My Coffee Station | Delonghi Dedica EC685 With Bottomless Portafilter and Graef CM702 Grinder
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Welcome to my humble coffee station.
I am learning about espresso and latte art.
I recently purchased the Delonghi Dedica EC 685 and the Greaf CM 702 grinder.
Espresso machine: Delonghi Dedica EC685
Grinder: Graef CM702
Porfafilter: 51mm bottomless 3 pin portafilter.
Links to where to buy the portafilter:
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Hello, i got some trouble, so maybe you can help me. I use the OG Portafilter, modified to be bottomless, with one wall baskets (single is like 7g, and double like 14g of coffee) for the ec685. I also use a Sage Grinder Pro and already set it to the finest level (via hard grinder settings, not just via button). So if i take a double shot with leveling tool, accurate tamping i get good results (at nearly the finest level via buttons and finest level of grinder) but if i try single shots they extract way to short (at finest setting allover). The singleshots extracts in appr. 15 seconds, but im already at finest level. Do you think the Sage Grinder Pro isnt good enough to grind fine for the single shots or do you have any tips? (Sorry for my bad english)
Your single shots should be about 15 seconds the 25-30 second guideline is referring to double shot you should be basing wether you’re at the right grind by taste alone
This video helped me decide to keep my dedica, i will be purchasing a non pressurized filter now. Thank you! Happy pride you both are adorable.
@Chris Bonsness Happy pride to you tooooo. 😁
Use a bottomless filter and an exact amount of espresso coffee. If you have a coffee grinder as in the video I recommend putting 2 small metal rings that come with the grinder in sizes 0.2 and 0.25 and aiming for grinding grade 7. Of course the quality of the beans and the amount of robusta is important for proper carema and compression of the coffee in the handle
Hey. I want to buy this grinder. It s a big diff between adding the disks or just leave it like this? I want to make espresso. Thank u
This is the exact setup I'm buying, before I even watched this vid. well except the wand
Nice video, thanks for posting. My thoughts are: you should get a scale so that after filling your portafilter you can measure the dose. It seemed to me that your tamp was maybe a bit light, you should use about 30lbs of pressure. With the unpressurized portafilter you were getting significant leakage from around the side, that may have come from an uneven or too light tamping. I would have liked to have heard your comparison of the taste of the pressurized vs the unpressurized shots - was one better than the other? The unpressurized shot clearly looked better.
@L W Hi there , thank you for your advice, we did get the scale and the result is much better than before.🙂
I have same coffee machine and bottomless portafilter. I am now searching for a grinder. I recently bought the baratza encore but it's not a good one for espresso. Is Graef cm702 appropriate for espresso with the bottomless portafilter? Thank you
Hey, I have the same setup, but when go under 15 grind size no coffee comes out of the grinder, I need to hit or shake it to get the coffee out. Also even if I manage to grind fine that much, I can't get any espresso from the delonghi. So how do you achieve grind that fine and produce espresso?
Same here, did you manage to have an explanation ?
Oh cool that's pretty much my setup, but with a wider delhonghi which I think has a larger tank. I also got a 51mm IMS competition precision basket made for the la pavoni, which I use instead of the one that came with the bottomless portafilter. We still use the pressurized portafilter for tea sometimes.
"We still use the pressurized portafilter for tea sometimes" ????? :)
@@mikethespike2643 Espresso tea is a thing my roommates do. As long as they don't clog up my ims basket 😂
@@StephenSmith304 :)
I love my bottomless on my ecp!!!!
Hi,
I have this machine about one year. Last week i bought NPF but my grinder is not good for it (de longhi kg79). I am wondering about Graef cm720 like you. Are you happy with this purchase? Did you do any improvements in grinder? Is grindering level ok to prepare good espresso i NPF?
Does anyone know if it is possible to fit that bottomless basket dedicated to Delonghi into Krups XPS Calvi 3440? They look simmilar and have simillar dimensions but they can differ here and there.
It is a 51mm basket so check the specs on the other machine.
@@castillo2u Today I was in local home appliances store and tried to fit Dedica's basket into Krupps' group head and it didn't fit. I found out that those latches in Delonghi's basket are just a little too long and the outside diameter is also to big. After that I've decided to stick with OEM basket from Krupps but buy bottomless portafilter which is dedicated for Delongi (it says that it also fits Krupps machines but it's around 5mm too deep) and throw away this plastic center part (with it mounted on the new portafilter will not fit).
How much coffee in grams maximum can fit in the pressurized PF and the bottomless PF? I also have Delonghi Dedica and I can only use max 12g coffee. If I use 2 scoops (as suggested in the manual) ~14g, PF wont fit in the grouphead. It wont lock. So I only use 12g. My problem is I need to pull a double shot so i need a bigger capacity PF. Max 20g coffee
Hi there, for the bottomless I have it only can take up to 19g of coffee.
Hello I am trying to descale my delonghi I followed the procedure properly and the water/steam is still blinking orange. Any helpful hints. Thank you
Hi what you need to do is hold in the steam button for 10 seconds that will enter the machine inti program mode once the lights are flashing twist the steam dial down to the steam position then press the orange steam button the water will then start flowing from the steam wand make sure to use a big bowl and from time to time switch between the steam wand and groupe head by twisting the steam dial while its descaling so once the water tank is empty the orange light will still be flashing so what you need to do is rinse out the water tank fill it with fresh cold water put it in the machine get the bowl again and put it under the steam wand and press the orange steam button that will then flush the system and empty the water tank once its finished flushing the system flip back up the steam dial and your done i would also recomend the run some hot water through the steam wand and groupe head just to make sure the descaling solution is fully drained hope this helps
How well suited are the machine and grinder for lighter roasts?
hi Carter Tien ! I just received my Graef 702. When you use your bottomless portafilter, what setting do you use on the Graef? I see 4 on the video but do you use the additional washers? for my pressurized filter holder, I am at 5 and already it is very fine! thanks if you can guide me :)
It also depends on your beans, and the roasting.
hi, I got Delonghi Dedica EC685 and a non-pressurized portafilter too
and I use 16gm of bean for 2oz of coffee.
I don't think I grind my coffee to fine or tamp it too hard.
but coffee won't come up, but if I grind coffee coarser and don't tamp
than coffee come out fine, but taste really bad.
any idea to help me?
@Will Wang : Hi there, it could be that the tamping was too strong, when tamping too hard this machine will choke so maybe try to adjust tamping strength. Hope you get good results soon.😀
@@od1286 problem solved, 14 gm makes no more issue, thank you for your reply
Hello. Did u make any modifications to the grinder. It s good for espresso? (I saw a lot of people grinding at 1 for espreso. It s corect?) thank u
@Imagiarium Veec Hi there, we haven't added or removed any distance ring to our grinder, we use it as it came. We grind to the finest setting. Yes is pretty good for making the espresso.Hope it helps. 😊
Hello did u modify somehow the grinder? Or it s simple size to work a ihave the same espresso maschine.
@Imagiarium Veec Hi there, we haven't added or removed any distance ring to our grinder, we use it as it came. We grind to the finest setting. Yes is pretty good for making the espresso.Hope it helps. 😊
Hi, thank you for your video, I have delonghi Ec785, is the non pressurizzed portafilter suitable for my machine? Thank you
Hi there, we think is the same if yours pressurized portafilter is 51mm and 3 pins you can get it. 😉
@@od1286 Thank you 😊
Hi there, if I remove the aluminium cover from the steam pipe the rubber end shoots out when I send steam, any tips?
@Carlos Torres Mansilla Hi there if you can watch the video again around 56 seconds and your problem will be solved . Hope it helps 😁
That is great, totally missed it! Thank you
hi there, I counted the time it took you to extract the coffee, it was around 30 seconds (which is ideal and what I am targetting) I have a bottomless portafiler, I changed the bean grind to about 10 different grind sizes, the longest time I could get coffee extraction is only 10 seconds on very fine grind (about the 3rd mark on the grind adjustment). All other grind sizes only gets about 5 seconds extraction. Very frustrating for me and I have wasted 1/4 kilo of coffee already! Any tips here to get 30 second extraction?
Hi there Henry, we use the finer grinder setting for the beans we have at the moment and tamp strongly. We use about 18 grams of coffee and the water temperature is set to medium. You can also programme the quantity of water in this machine. Hope this helps!
Hold down the shot button to get a custom shot volume, use a scale on your grounds and then espresso to achieve the desired ratio
Could be your grind. If it's too coarse, the water will just fall straight through. What grinder are you using?
You need to weight your output too.
Adjust your grind to get double the weight of liquid compared to your dose (36g of liquid in your cup for 16g of ground coffee in your basket) in about 25-30s.
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I have the same setup! Pretty good tbh
Isn’t it too much to use the finest grind settings on the non pressurized basket? (The default one) It seems like it struggles to make the shot and almost no crema there. I’m grinding with 10 for my non pressurized basket and 1 with the pressurized one.
Greetings from Spain!
@Carlos Fernández hola 👋 thank you for your comment! This was our first video and we didn’t use to get much crema back then since we didn’t weight our beans and didn’t know how to tamp properly 😅. At the moment we are using the finest setting for both baskets and we are getting nice results. Maybe you might be interested in checking our video where we compare both baskets. Here is a link to it czcams.com/video/SgjwurL6ROw/video.html Hope to be of help!
hi, i have delonghi EC685 too. I want to buy a Graef CM702 grinder. can you advice ?
Hi there, yes, I would suggest you to buy graef cm702 is a not expensive one but it work really well, but if you have a high budget maybe you can think about graef cm800. Hope it helps
thanks, i trust you 👍🤗
I’m new to the coffee game! I just bought the machine. Can you tell me the advantages of switching to this portafilter as opposed to the one provided with the machine? Thank you!
@Wendy Davies : Hi there very glad to read you got the machine. Here is a link to our video pressurized vs non pressurized portafilters czcams.com/video/SgjwurL6ROw/video.html . The main advantages of using a non pressurized portafilter are: richer taste and crema. Hope this helps.
Can you use the pressurized baskets that came with the machine in the bottomless portafilter?
Hi there, yes you can use the pressurized basket with the bottomless portafilter but the results will be just the same as when you use the pressurized portafilter. It’s the basket that is pressurized not the portafilter. 😊
Very similar setup to mine
whats the weight of coffee ground for using the bottomless..? i just got the same filter..havent use it yet....cheers..🙋🏻♂️🙏🏻🙂
Hi Reeze, we use between 16 and 20 grams of coffee beans. Hope you get great results ;-)
@@od1286 alrighty then....will try on that....cheers..🙋🏻♂️🙂👍🏻🤝
@@reezevlog better to use 16-18 grams ,20 is a bit much for this type of basket
@@kingleon5359 thanks mate..🙋🏻♂️🙂
@@reezevlog sure 👍
How do you know how much coffee you are grinding?
What volume of water did you set as your output for a double shot? Ie what ratio of coffee in grams to fluid out in grams? Trying to tune a bottomless portafilter 😁
@u01ijm7, Hi there, here are two links, in the first one we show how to set up the amount of water (czcams.com/video/yQz0yiz3oIU/video.html ) and in the second one you’ll be able to see the quantity of coffee we used (czcams.com/video/7c_wCljRKQw/video.html ). Hope it helps.😊
did you change grind setting between bottomless and pressurized? or changing the dose?
@Aloysius Dicodemus Hi there we didn’t change the grinder setting between bottomless and pressurized, but we did change the dose for the pressurized because the basket only can fit 11g of coffee. Hope it helps.😊
@@od1286 oh i see... Because if i looked up at 1:32 and 2:57 minute, i thought it was different clicks on your grinder setting... So maybe it just because of camera angle.. Thanks
@Aloysius Dicodemus yes it could be the camera angle ha ha ...😁
Can I use bottomless with E.S.E. ??
Secondly, due to budget, do u think getting a manual grinder works as well ?
@Louis Beh If the manual grinder can adjust the finest it will be good.
Hey. Did you put those three little washers in the grinder ?
Hi there, I didn't put any washers in the grinder.
Hey
Did you do anything special to get the ec685 to process such fine grinding?
I have the exact same setup and as soon as I go under 15 in the grind level, the machine will choke.
I have the same problem, also under 10, no coffee comes out of the graef grinder
Same here, did you figured out why ?
@@figeac8888 yeah you have to adjust the grinder by adding one of the tiny metallic circle
I have the same coffe's machine and my problem is that my espresso is going with dark color in very short time (1-2seconds) after that it changes in to water. The coffe doesnt have much power as it was before :( anyone had similar problem?
Hi there, Have you tried to descale the machine? Hope it helps. 🤔
I hope you've fixed your problem. If not it sounds like channeling, which may be caused by a blockage in the basket. This could be due to fine grinds blocking some holes, issues with distribution of grounds, tamping pressure, dosage, consistency of grounds or grind setting. With a pressurised basket this could be due to a holes getting blocked either because the inner bottom is touching the outer bottom or coffee has got stuck.
Can you Tell me where can I Buy That Black Pipe On The milk. I lost it Last Day
@michaelee KIM Hi there, sorry we also don’t know where you can buy that pipe. LoL
Can you recommend a bottomless portafilter that works with th Delonghi Dedica? I've looked extensively online and most have mixed reviews; either working okay or making a mess with water splitting everywhere. Cheers
Hi Kevin, I bought mine from AliExpress, I left a link to where to buy it from in the video comments. Hope it helps. 🎃
The key is to have a grinder that grinds fine enough, then you are OK. It will take a few adjustments to grind size and strength of tampering to get it right
@@highfell1 if the basket holes are big (like chinese baskets) i have 3 of them . even with the best grind splitting everywhere. so a good basket is very important!
Question, whenever you turn on the machine does it really dispose a little water?
Also, is it a must to purge some water before making coffee? I see that you pressed the 2 cup button at 1:52. Is that necessary?
Hi there, when we turn on the machine it doesn't dispose any water. :-)
Many people said let the water run for 2 to 3 seconds before making the coffee, I believe that is to heat up all the machine parts !Haha!! and about the 2 cup button I pressed because the 1 cup bottom does not deliver enough coffee for me. Hope it helps. :-)
Te & Gab hey! You’re able to program the one and two cup buttons to your liking, and change it whenever you use different beans and want to make adjustments!
Hi there, thank you for the tip, I found out how to do it. :-)
What’s the tamper holder/portafilter stand?
@George Moore, Hi there here have two links info for the tamper ( amzn.to/33A03u1 )and portafilter stand ( amzn.to/37nJgLU ). Hope it helps.😊
Where did you buy the grinder and would you recommend?
@Mark Doyle Hi there, we bought the grinder on Amazon. It is not an expensive one but it does a nice job, it pairs well with the Delonghi Dedica since they are both within the same price range. We posted a link to where we got the grinder from in the video description. Hope it helps!
For me i just changed the basket no need to change the portafilter
Tips to prevent bottomless channeling?
@Louis Beh, We try to avoid channeling by adjusting the grinding settings, the amount of coffee we use and the tamping pressure. We also found out that distributing the coffee evenly within the portafilter avoids air pockets and prevents channeling.Hope to be of help!
what grinder you used??
Hi there, we are using the Graef cm702
I'm buying the machine today can way to use it
@urannius davis, Hi there, very glad to know you got the machine! 👍
i have the same machine and the same bottomless portafilter and i would say the same problem. almost no crema at all. my grinder is eureka mignon.
Hi there, I also realized that, this machine does produce less cream, before I had another coffee machine Saeco Poemia and it did produce more cream but maybe I still don’t know how to use this machine properly. Next time I will get some other coffee and try, will update more information. Thank you for sharing
@@od1286 I upgraded from saeco poemia to dedica too and im using the poemia basket. I have a problem of water coming around the portafilter when i extract. Im not sure why is it happening, maybe its just because i dont tamp or distribute the coffee properly
Hi there, I tried using the Saeco Poemia basket with the Dedica portafilter and it didn’t seem to fit well, just as you are saying. I brought a bottomless basket for this machine and it is working fine now. Here’s a link to where I bought the basket es.aliexpress.com/item/4000037386858.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.6d805124uefKcL&s=p&ad_pvid=20200907055558933611691100570005025080_8&algo_pvid=2a63f911-18a7-425f-bac6-7b4334ce8dfc&algo_expid=2a63f911-18a7-425f-bac6-7b4334ce8dfc-7&btsid=0b8b036d15994833580984043e766a&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ Hope it helps ;-)
@@od1286 Nice, guys. I have the same machine (actually EC680) and bottomless porta filter. I think the crema results depends a lot on how old the coffee is and the grind size/tamping. I takes a little time to master the extraction (I've noticed some channeling in your video), but that's it! Keep on rockin'. Greetings from Brazil.
Hi there, thank you for your suggestions, we are working on the channeling ;-) If you get a chance, please check out our other video where we got coffee crema! We are in the learning process. 😊
Great
Thank you :-)
I think you need to tamp a little bit harder for the the unpressurized basket
why?
@@mikethespike2643 the shot is under extracted and In the video I think he didn’t tamp enough so 90% this is the reason
@@ivipblack the extraction time is about 26-28 sec. just perfect!
@@mikethespike2643 how many ml?
And you can’t rely on the time everytime😂
@@ivipblack but u know everything :)
whats ur tamper size?
Hi there, my tamper size is 51mm.😊
@@od1286 thank you for the quick reply :D
@@od1286 Unfortunately I got some issues with the tamper size. We use the same bottomless portafilter and tamper. The tamper won't go down much if you intend to have a single dose. Do you also experience this?
@@andrewjohnreyes Hi there, the basket we use is for a double shot. If you wish to have a single shot we suggest you to use a single shot basket. That way the tamper will fit in well. Hope it helps!
Wish i could add a grinder to my set up! Check out my latest video to see it :D