AXIS FOILS Line Up Explained! 🔥 Why You Need The HPS, BSC and PNG Wings For Your Foiling 💪
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- I finally get the chance to sit down and chat about my latest batch of new foil wings from the legends at @AXIS Foils! Without getting too "sciency", we'll discuss the different series' of wings within the Axis line up, and what style of riding they are best suited to, which will hopefully help you decide what's the right foil setup for you.
We're gonna be looking at the PNG 850 and 910, the BSC 740, 810 and 890, the HPS 650, 700, 830 and 880
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BSC - Broad Spectrum Carve Series (BLACK SERIES)
HPS - High Performance Speed Series (BLACK SERIES)
PNG - Pump N Glide Series (NOW AVAILABLE FOR BLACK SERIES)
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Great reviews. Too many reviews are useless because they just claim that every wing does everything for everyone. Appreciate you stating views of different wing for different situations and disciplines.
Something i find much harder to reason about than wings is tail wings. To be honest i dont even really understand how a tail impacts riding . Would be awesome to get an in depth discussion and review on tail wings if you were ever up for it.
Thanks for the reply and feedback mate. I really appreciate it 😎🤙 I’ve been trying different tail wings lately and I agree I think that would be a really useful video, stay tuned 🪓🪓
Hey Larry... thanks for your honest and clear review. I'm off to demo the HPS foil for wing foil and will probably be back to buy a different set for prone. Cheers mate
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks mate you’re welcome! 🙏🏻😀🤙
Good video, agree the HPS is quite fast for pure surfing but overall very versatile and the glide is so addictive!
Thanks for your comments mate 😎🙏🏻 Yes I agree with that 🤙
Leisure suite Larry!
Haha yep you know it mate 😂😀🤘🤣
Dope bro
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Thank you so much for this video! I would like to get a front and back wing for kitesurfering in 15 knots with a 10 metres light wind kite. What set would you recommend please???
Thanks for the run down Larry. Great tech. What are your go to tail wings and fuse lengths you are riding?
Hey Matt! It’s sick to see an old skool kite legends name pop up 😎🤙 For prone foiling I’m using the Crazy Short fuse which is 603mm and for wingfoiling I prefer a little longer like the Ultra Short at 643mm or Short Fuse at 703mm.
For tail wings I’m using the 400 for prone foiling and the 420 (winglets) for wingfoil. Those combos seem to work best for me 💪🏽🤙👌
Ha ha. Yeah been doing this stuff for a while now. Trying my hardest not to grow up and the prone and wing foiling is keeping me young. Appreciate the time you put into this edit. I’m stoking to get on some Axis to test it out. Their newer wings are really coming along. 🤙
Hi that was great information.
I would like to know how it all fits together.
At the moment I am riding Armstrong I like how easy it is to set up.
Happy days.
Thanks Neil! Stoked you enjoyed it 🤩 I have a video on how it goes together right here
czcams.com/video/hVXqvDUcI7w/video.html. 🤙😎
Hi, nice review, thanks. I was thinking to add a 2nd Axis wing to my PNG1150 for wing and SUP foil is it BSC970 too close for my 81 kg? I see advices are mainly on prone and wing. I would prefer keep same fuselage and I am not looking for speed. It should replace my 2nd foil a Takuma helium 1500 to reduce stuff amount. Thanks
I am a low intermediate wing foiler (e. g. I can jibe nearly 100%, but cannot tack yet) with 75 kg (165 lbs) of weight and wing foiling in relatively light wind (8-12 knots) & flat water conditions
I have used many different front foils of 2000 cm2 (Starboard S type, RRD Dynamic, Gaastra FR, etc) in the past few months. In the real beginning (e.g. you want to foil up and maintaining it), I do not think the aspect ratio makes that much difference as long as it is equal to especially when larger than 2000 cm2. One you can foil and start jibing, I strongly suggest PNG 1150 in light wind condition. When I first tried PNG 1150, I did not even know that it has more 10% smaller area 1778 cm2 compared to other 2000 cm2 wings mentioned above. It is so much easier to jibe since it glides so well.
If someone wants to start Wing Foiling with the Axis foils, I would suggest to start with BSC 1120 to progress to PNG 1150.
Interesting take, cheers for the input 😊🤙
What about progress for bsc 1120 to bsc970 instead of png1150?
@@apricotscrub The reason I recommended PNG 1150 after BSC 1120 is to enjoy the "glide" if the water is relatively flat.
But, you are correct. Trying BSC 970 after BSC 1120 makes perfect sense especially in more wave area. 😉😎
I recently got PNG 1010 with 420 rear after PNG 1150/460 rear set up. My area has a flat water and inconsistent, weak (8-13 knots), and gusty condition 😞
Thanks for this detailed review. I'm a new foiler coming from shortboard surfing and looking at either the PNG 910 or BSC 890. They seem to be pretty similar, I'm about 72 kilos, and looking for a pretty broad prone surf and downwinding wing to start with. Your thoughts on the two lines would be great!
You’re welcome! 😎 The best way to look at this would be if you’re slightly more of a prone guy, go the 890. If you’re more interested in getting your downwinding happening then go with the PNG910. Another option would be to eventually plan for a multi wing quiver, which lets face it, EVERYONE has 😄 So you could learn/prone with the BSC890 then later as you start to get serious about going DW you can add a HPS or even ART999 wing for downwind epicness! 🤙💪🏽
@@LarryFoiler Right on! Definitely prone first, then downwind, and you're right I'll probably end up with a ton of wings. Looks like I'll go with the BSC first. THanks!
@@domer808 I’m the same background and weight as you and went to the 890 bsc from a 920 which I learned on( which was way too big) the 890 is epic, stable and easy to learn take offs, pumping and turning. Only problem is now I want another one!
hey Larry awesome video, thanks for what you are doing ! Im a good surfer and started foil 3x, now I bought a bsc 1060 to dock start, pump in lakes, and prone surf weak waves or swell, im 60 kg what do u think about it
Hey there! Thanks! That wing will be great for your flat water foiling and pumping. In the surf you may prefer a smaller wing like the HPS830 or ART799 🤘🤘
Great review! I own PNG1010 for small waves prone and HPS700 for fast winging, my weight is 79kg. Which wing would you recommend to complete my gear in the middle range? I most do winging and from time to time prone in small waves. Thinking on HPS880 or maybe ART899... Thanks!
Thank you! I can say that the HPS830 and 880 are awesome for winging for extra glide, I can’t comment on the ART wings as I haven’t had a chance to try them
Hey mate, great video. I’m 85kg and mostly wing foiling. I have the HPS930 with the short fuse and 400 progressive rear. I’m tempted to grab a HPS1050 for the light days (10-12 knots) or for using with a smaller wind wing. I’m just not sure it’s necessary or how much difference I’ll feel. Do you think the 1050 versus the 930 would enable me to drop 1m in wing size, for example?
Hey there! Cheers! Yes I’d say you’d notice a substantial difference and you should be able to drop a wing size. I’d almost be inclined to consider something like the PNG 1150 so you can go super light and it will open up things like flat water pumping etc… 😎🤙
Hey Larry, thanks for the vids!
I'm looking for a little advice.... I'm a good surfer, but new to foiling. I'm usually pretty quick to pick these things up and I have access to a boat to speed up the early learning. My interest is in Prone Foiling. Medium to small weak waves. Basically looking for something to replace surfing in summer when the waves are small.
I've narrowed it down to the BSC 810, BSC 890 and then the ART 1099. But can't decide between them... I can't really afford to make a mistake as it's a fair chunk of cash for me. Any "can't go wrong with" advise?
Thank you so much in advance! :)
Hey George! Cheers mate!
What’s your weight? And which board will you be on? So many awesome choices I’d be happy to help you dial it in 😎🤙
@@LarryFoiler hey mate I pretty much have the same question as the original
Question . I am on the 890 BSC and love it . Have ultra short advanced fuse . I’m guessing this video was done before the ART range came out? . How would that have changed your view now on the BSC being your go to for surf? I weigh 89-91 kg depending on how festive I have been .😂 Thinking of checking out why everyone my weigh is absolutely frothing the ART 1099 . Would you say it’s fair expectation to want to get the 1099 for the small
Swell days just linking waves etc and keeping the BSC 890 for days where there’s an actual wall to ride ?
ill probably graduate later this summer from my big dumb low aspect 2000 cm wing. Would the PNG be a good progression or should I jump ahead and try out a BSC. Too challenging? Im a winger mostly riding hood river but hope to get good enough to ride in weaker conditions in the Portland area. Thanks!
Hey Ben! I would go straight to the BSC or even the HPS range. You’ll feel a lot more glide and carving performance. Then you’ll likely be interested in the ART wings to take it to another level 😎🤘
The prototype at the end. Was it part of the hps range. Can’t find any 990 wing available from axis?
I believe it was eventually refined and ended up as the 980 🤙😎
Great video Larry. What size png would you recommend for a 75 kg beginner fouler in light winds 6-12 knots? Will probably be using a 6,7 meter wing. Thanks!
Thanks mate! 🙏🏻☺️ Usually I’d say the 910 would be great for your size, but 6-12kn is super light. Perhaps the 1010 to give yourself the best chance at getting up on foil, with the plan to eventually have a smaller wing for the windier days 😎🤙
@@LarryFoiler cheers Larry will look into those sizes. Thanks
@@LarryFoiler thanks Larry. Could I just opt for the art 1099 instead of the png 1010 in your opinion? Thinking down the line a bit for both proning and winging
@@neilsimon6871 I guess here you’d need to decide wether your priority is top speed or bottom end lift to get going in light wind. The 1010 will get you up earlier but the 1099 will go faster and have more glide. As a beginner the 1010 would be more stable and user friendly. It really comes down to how light the conditions are. I like the idea of a dedicated light wind wing and then another as your everyday burner for when the conditions are ideal 👌Definitely plan for at least 2 wings
Amazing. Sounds like a plan!
Hey Larry,
Merry Christmas
Just looking for some advice and comparison between the BSC890 and PNG910b mate, and which you think would be better for pumping back out the lineup to link back into new waves/bumps
I'm 85kg and been foiling for about 3 months, would consider myself and advanced beginner to intermediate atm.
I'm currently riding the BSC890 with 370 rear on ultra short fuse in the surf and wondering if the PNG910b is a better option for easier pumping back out, or do I need to go to red fuse with bigger wing? Or lose 10kgs to get more out of my current setup🤣🤣
Hey Troy! You have a great setup there. I don’t think the 910 will make much difference. I would keep the 890 and perhaps try a larger rear wing, the flat 460 is very fast and also pumps amazing. It would definitely be an upgrade for you mate 👌😎🤘
@@LarryFoiler cheers for the advice Larry, reckon I'll get onto that, I'd no doubt say it's also my lack of experience/technique or pump rhythm, this can only improve with time and practice.(pump fitness and weight loss too) 😂
I've also gone nuts and bought the ART999 along with the 400 progressive rear and ordered an Amos tomahawk wind wing board from Amos shapes to get into harnessing some more of mother natures free energy.
I took the ART999 out for a prone test session and surprised myself on how far I was able to pump it considering my noobness, it goes well fast!
Enjoy your New year's mate 👍
@@troymash awesome to hear mate. Good times ahead, you’d be surprised how much performance you can squeeze out of your setup as your technique and fitness improves 💪🏽 I haven’t had any experience with the art wings but I hear that they glide and pump really well 😎
Awesome review Larry. What about the ART 999?
Thanks mate! 😎🤙 I’m hoping for a smaller version of the ART999 soon. I did have a brief go of the 999 but it was a bit of a wrestle for my 64kg. It definitely pumps and glides super easy, just perhaps too much wing for someone my size 🤙
Uh-oh... I'm 65 kg and am waiting for a 999 to arrive. Was going to use it for moderate wind downwind winging, but you're suggesting a smaller size might be better?
@@solentfoiler5969 I’d say that the 999 will work really really well for what you have in mind. You could probably get away with something smaller at your size but there’s no question that you’ll be well equipped for those down wingers 😎🤙💪🏽
@@LarryFoiler Good to know! Would it be a good choice for sup downwinders at 65kg or is there something else you'd recommend for that discipline? Great reviews - thanks!
@@TesDriveToday I’d imagine that it would be pretty epic for sup downwinding at your size mate, absolutely 👌😎
what is a good one for freestyle/jumping? the HPS700? I usually use the ART899, but it hasn't as much pop as my old Slingshot PTM926
The HPS830 or the new Spitfire 780 for sure!!!
I weigh the same as you. Around 140, what would you recommend for pumping and riding small boat waves ? I recently tried the png910 and it felt like it had too much lift for me. I could not keep the board steady. Thanks !
My favourite wings for boat wake would be the original surf wings, the 820 is awesome if you can find a used one. Otherwise the BSC890 is also great 👌
@@LarryFoiler thank you ! Also what rear wing would you recommend with that ?
Hi, i have around 70kg, which foil would you recommend for flatwater pumping, maybe catching some small wakes from a boat.
Hey there! If you are on the black series I’d look at the larger BSC wings like the 890 or even larger. If you have the red fuse then any of the surf series wings like the 820, 920 and even 1020 are awesome for easy flat water and boat wake riding 🤙 Also it can help to use a larger slower rear wing like the original 440 for more lift and also to slow down your setup, which can be helpful riding boat wakes 👌
@@LarryFoiler thank you very much. I sold my Kitefoil, so currently i have not a single foil. Thats why i am asking. I want to be a new one, and pretty interested in the 1150, because it seems very efficient for flatwater pumping, on the other hand i could imagine that it is to slow for wakesurfing/foiling the 4th wave while a friend is wakesurfing the 1st one.
Nice but you never speak about wakefoiling. I am a 90Kg rider and ride on a 1000.... what after to chose ?
Hi there! Ah yes, for wakefoiling I actually prefer some of the previous Axis wings like the original 820 and 920 and the surf series 860. They are all a little slower than the wings in this video, and have much more earlier low speed lift which I feel makes them better suited to wakefoiling 😎🤙
Hi Larry,
At 60 kg which foil should I take from axis, to match with a fanatic 4,8 55litres and a duotone unit 3,3???
Hey Josep! Depending on your skill level and riding style, there are some sweet options…. I’m assuming you’re adequately powered with your 3.3 wing here 🤙
Max Performance / High Skill HPS650 or HPS700
All round wing performance / medium skill HPS830
All round performance / learning stage BSC740 or 810
Thanks, I'll go for the BSC 810 and I'll let you know the result asap
@@joseppc6802 good luck man! Enjoy the ride 😎🤙
What would my old Axis 900 front wing compare too in this vid? Im assuming the Pump n Glide 910? Thanks
Hey @Blurr Drone! Yes I guess the new 910b would be the closest, but every wing in the new range will be a significant improvement on your 900. They are all thinner and faster with more glide and just as easy pumping. The most noticeable benefit is how well they carve, something that the 900 wasn’t all that great at in comparison. What is your main style of riding and what is your current setup?
@@LarryFoiler Thanks Mate, Yeh keen to upgrade my gear soon. Im mainly into prone, I'm beginner/intermediate. However Im frothing tow-ins when waves are big behind the jetski. Riding big old rollers! So looking for something that can do both!? Something I can pump as well. Current setup is 900 Front wing, ultra short fuse and 370 rear. I weigh 75kg.
Maybe the 760 or 860 mate?
@@blurr.drone. yep the 760 was my favourite in the Axis red system. For what you want, an upgrade to the black series would give you the best options though. The BSC 810 and 890 for prone performance for sure. Super loose for carving and plenty of power to pump and link waves. The BSC810 with crazy short fuse and 400 rear is my favourite setup.
@@LarryFoiler Thankyou! Great Vid for Axis keep it up!
Awesome video and very clear! One question do you feel the HPS650 works also in medium winds like 20knots? Could it replace your 700 and be your standard wing foil set? (Hesitating between the 700 and 650)
Hi mate! At this stage I’m still going for the 700. Main reason is that I’ve still never felt that’s it’s too lifty or felt overpowered in any way. Even in bigger waves or going super fast. Perhaps people lighter than my 64kg would consider the 650 as their primary wing for wingfoiling but I’m so used to the 700 it’s hard for me to change 😂😎🤙😀
@@LarryFoiler Awesome feedback as always! Continue the great videos like these mate!
@@peteraromatai1369 thanks heaps mate I appreciate it! ☺️☺️🤙🤙