The CONTROVERSY Between Chuck Noll and Gary Anderson | 1985 Steelers
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- Special teams might be the most important phase in the game. Chuck Noll didn't seem to think that way, though. And in 1985, after back-to-back losses because of poor special teams play, Pittsburgh Steelers kicker Gary Anderson called him out on this, leading to an ugly controversy and back-and-forth between the two parties. This is the story of the drama of the 1985 Steelers, and the feud between one of the greatest coaches of all-time and one of the greatest kickers of all-time.
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Players on the 1985 Steelers:
Scott Campbell
Mark Malone
David Woodley
Walter Abercrombie
Rich Erenberg
Frank Pollard
Steve Morse
Todd Spencer
Louis Lipps
Frank Pokorny
John Stallworth
Calvin Sweeney
Weegie Thompson
Bennie Cunningham
Preston Gothard
Darrell Nelson
Emil Boures
Glen Howe
Tunch Ilkin
Terry Long
Ray Pinney
Randy Rasmussen
Pete Rostosky
Ray Snell
Mike Webster
Blake Wingle
Craig Wolfley
Mark Catano
Gary Dunn
Keith Gary
John Goodman
Edmund Nelson
Darryl Sims
Keith Willis
Gregg Carr
Robin Cole
Bryan Hinkle
Bob Kohrs
David Little
Mike Merriweather
Fred Small
Dennis Winston
Chris D. Brown
Harvey Clayton
Dave Edwards
Donnie Shell
John Swain
Anthony Tuggle
Sam Washington
Eric Williams
Dwayne Woodruff
Rick Woods
Mike Webster
Gary Anderson
Harry Newsome
Alan Andrews
Mark Behning
Dwayne Hooper
Dan Turk
Chuck Noll (head coach)
Art Rooney (chairman)
Dan Rooney (president)
Tom Moore (offensive coordinator)
Tony Dungy (defensive coordinator) - Sport
When I was a kid I ran into Gary Anderson outside Three Rivers before a game and asked for his autograph. He stopped, signed and chatted for a minute even though I’m sure he had other things on his mind. Super nice guy, very quiet. If he spoke out like that, he had to be really furious! (“Emperor” Noll, as Myron Cope called him, was a stubborn dude for better or for worse. Lol)
Dude that's Awesome! It's not everyday you run into a bonafide legend and find out thier an awesome person. That's the kind of stuff that'll make you a fan for life of somebody!
Gary Anderson signed autographs at Target for the employees when I worked there in 1999. He was very nice and soft spoken.
He was very nice in each of three times I met him. I just said, "hi," and said I was a fan. Twice I added that he's welcome to join the Packers anytime (both times their kicker was good, Ryan Longwell and Chris Jacke, but neither was nearly comparable to Gary) yeah, the first time I met him, I asked how soon he could be on a flight to Green Bay, this was in 1988 when the kicker was the very forgettable Max Zendejas. Each time he laughed, and each time he said he would enjoy kicking in Green Bay, even with the wind and cold, and remarked that the community was always very friendly (right up to the moment he put his helmet on, "exactly how your fans SHOULD BE,") and the scenery was beautiful and reminded him of parts of his childhood. Each time he offered to sign an autograph and each time I just thanked him and said I wasn't an autograph collector but that I was just a fan of how he goes about his business on the field. He seems like a person who conducted himself with class off of the field. Just a really good guy from what I can tell and definitely a Hall of Famer at his position
Chuck Noll was a good coach...but sheesh switching from Noll to Cowher was probably the best feeling for players played for both of them
By the time Noll’s time with the Steelers came to an end, he was a shell of himself… for a long time. For the exception of the run to the AFC Championship Game against the Dolphins, the 80s and early 90s were a surprisingly mediocre time for the Steelers. The league was starting to catch up to them, more so than they did in the 70s.
@@cityhawk if a team wasnt in a large city they weren't doing ish
Especially if they were in the AFC
The irony was that the special teams struggled just as much under Bill Cowher. Prime example was in the 2001 AFC Championship game - Steelers gave up two touchdowns on special teams which ultimately cost them a trip to Super Bowl XXXVI.
4 SUPERBOWLS and Noll is a good coach?😄
Try GREAT.
@@michaelclyburn5858 A dynasty he built himself through the draft after by hired by the league's worst team.
And as a follow-up, Chuck Noll's inability to change and lack of flexibility to get a special teams coach is unbelievable, since he was such a great coach... but he completely discarded 1/3 of the game in special teams practicing and preparation. Shocking for such a detail oriented coach on offense and defense
In two straight drafts, there was a Gary Anderson selected!! 1982 by the Steelers, the subject of this video, kicker Gary Anderson. And in 1983, RB Gary Anderson by the San Diego Chargers!! Who signed with the USFL's Tampa Bay Bandits instead, sued his agent for misrepresentation, during the trial his lawyer thought he was illiterate, and then finally signed with the San Diego Chargers. How about a video on that Gary Anderson?
There was two Roy Williams, too. And both were teammates on the Cowboys in 2008.
Vividly remember this game & the controversy. Local media had been turning on Chuck Noll, who didn’t like media getting too close, & they were frustrated that he refused to draft Dan Marino in 1983 & then Marino’s Dolphins beat the Steelers in the 1984 AFC title game. The media theme was the game had passed by Noll & they were always looking for a way to criticize him. Sometimes, like here, it was valid. Add that to the fact that media in other markets could get coaches fired & the mid to late 1980s were interesting as the Steelers declined. Noll put together a good team at the end of his coaching tenure & retired at the end of the 1991 season & Bikl Cowher was hired. Many of us Steelers fans have only had 3 head coaches since we were born. 😀
I think Marino would've been a bust had the Steelers drafted him. The team knew he'd be following Bradshaw and with him being both the hometown boy and being a known partier with heavy drug use, felt it was best he went elsewhere.
That being said, you couldn't predict what happened to Gabe Rivera was gonna happen. But Marino would've caved to the pressure of being the hometown kid following a legend.
@@guiseppe8032 Marino always denied drug usage but yes there were rumors & being a hometown guy on a pro tram can be rough. Don Shula recommended Chuck Noll for the Steelers job so I’d like to think that Noll would’ve treated Marino fairly & the fans would’ve recognized talent. But I do understand the points that you made. 😀
@@r.williamcomm7693 yeah, just ask Dwayne Haskins how that worked out for him in Washington. Ironic how he's in Pittsburgh now. I think he'll do better with Mike Tomlin anyways, he's more of a player's coach and brings out the best in players with off-the-field issues. No knock on Ron Rivera, of course. But Tomlin has a better track record with guys like Haskins.
Gary Anderson belongs in the Hall of Fame. So does Chuck Nolll, but this showed what four VLTs and a loyal ownership will buy you. Other coaches would have been fired after this and the Dwayne Woodruff incident.
Also, ironic that the Steelers last special teams indignity that year came at the hands of the Chargers.
Great video--The way you laid out the context leading up to the controversy was outstanding. Really outstanding story-telling in this video.
When George Allen coached Washington, he had a sign hanging in the locker room saying "We expect our Special Teams to win at least four games this season". This in a 14 game season. And they had one of the best Special Teams in the league.
Was this before or during Mark Moseley?
@@Jiltedin2007 Before. Curt Knight was the team's kicker.
Allen was also the first NFL head coach to hire a special teams coordinator, Dick Vermiel, for the Rams in 1969. HTTR!
I respect George Allen, but this is just a dumb statement. If we look at 1972, the year he went to the SB (I doubt the stats are much different in any given year back then) there were 1,610 punts 817 FGA, 832 XPA and about 1,700 kickoffs (had to estimate this, PFR doesn't have league KO data for that year). Less than 5,000 total ST plays compared to over 22,000 plays from scrimmage. Less than 19% of plays were "special"
Even if you assume that special teams plays matter as much as a regular play (they don't, XPA's and punts are mostly random and fungible) there is no way that a team could expect 4 extra wins out of a 14 game schedule. That would be 28.5% of a season decided on only 19% of the plays. It's even worse than it sounds. To be 4 games better, the special teams would have to account for more than just the extra games you won. It would also account for any wins your opponent might get from ST.
@@bubbafug00gle51 . Nice stats. Also a completely ridiculous take that exposes a lack of understanding of how actual NFL games work. Teams win or lose on special teams. Look no further than the Ravens winning in Detroit, or the Packers against San Francisco. That's literally two games off the top of my head from Week 3 that were won on special teams. Special teams is unquestionably as important as offense and defense, and you can and should win several games a year with your special teams coming through.
As good as Chuck Noll was imagine if he had actually put some solid effort into getting the Special Teams into shape, he might have had 7 or 8 Super Bowl rings instead of 4.
This criticism came from a kicker, but did any of his starters come to him and voice their complaints?
Gary Anderson was right, but to Coach Noll’s credit, he didn’t get rid of Anderson. Anderson remained a Steeler until 1994, outlasting Noll, who left after the 1991 season.
Scott Campbell is one of those names that always turns up in these crazy ‘80s stories…
It's importance cannot be OVERstated.
Haha, yeah. Virtually every video of his I ask myself if I should comment on that or not.
If Gary Anderson thought the Steelers special teams were bad in 1985, wait until they get to 1988
How do you have six blocked punts in one season
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 welcome to Dumb (punting) Decisions
On the opposite end, the 1986 Chiefs made it to the playoffs mainly because of their special teams. As a matter of fact, they beat the Steelers that year where every point they scored was on special teams.
I was going to mention that game; it was the regular season finale in which the Chiefs needed to win to get in. The Steelers outgained the Chiefs 515-171, yet all three of Kansas City's touchdowns came via the special teams. That's worth a video in itself.
tagryn's channel has the GOTW version of that game.
Beat me to it lol; aside from that game, didn't that 86 Steelers team set some kind of bad ST record? I think they had a ton of punts blocked...
@@SteelerFanInRI The Chiefs were VERY good at ST that year... Albert Lewis and Deron Cherry were punt blocking machines.
@@MilsurpMikeChannel True, but I was talking about the Steelers, not the Chiefs...it was the 88 team I was thinking about anyway that set the record for having the most punts blocked in a season; lmao imagine having a game like that against the Chiefs and being even worse two years later 🤣
Frank Ganz was the special teams coach then. Maybe the best special teams coach ever. That guy could work magic. He may have then became the Chiefs head coach.
IIRC, I read something that a couple of years after this game, Noll essentially was forced to change his staff and his methods by Dan Rooney around 1987/88, because Noll was so stubborn, rigid and loyal. But as mentioned those weren’t his 70s teams and everything after 1979 was mediocre and honestly everything after 1984 (minus 1989) was deserving of him being fired long before he stepped down after 91.
Yep, there is a book write about that era. The writer thinks that QB Bubby Brister was the reason for Noll changing his methods. Using the shot gun and a simplified offense.
They probably should've beaten San Diego in the first-round of the strike-shortened 1982 playoffs where they were leading 28-17 going into the 4th quarter and IIRC, the officiating crew in this game actually ruled a Steelers INT in the end zone out of bounds. It was a badly-reviewed, terrible call that gave the Chargers another chance and they used it to beat Pittsburgh in a contest they likely should've won.
Regardless, in the final analysis, I don't think that Steelers team is more talented, or well-equipped to beat a resurgent, hungry, frankly angry Dolphins team that went on to handily defeat San Diego and then NYJ before losing a very close, hotly contested SB XVII game to Redskins. Miami's "Killer B's" defense was at its most intense and dominant, arguably between 1981-82 seasons.
The game had passed Chuck Noll by, Gary Anderson was right on the money with that one. I grew up at a unique time in Pittsburgh. The 79/80 Superowls happened before my 4th birthday and I don't remember them. My earliest memories of Chuck Noll were of a coach who would NEVER EVER go for it on 4th down, even if the Steelers were down by 4 and in the red zone with less than a minute on the clock. I always heard about what a great coach Noll was, but I never saw it. What I saw was an ultra-conservative out of touch coach who led the atrocious Mark Malone & Bubby Brister helmed Steelers teams to mediocrity and losing seasons.
"What might be the most important phase in the game". Likely more accurate to say Special Teams is equally important to, not more important than, the other two phases. You can lose a game of football from poor play in any phase. Statement was more than a little hyperbolic.
Also, three years later, the 1988 Steelers (I know you've made a video about Noll's troubles with THAT team, too; he really should've retired earlier) set the record for most punts blocked in a season, so it seems like hiring a ST coach didn't help much at all; either he was terrible at his job, or they just continued to not take special teams seriously despite being buried by them multiple times beforehand.
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His best coaching job was in 1989
I asked Gary Anderson for an autograph in 1986 and he said "get away from me kid, I gotta practice my special teams!!!!"
This is a great visual
Lol
Was that why the Pittsburgh Steelers Special Teams played like shit in Super Bowl X?
This is all you need to know:
The Steelers replaced Chuck Noll with Bill Cowher--who played and coached special teams. His first game, Mark Royals completes a fake punt pass to put the Steelers in a 1st and Goal.
This is no knock on Noll, but you knew it was time for him to go when he retired following a 7-9 record and Cowher took essentially the exact same team the following year and had home field advantage in the playoffs.
Gary Anderson will always be remembered for missing the kick that would have sent the 15-1 Vikings to the Super Bowl, the only kick he missed all year…..
Biggest Choke unfortunately
As a life long Vikings fan, I have never blamed Gary for that loss. People forget that Cunningham, Moss, Carter, and Company had three opportunities after that missed kick to win that game and couldn't deliver. It was a team loss in all respects.
@@lastguyminn2324 nah, it was all Anderson
10:37 So that's how long the "Steeler Way" has been a saying. And it's been a way of thinking and a topic for a long time
72 AFC championship game. The fake punt exposed the Steelers special teams weaknesses right there.
Makes me love Steve Tasker even more now. And I didn't think that was possible.
great vid as allways
1:58 And, yet, as of 2021, he's STILL not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. WHY?!? Kickers get dissed so BADLY. And, typical hard-headed Chuck Noll logic. You absolutely CANNOT just kick special teams to the curb like that. Rock solid offense and equally tough defense made up for any special teams shortcomings when they were winning Super Bowls in the '70s. But as they got into the '80s, they let themselves get old, failing to properly restock the team when players from the Super Bowl era started leaving/retiring and with a lesser quality team, unrectified special teams frailties were magnified and cost them dearly. Amazing how that team went from eight straight playoff appearances, seven division titles, no losing seasons, and four Super Bowl titles from 1972-79 to just four playoff appearances, two division titles, four losing seasons, and no conference championships over Noll's last twelve years on the job (1980-91).
The screenshot at 11:32 said that Chuck Noll had led the Steelers to 13 consecutive winning seasons. That was incorrect. The 1981 Steelers were 8-8, which meant that Chuck Noll’s longest streak of winning seasons was nine seasons from 1972-80.
I remember when he had a season where he didn't miss a kick all season...up until he sad a chance to spend up to the Super Bowl.
I remember during Super Bowl 14, Tom Brookshier opining both team's weakness (Rams, Steelers) special teams.
Ironically, it was Larry Anderson giving the Steelers great field position all game with some great kickoff returns in that game. Even more incredible was that the Steelers and Rams led the league in giveaways that year. Steelers had 52, Rams had 51! Amazing!!
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Knoll and Tomlin seem to share that stubborn trait and before you attack me about Tomlin, I seen a interview with Ryan Clark stating , Tomlin is good coach, but can be stubborn and kinda set in his ways.
The concept of a special teams coach didn't come about until George Allen in the late 1960s.
Chuck Knoll's lack of interest in special teams can be seen in one name: Roy Gerela 🙄. The only way it worked was when Cliff Harris patted Gerela on the head for missing a point after, which incensed Jack Lambert and got him to up his game after tangling with Harris in SB X.
From 1980 til he retired, his record is very mediocre, terrible compared to his record in the 7’0’s. He no longer had HOF players and the terrible drafts came back to hurt him.
Now this BS about Marino. Marino would never had the career with Noll as his HC. As this video, and his battles with Bradshaw, shows Noll Is too inflexible. Think Marino would pass 40 times a game with Noll?? Bradshaw after 78 when the rules changed didn’t pass that many times.
I really think the game passed Noll by by the time the 80s rolled around; really a ton of the great 70s coaches flamed out around the same time (Landry and Shula specifically, though Shula did of course have some success again in the early 90s).
@@SteelerFanInRI the scouting and development of players got better as a league. So the advantage the Cowboys Dolphins steelers had was gone. No longer did teams use Street and Smith magazine as their scouting tool for the draft. Every team got their own scouts. No more BLESTO scouting service.
The 80’s offenses were defined by either the West Coast or a power downhill running game. The BS pulling schemes of Noll were outdated. He didn’t change until it was too late.
@@SteelerFanInRI Shula did change when he got Marino. He went from a power running attack to let Dan throw all over the place. The Dolphins problem in those days was their inablilty to get past the Bills. Fun fact: Marv Levy is the only coach with a winning record against Shula.
@@tygrkhat4087 Marino was great, of course, but how was the Miami defense during those years?
@@jamesanthony5681 Like I said, the Dolphins couldn't get past the Bills. They had some good defenders, but we had Bruce Smith, Darryl Talley, Corneilus Bennett and some other pretty good ones.
My College (junior college) special teams coach was so meticulous it was rediculous. I was a wedge breaker & after my second concussion. I stuck with Judo as my sport of choice!LOL!
Special Teams just wasn’t that important to NFL coaching up until the 80s. Very few had evolved to get coordinators. I cannot remember if the Steelers had a good kicking game during the Super Bowl years. The Raiders always seemed to emphasize a good kicking and punting game but that’s Al Davis always looking for an edge. 4 games a year is a huge difference between staying home or making the playoffs. I think it’s worth the investment.
The Steelers special teams were pretty mediocre during the SB years, but their specialists (K, P) were god awful. Roy Gerela would miss kick after kick especially in big games in the playoffs. He had some injuries but man was he terrible. Their punter Bobby Walden wasn't much better. They had a punt blocked for a TD in SB IX or else the Steelers would have had a shutout. In SB X, Chuck Noll had such little confidence in his special teams (after having several punts almost blocked) that he chose to run the ball on 4th and 9 from the Dallas 46 with under 2 minutes to go. Who does that??? Shockingly, they actually blocked a punt for a safety early in the 4th quarter of that game. The only big advantage that I ever remember them having on special teams was Larry Anderson on kickoff returns for a couple of years. He seemed to have a knack for that and made some nice returns especially in SB XIV against the Rams.
Anderson was right to call Noll out on this. You can't win with consistently awful special teams play. I can't believe that Noll didn't hire a special teams coach until '87.
It’s what happens when you get drunk off your own success.
I've seen that in business where the president/CEO feels to need to micromanage everything, instead of delegating tasks to his subordinates. There's not enough time in the day.
Both are right! Noll should have cared more about Special Teams and hired a Coordinator to focus on it and Anderson should have been working on tackling. We need more players with the Pat McAfee mentality. Every team does.
Okay...Please let a Steeler fan give you some perspective. Gary Anderson was one of the all time greats. At kicking. Allocating minutes for the practice schedule was beyond his area of expertise. Anderson grew up in South Africa, and famously never saw an "American" football game before kicking in one for the University of Syracuse. You are unlikely to find an employee in Steelers history (including concession workers and cleaning staff) with less knowledge of the game.
Chuck Noll was one of the greatest minds in football history. He played linebacker in the NFL for coaches like Paul Brown. Noll learned to coach working under the likes of Sid Luckman and Don Shula. He built a dynasty in Pittsburgh, which led inevitably to a dip in talent due to low draft picks. The Steelers of the mid-80s were very low on talent. (Mark Malone was their starting quarterback.) Many have said that Noll's most impressive coaching accomplishment was actually keeping these teams anywhere near relevant during this era.
If I am being honest, I believe that Anderson's comments had more to do with his own safety than anything else. While most kickers do not like contact, Anderson was absolutely petrified of it. Long kickoff returns meant that he might be called upon to put his body at risk. He didn't like that, so he started lashing out at Noll. For confirmation of my theory, cue up the clip of Anderson's famous miss when he was a Viking with a chance to put them in the Superbowl. Watch closely and you will see that, sensing the Falcon's rush, Anderson lost all form. He missed the most important field goal of his career because he was trying to kick and run away at the same time.
So, please be careful before you blame a Hall of Fame coach for losing football games played before you were born. In the future, I would be happy to offer feedback before you post your videos.
I was alive then and Noll was definitely responsible for the special teams play. I also think Noll is given too much credit for the Steelers of the 70's. The Steeler scouting department got him all of that Hall of Fame talent.
That kick didn't cost the Vikings that game. It would have put the game out of reach.
Jeez and I thought the 2009 squad had horrible special teams; at least that team was smart enough to fire the ST coach afterwards, or even hire one at all. I can't imagine watching your opponent getting to set up shop near/past mid field basically every time they start a drive and not thinking you have a problem.
As bad as at Washington Redskin game was, the game for the 1986 season final against the Kansas City Chiefs was the worst ever special teams performance of all time. The Steelers had 515 yds offense and Kansas City had only 171 yd yet they won the game 24 to 19. That is what happens when you give up a punt return for a touchdown, a block fiield goal for a touchdown and I think a kick off return for a touchdown as well as Kansas City making their field goal.
This has to be the worst performance of one team with special teams in a single game.
I whole heartedly agree!!! Special teams were never a Steelers strength under Chuck Noll and more often than not led to them losing key games. Even in the 70s, Gerela and punter Bobby Walden were pretty bad. Gerela was especially atrocious with kicking FGs. Not only did he miss a lot of kicks, a lot of the misses were god awful. Fortunately for them, the rest of the team was good enough to overcome their ineptitude and the ineptitude of the special teams in general. In SB IX, the Steelers would have shut out Minnesota if not for a blocked punt returned for a TD by the Vikes.
He kicked outside in swirling winds almost his whole career should be in hall of fame before Morton Anderson. Gary percentage is slightly higher. Mort kicked in dome
Not sure if you've done this one yet, but how about one where Vince Lombardi's Packers lost to the NCAA All Stars and the revenge he got on them the next year.
Noll was historically smart with his special teams. He often used his best players in these units. You can find many film clips of hall of famers like mel blount and jack lambert on kick off teams. Gary Anderson isnt the head coach, he needs to stay in his place....as a KICKER.
As far as comments about noll at the end...he only left bill cowher with dermonti dawson, rod woodson, greg lloyd, john jackson, eric green, barry foster, carnell lake, hardy nickerson, i could go on and on. Noll was still great at talent evaluation. He was NOT washed up.
Gary was a damn good kicker.
You're back on your game. Wow.. The AFC Central was so lame in 1985. It wouldn't have taken much for Noll to win the division if he had followed Anderson's advice.
Gary Anderson did not have a strong pre-season with the Bills in 1982. He held out, signed late, and then did not make a kick in pre-season. Not one. It is widely speculated that Anderson was tanking in order to get released.
Many people when they become successful, stop listening to other opinions. Chuck Noll always had an attitude, because he won. As time progresses and you begin to face adversity, an arrogant person blames those around them instead of listening to their advice. Chuck Noll had a bed case of the "ME's". It's ME that does everything right, when we win. It's THEM when things go wrong and you lose. That's not how a "team" should work.
Noll was extremely stubborn and ignored special teams. However, the Steelers decline was not primarily Noll's fault. Dan Rooney's brother ran the scouting and drafting and he did a terrible job after 1974.
"Special teams might be the most important phase in the game."
Sorry, but that is just dreadfully wrong. I guess technically it's not wrong, because it qualifies itself with "might". The coin toss also "might" be the most important phase of the game. It's not, but it might be.
One of the greatest kickers of all time? Not here in Minnesota. We can't bare to even mention his name.
The vikings defense let you down in that falcons game in 1998. It really wasnt andersons fault. The vikings should have blown the falcons out. When you watch that field goal there was an unblocked guy comming up to block the kick which made anderson pull it
Most FGs made and most points scored in NFL history. One bad miss doesn't change that.
@@matthewdaley746 that's just plain false, the vikings were like top 5 In rush defense that year and I think top 5 in scoring defense that year. Everyone talked about how great the offense was, but that defense was good too. If anything, it was the pass defense (as it always has been) that did them in. I don't care about records or how many times someone did what, he had a job and didn't do it. Gary fuckin Anderson. He might be the most hated sports figure in Minnesota sports history. I don't have a way to prove that, I just never heard anyone from here speak of him in a good way.
@@mikeyboy7515 if he pulled a 50 yarder I'd agree but he missed a kick that was way too close
The would've won the Superbowl that year
The Bills cut Anderson in the 1982 preseason because he couldn't make a kick, even the 1 or 2 PAT/FGs he did make were barely good. The last thing the Bills wanted to do was cut a kicker they literally just drafted. People even think he purposely missed all those kicks so the Bills would cut him. My goodness, where did you read/hear he had a strong preseason it is the complete opposite of the truth??
Most coaches underate special teams.
Should've drafted Marino
Similar to Chuck Knox. Knox never grasped the passing game. A good coach but with severe deficiencies . Similar to Don Coryell. Great with offensive, rotten on defense. Don Shula could coach both sides of the ball. Depending on players. Unitas was a passer. Griese could only hand the ball off. He was not a gifted quarterback. But they had Morris, Csonka, and Kiick. Then later on he got Marino. Some coaches just dont have the ability to coach all facets of the game. Knoll was one of them.
Griese had talent, but he understood that the Dolphins best chance at winning came from running the rock. There's a reason why Griese is in the HOF.
I'm shocked to hear this about Noll. Special teams is #1 of all the units. It is the easiest way to earn a td and the easiest way to give up a td.
Mark Malone not being in the starting lineup probably helped the Steelers more than hurt them.... he was awful. In fact, after Bradshaw, til Ben was drafted, I'd like somebody to find a worse stretch of 20 year QB play. If Cowher was able to have Roethlisberger from like '92, he would probably have won 3 SBs. Instead, those great teams were wasted on Tomczac, Kordell, Kent Graham, Maddux..... fucking Kordell.....
O'Donnell struggled with the Jets, but in Pittsburgh he was solid. Fit exactly what they wanted from their QBs at that time. Yeah he had 2 bad picks in the Super Bowl, but they aren't there without his play throughout the season
I liked Maddox. He improved the Steelers until defensive coordinators realized he wasn’t tall enough to throw over defensive linemen and took away the gaps between them he used to exploit. He was good, but not championship quality. I think he might have won comeback player of the year, but I’m not sure. You are right though. QB play overall was so poor during those years that if the defense didn’t score or set up scores off turnovers, the offense could not generate enough points on their own to win.
I liked Kordell Stewart. Kevin Gilbride is what was his downfall. He wouldn't let Slash be Slash.
You lost me when you said, "Before I talk about the incident itself..."
The more l hear about chuck knoll in the years later the more I'm wondering was he maybe a little overrated as a coach.
Anderson also missed a bunch of clutch field goals. 1984 divisional game vs Denver. 1998 NFC Championship, ect. Probably why he will never be in the Hall of Fame.
I’m not sure I would say he missed a bunch of them, but he did fail in key moments, notably the Minnesota NFC championship game. I believe THAT is the one that kept him out of the HOF. It happened at the end of his career and it is what he is remembered for. It’s somewhat unfair, considering his overall career, but that’s the reality of the situation.
Hey people who call the 85 Bears the best defense ever. At one minute into this video, it's TB, who would have the worst record in 1985, up on the Bears 7-0. That was an offensive TD too! The sorry Bucs scored 28 first half points vs that great Bears defense! The great Steve DeBerg, threw 3 TD passes vs that great Bears defense!! And this game was played in Chicago!! Yes, the Bucs, lost this game. Hell, they would only win 2 games that year, and get the #1 overall pick in 86.
Pittsburgh screwed themselves in the 80s
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This is why I was glad that Chuck Noll retired and BILL Cowher took over and proved my point. Chuck Noll favored less talented white players over more talented black players he and Don Shula both. The 1960s and 70s players tolerated Chuck Noll behaviors towards them but the 1980s brought a totally different brand of black players who didn't like Noll's methods. And again is the reason why Chuck Noll and Don Shula would never win another Superbowl after the 1979 season and Don Shula had Dan Marino and still couldn't win a Superbowl Championship ring 🏆💍. Had the 2 of them have this Ego that they were bigger than the game thing might have been different. Don Shula was missing a Barry Sanders Lawrence Taylor Art Monk and a Bruce Smith on that Miami Dolphins team that would have gotten Don Shula and Dan Marino over the hump in winning a Superbowl and Chuck Noll Quarterbacks were pathetic and Chuck Noll favouring less talented players. Noll replace the entire Original Steel curtain with Steve Furness 67 Gary Dunn 67 John Banazak 76 John Goodman 95 and let the Steelers best linebacker Dennis Winston release Jim Smith Theo Bell Greg Hawthorne Larry Anderson Wayne Capers Greg Hawthorne players that was more talented players than the players they put on the Pittsburgh Steelers team Weggie Thompson is the worse wide receiver in Pittsburgh Steelers history and Chuck Noll allowed him to play 7 years, you got to be kidding me ! Merle Hoage 3 years as the starting tailback and you see what happen when Barry Forster took over. Don't get mad with me, I'm just telling the story of the truth that needed to be told. I'm done saying.
But he cheated pretty well
I'm not surprised if the truth be told he is a overrated coach, if not for the HBCU players he is a average coach being out coached by Forrest Greg Sam Wyhce Sam Rategliano Marty Shotthiemayer and Houston Oilers and Buffalo Bills coach. Bill Walsh Joe Gibbs Bill Parcels and Dan Reeves Were the better coaches in the 1980s than Chuck Noll and Don Shula. Chuck Noll was clearly out coach by some not so good coaches even some offensive and defensive coaches was better coaches like Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Lindy infante, and Chuck Noll and Don Shula envyed Black Players and yes I can prove. This is why Chuck Noll and Don Shula would never win another Superbowl the conduct toward black players was very calculated hindden.