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  • čas přidán 6. 04. 2024
  • Discover the truth about tape measures with Vince from VCG Construction, as we delve into the world of measuring tools at The Home Depot! In this enlightening video, we put four of the most popular tape measures to the test, including the Milwaukee 25ft Magnetic STUD Tape Measure, Milwaukee 25 ft. Compact Tape Measure, DEWALT ATOMIC Compact Series 25' Tape Measure, and DEWALT ToughSeries Tape Measure 25'. Join us for a detailed examination of these essential tools to see if they live up to their manufacturer's claims and our rigorous accuracy tests.
    Vince from VCG Construction will guide you through an informative session, comparing features, durability, and the unique aspects of each tape measure. Whether you're a professional contractor or a DIY enthusiast, this video is packed with insights to help you choose the right tape measure for your projects.
    Key highlights of the video include:
    In-depth look at the top-selling tape measures at The Home Depot
    Hands-on testing of the Milwaukee and DEWALT tape measures
    Expert analysis of accuracy and manufacturer's claims
    Practical advice on selecting the best tape measure for your needs
    Don't miss out on this opportunity to enhance your tool knowledge with VCG Construction's expert insights. Subscribe to our channel for more helpful tips and product reviews, ensuring you have the right tools for every job.
    Remember, when it comes to precision and reliability in your projects, choosing the right tape measure can make all the difference. Watch our video to find out if you've been using the wrong one!
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Komentáře • 154

  • @snowsheldon77
    @snowsheldon77 Před 2 měsíci +56

    I have all Milwaukee tools but still continue to use the Fat Max

    • @gel258dart
      @gel258dart Před 2 měsíci +1

      Agreed. I went through a stud and a wide blade pretty quickly. Both blades ripped

    • @UGKxBatman25
      @UGKxBatman25 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Same here. I’m a commercial plumber here in Houston and all I use is Milwaukee hand tools and power tools and fat max

    • @davidwperkins
      @davidwperkins Před 2 měsíci +5

      Stanley Fat Max all the way. My buddies make fun of me, but I have been using the same 3 Stanley tape measures for at least 10 years while they seem to buy new ones every year of red and yellow brands

    • @ELDIESTRODIY
      @ELDIESTRODIY Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yup me too

    • @damonw3838
      @damonw3838 Před 2 měsíci +3

      The fat max doesn't even need to be tested it's the best for carpenters 100percent

  • @stephenleepmg113
    @stephenleepmg113 Před 2 měsíci +8

    The Stanley Fax Max has an 1/8" cut in the nose of the tape. If a person doesn't realize that fact, it can create all kinds of confusion.
    Love the video Vince.
    Very comprehensive.
    I've used the Fax Max for a lot of years

  • @repoman6034
    @repoman6034 Před 2 měsíci +15

    Fat Max not included? I stopped right there. Take a field trip to a job site!

    • @Lavackfarmboys
      @Lavackfarmboys Před 2 měsíci +2

      The fat Max has ascended from testing and became a control

    • @ILruffian
      @ILruffian Před měsícem

      Spot on. Fat Max all the way. I'm a brand loyal Milwaukee guy, but tapes are the exception.

  • @meagaindave2049
    @meagaindave2049 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Yo Vince! The Milwaukee 25 ft. compact as the overall winner? Ha ha! I have 2 of them. 💪Bought a twin pack of them for $20 during black Friday event a couple years ago. Thanks for all you do. I watched every second of this video. Peace and God be with the Carneglias and all #theverycoolgang. 🙂👍✌️

  • @briannelson6259
    @briannelson6259 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Thank you, Vince, for all your testing imput 👍 It helps us all out when purchasing 😊

  • @BillWilliams-uy5lr
    @BillWilliams-uy5lr Před 2 měsíci +4

    Vince, your tape review was awesome thanks for taking the time👍🏻

  • @NNITRED
    @NNITRED Před 2 měsíci +9

    FatMax all day. I've got four and they all still work great. I ain't fixing nothing that isn't broke.

  • @patrickrutowski1482
    @patrickrutowski1482 Před 2 měsíci

    This was excellent! Thank you!

  • @ItsMrBlu
    @ItsMrBlu Před 2 měsíci +5

    Still use the old school powerlock. Thanks for the tests!!

  • @georgeferlazzo7936
    @georgeferlazzo7936 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Hello again, Vince and Vcg
    Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I guess the question is just how accurate do they measure. If they are off, I would have to get a better measuring tape. Again thank you 👍

  • @cbucs6
    @cbucs6 Před 2 měsíci +2

    have the stud works like a charm wearing very well after 4 years

  • @TheYonkel
    @TheYonkel Před 2 měsíci +19

    Where is my Stanley lever lock. 😢

    • @Inferno5150
      @Inferno5150 Před 2 měsíci +11

      . . . and where's my Stanley FatMax

    • @bluemantom77
      @bluemantom77 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I have one right now along with Lufkin shockfoce

    • @bluemantom77
      @bluemantom77 Před 2 měsíci +1

      They did a video on this channel and the Stanley level lock came out on top it is on vcg channel

    • @VCGConstruction
      @VCGConstruction  Před 2 měsíci +4

      czcams.com/video/aut78kmVHXI/video.htmlsi=vmlSOhIzR__s0VQC

    • @bluemantom77
      @bluemantom77 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@VCGConstruction thank you for sharing it I will take mine down now since she was as official for you I was just trying to look out to help people out that didn't understand

  • @ElectroAtletico
    @ElectroAtletico Před měsícem

    You're 100% correct. Stop being brand loyal.
    My Milwaukee tape measure filled up with junk that the blade was dragging into the inside (and getting inside the mechanics via that silly finger brake hole). I got tired of it, so I placed it on top of a tree stump and shot it.
    I've been using a Harbor Freight HERCULES tape measure since then, I got it on sale for $10, and love it!

  • @scotthayward996
    @scotthayward996 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I love my 30’ fat max has been my go to for years . But I would like to give the compact millwakee compact a try . Thanks Vince

    • @scotthayward996
      @scotthayward996 Před 2 měsíci

      Update my local hardware store had the Milwaukee compact 30’ for 10 bucks . Great deal not as nice reading as the fat max but not a fat max price . Thanks again Vince

  • @Griffinwoodworks
    @Griffinwoodworks Před 2 měsíci +1

    I’d like to see Fastcap tapes included in these. They’re cheap, accurate and easy to read with my middle aged eyes lol. Being a woodworker, mine don’t leave shop much, so they don’t take a ton of abuse. I’d like to see how they’d hold up compared to the others.

  • @carnivoreabq8488
    @carnivoreabq8488 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Looking jacked Vince 💪🏼

    • @ILruffian
      @ILruffian Před měsícem

      He is looking a bit pumped up these days.

  • @theSaltyCarpenter
    @theSaltyCarpenter Před 2 měsíci

    I've been trying literally every tape measure and my new favorite is Tajima strong tape.

  • @jimb9283
    @jimb9283 Před 2 měsíci

    Im all Dewalt from toughsystem to all my cordless, but i love that milwaukee Stud with wire pocket clip. Held up the best to mud and concrete dust

  • @steventicknor8059
    @steventicknor8059 Před 2 měsíci

    I had the wide blade and stud and they both had issues with the tape getting twisted and kinks within a couple of months. I just recently bought the tough series and within a day the thing broke so I returned it and the 2nd one a rivet in the hook broke off within a few weeks. I now use a Kobalt at least I know it’s cheap and if they all suck it may as well be cheap to replace.

  • @gric111
    @gric111 Před 2 měsíci

    I enjoy the komelon contractor series tapes. I use the stainless spring for trim and the fatmax lookin one for framing

  • @jakegrant197
    @jakegrant197 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I'm a total Milwaukee guy, but I have used many different tapes. In all honesty, the milwaukee 25ft stud tape is the best I've used imo.

  • @DF-tz3ix
    @DF-tz3ix Před 2 měsíci +11

    Wish you would have tested Lufkin Night Eye as in my experience beats others.

    • @kickyourfaceandlaugh607
      @kickyourfaceandlaugh607 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Those tapes suck. Got one free from a builder we worked with 5 years ago. Marks fade away and edges are razor sharp I cut my finger all the time with that tape. Stanly fatmax is the best and only tape I use 10 years+

    • @bullyjay1957
      @bullyjay1957 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The black tape with yellow markings sure looks like no other but mine didn’t even last 2 months under light duty use. I had to replace mine with Milwaukee stud

    • @norzoloco1
      @norzoloco1 Před 2 měsíci

      I had one and I never use it anymore because it has an exposed metal hook that WILL bend when dropped. Any tape measure that has an exposed hook is automatically garbage because on a real jobsite shit happens. Tools get dropped. My Milwaukee 25' has a recessed hook that's totally protected. Love it.

  • @josh-yy8wx
    @josh-yy8wx Před 2 měsíci +3

    Stanley fatmax are the best hands down im a cladder and mine get wet all the time and still last a long time. Tried all these over the years and non of them compare to Stanley

  • @BuffaloWarrior7
    @BuffaloWarrior7 Před 2 měsíci

    Love Milwaukee's 6'/10m mini tape measure. I have 4? of them. Ones always close by. I 3D print a lot so having metric is awesome. It's really readable compared to competitors. I got a Dewalt and Milwaukee 25' tape measure- there both fine. But I use a laser more than a 25' tape measure.

  • @CZ-kz7ug
    @CZ-kz7ug Před 2 měsíci +1

    I like the self lock Komelon.

  • @dollarsign77
    @dollarsign77 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I've never had bad luck with the 25ft auto locking fatmax

  • @danbegin8532
    @danbegin8532 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm a Nite-eye Shockforce G2 tape user, purely because the neon numbers against the black background is just easier for my eyes. I do like the FatMax and Atomic when using other people's tapes. I will say the Shockforce does have the same issue of the clip sticks below the tape body and is susceptible to damage if you are clumsy.

  • @kchilz32
    @kchilz32 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I got the Milwaukee stud on Christmas sale 20 bucks for two

  • @sizzleneck
    @sizzleneck Před 2 měsíci

    I got the Milwaukee 25' Compact for $9.72 during the holidays, lucky pick 👍🏼

  • @buzzed0nbeer21
    @buzzed0nbeer21 Před 2 měsíci

    Measure once cut once…..16’ studs been my go to since it came out a few years ago.

  • @harisjaved1379
    @harisjaved1379 Před 2 měsíci +1

    No Vince I am using REEKON T1! It’s the best measure on the market! But the Milwaukee ones are really good! I use them too!

  • @pokemonaredangerous_offici3107

    Lowes tough built is really good if anyone whos not brand loyal. Thank you for the video!

  • @scottdezieck7056
    @scottdezieck7056 Před 2 měsíci

    Own both plus others. Not biased to any brand but i dont like the Milwaukee as much as the DeWalt in these current versions as they seem to wear out quicker (coating) plus rather have a slightly slower retraction to prevent tip damage. But use what tou like. And yes my antique Stanley still works great so will take that over both of these.

  • @Inferno5150
    @Inferno5150 Před 2 měsíci +4

    TV NEWS: "Protests erupt in front of the VCG Headquarters due to the absence of 'Stanley representation"

  • @YellowGhost199
    @YellowGhost199 Před měsícem +1

    I got two of the Milwaukee 25ft mag studs for $19.99 a few months back. Sounds like I scored.

  • @djmidnightwolf
    @djmidnightwolf Před 2 měsíci +4

    I prefer my Lufkin Shockforce G2. The neon green on the black is quite nice

    • @gric111
      @gric111 Před 2 měsíci

      I like these but they twist on me so fast it's ridiculous

    • @Tatorhead1234
      @Tatorhead1234 Před 3 dny

      Yea mine lasted about a month before peeling

  • @ogatkinson6274
    @ogatkinson6274 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I own the Milwaukee 25 ft compact.

  • @josephrottina1901
    @josephrottina1901 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great job my brother.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @VCGConstruction
      @VCGConstruction  Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks Joseph, really appreciate it! Hope you’re doing well my brother! 👍🏻

  • @austinfackender
    @austinfackender Před 2 měsíci

    I do really enjoy my milwaukee stud, but mainly for durability or else I would have stuck with a compact.

  • @SteveT.
    @SteveT. Před 2 měsíci +2

    Stanley is the standard

  • @adrianbejan6693
    @adrianbejan6693 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Could you review the Reekon Tomahawk T1 tape measure? Is it worth it

    • @REEKONTools
      @REEKONTools Před 13 dny +1

      happy to provide if interested in testing out vcgconstruction!

  • @danielbaer7308
    @danielbaer7308 Před 2 měsíci +3

    idk....but this needs to be the new eye test at the doctor

  • @joshuamiller8191
    @joshuamiller8191 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I wanna see the toughbuilt tapes tested

    • @Invisus_Letum
      @Invisus_Letum Před měsícem

      tb tape is almost just right, the way the hook sits when its rolled up is too flush, can be a bitch to pull out but otherwise great tape.. good as any anyway

  • @jeromeharris5197
    @jeromeharris5197 Před 15 dny

    I like the lime green one.. can see that thing a mile away and in the dark.

  • @joelrodriguez9661
    @joelrodriguez9661 Před 2 měsíci +1

    If you need such long stand outs, why not just invest in a laser distance measurer?
    I know you'll still need a tape for certain applications. But an LDM can do so much more and much more quickly.

  • @charlesfelix9955
    @charlesfelix9955 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have used all of these. Stanley Fatman is by far the best, dewalt second. I love milwaukee and have almost everything, but their tape measures will cut ya after so long.

  • @anythingeverythingmark
    @anythingeverythingmark Před 2 měsíci

    Komeleon tapes the only ones to buy now. The discount price on the contractor ones is too good to pass up. Can be found for around $10 on discount. I have one that's 5 years old been in rain, sand, cold and still out performs a fatmax(one of the worst tape measures made)

  • @slimdougmaddox4634
    @slimdougmaddox4634 Před 2 měsíci

    Let's just rename this "The Milwaukee Olympics" 😅

  • @andrewnygren7131
    @andrewnygren7131 Před 2 měsíci

    I love my black Crescent tapes. They stand by their lifetime warranty so I really can't complain when I need a new one in 6 months.

    • @Invisus_Letum
      @Invisus_Letum Před měsícem

      cases are tough as hell, . tape could be tougher though

  • @RidgidRon
    @RidgidRon Před 2 měsíci +1

    The time in between retraction is minimal. The question is that would a slower one have a less chance of damaging the end than a faster one?

  • @jronmanbuilds
    @jronmanbuilds Před 2 měsíci

    Wow I didn't know you worked for Price is Right. Did you start right out of high school?

  • @KunalVaidya
    @KunalVaidya Před 2 měsíci

    Please help me decide between "Bosch GSB 185 li" and "Makita HP333DWYE" which are available in India at approx similar price of 11700 indian Rupee INR (approx 140 US$)
    GSB 185 is brushless hammer drill on 18v batttery , vs Makita HP333D is a brushed hammer drill on 12v battery
    Talking to Makita India folks they said DF332DWYE is deprecated and so entry level brushless option from Makita I don't have.
    Bosch is pretty commonly available in India compared to Makita , so Makita brand is attractive between the two options.

  • @greezy937
    @greezy937 Před 2 měsíci +3

    It doesn't matter what tape you use. Just me consistent with your tape.

    • @bluemantom77
      @bluemantom77 Před 2 měsíci

      Exactly for as long as I can remember I was using the power lock I my first upgrade was a Stanley level lock to me it was and then I got a Lufkin Black widow

    • @greezy937
      @greezy937 Před 2 měsíci

      @@bluemantom77 I use a Milwaukee tape because it came in a bundle with some other Milwaukee stuff. It does just fine. No I don't know why I have six total though 🤣🤣🤣

    • @bluemantom77
      @bluemantom77 Před 2 měsíci

      @@greezy937 exactly use whatever works for you some of those extreme tests that people put these through not all of us will experience for the most part we're fine with what we use

  • @toddincabo
    @toddincabo Před 2 měsíci +1

    👍 Bob Barker was the man! Barker's Beauties!

  • @zamom
    @zamom Před 2 měsíci +1

    Ultimate tape would be a fat max classic with the scale printed on the bottom off the tape and a revamped hook like the lufkin shockforce g2… maybe a fat max nite eye too.
    Milwaukee compact is trash cluttered to read rusts in a week. The only tape I hate more is the tajima g25 overpriced mid tier tape that broke first time hooking a board.

  • @jasoncollett2500
    @jasoncollett2500 Před 2 měsíci +1

    On readability, cover up the tape measures to ensure brand bias doesn’t place into someone’s opinion

  • @jjb0894
    @jjb0894 Před 2 měsíci

    I love doorable tools.

  • @joeindustry
    @joeindustry Před 2 měsíci +1

    The first reading of A3 was closer to 13-7/8”.
    I use all four of these tape measures.

  • @rustyshackleford2723
    @rustyshackleford2723 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Test all tape ever made! Get busy😂

  • @MrIrontummy
    @MrIrontummy Před 2 měsíci

    I love my Milwaukee compact and is my main one on the job but also have a Stanley Farman magnetic which seems to stay on the shelf at home. Maybe bought for the magnetic feature but somehow not confident that it would be accurate as the measure starts from the other side of the catch. This flashed out to me as a deviation I am not confident about and hence on the shelf. Also to note that with just over a meter drop test, the rubber housing has noticeable scuffing. Glad I don’t own a Dewalt atomic after seeing your deviation tests Vince! Now thinking to get the Milwaukee stud gen 2😂

  • @BigInjun05
    @BigInjun05 Před 2 měsíci

    Did I just hear Vince say 14 16ths

  • @aquamansanchez8784
    @aquamansanchez8784 Před 2 měsíci

    Idk I got my toughbuilt, 25ft and it was only $16

  • @Burnsalmighty
    @Burnsalmighty Před 2 měsíci

    Fast Cap lefty righty all day. Unless I'm framing, then it's a fatmax.

  • @alannash5696
    @alannash5696 Před 2 měsíci

    I am a big time Milwaukee fan boy. However, I am seriously disappointed with their tape measures. The blades all twist about 12”. This causing them to not stay hooked when I grab an end of a piece of lumber. I have purchased 4 Milwaukee tape measures and they all got twisted. Nome of my Stanley tapes have this problem.

  • @skillstacking
    @skillstacking Před 2 měsíci

    As a Milwaukee guy, Fat max is king.

  • @VickyAmaru
    @VickyAmaru Před 2 měsíci

    Funny enough, the Milwaukee tape measurers have pretty poor reviews on their site. They mainly talk about the locks failing shortly after purchase. All of these are from several months ago, though. Maybe the newer products are better?

  • @artsilk2944
    @artsilk2944 Před 2 měsíci

    Lufkin Nite Eye & Tough Built missing from this comparison.

    • @VCGConstruction
      @VCGConstruction  Před 2 měsíci

      Your BUYING and USING the WRONG Tape Measure!
      czcams.com/video/aut78kmVHXI/video.html

  • @steventicknor8059
    @steventicknor8059 Před 2 měsíci

    I will say that Milwaukee was much better than the Dewalt when I used them. I wish Dewalt would update and bring back their XP with dual sided scales.

  • @kirkdunn1379
    @kirkdunn1379 Před 2 měsíci

    if your using the same one accuracy doesnt matter
    I like original silver 25ft Stanley after using fat max for years.....too expensive and they dont last.....went back to original a year ago

  • @mickhvac3908
    @mickhvac3908 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I broke the Milwaukee stud. Ripped the tape.

    • @VCGConstruction
      @VCGConstruction  Před 2 měsíci

      Billions & Billions served, How you Dern?

    • @mickhvac3908
      @mickhvac3908 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@VCGConstruction good cuz. Living the dream. Glad to see you doing the same 🤙

  • @yobryan88
    @yobryan88 Před 2 měsíci

    What about metrics?

  • @dawid3354
    @dawid3354 Před 2 měsíci

    Milwaukee tapes look nice, unfortunately, they are very resistant to water, dirt, and scratches. Additionally, the retraction speed test is unnecessary because hitting the tape's end after several hundred hits will cause the measuring tape to become uncalibrated. I have owned tapes from Stanley and Dewalt for several years and would not switch them for Milwaukee. If you think otherwise, then do a test by retracting the tape using sandpaper with equal pressure on each measuring tape and then throwing them into water for 24 hours. Because this is comparable to real-life conditions.

  • @erkinozdil9266
    @erkinozdil9266 Před 2 měsíci +1

    vince how big is your upper arm size

  • @mastermetalshredder
    @mastermetalshredder Před 2 měsíci +4

    FatMax all day long

  • @JasonLuther1
    @JasonLuther1 Před měsícem

    Haha he said 14/16
    15:23

  • @GmoneyX112
    @GmoneyX112 Před 2 měsíci

    LOL Vince always picks Milwaukee over DeWalt

  • @mjc8761
    @mjc8761 Před 2 měsíci +1

    😮

  • @SchondorfEnt
    @SchondorfEnt Před 2 měsíci

    Klein makes the best tapes. Hands down. Sorry, I have everything Milwaukee. It their tapes.

  • @rockoshoo
    @rockoshoo Před 2 měsíci +1

    If a tape isn't accurate out the box, should be failed immediately. Literally your only job is to give me correct measurements.

  • @jonniez62
    @jonniez62 Před 2 měsíci

    Traceable NIST...

  • @stewarttrains98
    @stewarttrains98 Před 2 měsíci

    Should have actually performed a high drop test. The plinko board doesn't really give it the impact of a 25 ft plus drop. So your testing is good but incomplete.

  • @RolexDSSD
    @RolexDSSD Před 2 měsíci

    Just eye 👁️ ball 🏀 it.

  • @JacobOverman
    @JacobOverman Před měsícem

    8:30 he says 14/16

  • @DGALVIN45
    @DGALVIN45 Před 2 měsíci

    B1 - 🤔 23-14/16" ? ? ?

  • @bradyknowzbest1149
    @bradyknowzbest1149 Před 2 měsíci +1

    They definitely Didn't ask around. They just chose what they like. Everyone knows Fatmax is king.

  • @Zednix
    @Zednix Před 2 měsíci +1

    Fat Max is still the king.

  • @christophercrawford2736
    @christophercrawford2736 Před 2 měsíci

    MY using the wrong tape measure.

  • @mariofigueroag
    @mariofigueroag Před 2 měsíci

    Bauer is king

  • @missdee212
    @missdee212 Před 2 měsíci

    Al but my drill run on a cord. So i buy what I want no brnd loyalty here

  • @DGALVIN45
    @DGALVIN45 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Fatmax auto lock >

  • @mat5667
    @mat5667 Před 2 měsíci

    *you're or you are not your...

  • @wranglermaxfield8384
    @wranglermaxfield8384 Před měsícem

    What is 14/16 lol you mean 7/8

  • @nickdiblasio7464
    @nickdiblasio7464 Před 2 měsíci

    Doesn’t matter what you test and most test Stanley’s always outlast second of all who reads the tape from that far out. Some of the test you do are ridiculous.

  • @AFishyOcean
    @AFishyOcean Před 2 měsíci

    *You're?

  • @loru90ate
    @loru90ate Před 2 měsíci

    You’re

  • @mitchellmayer6326
    @mitchellmayer6326 Před 2 měsíci

    You're using the wrong your

  • @kirchgoens
    @kirchgoens Před 2 měsíci

    You’re using “your” wrong. 🙂

  • @lisat9707
    @lisat9707 Před 2 měsíci

    No metric no Bueno.

  • @rusty-Shackleford
    @rusty-Shackleford Před 2 měsíci

    Stanly #1 dewalt #2 Milwaukiee #3 Lufkin trash

    • @VCGConstruction
      @VCGConstruction  Před 2 měsíci

      Don’t follow what you added “Trash” to the comment for?

  • @NB-cn9uk
    @NB-cn9uk Před 2 měsíci

    I think Stanley makes the best the Milwaukee sucks