one else would, and I could always get a lathe when I needed it. The mills were always busy so I would use the Shaper. Thoroughly enjoyed the video.
@jacktheripped Yep. My first year instructor, Jackie Jackson, was a great teacher and he would take more interest in what you were doing if you used the machines no one else was using. My 2nd year instructor was a newby to teaching. He was technically proficient, but was not a "TEACHER"
@jacktheripped So sad that the full Machine Shops Classes have been disbanded and sold off. We do not teach our children to survive in this world, only how to go onto the government dole paid for by the taxpayers.
@jacktheripped The apprentice program has taught many a good man a trade with which they can make a very good living. There will always be a need for craftsmen who: can make the good water flow in, and the bad water flow out; the electrons flow for lighting, heating and cooling; and who can take a piece of metal stock and make the parts that theoretical engineers design and need turned into real metal parts.
One is a shaper tool and the other is a shapley tool... both usefull when you need one..(:! Its all good!
Great info! That's also the best poster ever.
Loving the shaper work! I guess Abom's work got you motivated lololol.
CZcams Shaper Renaissance, Adam, Jason, Keith, Steve. Something magic about turning back the clock watching these old machines. Maybe some metal planers next?
Great Stuff, Thanks
Excellent explanation about the reason for keeping as much material as possible behind the cutting edge (minimum relief ). I have no idea why an interrupted cuts changes things up in regard to cutting edge strength but if you say it I believe it.
One of my favorite machines to watch in use.. Awesome video... 👉👍
Good to see you back.
Very nice videos a lot learned about tool shaping, thanks for sharing.
Just plain love hat sound. Many memories attached to it.
Not a huge shaper but it still "Gets it Done"!
That final shot! Good stuff Keith!
Keith, nice snapper next to the clapper.
I like that picture in the background!
Nice video. Wish list is a small shaper in the near future. Keep up the awesome work.
Watching in Alabama!
Great job on clapper, I noticed you are deep into tennis me to.
That old machine is working hard and grunting but doing good! Too bad the machines they make today will never be around as long as this one!
very interesting demonstration, If i find one for $175 I'll call it mine. Thanks again you always show some intresting stuff.
Love the video Keith. Makes me want to play tennis..LOL.
Hi again Mr. Fenner
I don't know if you were letting her off the reigns there but she liked it...
High milage clappers:
Experienced
Sense of humor, don’t forget it!
great video, thanks .
I think you nailed it. Now that's the sound you want to hear.!! Have you seen the price rise
of shapers on Ebay lately Does that tell you all something that history repeats itself !!!!!!
@jacktheripped I forgot to mention Steve Summer;s good vidios too
As Keith Pomotes ~~ When You Have An Itch; Scratch It!
very good work...best art mechanic
You have the best shop posters Keith
Just watchin you scratch at the end was worth watchin the works.
Keith, your calendar girl looked a lot better doing that. HaHa
Man, you make it look so easy and its far from that. That little shaper is a beauty and you sure have her singing a very sweet tune. Well done you. I would just love to have a real closer look at that tooling. I've just rebuilt a 1954 Invicta M6 shaper and she's not just singing as she should. I'm battling chatter and a bad cut. Just can't get it working right. Its so fustrating. I guess I need to study a little more on tool material & set up. Thanks for a great channel. Greetings from Ireland.
"Strokin' on our Clapper"!!
Somehow, the tennis lady looks better with the butt-scratch! Interesting how shaper-fever has taken over YT machining... your 'little' one seems to like hogging just fine.
Keith even did a re-enactment at the end!
@@Jedda73 .....you mean --- at His end !! Lol
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That poster goes along with that "70's" tool...
@@petemclinc Meh, pretty sure Keith's tool is 50's ;).
Please keep in mind I DON'T know that to be fact.
Impressive.
Showing all the big boy shapers what old school can do.
Great job. I'm starting to feel I'm the only person in the U.S.A. that doesn't have a shaper!
The image of the motion of the stroker juxtaposed over the poster of the tennis girl is definitely freudian!
That iconic picture was taken a few miles from my place.
Stroking the clapper make your snapper dapper
'Man who goes to bed with itchy butt, wakes up with stinky finger.'
the jokes revolving around shapers must be endless !
Muito bom amigo!!Excelente trabalho como sempre!!!já sei de presente de Natal quero um shaper!!!Esperando pelos próximos vídeos amigo!!!Abraço!Like!
It would be a great X-Mas gift. Cheers, ;{)-------
Muito bom amigo,com certeza um ótimo presente!!!Abraço amigo!!!@@KeithFenner
So much for the ifs and the ands!
Pick me a winner!
Yeah, yours isn't nearly as nice as hers. 😂
Thanks,
John
The Athena Tennis Player . I bet she can Move some Balls lol
Love the machinery build Videos Keith Keep Em coming Cheers ;{)------
scratch that off your azz lol ha ha love it. sure sounded better than what it sounded like at the end of the previous video.
I think this tennis lady is very interested in your back and forth machine.
Optimizing in order to get all that little machine is able to perform, the way to go...!!! ;)
The Tennis Picture -- The Shaper Stroking ---I almost started stroking.
By the way the video was great .
When ya gotta itch, ya gotta scratch! :-)
If you have time, I'd be interested in seeing you put an indicator between the stock and the upright. I don't know if it is the camera moving or the what but it appears that the cuts are causing the stock to push away, like you'd expect. Is it deflecting or is that just my imagination?
Some of that is also the floor shaking the camera, watch the body of the shaper move also, but Yes, you do get some flexing, hence the importance in the knee foot rest I adjusted in part one. ;{)------
Wait...this was about the shaper?...thought it was about tennis skirts....I'll have to watch it again...wish me luck. Great video, I'm in better shaper than I was when I started.
Somehow, shop trousers vs. short tennis skirt basically lose.
Keith, you keep poking the southern gentleman in the eye with that "champeenship" belt and he will soon be blind. lol
As usual, another thumps up video,
Rollie
Rollie Kelly - Who you thumpin'? LOL
@@MaturePatriot, I just noticed that. I wish I could claim typo, however, since the keys are not near to each other that excuse is invalid.
@@rolliekelly6783 i would have said Siri did it. LOL
@@MaturePatriot , I save her for the really big mistakes. (;
Are you lubricating your shaper with way oil? 100 mils depth of cut is quite impressive.
Way oil! yes, that can is always just way oil. ;{)-------
@@KeithFenner Thank you.
Is "stroking on our clapper" a euphemism? 😁
scratching yer bunghole is new
I can't tell you how much I learn from watching Keith... ;)
Keith, I have a question for you about the shaper tool. Its not that far of a reach and you want a meaty tool. Could you skip the toolholder and place a (larger, longer) cutter directly in the toolpost?
Yes you could, but the cut amount would be just about the same as the tool i used. ;{)-------
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I noticed the block shifting a lot during the deep cuts. Is that normal and did it hold to 6 thou?
Some of that is also the floor shaking the camera, watch the body of the shaper move also, but Yes, you do get some flexing, hence the importance in the knee foot rest I adjusted in part one. ;{)------
I think I Luv's tennis.
Hav you noticed that the feed rates for shapers, and planers have upwards of .300. Looking on steam locomotive parts do show feed groves of 1/8 or more. I suspect we’ve lost some knowledge of old time production methods?
Stroking the clapper...lmao!
hahahaha shouldn't that be "Until next time scratch ya bum"...lol
At about 22:07, it looks like the material and vise are rocking from tool pressure. I'm sure the vise is bolted down properly, is there some play in the table or saddle ways?
Some of that is also the floor shaking the camera, watch the body of the shaper move also, but Yes, you do get some flexing, hence the importance in the knee foot rest I adjusted in part one. ;{)------
We dont miss much on you shows......lol..
Nice posters know y u put the shaper there stroking and stroking lol
Nice!!!
Ooooooo raaaahhhh buddy!!!!
Oh geez, the exit shot was not necessary; it is however, something my late father would have done.
must be cold your wearing your flannel lined jeans. looks like your watching tennis but that game isn't even moving the ball. lol
What's the point on changing depth/feed from 75/10 to 100/6? Sesond one is actualy slower, removiing less material per stroke.
Probably less passes with depth adjustment. While it is on auto feed, you can be doing something else.
When would you want the clapper to angle toward the cut (I think ABom79's aluminum shaping was angled toward) vs angled away?
You wouldn't. ;{)-----
i love Tennis.
Legend has it that the tennis player is a Guy!! Though I dont know if there is anything too that.
LOL, You need a new legend supplier. ;{)------
Apparently not:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Girl
@@KeithFenneryea looks like the supplyer was one of them Leg pulling types! ;)
@@robfenwitch7403 . Thanks for the link .
He would be a strange one, he has 3 balls and they are all on the ground.
Shaping... makes me wonder which came first, the metal shaper or the metal planner?
Have you ever used the grinding head attachment for a shaper ?
No. ;{)------
HOLA Keith la maquina es de la segunda guerra 1945?
que buena fundición , ¡a la foto de atrás distrae mucho ja ja es de los 80 creo saludos
I love my manual shaper but it really makes my arm ache
Adam was getting milky lines on aluminum with his shaper any ideas ?
More positive scoop to the top of bit maybe and add some alumatap or light oil. would be my guess, might have to set up and try some day. ;{)------
Was that to see who was actually watching?
I might have the opportunity to rescue a similar sized shaper that is being taken out of commission at my workplace. the problem i´m facing is i have nowhere to set it up or even store it properly.
@jacktheripped I think i will do just that
You and Abom79 - are shapers the new black for machinists?
jacktheripped - I always wanted to build one from the Gingery plans, but have never gotten around to it. Definitely a nice machine to have and very relaxing to watch!
jeez keith - the tennis girl poster is a distraction between adjustments! my wall's much safer with a ducati 860ss from the same era
How do you work with tennis girl in the room
Just fine, I'm not worried about where she is, or what she's doing if she wasn't there. ;{)------
@@KeithFenner
She's subjected herself to a different kind of shaper Keith..
The ending of the video was a surprise when you scratched you butt. That's a no no.
I like old shaper
but the picture is calling me