Well, I think you did a great job explaining the angles to be aware of using a shaper. I have a Sheldon 12" shaper so I appreciate your teaching lesson on how not to crash your tool using a shaper. I am a hobbyist and not a machinist. My background is Welding. Before I forget, thanks for showing the shaper eyes and where they should be looking.👀👀
As someone who is trying to re-learn how to use a shaper after 25 years out of high school, I appreciate Adam's explanations of stuff too. I also really appreciate what you share about them as you have excellent ways of explaining things to amateurs like me. The "smiley face" example is a genius way of helping one to remember which way to swing the clapper box (first time out of the gate on my machine I was dragging the tool due to the wrong clapper angle).
Having just set up a manual shaping machine this was a very useful and informative video and I thank you for it. Your explanation was as good as one could ask for.
Well, explained Michel. I was watching Deans shaper video this morning (12/10/22) and had to come check out your comment to him, Yes, I am suppose to be in the trim shop sewing, but had Shaper fever this morning, so had to watch (@@)! I got wrap up the upholstery jobs, my Shaper is setting there all in pieces is driving me crazy :)>. Early Merry Christmas,,Bear.
I just got my first shaper and I’m glad I saw your video. Now I have a much better understanding of how to make sure the clapper box is set correctly and also how to check it. Thank you for taking the time to show this. 😬👍. Eddie wheels 🧑🏻🦽😬
I think that was a great explanation and Adam shouldn't listen to commenters over his own good sense. 😁 The first thing I learned with my shaper is the bottom of the clapper is always pointing into the cut no matter the angle or direction. Thanks for the video!.
Perfectly explained, I have always used the theory that the material is being feed into a mouth, it’s hard to explain on words the way I look at it but material is feed from the widest point to the smallest point, Told ya I can’t explain it probably but it works in my head, thank you for explaining this, I’ve been told a couple of time that my clapper box was set wrong but it wasn’t, Matty
Very helpful and easily understandable explanation. I'd like to add that one might want to take into consideration that the depth of cut as controlled by the tool head feed might be off (by cosine value of tilt angle, similar to screw cutting on the lathe with compound ser at angle).
Indeed, when the tool slide is set at 45° the tool is fed in half of what you dial in. This was maybe not really the point of this video but i really appreciate pointing that out. Thanks.
Great explanation, Rusti! And also a reminder that anyone can make a mistake... except me of course. Well, there was that night in Sevastopol and my fiancée but we don't talk about that....
@@Rustinox Great video on basics. I commented on another of your vids about some of what Abom does and then this one popped up in my recommendations. But because of your other video where you explain tool extensions I was also able to get a better understanding of what Adams set up in the straight edge video he did. Between the 2 of you shapers might just make a comeback.
Hello rusty great video I'm just starting out using a shaper any information on it is good to see . I. Was wondering if you could make a video on sharpening shaper tool bits and thanks for all your help.
Rusty, you are indeed a teacher. I believe that this is because you see things from the perspective of a novice and explain in terms you would understand. We had a saying many years ago. Those who can, Do. Those who can't teach. And those who can't teach, teach the teachers. I think you fit between the first two categories. You can, and you teach.
Con el tiempo que llevo de ver un canal que explique las virtudes de una limadora y no saber inglés. Que pena que no sea en español. Aún así veo todos tu vídeo. Eres un buen maestro. Gracias.
You are a good enough teacher for youtube viewers, sorry that sounds like yt viewers are being "dissed" as the young trendies might say. The cutting edge being in front of the pivot also applies to clapper box thread cutting tools,but maybe not to the same extent.
You can mention names I WON'T BE OFFENDED. I'm a novice as you well know. I think you are a secret tool maker engineer taking up driving boats as an easier way of life to pay the bills. I DON'T BLAME YOU. Brilliant constructive, instructive, informative bit of technical theory for beginner's just like me to improve our tool setting skills in order to perform operational tasks which will hopefully LOOK GOOD lol. Score = AA++
I have absolutely no problem with hobbyists making little mistakes. The videos i refer to comes from a technical school somewhere in the far east. Teachers teaching it wrong, that's a big problem.
Great video, great explanation! Two questions: 1. The clapper box has a swing range. Obviously rotating it more increases the clearance. What is your opinion on the optimal setting? 2. I have noticed Adam cutting keyways both with the keyway down and up. In the 'down' position, I guess the clapper box would work OK, but I do not know if it was locked. I have an old book saying the clapper box should be locked for slotting work. In the 'up' position, obviously the clapper box does not function. With internal slotting, a pretty long bar is used, does this already provide (elastic) clearance? Would disabling the clapper for slotting also be for reasons of accuracy? Thanks and keep up the good work! Groeten uit Nederland.
Tha angle of the clapper box is not really important. From the moment it clears the tool on the backstroke, it's good. For slotting, the clapper is always locked. If not, the cutting forces will push the tool up while cutting. Of course, it's important to feed down only when the tool clrars the cut on the backstroke.
Well, I think you did a great job explaining the angles to be aware of using a shaper. I have a Sheldon 12" shaper so I appreciate your teaching lesson on how not to crash your tool using a shaper. I am a hobbyist and not a machinist. My background is Welding. Before I forget, thanks for showing the shaper eyes and where they should be looking.👀👀
My pleasure.
No other explanation required. Excellent. These are obviously very important learnings.
As someone who is trying to re-learn how to use a shaper after 25 years out of high school, I appreciate Adam's explanations of stuff too. I also really appreciate what you share about them as you have excellent ways of explaining things to amateurs like me. The "smiley face" example is a genius way of helping one to remember which way to swing the clapper box (first time out of the gate on my machine I was dragging the tool due to the wrong clapper angle).
The problem is that it easy to understand but not easy to explain. When you got it, you got it.
Another masterclass. You are a great teacher, and you drawing the eyes and mouth on the clapper box really helps to illustrate the explanation. 👏👏👍😀
Well, I hope it's clear.
Excellent explanation and visuals. Now all I need is a shaper...
I'm sure one day you'll find one. Shapers are fun.
Having just set up a manual shaping machine this was a very useful and informative video and I thank you for it. Your explanation was as good as one could ask for.
Thanks Jack. At least it was useful to somebody.
Well, explained Michel. I was watching Deans shaper video this morning (12/10/22) and had to come check out your comment to him, Yes, I am suppose to be in the trim shop sewing, but had Shaper fever this morning, so had to watch (@@)! I got wrap up the upholstery jobs, my Shaper is setting there all in pieces is driving me crazy :)>. Early Merry Christmas,,Bear.
One day you will get to it. I'm sure.
I just got my first shaper and I’m glad I saw your video. Now I have a much better understanding of how to make sure the clapper box is set correctly and also how to check it. Thank you for taking the time to show this. 😬👍. Eddie wheels 🧑🏻🦽😬
Thanks Eddie. I'm glad it could be useful to you.
I think that was a great explanation and Adam shouldn't listen to commenters over his own good sense. 😁 The first thing I learned with my shaper is the bottom of the clapper is always pointing into the cut no matter the angle or direction. Thanks for the video!.
Never listen to good advice. Find out what's best for yourself and work by feel.
Great, now I understand !! You are an excellent teacher !
Thank you! 😃
Great information Rusty, I missed this one originally...watching and taking notes !
Thanks...well done ATB....Dean
Thanks Dean.
Very well done Thank you for the training on the shaper. Don't worry about teaching you did a great job on this one.
Thanks Glenn. We do what we can, don't we?
Hi I'm a proud new owner of an old Alba 1A. Great advice on clapper positioning thanks!
That's good news, Dennis. I'm sure you're going to have lots of good times with your 1A.
Hi Rusti, some useful tips. Learning all the time. Some people right Shapers off but they still definitely have their uses....Regards Kevin
I think the shaper is the ideal hobby machine. It's cheap and easy to use.
Perfectly explained, I have always used the theory that the material is being feed into a mouth, it’s hard to explain on words the way I look at it but material is feed from the widest point to the smallest point, Told ya I can’t explain it probably but it works in my head, thank you for explaining this, I’ve been told a couple of time that my clapper box was set wrong but it wasn’t, Matty
Thanks Matty. No matter how it's explained, as long as it works. I know you know how to operate a shaper.
Very helpful and easily understandable explanation. I'd like to add that one might want to take into consideration that the depth of cut as controlled by the tool head feed might be off (by cosine value of tilt angle, similar to screw cutting on the lathe with compound ser at angle).
Indeed, when the tool slide is set at 45° the tool is fed in half of what you dial in.
This was maybe not really the point of this video but i really appreciate pointing that out.
Thanks.
Great explanation, Rusti! And also a reminder that anyone can make a mistake... except me of course. Well, there was that night in Sevastopol and my fiancée but we don't talk about that....
Lol. Thanks Nick.
Thanks, I never thought of these details.
Even the details are part of the fun.
Thanks for the class Michael. Always good to refresh the fundamentals.
Thanks Tom. If the basics doesn't work, nothing will.
Rustinox Hey your stickers arrived today. Thanks.
@@Rustinox Great video on basics.
I commented on another of your vids about some of what Abom does and then this one popped up in my recommendations.
But because of your other video where you explain tool extensions I was also able to get a better understanding of what Adams set up in the straight edge video he did.
Between the 2 of you shapers might just make a comeback.
Hello rusty great video I'm just starting out using a shaper any information on it is good to see . I. Was wondering if you could make a video on sharpening shaper tool bits and thanks for all your help.
Thanks for your comment, Raymond. Yes, that's maybe a good idea. Just give me some time to prepare.
Good explanation . I will have to wait until i get a shaper to put it to use ! Cheers .
One day you will...
Rusty, you are indeed a teacher. I believe that this is because you see things from the perspective of a novice and explain in terms you would understand.
We had a saying many years ago.
Those who can, Do.
Those who can't teach.
And those who can't teach, teach the teachers.
I think you fit between the first two categories. You can, and you teach.
Thanks. I am a novice myself. maybe that's why...
You did another great job....Thanks
Thank you very much.
G’day Rusti. Well explained thank you.
Cheers
Peter
Thanks Peter.
Con el tiempo que llevo de ver un canal que explique las virtudes de una limadora y no saber inglés. Que pena que no sea en español. Aún así veo todos tu vídeo. Eres un buen maestro. Gracias.
It's already difficult enough for me to explain in english. So i hope you understand it's impossible for me to do it in spanish. Thanks for your time.
You are a good enough teacher for youtube viewers, sorry that sounds like yt viewers are being "dissed" as the young trendies might say.
The cutting edge being in front of the pivot also applies to clapper box thread cutting tools,but maybe not to the same extent.
Thanks Chris. I never thought about this clapper thread cutting tools, but indeed, it sounds jogique.
@@Rustinox there is a video of a Victorian style one, updated to fit modern toolpost, on my channel if you want to see one type.
You can mention names I WON'T BE OFFENDED. I'm a novice as you well know. I think you are a secret tool maker engineer taking up driving boats as an easier way of life to pay the bills. I DON'T BLAME YOU. Brilliant constructive, instructive, informative bit of technical theory for beginner's just like me to improve our tool setting skills in order to perform operational tasks which will hopefully LOOK GOOD lol. Score = AA++
I have absolutely no problem with hobbyists making little mistakes. The videos i refer to comes from a technical school somewhere in the far east. Teachers teaching it wrong, that's a big problem.
Great explanation, enjoyed.
Thanks Randy.
Excellent explanation, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Steven. Now you need to find yourself a shaper.
The eyes have it thanks for presenting :)
Thanks Raymond.
very good ! thanks !
Thanks.
Bravo! Bien dit. Ton explication etais claire. Merci.
Merci Yves. On fait comme on peut, n'est-ce pas?
Great video, great explanation! Two questions:
1. The clapper box has a swing range. Obviously rotating it more increases the clearance. What is your opinion on the optimal setting?
2. I have noticed Adam cutting keyways both with the keyway down and up. In the 'down' position, I guess the clapper box would work OK, but I do not know if it was locked. I have an old book saying the clapper box should be locked for slotting work. In the 'up' position, obviously the clapper box does not function. With internal slotting, a pretty long bar is used, does this already provide (elastic) clearance? Would disabling the clapper for slotting also be for reasons of accuracy?
Thanks and keep up the good work! Groeten uit Nederland.
Tha angle of the clapper box is not really important. From the moment it clears the tool on the backstroke, it's good.
For slotting, the clapper is always locked. If not, the cutting forces will push the tool up while cutting.
Of course, it's important to feed down only when the tool clrars the cut on the backstroke.
Excellent tip Sir.
Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure.
Where are you located?? I am near Branson Missouri in USA. Thanks love your videos. I am a subscriber.
Thanks for your sub Jim. I'm from Belgium.
Very good
Well done and info appreciated.
Thanks Dick. And fun to do.
Going out in the shop this weekend to do a shaper video. Its been a wile sense its ran..
Will be good. At least you have a real shaper. I have just a working scale model.
@@Rustinox Don't be hard on yourself. Your scale model along with you brings laughter and instruction at the same time. Tony
weer een interessante video !!
Dank je wel, Ludo.
Great video rusty
Thanks Greg.
Thanks for the explanation
My pleasure, Toni.
Héél goed!!!
Dankjewel.
And here I thought I was your #1 hero :(
One of them... in no numeric order.
Has anyone used the quill feed like a shaper?
Can be done with light cuts and the spindle locked..
Rustinox is there any way to tighten the clapper box if worn
Normally the pin that holds the clapper in place is tapered. You adjust the play tightening the pin.
@@Rustinox i see cuz im getting one but realize clapper with play is a problem i only have experience with milling machine.thank you
rube goldberg
LOL. I didn't know him. Had to look it up.
I figure you have forgotten more than Adam!!
Adam is a master machinist. I'm just an amateur.
Abom is awesome, but I would have to vote for joe pieczynski
Joe is a hero too. But he doesn't do shaper videos. From the day he will, i can stop my channel and do some funny cat videos.