Why The Crusades Were Awesome, Actually
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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2024
- The popular understanding of The Crusades in the West is that they involved barbaric, violent Christians invading the peaceful and enlightened Islamic world. Films like Kingdom of Heaven and Mankind: The Story of Us reinforce this narrative. But the truth is the reality of the Crusades is much, much different. In fact, it's the polar opposite. In this video on Pax Tube, I explain why The Crusades were not only morally justified, but were also a historic achievement. Buckle up for a crash course in over 1,000 years of European and Middle Eastern history!
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0:00 Intro
2:05 Origins of Christianity vs Islam
4:41 Christendom's Hand Is Forced
9:03 The Crusades Begin
13:15 Conclusion
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Citations:
'Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization' by John J. O'Neill
'The Crusades: A Response to Islamic Aggression' by John J. O'Neill
gatesofvienna.net/2010/02/the...
'Why We Are Afraid, a 1400 Year Secret' by Dr. Bill Warner
• Why We Are Afraid, A 1...
Urban II's Crusade Speech
www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/ca...
It's easy to condemn the "find out" when you ignore the "fuck around" that preceded it...
Shakespearean quote.
Certified banger
reminds me of 9/11
There is no fuck around or find out - in reality is just people wanting to control Jerusalem, because by controling that city they could control their own people. And that's what religion is for - proxy control. You give people a belief in the afterlife and at some father savior and then you impose laws and regulations on them that they won't break or they will lose their "place" in heaven.
There was no f-k around, this video is straight half propaganda half historical falsehoods.
Calling the Crusades an unprovoked attack on Muslim territory is like calling D Day an unprovoked attack on German territory. I can understand saying that it was sad that it ever became necessary, but it's not shameful to fight for survival or to regain what was taken.
HUH
DEUS VULT
Yeah more like butchering entire cities and taking the women and childern and taking everything they have in the name of ur god
Have you watched Europa the last battle? Xd
Insane comparison. It would be more like justifying Denmark invading Scania today because it used to be danish until 1658. The islamic world had not just captured Jerusalem four years before the crusades, you are either stupid or dishonest
I like how the christians are always condemned yet somehow the islam atrocities are consistently ignored...
True story!
Islamic aggression is not only against Christian. It is against all humanity
That’s just false
Same with Jewish atrocities, they were always blamed on the Italians or the Russians... For their most recent atrocities the Syrians and Afghans and Iraqis get the blame
Convenient to the narrative.
Not gonna lie, we might be needing a new crusade.
They are already trying to kill off innocent Palestinian children
its already happening
@@quackcake91651 where i need to join lol
@@quackcake91651how and where?
We're getting ready.
People always seem to FORGET that the crusades were a response to 800 years of Muslim aggression.
Alternatively: 'For 800 years, Christians saw Islam progress and they boiled in jealousy.'
so the the 7th century to the 12th century contains 800 years, thats some great math buddy.
@@PhurLok66 the first Crusade started in 1095. You may want to re-check your dates.
@@poopjeans1135 thats even worse bruh the math just maths less
@@poopjeans1135 You might want to check who's writing your history ; )
Just because a historian dubbed something as the "first crusade" does not make it the first crusade. A crusade is an invasion with religious fervor as its backing. Please educate yourself on our shared history; for that which was written was written with intention and bias.
This video highlights and extremists point of view. Nothing more.
Sadly this video will only be buried under the CZcams algorithm while anti-Christian rhetoric will continue to be promoted institutionally and commercially.
Crusader Armies came based on a cnturies old irrendentist mission, and then when they conquered they massacred everyone including Jewish, Muslim and even Christian civilians who were not Catholic. It’s not anti-Christian, it’s anti-atrocities.
@@Handle0108 i'll just hold myself and say generalizing is always stupid
@@Handle0108 no dunce do 5 minutes of unbiased research and you’ll find otherwise.
So is he not gonna talk about the Crusaders killing all innocent Jew, Muslim, women and children in their path? Which Muslims NEVER did!
@@GDL88 Muslims never have done that? Are you sure?
I never really thought about how miss represented the crusades are in media and school. Even knowing this history it never really clicked that they try to say that they were essentially unprovoked and senseless
As someone who recently learned about them in school they really only gave the caliphate burning a church as a reason and then focused on the brutality of the attack on Jerusalem
this video is still misrepresenting (lol you can't even spell that word) it. not even going to go over how the fourth crusade sacked Constantinople and essentially assured its demise.
Considering it was centuries after the capture of the lands they wanted to take back, yes it was unprovoked.
Its funny how biased this video is
Like actually for real. In finland we were thought multiple times in multiple different books that crusades were only robbery trips of christians to rob other nations for church to get money. No mention about fighting agains Islam let alone they showing agression first.
13:08 Can we just appreciate a lil fact that Ottomans were kicked out of Europe with a massive scar on their asses after Winged Hussars kicked them out of Vienna in Largest Cavalry Charge in the whole history. Such beautiful way to end it all in last "crusade"
Ottomans were defeated by Russians not some Huissars.
The army that defeated the Turks at the gates of Vienna under Sobiesky was predominantly german. They did the heavy fighting in the trenches and acted as an anvil for the hammer that was the polish Hussar charge.
@@weisthor0815 yeah, german soldiers that were led by elite cavalry force, also they started retreating on sight of the charge
Go, Team Jesus!!!
@@kaz4184 Nonsense, the Hussars waited on the hill while the german and austrian infarnty did the dirty work in the trenches and on the battlefield, pinning down the turks for the cavalry charge from behind.
No victory at Vienna without german and austrian infantry.
A lot of people portray the battle of Vienna as a polish victory, which it clearly was not. It was a victory of combined forces from the Holy Roman Empire, Austria and the Poles.
I had to write a report on the crusades my sophomore year. I pretty much said what you’re saying here, and the teacher gave me a zero. She also threatened to fail me for the year because I defined Jihad as a holy war, even though I asked an actual practicing Muslim about the Islamic definition. This was 2014, I can only imagine how much history has been further bastardized since then
Jihad means struggle, could be used in a context of holy war. But the Def is struggle, lets not be foolish here.
@@Wartensteiin There are several different types of Jihad, and the "smaller jihad" which refers to holy war is MANDATORY for all Muslims who are able to do so as COMMANDED BY THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD. Stop doing dishonest Taqiyyah.
@@the_kimchi_kommandant2603 Where is that verse? Taqiyyah is not a concept Islam, it was invented by anti-Islam activists to silent Muslims. Engage in honest discussion instead of throwing terms that are the opposite of that,
@@Wartensteiin Bro??? Now you're denying a fundamental part of your own religion??? wtf
@@the_kimchi_kommandant2603 How is taqiyya part of the religion? Give me authentic hadith or quranic verses to substantiate your claims.
As a french, I'm always surprised by the way the Crusades are viewed by the anglo-saxon public. I've never heard something as "The Crusade were aggression" or "a terrible crime". It was an adventure, driven by faith, and which gave rise to exchanges more than a simple fight between enemy religions. The Middle East being at the time one very diverse region, in its cultural and religious mix.
Also, it should not be forgotten that, at the time of the Crusaders, the Middle East was a Christian land only a few centuries ago. Islam having only appeared in the 7th century and the first crusade taking place at the beginning of the 11th century
Ive learned one important thing from you french people:
Between us europeans you are either the most cucked or the most based. Theres no in between.
The 4th crusade should not have happened however, the Roman’s were Christian
@@jeffbob3311 BIG mistakes were made. I suppose that back then they were corrupted by greed
Stylé ta photo de profil
@@SIGNOR-G Mistakes like the sacking and massacre of Jerusalem and Antioch during the First crusade, huh? That little mistake that was the sacking of Constantinople led to Ottomans' conquest, and also opened a beachhead that the Turks used to conquer the rest of Eastern Europe, they even reached Vienna in 1529! Crusaders were nut f*cks, most of them were nobility's sons who couldn't inherit and wanted to take a big chunk of land for themselves or crazy maniacs like Raynald of Chatillon, thanks to their greedy asses the Romans finally fell
Knowing how much hate you would get for this video and going through with it anyways is truly inspiring. In a world where Christian bashing is not only accepted but promoted your video is a blessing. Thank you for this and all of your other videos.
and of course if you say this on social media you'll be attacked and they'll claim christians are the evil and privileged ones... I wish people could at least be honest about simply hating us, instead of pretending we hate them
Just look at the pro Hamas, anti Jew, anti Western Civilization mass marches all across Europe and America. The Muslims are at it again
Anti-White.
Muslims arent the ones who control media bruh. Muslims mostly admire christian westerners
The video is bullshit, and this kid is a wannabe Chad (who likes anime and loli girls? Not catholic, just a disappointment)
Reconquista gave us, the Iberians, our countries back and without it, thanks to our King Afonso Henriques. Portugal would had not become the country it is now. Neither would Spain in that matter. Sadly, the European governments are spitting on the graves of those who fought against these animals and are welcoming them with open arms.... We need a new Reconquista, European wide Reconquista
Amen brother. I am german and i know exactly what you mean. I can see it on the streets every day.
Europe as we know it will cease to exist forever if we do not act or change our voting behaviour drastically.
They are vilifying the crusades because they don't want you to remember Rome conquered and owned Jerusalem. It belongs to the Europeans. The other religions don't want a western conciousness like this.
@@weisthor0815Voting is not going to help.
I always found it interesting that it was called reconquista when it really was a conquista. I’m all for having “requonquista” now in 2024 though ✝️
@@Deftknight The muslims conquered it from the christians first ... the reconquista was to conquer it back. So I think the name is justified as it is ?
As an atheist who has a great appreciation for learning history I’ve also been baffled by how often the crusades are portrayed as some unique evil among historical wars. Completely just ignoring the defensive nature of them and how Islamic expansion both pre and post dated them all
It's utter necessary in history learning to look at the past with the eyes of the past, not the eyes of the present. You can't just segregate few events of history and decide what was right and what was wrong according to your conteporary society values. It's less than appropriate and narrows down your insight over the course of events and facts.
any man saying that the muslims are the rightful owners of the holy land is an complete clueless idiot. aswell to any other religion other then the jews. king david built the place.
@adi_lowenthal_platt Oh for sure, that is why I emphasized 'portrayed as some unique evil' as in it and most wars of similar nature or around that time are evil in our retrospective morality.
Atheists have a unique hatred against Christians. Especially in the West, where they are seen as political/ideological enemies, as well as relics of a "shameful" past.
@adi_lowenthal_platt every war in history untill ww1 had war crimes because it was normal and allowed. And i agree with that ideology because u cant win a war by just killing off an army and leaving the enemy population in the area, it Couse instability and doesn't change the place just the leadership.
Can't even imagine what a crazy undertaking this was for the soldiers, after that notorious travel distance to fight an unknown enemy for months.
they did it for the Lord
@@1992zorro I'm an atheist, but it amazes me what strenght humans can gain if they just believe in something, hope can move mountains i guess.
the French/Frankish name for the Holy Land was 'Outre mer' - simply 'overseas', so unknown it was
@@spyderman4206what interests lol. The interest wad to help Byzantium face the Seljuks, but the crusaders when advancing to Anatolia and the levant felt like Emperor Alexios did not help them enough, so the counts took the lands for themselves
They were promised gold, to have their sins forgiven and to enter heaven (from the trusty, wholesome, Vatican). But they had fun murdering, looting and raping along the way. Proper gentlemen the crusaders. God bless 'em.
I must say, even though I’m atheist, that you made me look at crusades in much different light right now.
Jesus loves you bro
@@adrian_ad Repect his beliefs will you?
@@SiddharthPVM nothing I said was disrespectful
@@adrian_ad you are unwilling trying to push your religious beliefs on him. Do you see me saying Jesus is human made? No right?
@@SiddharthPVM ur opinion is valid
The crusaders were the medieval NATO, but more willing to defend the western world's borders.
More willing? The Islamic Jihad was going on for HUNDREDS of years before the Christians decided to respond with the First Crusade...
Are you kidding me ?
The crusaders enjoyed sacking Christian cities more than they did fight the Muslims. They enjoyed carving up the Levant for themselves and establishing principalities and dukedoms than they did maintaining Jerusalem
It's the same as it's always been with wars prosecuted by wealthy, land-owning aristocrats; using ideology to make the peasants and serfs and the orders stupid enough to invest and make the trip go to crusade, just to carve land out for themselves.
There was nothing Justified, or Christian, about the Crusades.
Don't compare defenders of faith with the terrorist organization that ravished countless lands and sent soldiers who were killed for the sake of American greed.
As an Romanian I can say that our history books appreciate the crusades , especially the late ones that we participated in like Varna , because the Ottomans have been a constant threat to us until the 19th century
romani people are literally Turks that call them selves "gypsy"
Romania was the shield of Europe for centuries
Turkey still are. Romania is the most direct remnants of Byzantium. Turkey is one of the most provocative countries in the world. they are why the US got involved with Saddam Hussein. They didn't have to destablize iraqs water, but they chose to because they are the wrong type of muslim to each other. Hussein always promised that if Turkey built the dams, he would blow them up. Years later after Saddam is deposed, Turkey builds the dams and cause more havoc to all the downstream countries. From Syria to Iraq. Look how those have become hotbeds now that their water has destabilized. Turkey knew the play it was doing.
@@corpseoperaNow, sadly Ucraine is the shield of Europe.
As a Bulgarian I also appreciate the crusades given how much we and the rest of the Balkans suffered under Ottoman rule.
The issue I see many modern zoomers have is the notion that the Crusades were all failures other than the First Crusade. This misconception comes from the fact that the other Crusades were unable to retake the city of Jerusalem. But to be honest most modern historians over simplify the retaking of Jerusalem as the only true goal of the Crusades. Most Crusades actually didn’t even have this goal in mind. Looking beyond the recapture of Jerusalem the Crusades actually did yield some incredible results. The Northern Crusades and Reconquista were completely successful in the long term. The Third Crusade led to the capture of Cyprus, Tyre, and Jaffa. Richard Lionheart beat Saladin in all 3 of the major battles fought against one another, despite being outnumbered. This led to a Crusader military victory where Saladin was forced to be chill with Christians and was unable to expand further into the other Crusader states. Also the Sixth Crusade actually led to direct Christian control of Jerusalem once again. Really the Crusades have become a subject of historical misunderstanding and deliberate misleading by modern cut throat ideologues.
It's because Christianity is an easy punching bag that can't, and won't fight back. Can't expect much from intellectually bankrupted cowards.
The issue is the same as the issue has been back then, the enemies of Christ are attacking us, or who owns the holy land now?
The people that killed Christ?
cough 4th crusade cough
@@ejoji4245 in the case of the original intent of the crusades to alleviate the eastern romans every crusade fails and yes the fourth crusade the most. Yet, in their own rights and intentions even the fourth crusade was a success..
"Most Crusades actually didn’t even have this goal in mind"
yeah the real goal was to rape and pillage. everyone knows this.
This is probably one of the most awesome history documentaries I've seen in a while, and it's improved my understanding of the Crusades. The only strange thing I guess is the funny thumbnail for the video.
How did u get a better understanding of the crusades without any real details? Did u know the Christian crusaders also attacked non-Muslim and even Christian cities. I dont get why yall act like any of it was justified on either side. But I guess u come from a violent culture.
Going through public education I honestly never got the impression that my education was trying to frame the Crusades as a war more immoral than any other (religious or non-religious), unlike what it seems other people's experience was. I was given the context of the rise of Christianity, the fall of Rome, the rise of Islam, and by extension the Islamic holy wars (Jihad). My understanding was that almost all wars (especially ancient) were horrible and generally the invaders would commit acts of horrible acts of violence against the invaded civilians, it was made clear to me that no culture is above this (since it probably wouldn't survive), from the Mongol invasions to Jihad to the Crusades to even the modern day wars in Ukraine and Iraq.
They're trying to sell you on pluralism.
Congrats for being the one person who had a decent, moral history teacher.
Ya this is the norm, these christians play perpetual victims because western media focuses on western historical atrocities. The pearl clutching will never end.
"It took Christianity 300 years of being put to the sword by Islam, having 2/3 of the Christian world conquered - with millions butchered, and over a million more Europeans carted off across the Mediterranean into slavery before the first crusade was called."
True no wonder y many ignore this
you know christianity also spread enourmously
@@Spacebartreal they spread through largely peaceful means at that point, Egypt, Anatolia, North Africa, Iberia, Syria, Ethiopia, Armenia, modern Jerusalem and Palestine where converted through peaceful means. they where the spiritual guides the general populace liked and kings liked how effective their administration assistance could be. only the Balkans and germanic/skandinavian raiders where converted at sword point.
@@bmetalfish3928 What about the native americans , massacre of the aboriginals of australia and natives of newzealand. Christianity also spread through colonisation, look at south america. This video is extremely biased as it ignores the massacres christians have committed during that era and later on. Anyway Religion has died not only in europe but globally, the adoption of secularism has been completed worldwide and the masses have left their religious beliefs for a secular and more free lifestyle. You and i both know this is true and its time we all accept what society has become, irreligious and secular
@@bmetalfish392810 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.[12] -Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As a Portuguese I got to say that only Anglo-Saxons could come up with a version of events where the christians were the aggressors.
I guess they were right then. The crusade was a political move by the Pope where he disregarded all points of christianity to fulfil his dreams of a bloody conquest.
They're
@@dindin8753 Nice to see there is some sense of intelligence down here.
Those people in the media are all FreeMaySons which has its roots in Kabb Alism and the lsIamic world. Some of their orders, like the Shhriners, pay homage to that origin.
Pretty much the India experience too!
The first crusade is probably the proudest moment of European history
From a Bulgarian's stand point, although we didn't participate formally in the crusades they happened through our lands and although the crusaders could be said that they basically bullied the enslaved population they were still viewed as heroes as they should. Thank you for the help, long live Vladislav Varnenchik and Jesus is King ✝️❤️☦️
Remember when the Romanians (Orthodox) ravaged Bulgarian (Orthodox) lands 😂Truly an Orthodox Moment of All Time
The crusades didn't enslave any population. Slavery was abolished by the church already in the middle ages.
When I was reading a book about the Crusades, I forget which book, but the telling of the 1st Crusade always made me giggle. "Things were going bad but then the Franks got really mad and the day was won."
Might happen again, given the way events are unfolding nowadays 😂
Another win for the Franks!!! Losing 1 war against the most advanced army of the time with some of the greatest soldiers of all time and being remembered for only that sucks. Franks have had many great battle victories. That story is funny. So remember, when they're pissed, fighting is not good!
NEVER I remind you; NEVER... anger the Frank's... Worst mistake of my life
- some ottoman guy probably
franks can kiss myy arrsse@@littlehollow
@@maitres-chez-nous5609the crusader were also many germans and the Franks are also a germanic tribe this is not a french victory but a european.
The Austrian flag has its origins in the Third Crusade (1189-1192).
The Babenberger Leopold V was an Austrian duke. It is said that after the siege and subsequent battle of Akkon, his white robe was completely soaked in blood, save for a white stripe where he wore his sword belt. In 1191, Heinrich VI gave Leopold the red-white-red coat of arms. After the Babenbergs died out, the Habsburgs inherited the coat of arms and it became the colors of the House of Austria.
It's one of the oldest, still in use, flags.
The Austrians started ww1
@@Kazamatigoh1221who cares?
@@Kazamatigoh1221Serbia started WW1
@@MicahDAmato a quick search on google will tell you Austria was the ones who declared war. They were also on the German side aka the BAD side, aka the villains.
@@Kazamatigoh1221 good bait man you had me goin there for a second🤣
Who could imagine that history was complex ???
its not
its just the guy in the video is trying to make the crusades look good(they were not)
I have been misled my whole life about the crusades. Thank you for this video.
It blows my mind how modern narratives are basically that the bad guys are good and the good guys are bad, and nobody knows enough about the history to question it
History is a work of construction, not discovery. It's important to remember that history is only 20% chronological events and 80% narrative interpretation; Jules Michelet's account of the French Revolution rivaled Victor Hugo for its romantic rhetoric, and Alexis de Tocqueville's rendering of that same event was a tragedy worthy of Racine. During this time period, only the wealthy and upper social classes were taught the privilege of literacy; so history carries their perspective.
It's safe to say, if you're a Christian fighting to keep land away from the government and migrants, protecting your communities and families and keeping them homogenous, you're on the right side of history.
I loved crusaders when I was little but then as I got a bit older, I found out that they sacked Constantinople in 1204, that one sack decimated the Eastern Roman Empire and ultimately weakened them enough that they fell in 1453. Eastern Roman was one of my favourites. Christians attacking Christians, killed and looted their own brothers.
that some racist sht right there @@lanthanumlanthanium6373
Everyone who knows enough history knows, that there are no totally "good" or "bad" guys
Don't know why the crusades are portrayed as something bad in other countries but in my country(btw, I'm from Armenia) the crusades are portrayed as fight for the sake of Christians and Christianity and at the same time, nothing bad was written about muslims. It is an unbelievable honor to be a Christian due to the fact, that my country first accepted Christianity as a state religion and due to what my nation and my ancestors had to go through to remain as a Christian country. Love to everyone and stay safe out there. Carry on the legacy of your ancestors ❤️
Because, dear friend and brother in Christ, your country hasn't succumbed to the enemy of tradition and Christianity that is liberal laicism. The same cannot be said about my home country Spain, even if there are some like us who hold out. Hopefully we can revert this decay and restore our great Faith again. † ❤
@@nestor1907 God bless you, your family, your nation, and your country ❤️
Western countries have a lot of socio-political snakes trying to rewrite history and shame parts of our past. It’s infuriating
That's cause the context of Armenia, Georgia, and even the Byzantine Empire is completely ignored in most western documentaries and movies on the events of the crusades, they kind of just put it as if catholics were simply bored of fighting each other and wanted to convert the whole world to christianity. I think in western culture and media, the crusades and colonialism are very much blended into one another, to create this appalling view of events, that Europeans have always been blood thirsty, racist group of people, that only seek to conquer. Which is very much not the case, since most of European history is actually about national stability.
@jackjones4824 I just want to understand your view on the umayyad caliphate and the Islamic crusades and their conquest and killings over thousands of innocent Cristians, Jews, and Zoroastrians? Also western Europe had just a much a claim to revenge as the Bzyantine Empire, the Islamic Crusades pushed well into Spain and Southern France, completing conquering the visigoths and the pieces of Frankish kingdom(both of which germanic tribes who had been converted to Christian). Also, let's not act like Islamic crusades needed to happen, or were somehow provoked, the Romes never pushed for control Arabian Dessert
Peaceful Muslims 😂 that's a funny joke
There is quite a bit of nuance there, The turks that came out Of persia were Very warlike compared to the sunis in egypt.
Religion of peace 🤣🤣
At least Muslims were living next to Christians and Jews in Iberia while Christians were massacring Jews regularly in Europe
@@bigcatdiary08Facts
@@alexstetson2397 al jihad al asghar (the lesser jihad) meaning the slaughtering, subjugation and enslavement of non-Muslims by Muslims is 'fard', meaning it is mandatory. Koran 9:29 gives the goal, enslavement of the world under the Sharia based on the assumption Islam is true (it cannot be true, it's origin story doesn't match the archeology of the region). Only those completely ignorant of Islamic doctrine and history would say it is 'nuanced'. Also remember, Muslims are allowed to deceive you (that is, lie to your face) if it advances Islam. Fortunately many Muslims are not pious and defy the rules of the death cult, but that doesn't mean the death cult isn't evil. Stop defending evil with pretentious nonsense like 'nuance' when the evil intent is not even hidden - as defending evil makes yourself evil.
Nice work, pretty thorough for 15 minutes. I recommend Marry Beard's The Middle Ages to anyone interested in this era.
Fun fact: A Norwegian King was the first European king to personally lead his forces into the Holy Land.
Which king?
@@BjornerokkKing Sigurd I
He was just a teenager. He was valiant and successful and made it home, but lost his mind tragically.
@@deepdungeon he was a great king but his death caused a 110 year long civil war in norway
no one in the world needs judastyanity
Here in germany the crusades are not seen as a pointless aggression. The crusades were an answer to the spread of islam and that is how it is taught in school here. I was pretty surprised by the man in the intro saying the cursades where the most shameful undertaking of human history. A statement which i would consider to be ridiculous and false. The conquests of the mongols were much worse for example. People today also tend to forget that we speak of times so vastly different to our own that we can't even attempt to understand how it was for people back in the middle ages. Everyone was a fanatical believer.
And then...you open the floodgates to Islam. Smart.
I'm actually scared to open modern textbooks with how things have been going in western Europe as of late.
History is being recontextualized and altered in no small part due to the demographics changing.
Which is concerning, considering history should always be objective.
American media, especially school material portrays the crusades as disgusting wars
@@Volvith Sadly you are absolutely right. What's happeing is very concerning.
and why are they killing Jews not Muslim then? a tradition before Nazi?
This video singlehandedly changed my perspective on the Crusades. Thank you for making such an amazing video.
I love the name of your channel by the way. It's so clever!!
'One day for no reason at all' seems to be their go-to for why the good guys did what they did
"Good guys", grow the fck up
underrated
The Crusaders weren't the "good guys".
@@markgreen6018 there are no good nor bad guys in history
@@alessandrozanzarella9203that is not true at all
Thanks for the video. As an Arab Christian, of course, they never show this side of history and during school, the Crusaders were often described as barbaric, while the Muslims of course are merciful. I wish we could all learn pure history with no biases.
you know that the crusaders killed even the Christians amongst the muslims? no ?
(Ignore my arab name, I'm syrio-brazilian) Wait, do you mean in what country? Because with so much communist revisionism, I'm almost sure western education pictures crusaders much worse than muslim world education.
obviously.. im sure the brits know next to nothing about their own cruel colonial history.
The ayyubis were indeed more merciful by the standard of their time. Saladin was remembered in europe and earned limbo in dante poems. His descendants were also more inclined to be merciful to subsequent crusading knights. In history there are no black and white. The past is packed full of diverse characters each deserving more than the stereotypical images which we project onto them.
Funny how the Christians were so kind to the people of the Americas, the people of the North Caucasus when the Teutonic Knights went on gruesome crusades to eradicate paganism. What mercy was that? When did Muslims ever treat you Christian Arabs badly? On the contrary, those crusaders killed Orthodox Christians indiscriminately during the First Crusade. This is the kind of rule you wanted to live under?
Great job, Pax Tube! 👏
This so needed to be said.
The only sad part of crusades was behaviour of many crusaders who thought that they can act as they want as they were blessed by a pope to ravage the infidels. But that's just as with any war.
As Assyrian Christian I just find the modern view of Christianity in general weird they suggested that the Christian faith has notions or attitudes that are openly hostile which they never do to any other faith especially those the modernist openly counter such as Islam
There’s countless attacks against the Muslim faith, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@Handle0108 Were being played against each other
@@Handle0108 the Christians are expected to accept and tolerate the social decay and lgbt stuff that they don’t put on muslims as they are instead exotise them at the moment
@@assyrianchristian764 that is the fault of Christians for being weak and not Muslims or the media. If you tolerate everything people will keep demanding and pushing more on you, and unfortunately nowadays Christians are not willing to stand up for their values. Muslims on the other hand stand by and defend every letter of their holy book and religion.
@@assyrianchristian764 as a muslim it is quite sad to see the state of affair of religion in the modern day.
Alot of Christians cater to easily to athiesm and secularism as it slowly eats away at the very core beliefs of Christianity.
Nowadays it's getting hard to even tell what exactly a Christian is when so much of the religion is being changed.
Some Christians think saving the faith means joining Christian fundamentalists organizations and spreading hate to other religions and all this does is push Christianity into a political ideology.
The reason why islam is so successful right now is due to how robust it is, the people are both tolerant yet Intolerant, A perfect blend.
I feel as though for Christianity to truly be saved in this era they must return to the source.
Practice Christianity the way the early Christians did at the time of Jesus, bring back the old methods of praying, bring back the headscarf, bring back The old ways to better battle this culture war.
Other wise I don't see Christianity surviving against this future, liberal, secular, Lgbt future that will eventually reach every home.
They need to make a historically accurate movie
The Hollywood overlords wouldn't allow it. Luckily we're seeing a rise in independent film studios, so maybe?
The truth hurts, especially for the christians. You can learn the truth by studying the history of free mason and how king richard made use of his people under the name of christianity, when its actually his own deep interest in black magic. Thats why, templars are closely related to magic until today.
It wouldn't be this one. The movie the uploader of this video gushes over is full of historical inaccuracies about Baldwin IV of Jerusalem.
He was a 15-year-old teenage king who watched his men fight for him. He became unable to ride a horse at age 16 due to having lost sensation in his arms and legs, soon losing his fingers and toes, then completely disabled until he died at the age of 24.
Not what this video represented, huh?
@@Thor.Jorgensenhe doesn’t really mention him but an actual historical movie with that fella would be nice
crusades or not, jesus was a devil pretending to be god and nothing else. reading the bible is enough for me to see it
For all the animosity involved, the crusades essentially showed a lot of Western European kingdoms the value of revitalizing eastern trade networks using the Italians as middle men, these networks brought Europeans back into contact with translated classical texts that were preserved during the golden age of Islam.
This video is incredible, great job man.
I'm no expert in history, Islam, Christianity, or much of anything. BUT I do know that my school system taught us about the Crusades, but never even so much as mentioned the Islamic Conquests. I think there is something seriously wrong with that. If we are gonna talk history, let's talk all of it, not just selective portions.
It what made me hate World History overall because they kept skipping important events. This is why I love the fact I went to seek my own understanding of history and told myself why didn’t they tell me about this in school?
If You are from the West, You’ll be educated in Western history that’s deemed relevant to You. There is a reason the Crusades have been part of Western educational curriculum for centuries. Don’t forget, the majority of the Western World were still practicing Christians up into the 20th century and the narrative most of Us were taught about the Crusades, was only that of pilgrimage and liberation. Only, that’s not entirely true. Funnily enough, the Muslim conquests into Europe aren’t interpreted w/in the Islamic World as being necessarily positive, particularly after the first Crusade.
Comparing how Our cultures interpret these events is both surprising and interesting. However, if You’re truly interested in learning about this part of history, watching Videos like the one We’re commenting on, is definitely not the place to start. I’d recommend learning about the religions and their denominations to begin with, that’ll give You a better understanding of things. ‘Usefulcharts’ & ‘Let’s talk Religion’ channels are good, credible and tangible sources of information on this topic.
The Crusades are basically the geo-political equivalent of "Mom, Timmy hit me back".
Looking up human evolution & migration of Europe and archaeology and then the mythology of each civilisation. Huge ass pieces of history have never been taught in schools.
All of it? Extremely impractical.
The recently converted vikings went on a crusade in 1100. king sigurd the first was the first king to personally join a crusade and not a single battle was lost during his travels
Just say norse please 😭
"Recently" lol by the 1000's a lot of them were already Christian even in Scandinavia. Even more-so in Normandy earlier where it barely took a generation.
My ancestors moved to Normandy, France from Denmark. At that point they ceased to be Vikings Normans (Normanni, Latin) settled in the upper north of France and the area became known as Normandy. Their king, Rollo became a vassal to the French king. They became fiercely Catholic and the popes employed them against infidels. Charles Martel fought with the Muslims and forced them out of France in a battle at Toulouse. They also went to Sicily and basically chased the Greek Orthodox Church out.
why is that a surprise? scandinavia was converted by the sword, the ones that weren't executed or took up the sword against their kin would naturally be drawn to this. the crusades within europe were however more barbaric than the ones in the levant
@bennyklabarpan7002 it was actually kings that convinced their people to convert. i mean, hell, sweyn folk beard converted, and he still acted like a pagan while the rest of his subjects were christian as missionaries came from Germany and started slowly converting to Christianity until they were all Christian so sweyn folk beard decided to convert as his people didn't like his pagan beliefs
The bizarre thing about scholars discussing history is that people from the West are held to much higher standards. If they commit an atrocity, it's an indelible spot on human history, but if someone from any other culture does the same it's either ignored, or there will be a lot of explaining as to why it happened and why we have to see it in context etc. It's almost as if the two sides are not seen as equally human.
This video does an amazing job in giving a clear image of the circumstances around the crusades, and justifies them very well, but I also think it proves the point that state and religion should be kept separate, not because of any one particular religion, but because of all of them. And that doesn't mean atheist either, but it just shouldn't be a factor in politics. Its best off when a government caters to all religious needs equally when possible, indiscriminate of how popular or appeasing a religion is to any individual or group. Otherwise we're not going to stop fighting about it period. It wont solve 90% of our problems but its a factor that causes so much unnecessary pain. In fact most of the religious texts I've read agree that judging another human is not up to the individual, and we should respect each others personal decisions instead of being arrogant and aggressive
To add further context, Mohammed himself had planned to attack Byzantium, but died in 632 before he was able to get there. The first siege of Constantinople began 42 years later in 674. By the time of the first Crusade in 1095, Muslim armies had been attacking the West for over 400 years before the European powers decided to counter attack. I think almost half a millennium of aggression is more than enough justification to take the fight to the enemy. The Europeans were definitely not the aggressors in this situation.
The crusade of Levant was actually a waste of time had they retaking Anatolia for the Byzantine or Egypt I think the crusade would last for long the levant is open bored hell hole the saljik . Ayoubid kurds abbasid fatimed it just hell
The Muslim-Byzantine relations became worse after the Ghassanids had killed the Prophet’s (PBUH) ambassadors which led to the first skirmish between the Muslims and the Byzantines in Mu’tah, 629 CE
@@grimmy7481 wait u sure isn't persia did this ?
I have been saying this for literally my whole life. By taking the 'Holy Land' back from the Muslims most Islamic military effort was focused on regaining it rather than attacking Christendom around the Mediterranean or through the Balkans. The almost 200 years gained (1099-1291) was crucial in enabling Europe to survive.
@@tvbopc5416survive what? muslim spain was around for centuries. how many wars did they have with the rest of europe?
founders of oxford studied there for crying out loud, stop painting an apocalypitic threat as if there was total war and christians were killed on sight
Christianity grew, when it was being persecuted… whereas Islam grew, when they were the persecutors.
You'll never guess what the europeans did when they arrived at the americas and sub-saharan africa.
he's talking about Christianity and Islam... pot kettle black much?@@ruzgar1372
@@ruzgar1372they built infrastructure
@@ruzgar1372Aye, they built missions, universities, etc. Oh, and they single-handedly brought an end to the millions of demonic, serpent-worshipping, human sacrificing Aztecs.
@@hurinthalion2571and millions died or were enslaved because they were not followers of the faith. Even then, there's no real reason why anyone would think building things leads to better lives. Better for some, sure, but if homelessness and diseases brought by civilisation are anything to go by, infrastructure is deadlier than whatever had been before by a huge margin.
Kingdom of Heaven does not paint the crusades and christianity as evil. It simply shows that reason and fanatism could be found on both sides.
I mean..... It depicted the Christian leadership as bloodthirsty, stupid and fanatical. While the Muslims were calm, collected and efficient.... It was quite a different depiction.
I liked your comment and agree somewhat, this is one of my favorite movies but there isn’t a single scene where the Muslims are portrayed negatively.
It's not fanatic to defend yourself. Islam starts wars then cry Islamophobia when people kill them back. Idc what you religion teaches, Jesus says we are all created in the image of God.
@@alexhamilton9913 There is a lot of scenes showing the terrible reality of their slave based society, like when the muslim official kill his slave trying to rob Balian's horse just for fun. Or how Saladin sacrifices many lives in the disastrous siege of Jerusalem.
When Saladin negociates with Baldwin, the young Caliph that confronts him waging war represents fanatism, just like the templars do. Both are blind and believe god will help them in genocide.
@@user-ps1tq5qf9p We are created in the image of god. We all, including arabs.
Not all muslims killed and made Jihad, just as not all christhians killed and crusade. Most people are peaceful and just want to live. Europeans cannot be called nazi just because Hitler came from there.
Always glad to see this video again on the sidebar
Imagine enduring centuries of Jihad and then people going "yeah the crusades? especially evil time in human history... imagine fighting people over religion."
I can almost imagine the faces of the crusaders both confused and angry in equal measure at the sheer ignorance of modern europeans on this matter
Imagine justifying being deranged scum with the existence of other deranged scum.
Christian's. Know most crusades were declared against other Christian's, right?
The video cherry picks the first few, but whether you're talking about Cathars in southern France or pagans in the Baltic, most crusades were either declared against groups not a threat to Christian lands or against fellow Christians.
@@danielporisch2676you mean the same cathars who where making ritual suicide?
Well crusades are waste literally also I know Christianty and Islam I mean Muslim ended after ottoman defeated byantizine the capital Constantine which ended it also why don't the guy mention the peace between sallhuddin and Baldwin also he hates Islam ofcourse he made this to justify crusades Templars killed all Muslims in Jerusalem I wish you respect brother I don't meant hate just explain he hates islam for jihad and terrorist
@@thefool1086 literally no written records exist of the Cathars themselves so, just like rumors of witchcraft in Salem, we should take any authirs possible motivation into account for context.
What we do know is that Langedouc had enjoyed more autonomy from the French crown before the Albegensian crusade and afterward was forced militarily to submit to the French crown, a major victory for the expansion of the French crown. A coincidence, then, that an Gnostic religion first recorded in Eastern Europe would have such a wellspring in southern France as to require a crusade....
The crusades should actually viewed as an amazing uniting conflict where many nations came together under a common cause to achieve something
...that failed
@@williamrobert9898 you didn’t watch the video huh
@@heyo1515 you think a random video will alter the reality that they failed huh?
@@williamrobert9898 🤣 LOL. Please let the butthurt Christians of this comment section live in a fantasy land where they think killing women and children and raping those who are left was a good thing. It’s funny to watch
@@heyo1515 They failed and crippled the Byzantines even more instead of helping them. (4th Crusade)
Anyone who understands history will acknowledge why the Crusades were necessary.
Great video! Thanks for making~
One small addendum: Christianity had spread to east Africa early like 50ad, and the kingdoms east and south of Egypt adopted Christianity as their official region about 100 before it became the official religion of the Roman Empire in the 320’s. They’re some of the oldest churches are in that region. But it is slightly different branch than became Catholicism.
Alot of people believe that ethiopia may have predated armenia as the first christian country very cool
People also forget about the many Christians that existed on the eastern side of the middle east and into Asia. Maybe not majorities or countries defined by Christianity, but they were there.
नमस्कार, क्या आपके दांत साफ होना संभव है? आप किन तरीकों का इस्तेमाल करते हैं?
We should also mention that in Rome there was a strong opposition and, even though the faithful had to go underground for many years, Christianity was there. When Christianity was officialised by the local states is not really relevant.
Both St. Paul and St. Peter went to Rome where they were both killed in 67ad. Peter had the authority given by Jesus to found His Church.
it's the Etiopian Church, who believes in the same principles as the Roman Catholic Church. The communion of the Saints and Mary, Images aren't idolatry but rather works of art to celebrate Christian Saints and God, etc. All these early christians have the same basically principles of the Roman Catholic Church because they are were founded by the Apostles of Christ, if I'm not mistaken it was Thomas who founded the Church of Etiopia.
From what I experienced, most Americans and Canadians think the crusades were terrible and have no idea what has happened prior to the crusades.
Modern education is a cesspool
You mean like the romans invading the Middle East? And North Africa or the Greeks before them or the Persians before them?
Most other Americans could not point out where the holy land is on a map so their foolish opinions dont matter in the slightest
@@charsikhan9753 none of those were holy wars, nor were they the cause of brutal islamic conquest.
@@connr8691 Not every Islamic conquest was a holy war either. Gullible commoners like you were stoked into a frenzy against “foreign” peoples throughout the ages. Rome did it, the Greeks did it, the British empire did it, the United does it. And what does it matter what the cause of conquest was? Whether political, economic, or religious in nature, conquest is conquest. Islamic conquests we’re generally benign to the natives, in comparison to western conquests in the east.
As for the “cause” of the initial conquests. You may want to fine tune your history knowledge. Both the Byzantine empire (what was left of rome) and the Persians had Arab lands and Arab vassals under their thumb. What you call the initials”Islamic” conquests are in fact Arab reconquests of their own territory.
Very interesting video. I never thought about crusades in that way
This was so good. Nice job
Forget this all, I want a crusader armor set of my own.
Me too
I agree too. 😊
I think there’s a sport in north America that does just that.
U get blunt weapons, real armors, and go crazy on a 1v1 or something up to 8v8.
Childhood come to life.
I literally wanted to sign up even before the video but now I definitely wished I could have fought to protect the holy land
@@HadiAnimations it's a medieval MMA place yea?
I remember my history teacher in high school very much pushed this idea about the crusades. he even lamented the fact that charles martel stopped the muslims from entering europe because that would have stopped europe from entering the dark ages. And then taking history in university I've pretty much learned the complete opposite when it comes to medieval history
Muslims attacked the west, then played the victim once the west responded.
Some things never change.
Then your teacher is crazy
Western civilization would have never gotten this far then
@@kyrptonite1825 we'd be 600 years behind
Charles Martel didn't do it against Islam btw, Islam was not even fully established, it was rapidely expanding and it was seen as another christian heresy. Muslims were doing razzias (raids) on Aquitaine region, and Martel stopped them in a battle that didn't seem so important for the muslims. Then he proceeded to raid Aquitaine too and sack many cities
Thank you for the video from France !
Its interesting you didnt mentioned the fact that upon retaking Jerusalem, On 15 July 1099, the crusaders made their way into the city through the tower of David and began massacring large numbers of the inhabitants, Muslims and Jews alike. Estimates go to around 40.000
I understand that was common for medievel armies to massacre sieged towns after taking them. Both Christians and Muslims alike. But it would be nice you would mention that, since you mentioned the killing of pilgrims! You should be a bit more impartial.
I'm pretty sure this is a biased video that wants to show why the Crusades were justified. He just didn't want to include the massacres made by Catholics, because this wasn't the topic he wanted to inform about.
Of course he didnt talk about that, that goes against the narrative he is trying to push
Thank you pax, as a Coptic Christian, I’m glad some one is talking input our history of persecution and all other Middle Eastern Christians. God bless
@@al-muwaffaq341 the Muslims were far worse. That’s like asking a Jewish person, would you rather live in Nazi Germany, or Rome? Of course I’m choosing Rome, even if they did suppress the Jews they weren’t nearly THAT bad in comparison!
You're funny bruh, coptic sect is the most prosecuted group before islam exist
@@nooneknowsidc literally before the Arabs conquered Egypt the Byzantines literally persecuted them and any other denomination of Christianity that wasn’t Orthodox. That’s why these people submitted and joined the Arabs.
haha, just remind me why did the Coptic betray the Byzantine multiple times..?
is it because they were persecuted?
The coptic and the semites were persecuted for racial and rhetoric beliefs wasn't it..?
Do you remember what happened to the pagan coptics by the romans and the christian coptics..?
@@al-muwaffaq341 Catholics that killed orthodox/copts or force-converted them were excommunicated from the church later on
I'm not from Europe, yet the crusades were never seen in a "bad light", they were seen and teached as the Christian response to the Islamic agressions, but even with that, it is great to see a video that talks about it in depth.
(I'm not from Arabia, but the terrorist bombing attacks were never seen in a "bad light", they were seen and teached as the Muslim response to Christian aggression) imagine if a Muslim said that, you hippocrates would went crazy
Where you from, man?
@@Jebusmike3 Colombia, like, the South American country, not to be confused with the many Columbias that exist.
@@lore9828 Right on, I'm actually very glad the crusades are being taught rightly down there. Love from North America 🙏
@@lore9828 Here in México there's a lot of propaganda against the crusades, against the catholic church in general.
I’m a proud Christian. But please say Christian not only catholic. I’m Lutheran and honestly I feel more connected with you catholics than other Protestants. I often thought of becoming catholic but I love my community. I can’t just give up on them. So please don’t be one of those haters.
Love you brother
Thank you for the eye opener.
I'm not even Christian, and this video still spoke to me. Love this video!
Your LDS?
LDS are Christians though, just not Nicene Christians
@@pjthehomelessmage i know, but he had a beehive that resembled the Utah Flag one, so i was asking.
@@Hibblesonk My profile picture is the cropped flag of Utah because it's my favourite flag
@@pjthehomelessmage gnostic occultists are christians too i guess
I loved crusaders when I was little but then as I got a bit older, I found out that they sacked Constantinople in 1204, that one sack decimated the Eastern Roman Empire and ultimately weakened them enough that they fell in 1453. Eastern Roman was one of my favourites. Christians attacking Christians, killed and looted their own brothers.
religion is not inherently bad, but it can be used for evil purposes by evil people,
The same goes for its good side,
a knife can be used just as much for consuming food as it can be to stab somebody.
Someone once said (I think it was Nietzsche): "God is dead", yes he was right, we let capitalism and secularisation and satanic worshippers let god die, because god resides within every human's heart and soul.
And just look at what the world has become today ( a chessboard ) and compare it to back then, no matter the technology and barbaric practices, can't really call our world any better today :>.
Thank you someone reasonable being a christian like myself and liking the crusades are two very different things the Byzantine called for help the pope scammed a bunch of poor people promising they could go to heaven very fucked. They massacred people from Europe more then the damn turks the modern pope is pretty good but back then the papacy was an oppressive system used for powergrabs.
I came to this video to say the same. Such a huge loss of history with how badly the city was pillaged and looted.
evidence of human greed throughout history regardless of religion
@@iBacon the best way to put it
Amazes me people can't understand the double standards, one man's pirate is another man's mercenary. Both sides caused suffering to all people's.
With everything that's been going on these days, especially on how violent and things haven't really change on the other side. We need the crusade back now, more than ever.
Ive often wondered how things wouldve been different during the third crusade if barbarossa hadnt died and the french hadnt abandoned richard the lionheart. Its amazing he had any success on his own against saladin
The Lionheart truly earned his name and was a true Champion of The Faith.
You're thinking of the third crusade, not the second.
@@anonnymousperson oops thanks i got my crusades mixed up lol
I only recognize these names thanks to Age of Empires 2 xD
The Lionheart NEVER lost a battle to Saldin...
my cultural teacher was demonising Christianity and I am a believer in Christ I
was not able to defend my faith but now that I have the information thank you good sir for helping me find a way to open the eyes of my classmates
There is no such thing as a just war and if you think Jesus would accept any war then you are insane
"demonizing Christianity" lol get real. christians have done terrible things in the name of Jesus. many would argue they brought it upon themselves with their own actions.
@@dlemon9016I think the Bible says if you are being forced to go against what the Bible says, then you can break that law. This might be an extension of that.
In addition, the conquering of Jerusalem was a just war, as were the other wars David waged in the Old Testament
You're obviously not a very good christian if you couldn't even defend your faith from some woke professor
@@dudebro91-fn7rz I mean, if they’re a professor I’m sure theyve had a long time to gather evidence and examples against you, and that could be hard to combat at the beginning.
Eg. the genocide in the Old Testament(which was acceptable because the people were offspring of demons so they weren’t actual humans, but you wouldn’t know that without context)
After watching that video, I just saw a lot of good points for the Crusades, I honestly think that they are pretty dope now. However, I think it might have been good to mention that the first Crusade did have a lot of pillaging as well on the Crusaders side, As well as the fact that the five main leaders of that Crusade weren’t really organized well and couldn’t always agree on what to do, I also wish That’s the person who made this video talked about Saladins Mercy to Christians. However, all these points Relatively justified for him to argue against I just wish she mentioned them so then other people wouldn’t just go in the comments and say “well Actually, salidin was a really dope man who spared Jerusalem and the Crusaders were going to go and kill everyone”
"Saladins Mercy to Christians."
I guessing you are mentioning the incident of Saladin conquering Jerusalem. It was most likely political decision to pacify the newly conquered land so that you can maintain the area while your military expand to new area. Saladdin was not actually a peaceful invader instead he did many things that was cruel and bloodthirsty. He was not definitely merciful to Christians. But then again it was the norm of the medieval warfare just like 'pillaging' was also the normal part of medieval conquest.
Very good explanation, you just earned a sub.
I cannot put into words how grateful I am, in this age where the hatred for Christianity is high and deadly you have have been given me a glimpse hope and a breeze of fresh air! Thank you!
muslims failed in battle to conquer europe ..but they did it with refugee NGOs...time to rise again
the hatred for christianity is high because the people around christians are starting to mirror them.
I wonder if he would ever discuss the hatred against atheists. He low-key already blamed the movie on atheists, following the "atheist atrocities" trope.
Furthermore, one atrocity does not justify another atrocity. This is the strategy that is being used to recruit neo-nazis. Claiming that Germany was wronged and, thus, their following actions were justified.
Consider this: They were both wrong and horrible to each other, led on by religious rivalry.
@@Thor.Jorgensenyou forget that Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and other communist leaders were all atheists as atheism was integral to communism.
@Thor Jørgensen exactly brother amen. Both were assholes but it's cool rich history so we should all just take it in and learn . Not squabble and argue as if we were actually there.
As a Greek and a historian, I can safely say that this interpretation of the Crusades is not so present here in my country - Somewhat encounterable on the societal level, but certainly not on the academic level whatsoever. Our cultural heritage aligns with the Byzantine/Eastern-Roman Empire, which at the outbreak of the Crusades had been slowly losing territory first to the Fatimid and later Seljuk Empires for well over a century at least. As mentioned, the reason the Crusades even took place is because Emperor Alexios called upon Christendom in the West for help in a losing war when the Seljuks were nearly at the gates of Constantinople. In their own way, the Crusades were simply another phase of the Byzantine-Seljuk Wars. Our own cultural point-of-view is one that disproves the more modern western interpretation of the Crusades.
I'm not aware of any other culture so full of self-loathing as modern western countries. It's bizarre.
I am a bit taken aback by this video, because it makes this interpretation of the Crusades as mainstream, but even in the West (US) this is not a very academically-rigorous interpretation.
there were many crusades
@Byzantine Historian From what I see, here in Greece people see the crusades as a very positive thing, those who know a little more dislike the 4th crusade for obvious reasons
But generally speaking we Greeks think the crusades were cool
Europe would be Islamic if not for the crusades, I'm an atheist but I can appreciate wanting to hold on to culture and way of life.They did what they thought they should, and was the only time in history Europeans stopped fighting each other for a time and made relations between Christian nations much less hostile.
As a Muslim, I acknowledge that Muslims have committed atrocities and we are now in the twenty-first century and we must not allow hatred and malice to control us.
As a Muslim I love and respect Christianity and must strive for love and peace.
True that. We've always fought so much. It's time we live together in peace. Much respect ✝️❤☪️
I'm pretty sure that most people (at least the sane ones) recognize that the majority of muslims fall into the same category as you.
Sadly, the majority does not matter.
15- 25% of muslims world-wide seem to find it perfectly acceptable (or even willing to do it themselves) to commit acts like school-bus bombings, stoning or murdering non-believers just to name a few.
And even if the majority completely condems such acts....with about 1.2 billion total muslims worldwide that still leaves a LOT of very un-peaceful ones.
Watch "Benghazi Accountability Coalition Event" Brigitte Gabriel speaking if you want reference.
Peace in this life means nothing if it is followed by suffering in the next.
I respect your right to believe what you will, but I pray that you accept Jesus Christ.
@@christopherbravo1813 We believe in Jesus, Mary, John the Baptist and Elias, but personally I find Christianity a beautiful religion
@@user-pt1xb2wt5t I'm glad to hear it!
That being said, if you haven't read the Bible before I recommend giving it a read. Heck, even if you *have,* I encourage you to read it again. I'm currently doing so and finding a whole lot of details I missed before.
The amount of grifting for Islam is deafening in this chat.
And this video isn't a massive grift for Christianity, based on limited sources and laughable oversimplifications?
@@letterman6546don’t tell them that, they’ll cry
@@letterman6546
limited sources? are you serious? the Islamic scriptures brag about how they defeated Christians and took their land in 3 different continents.
I suggest reading about the slave trade during the Islamic expansions.
@@loomi1481how is it a grift, when its the truth
@@loomi1481This video summarizes as good as possible, youre just an indoctrinated atheist or a muslim.
I am Armenian, and due to church records I know that I am related to Levon I the Magnificent , who was the ruler of Armenian Cilicia, one of the main Allies of Western Europe during the crusades. I have lots of stories passed down that I could share too. Overall pretty neat stuff and it’s sad almost 0 Armenians live in Cilicia these days. I also speak western / Cilician Armenian , the Constantinople dialect to be exact, which is unfortunately almost extinct. I’m really glad you mentioned Armenian Cilicia in this video. 💪💪
You should start your own CZcams channels
Make sure you write it down. The most important words. The ancient words. And the terms. It is important. I did the same for some archaic North Norwegian words. And it turns out, I find them in Norse dialects all over Scandinavia now. Language is our history, so remember it! Much love from Norway!
Pretty cool.
Armenia's story is one of the most tragic, yet inspiring in history. The fact your nation still remains is a testament to God's grace.
I hope your people manage to preserve your history and culture long into the future, God be with ye.
Thank you for this - so sick of feeling pressured to apologize for Christian history by atheist ‘intellectuals’ - notice how they never direct their ire at Islam?
I'm an atheist and i hate both Islam and Christianity. And we are many. But of course people like would always conveniently ignore the existence of people like me, you prefer to point at the low hanging fruits, the easy targets that feed your narrative.
They always have direct ire at islam
And the crusades were 100% atrocities that shouldnt have happened doing a minute worth of research tells you
you dont have to apologize for other ppls actions, Islam aswell, but you have to agree this video is very biased and pro-christian that's why you like it, you can tell by the tone and adjectives used for the opposing side
@@Mercury-1820 I wonder what would be the pro-Muslim stance. Muslims where those who did not belong there, they should have expected other war lords to go against them. They are fighters, waged wars from the beginning. Wars are nasty. And you reap what you sow, I guess. The Crusades shouldn't have happened, too many people died. But the Muslim conquest of those lands shouldn't have happened too. See? Even after 1400 years, people are needlessly dying there, including little children and women. The Muslims should have stayed in Medina and spread peacefully. Peace would have been part of the religion and even if they reached as far as Jerusalem, nobody would fight. And if they have fought, that wouldn't have been Islam§s fault.
@@Mercury-1820 they keep deleting xommentsr
Vatican needs to release their books and artifacts to the rest of the world. These treasures hold cultural and historical significance, and could foster appreciation for diverse cultures and beliefs for the rest of the world. Opening access to the rest of the world would encourage collaboration among scholars, which would certainly lead to new discoveries coming from a new point of view. It would also introduce the church to many new people that otherwise are not interested, knowing how predatory they are, that seems like the biggest benefit to the Vat.
/rantover
Muslims: (Advancing on the western side of Europe)
Iberian Kingdoms: No, the fuck you don't!
(Battle of Navas of Tolosa)
Muslims: Okay, okay, we will try to through somewhere else.
Richard Lionheart: You sure about that?
As a Hispanic Latin Christian , I can tell you my Peninsular ancestors were more than justified in their struggle to liberate their homeland from foreign Pagan invaders .The Crusade was a restablishment of sovereignty against an agressive foreign presence .
And think of all the splendor of the Ancient World that was erased by the Islamic invasion .The Latin and Hellenistic speaking groups in Western Asia , the Coptics , the Armenians and many more Christian cultures and cities of old .And they complain about the Crusades as unjustified .
Well the Caliphate of Cordoba allowed christians to worship what they wanted, plus they brought great wealth and development to the land
@@superspy-xv9sx
1- Under the Jizyah humilliation and more than common killings .
2- The great wealth of al-Andalus was mostly propaganda and for the Arabs , no one else , not even the Berbers .
@@oolooo Well how were they able to build so much amazing architecture then? Plus, the Caliphate was also split off from most of the rest of the Arab world
@@superspy-xv9sx
That "amazing Architecture" was post al-Andalus , during the Taifah of Granada .And it was still Islamic .
@@oolooo The Cordoba Mosque?
I read a history book on the crusades, and it covered every crusade in very deep detail.
Ever since then, I have been waiting for something like this to finally enter public view.
Edit: I finally found the name of the book. “God’s Battalions: The Case for the Crusades”
What’s the book called?
@@ctl9139 I found it, “God’s Battalions: The Case for the Crusades”
@@howdydobuckeroo1204 thank you!
Nice thank you brother I'll have to read this.
I want something more.A new crusade to drive the mongrels even further Islam is disgusting they only bring pain and suffering upon this world the Greek empire brought civilization and wealth whereas the Islamic people only know how to destroy.
Outstanding and very well put together.
Dwell on the past and blame someone else. That's the path to happiness.
As a Muslim myself, the context in this video does show why the crusades really occurred. It is understandable if Muslims put themselves in the shoes of the Christians living at that time. Both Christians and Muslim warriors over the centuries have committed atrocities unfortunately, but it is always nice looking at the positives of generally negative events in history. I also appreciated the efforts of Emperor Frederick II showing true diplomacy in the sixth crusade. Great job Pax Tube, subscribed! Greetings from Dubai 🇦🇪
Most Muslims see the Crusade as a war of Christian aggression against Islam but they forgot that Islam was spread by the conquest of Christian land (and the Sassanid Persia). Perhaps it's this one-sided view of history that causes Muslims youth more susceptible to extremism as they see what happens in the modern world (war, civil conflict and poverty in Muslim countries) as a continuation of the Crusade by the "West".
It is nice to see that we as humans can still respect each other despite religious differences.
As a Muslim I say your either ignorant or submissive.
Dude both were on the wrong, the only ones who trully suffered were the true religious. There wasnt a positive at all, only petty leaders in search of conquest manipulating the people and leading us astray from Allah
Good work on being informed of both perspectives. I've never met humans who are wholly bad or wholly good. We're all fallible, contradictory and complex at various points.
It always amuses me when one-time tyrants and conquerors cry and whinge when the tables turn.
Facts
what do you mean by that
Just like Xerses.
💯💯💯 The fallen tyrants are the biggest "victimes."
They are crying loudest when it's pay- back time.
@camaradacamarada1620 What Christian countries are
claiming to be victims exactly?
Couldn't help but notice you
didn't include any specific
information in your comment
hahahaha 🐁
I wish this truth were more widely understood.
Thank you for presenting this truth.
Some kings were good, other kings were trash, some spared everyone, others killed everyone, thats what happened and still happens today, but now, no one cares...
I am an atheist as well (like Ridley Scott) and in my humble opinion, the way the history of the Crusades is portrayed by modern society is one of the most shameful retcons of reality I can think of. It's disgusting that the Muslim Conquests are simply not mentioned AT ALL by those purporting to TEACH this era of history. It's sickening.
Because they worship Satan, and the world is manipulated by Satan.
Literally is the reason.
Mohammad with Satan speaking in his ear fabricated a belief attempting to take the Jewish God for themselves and then also portray in the same book that Christ is not his Son... Extremely heavily focuses on trying to disprove or twist what Jesus Christ Did/said. I know your atheist as you said so it will look like mumbo jumbo to you.
And as it should to be fair, the common sense mind wont believe in Christ easily. But do take alook.
I am a devout catholic but above all i value reason truth science and fact as i think god wanted it that way and i just wanted to say thank you for your un biased opinion
Sure you are bud, sure you are. Spoken like a true theist masquerading as an atheist. There is zero reason for someone who doesn't believe in the Christianity or Islam to condone or condemn either side unless there is already an inherent or inherited bias against one or the other.
@@tempestseraphim5457 doesn't have to be Christian or Islamic reasons. I know the history of the period. In shorthand, Islam started it. It's of course more complicated than that, but no one is interested in any context at all. Christians are simply blamed for being more evil when in reality, there was PLENTY of evil to go around.
@@tempestseraphim5457 It's just a war. I (an atheist) don't support it, but the way it's retconned to evil christians fighting good muslims makes no sense. It's just ideology vs ideology.
It is unfortunate that this period of history is massively misunderstood. Especially in the US. You get next to know education on the socio-cultural dynamics of the time, and virtually nothing at all on early Islam. Thank you for such an informative video, hopefully people learn something.
Next to no. You just hurt my soul. I am from Ohio, and I learned what this man is saying in school!
>next to know
Yep, American indeed.
@@StahlmetallerM We, are not all, that uneducated in America.
@@StahlmetallerM our public education system is designed to create morons who care about nothing more than social issues, that way they ferociously and blindly support those social issues without understanding it
but most@@kborak
God be with you, Pax.
"Defenders of the West: The Christian Heroes Who Stood Against Islam" by Ibrahim is a great easy read on the subject!
I highly recommend it
You'd think the religious conflicts like the Spanish civil war, Russian revolution and subsequent civil war, Chinese civil war, Cambodian genocide, and even recent conflicts in Africa where leftists/Muslims all come of looking worse would rank higher
And also, the Mexican revolution was much, much worse
Islam spread the government authority not religion necessarily. There is no force conversation. Up until Ottoman 16th century Christians are still majority population in Egypt and Levant for example.
Bro, there is absolutely no reason for the Crusades not to mention Muslims have laws of war and especially in early days and more especially before the turks as the turks where learning Islam yet as u read about first Caliphate and first and only true Caliphs rules and laws and speeches about war, they didn't do the things Byzantium or normal armies at the time do. Also they don't force convert people infact they didn't want the people to quickly switch and funded their religious institutions to keep them religious and close to Abrahamic religions as well so they can keep paying taxes as Muslims are untaxable in Islam my a Muslim government (Only non-muslim pay 10% tax on income, and rich Muslims pay 2.5% special tax on wealth that goes only to special box which used for only in 99% of the time on social warfare and development to Muslims whom unfortunate and in need as first priority and non-muslims if there is still a reminder especially the special need ones. Force conversation is prohibited in Islam and who does it is to be executed. We don't want hectics. Islam gives alot of power to the individual so a hectic can do alot of damage if wanted to.
Not to mention the fight was against Byzantium only. Western Europe has nothing to do with it. Because Byzantium is a threat that never agreed to peace.
Even the ottomans didn't want to go feather than they already did into Europe Byzantium areas after Constantinople threat was dealt with and sended the important religious stuff to the Pope of Cathlsoim and asked for peace the Pope replied with another Crusade and Holly League.
Up until 17th century Egypt and Levant where still Christian majority population.
The Muslims spread their government authority first not religion. Islam give non-muslims full autonomy and their own laws and courts as miny representative government in each region with their own areas and some where Christian lead cities. But people overtime in centuries naturally by their own free will choose to converted/revet to Islam.
Islam protects belief and religion more than atheists and liberalism and philosophy does. Freedom of religion is just a mask to strip religion in name if freedom.
Jews had 2 golden ages in Muslim world alongside tge Muslim one and migrateed to the Muslim world from Europe under European church organization and kings and lords threats ,as well public misbehavior and undermine of their rights and respect.
We have and had human rights/responsibilities and ,animal rights and human responsibility to them: before the west did in many centuries. Even slavery prohibited amongst Muslims. A Muslim cannot make another Muslim a servant. By the way their laws on serventship and serventship is not like slavery. Slavery by English understanding is prohibited in Islam. Servant have rights protected by the state and it is contract. If those rights crossed the gov punishes. Servants and masters must eat on same table and wear on same level of cloths as well being respected.
Iberia was an exception ,as well has a background. Then the skirmish attack on France was an example of it is own. Once abone time. It was a political move stemped from an imperial pov. As Abasised rising as well political termoal Ummayads loosing control they thought this will hlep because it is an eassy target and it was until it wasn't.
Ok, first one maby ok - but what about the third? Forget that. What about the fourth and ones after. What about the culture it created? What about non-holy land Crusades?
Why did they force convert and genocided some trabes and other crimes in Germany? What about the killing of Unitarian/Arianis Christians?
The crusaders in first crusade killed even Christians and what about 4th crusade body?
Does Hod allow genocide in Jerusalem in Christianity?
Did the Muslims do that before the Christians and did the church organization condom that. The one commonder that did a similar thing was havely condomed and criticized by the historians of the time and other commanders in Muslim world.
What about the racism and lieing Popes did to their population, about Islam Muslims and Mohammad propaganda? Saying somtimes they are atheists, and sometimes pagines and sometimes worship Mohammad or somtimes Saying they worship the moon or moon God ect.... The Pope and organization knows what they doing. How is Jesus is blond with blue eyes?
The entire thing is a big fat lie.
About the war first Caliphate had with Byzantium and Persia: that was nesseery and justified politically and economically as both sides showed no respect and enmity early own before Muslims do anything. Their was few disagreements and fighting skirmishs before. It was mainly because the Persian power havely disrespected the prophet and arabs also did injustices to arabs in their rule plus they supported the rebellion against Caliphate government in Arabia with their resources. Then geographically then had to at some point to attack Byzantium too to win, or they lose.
Not to mention most of the locals fought with the Arab Muslims against their overloads including Christians against Byzantium. Also in Crusade many local Christians suded with Muslims against Europeans. Not to mention catholics are not in good term with Orthodox Christians.
That map is the map on Rome. Iraq/Mesopotamia had very little Christians. Not to mention Christians civil war and half of the population made hectic. Arius Vs Athanasius anyone. What about Unitarianism and Ariusim ? What about the jews ? What about the pagines ? That area wasn't fully Christian. Also as I said Islam spread the government power and didn't force conversation. The area was majority non-muslim ruled by Muslims for centuries until Ottoman times where it got equal and then at thee endeding 2 centuries Muslims become the majority in Egypt and Levant for example.
@@ailediablo79 up to this day the majority of muslin countries are straight up dictatorships who persecute anything else, get your shit together
@@ailediablo79 "Don't want to force people to convert."
It's spelt out in the sharia.
Trying to deny that along with what aboutism is dishonest.
Keep coping it's absolutely barbaric, at least the pope excommunicated the crusaders in the 4th crusade.
@@vaderkurt7848 .... it is absolutely a fact that force conversation is prohibited. Trying to convince people is no force conversation. Bro you are so ignorant about Islamic jurisprudences and history especially early history of first Caliphate. It is not in Islam to force convert. It creats more problems than it solves. It is even super clearly stated in the Quran and by Prophet Mohammad sayings. Infact Ummayads for example rejected people conversation so they can still tax them.
Read history you ignorant.
@@ailediablo79 o9.8 The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first
invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social
order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4)-which is the significance of their
paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues)
until they become Mlim or else pay the non-Mslim poll tax
o9.0 JIHAD
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada
signifying warfare to establish the religion
Ya I am not really in a mood to entertain blatant denial or asinine defenses.
Read some history.
One group you failed to mention who were instrumental in the Crusades were the "Italians" and Sicilians (I put quotes because Italy did not exist at the time). Venice, the Papal states around Rome and of course the Sicilians (recently under the Normans) were the transporters and fighters since they knew the Mediterranean region and how to navigate supplies by boat (i.e. through Messina).
Another group who was instrumental in the liberation of Jerusalem from the muslim invaders was the Maronites . No one mentions them
Yeah but the Venetians also destroyed Byzantium in the fourth crusade
Not to mention any blow to Islam meant less raids on their lines lands and lines of commerce.
I mean there was the title of king of Italy but I get your point.
@thequacken6301 they fucking destroyed the greatest Christian city in the entire world and 100% opened the doors to Ottoman expansion later on. They almost ended Christianity by doing that. It's very plausible Vienna is taken and Islam keeps marching.
Surprised to see this has 2.3 million views. Good work.
My country (Bulgaria) ceased to exist for 500 years under ottoman slavery. Ever since our liberation in 1878, contempt for arabs and muslims has been passed down from each generation.
Our Turkish neighbors definitely have different morals now, but their ottoman ancestors are still in power.
Westerners' blind hard-on for muslims is willfully ignorant.
Bulgars nomadics and slavs came to modern day bulgaria and thrace slightly before islam aswell, not that long, just cope with it
500 ''slavery'' is propaganda from the communist bulgaria who justified persecution of non bulgarians
If you are speaking your mother tongue and not Turkish, and if you are Christian and not Muslim, today that means you were under no assimilation nor slavery. The only thing that the Ottomans did to Christians, was tax them extra and had conscription during wars. Just like most countries today.
@@attilanation676Uh-huh, sure. I would advise you to look into all the massacres, that took place in my country, during the "ottoman occupation".
Ottomans were entitled to everything Bulgarians owned, took Bulgarian children at an early age to recruit them as janissary, and punished any act of non-obedience with beatings, imprisonment, and death.
I speak Bulgarian, however, 1/3 of our words are turkish.
You want to turn a blind eye, it's up to you to be willfully ignorant.
@@petresko1041 they took 1 of 2 boys from a family. Yes I understand that this is horrible but you have to admit that the janissaries had a lot of say in politics and military of the Ottoman Empire, and they were all educated in many languages and I know that even alot of those janissaries became grand vezirs of the Ottoman Empire.