Fixing Gen 3's Underwhelming Pokemon
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2023
- The Generation 3 Pokemon games are some of the most beloved in the entire franchise. Most people remember it for having a diverse, strong assortment of new Pokemon (or just for having too much water). But I don’t think people quite realize just how many mediocre to straight up bad Gen 3 Pokemon there are. That’s why today, I want to focus on a couple of Hoenn’s most underwhelming Pokemon and see how and if we can at least make them somewhat better for a playthrough.
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First comment! (pin plz)
OMG THANK U WOOP!
Dolt.
@@zenmastakilla ??
Hoen Region (too much water) rating 6/10
Ruby
Saphire
Emerald
Second comment ! QUACK !!
every day i wake up and remember how much game freak screwed over tropius
Well I made my Tropius somewhat viable on my Ribbon Master so I’m bringing Tropius justice!
HOLY FUCK IT'S ROYAL PEAR COMMENTING ON A WOOP VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, it was one of the better hm slaves. That's gotta count for something... right?
Try thinking about Regigigas once in a while
The literal pfp of him is a human tropius
Castform needs a sand form. I have no idea why that weather would weirdly be missing
I've been saying the same thing for ages. What I'm about to suggest wouldn't age well in later Gens but for the purposes of Gen 3 strictly, building on the "different stats for each form" idea from this video, the sand form could have easily distinguished itself from the rest as a physical attacker
the reason its missing is bc water molecule turning into sand is weird ig (its still a pretty meh reason tho since we have pokemon turning into crazier shit)
@@Iamverykarpy By that logic we'd have to explain the Sun form as well. Really, it just feels weird to arbitrarily leave out one of the four 'traditional' weather conditions.
@@Iamverykarpy a very lame reason because it's the weather Pokemon not the water molecule Pokemon
@@Iamverykarpy
Castform full weather potential made real by nintedo company:
Water form = rain (water type) (drizzle)
Ice form = snow/hail (ice type) (snow warning)
Sun form = sunny day (fire type) (drought)
Wind form = wind weather storm (flying type) (aerialite)
Sand form = sand storm (ground type) (sand stream)
Thunder form = lightning strikes (electric type) (lightning rod)
I think it wouldve been cool if you made Volbeat and Illumise Bug/Fire and Bug/Electric because of fireflies vs lightning bugs.
i was like this 100
volbeat and illumise should be electric and fire
fire for illumise (give it flamethrower and tail glow)
and volbeat should get thunderbolt and tail glow (and learn swords dance by tm/tutor
and in gen 4 and above
volbeat should remember SD and learn wild charge and x-scissor (since lunge was gen 7 :/) and illumise should get flamethrower and tail glow and focus blast and such oh MEGA EVOLVE THEM ALREADY!!!!!
Now that you mention it, I agree. We need more Hoenn fire types too
Probs not a thing in the Japanese naming convention
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 I'd make Volbeat the fire-type (since it's red) and Illumise the electric-type
@@seanp2871 i prefer volbeat to be electric because i'ts design looks like electric bug
I don't think Seviper should be faster, but instead a lot bulkier. Thematically, this makes it a more interesting rival to Zangoose (strong and fast vs. strong and durable) and I think it just fits its design more. Seviper LOOKS like someone who can take a hit, not like someone who can outspeed most threats.
Fully agree with you.
Yeah, look at how thick it is.
...not in that sense. ._.
@@robertlupa8273seviper got me actin up🥴
I agree with that and also that it should get an ability that should inflict different status to a Pokemon like Zangoose that is immune to Poison or buffed by it.
in the video he absically just speed crept everything, which makes sense since speed is the most important stat for viability... but if everything has buffed speed, then theyre not actually fast anymore. some things need to be weak for other things to be strong, thats just how it is
I was always irritated by the number of amazing designs that are non-viable to battle with 😂
Exactly. I love Gen 3's designs, but so many are not good in battle
@@eastsideeric2231Quetzal makes it Grass/Dragon
Plusle and Minun have the most useless ability in gen 3. Gen 4 however, Plus powers up the Sp.Atk stat by one stage in double battles and Minus does the same with Sp.Def. Still useless outside of Double battles and later triple battles in gen 5. For Slaking, it's an awesome Normal type but hindered by Traunt
@@Kali_Krause it's not that plus and minus is a bad ability, is that only ONLY electric and steel types get it, so you're forced to use two pokemon weak to ground in a meta where things like landorus, ting Lu, Ursaluna, dragonite with earthquake/stomping tantrum
In previous gens ground always have been a prominent type, just look at garchomp
@@eastsideeric2231Then Aereodactyl should be rock and dragon.
At first when I was child I thought Serviper was a Poison/Dark type because serviper has a sinister vibe in it's design
It would also be a far better typing
Poison is my favorite type and Poison/Dark is an excellent type combo. One weakness to Ground plus you get an immunity to Psychic, something the Poison type desperately needed in gen 4
@@Kali_KrauseAnd you gain an neutrality to fighting, which is also an very good trait.
@@joshspeed8404And he would also become neutral to the fairy type, damn, this is a very good combination of types
@@Kali_Krause Poison/Dark Pokémons are fking cool like....fart skunk and big puffer fish....also Drapion
I legit thought for YEARS that Chimecho debuted in Gen 4
It was in gen 3 but good fucking luck actually finding it without a guide. 😅
I blame chingling for this collective amnesia
It’s in exactly one patch of grass for the whole generation so yeah it might as well be gen 4
I had the guide and still never found it... 😅
@@stormrunner4081just like feebas in one tile of water and i think thats random depending on save file
Spinda: what is my purpose?
Trainer: you do teeter dance in doubles
Spinda: oh my god
Chimecho is based on a type of Japanese glass wind chime, making it part Steel type would feel pretty weird... I personally would give it secondary Normal typing. It already has Levitate, so gaining a second immunity to Ghost and removing a weakness at the same time seems pretty interesting for a defensive Pokémon without breaking it's theme.
My personal take on changing how it battles would be to lean into the strong support movepool it has it has, increasing it's defenses. 95 Special Attack is already great and it can hit pretty hard even without going all-in on offense, so I would bump it's HP up to 95 and it's Defense up to 85 to make it able to take hits better, and add Wish to it's levelup movepool.
I love the idea of making it normal type! Since the chimes ward off evil, making it straight up immune to ghosts would make so much sense. OR, since it's wards off Evil (Evil type being the name of the dark type in japanese) giving it an ability making it immune to dark instead of immune to ground with levitate!
But I could also so it being fairy/normal type instead of psychic. And keep levitate. Hopefully Chinecho gets the Girafarig treatment in gen 14 or something.
Chimecho's internal ID in Gen 3 implies that it was the last Pokemon added, possibly meaning it was a scrapped Legendary or just added last minute
Basically the Mew of Gen 3, but not worth it in the slightest
It was probably meant to be a gen 4 pokemon
I remember hearing a rumor that what they are based off of can give good luck and the devs weren't entirely confident in themselves (some big risks being done) so they added Chimecho for good luck.
Sadly I forget where I heard this rumor to properly source it.
Based off the prototypes of Gen 3 we got, this isn't the case; Chimecho was around for a decent while as a normal mon, and then got removed at some point, and then added back in
@@PolderjochThat's really weird
Why is this video unnecessarily horror edited?
Why not
I'm surprised you didn't mention Banette. Had a lot of potential as the ghost with the highest Attack stat in a time when Ghost was a physical type, but suffers from the same problem as Seviper: slow and frail. The solution is really just the same, making them faster.
The same applies to Absol, though in their case they have the additional problem of having the wrong offensive stat for their typing-- maybe also increase their Special Attack a bit? Not too much, since their design is too indicative of a physical attacker to take that away, just enough to be usable.
Surprised I forgot about it. Come to think of it, a lot of Gen 3 Pokemon seem to be made slow with only one good stat
I know some romhacks make it a Normal/Ghost type, which makes it immune to Ghost type attacks and gives it some pretty killer STAB potential with Return.
Out of your mind physical darks are amazing knock off sucker punch pursuit(when it's usable) and crunch are all incredible moves what's the benefit of making absol a special attacker, dark pulse?
Edit: just realized you said this cuz in gen 3 dark is special 💀 but that's a problem only in gen 3 so it doesn't really matter anymore
Well, his Mega form got a very suitable design for a permanent evolution.
You know? I actually think Absol really should have a high speed, for a design so sleak and agile looking, 70 is insulting, it should have at least 95
Honestly the most disappointment I have from castform is trying to get its non existent sand form to work as a kid
6:50 I would make one of them bug/electric and the other one bug/fire. I would help with both the lack of electric and fire types in the region + it references both of the names commonly used for their species. In both firefly and lightning bug. It would also help diversify themselves from each other.
That would definitely be great, along with making their stats better
That probably doesn’t make sense in most languages though. They don’t all use their word for fire in firefly. For example, “firefly” in Spanish is “luciérnaga”, but if you literally translated “fire fly” it would be “mosca se fuego” which no one says.
@@Begeru It doesn't have to make sense in other languages. I actually think it's interesting to find something out that isn't of your native language or culture.
@@adambryant4149 then I’m sure you found my comment interesting
@@Begeru Ofc, and I'd be happy for more Pokemon to have origins of spanish culture that non-Spanish speakers have no clue about.
I think giving Castform a weather duration boosting rock should automatically set up that weather upon switching in. Castform is not surviving the turn it uses to change the weather, and needs all the help it can get.
thats a sick idea
It would still make him inferior to all other weather setters. His alternate forms just should get 130 Satk, 130 Sdef, 130 Speed.
Yea, as if we need castform going to Ubers with flutter mane
@@scherox9362 He would be a lot more threatening, but he'd still need non-Sand weather up to be any good and he still has a mid movepool so I highly doubt if it'd push him into ubers. And if it does, it'd be a nice change of pace.
this sounds familiar... right, Radical Red made exactly this change to forecast.
Masquerain part isn’t really realistic at all imo. 512 BST on an early route bug is kind of insane especially noting the 100 special attack and 120 speed (which are the almost same as sceptile’s 105 special attack and 120 speed). Also glare is specifically for snake pokemon (it’s called something like snake glare in Japanese) AND is explicitly worse than stun spore in gen 3 since it’s the same accuracy but doesn’t affect ghost types. Good video though I enjoyed it
Edit: changed wording of first sentence
Yeah, on second thought I probably would have its special stats and speed be 90/90/100 instead
Also somehow Glare not being 100% accurate until Gen 6 completely eluded me
You're mostly correct, except for that glare is also given to drampa, druddigon and heliolisk as they are based on basilisks- which in mythology are able to turn their enemies to stone
@@PokemonWoopi would say for masquerain stats to stay as they are in sm, but maybe make his speed go from 80 to 95 and hp to 70ish or 75
cough* Vikavolt 500 bst cough*
Staraptor 485 bst cough*
@@anusthingyeah but you could probably also argue that they might be associating lizards/dragons with snakes
Its sad, Tropius' legacy will be that in platinum between it and bibarel can use every hm in the game. That is when it was most useful, such a waste of a cool design. And funny enough I have always thought that medicham and chimecho were gen 4 Pokemon since chingling and meditite were easier to find.
Not to mention Meditite wasn't even in Emerald.
@@robertlupa8273 that was always weird to me for the third version in which its the definitive version of the games, taking out pokemon made no sense. Like how mareep is not in crystal
A Mudkip? PERRY THE MUDKIP?!?
@@KirksMonsterLife Surprisingly that is the first time someone made that joke lmao
@@robertlupa8273 The fact that they took Hoenn pokémon out of Hoenn was so weird, especially since Brawly just kept his Meditite so that was basically the one time you saw it in-game aside from some other assorted trainers.
I agree with the Castform form stat changes a lot, but something that I think would make it really interesting is Forecast summoning weather on switch in based on the first move in its move slot's type: (i.e, Hydro Pump summons rain, Flamethrower summons Sun). That alone would make it interesting because it would be a highly adaptable Pokémon that you could use to make any weather team work. You can argue if it would be broken at that, but like. 1. It's still Castform and 2. The weather Pokémon should be the ultimate weather Pokémon!
That's the first time I've seen the "first moveslot" idea and I already love it. It's not like there's no set precedent for this - Conversion changes Porygon's type to the type of the first move it has.
The main problem with Hoenn is that there are a lot of pokemon that have no evolution once so ever. And even if they evolved, their evolution line kind of felt incomplete
I think the way to make Chimecho viable is to swap the locations of it and Abra. It can be a sort of Heracross type, bringing incredible strength in the early game, though unlike Heracross it would fall off later on.
It still annoys that Zangoose got a better stat spread than Seviper consider there supposed to be constantly at odds with each other
The gen 3 games were designed under a lot of crunch, which makes me think that things have changed less than Pokemon consumers think it has. Some of the gen 3 Pokemon movesets and stats feel incomplete or underpowered, especially seeing as they would have their sets further enhanced in FRLG, Emerald, and beyond. A large number of gen 3 Pokemon have very depressed base stat totals and average distributions compared to gen 4 and beyond. Mawile, Sableye, Lunatone, Solrock, Zangoose, and Seviper fill out a lot of the low BST version exclusive slots in the game, juxtaposed with Pinsir and Scyther or Mantine and Skarmory of previous games.
Makes sense in a way. Ruby and Sapphire only released 3 years after Gold and Silver, which is the rate of the last few games (Gens 4, 5 and 6 were given a considerably longer 4 year dev cycle and it really shows) and I'd have to imagine quite a few of those relative few precious months were spent simply figuring out the new hardware and stuff. I really don't envy GameFreak employees ngl.
Mawile depresses me 380 total like what the hell, then they "fixed" it with a mega but then they took that away then didn't bother buffing the base lons that were only viable from their megas now absol mawile lopunny sableye kengaskhan beedrill and so many others are back to being worthless trash
@@Garvant_ It's kind of sad that gamefreak easily could've buffed their stats, loads of earlier gen pokes got small stat buffs in gen 6 including Alakazam who got a mega in addition to a stat buff.
A bit late, But why not make Chimecho Psychic/Ghost? Very unique before Gen 6 and fits absolutely PERFECTLY with the area its found in
yeah, that would also make it the only psychic/ghost non-legendary ever lol
How to die instantly to dark and ghost moves:
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 it's chimeco it doesn't need to be good
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 Here's how I'd combat that: (this only applies to Chimecho in Gen6-Onwards)
1. Give it some fairy moves that make sense, so it has dark coverage. Fairy Wind and Moonblast seem to fit best IMO.
2. Give it some ghost moves that make sense, so it has ghost coverage. Ominous Wind, Shadow Ball, or Night Shade could work.
3. Give Chimecho some protection/ Defense Oriented moves. (Like Light Screen, Protect, Will-O-Wisps, or pretty much any sound-based move.)
4. Give Chimecho moves that could help it out if it's slower then said dark and ghost types. (Like Trick Room, Curse, Or Destiny Bond)
It's not much, but I'd think it's reasonable.
@@LloydVerner cool ideas though please know the floating air chimes hits like a light breeze, especially with its physical attack which all ghost moves are in gen 3. Night shade also does set damage which while I would enjoy it having this it doesn’t work as coverage. Fairy is also a bit too little, too late since even as a fairy it is likely getting sent to ZU or PU as Wigglytuff can attest. It also fets murdered by the funny sword and shield.
Light screen won’t work on the moves like pursuit and wisps doesn’t work on anything special. It is still quad weak to these moves.
Curse is easy to circumvent and isn’t very good due to eating half the total hp of the user and stopping upon switch out, destiny bond won’t work because destiny bond activates based on the user’s speed, and trick room always goes last unless the opponent is using a super low priority move as well as lasting a miserable 3 turns, before which chimecho is liable to being hit with any manner of pain or being rendered unoperational by taunt.
Imagine an in game event in gen 3 where instead of just giving you a cast form, they give you a quest to track weird weather and discover what is causing it and you chase the weather events to find cast form and catch it.
That,, that's literally the plot of the climax but without the Castform
I wish tropius had an offensively-oriented evolution, that way tropius can become a bulky SubSeeder. Similar to porygon-2 and porygon-z
Bro me and my brother loved this video. I agree WITH EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING! All of these Pokemon had so much potential, and it's sad they got left in the dust. Good video bro, as always.
Thanks Mr. Ttam!!!
Masquerain just needs to remain Bug/Water. Its typing is just horrible. It having wings shouldn't matter either because we already have Beedrill and Dustox.
I think for Chimecho instead of making it a fast special attacker I think you should’ve joined in on its supportive capabilities. It being faster is fine but I think you should’ve prioritizes it’d HP stat instead to be around base 85 with its speed at base 75. I think the extra bulk from the HP goes a long way especially for a Steel Psychic and while it’s not outrageously bulky it provides a valuable steel type that other psychic types want.
As for the moves itself I think for Gen 3 giving it access to Thunder Wave like they did in Gen 4 would be super helpful. For early game I can see it using Hypnosis instead of Yawn and using Disable instead of Double Edge. For coverage I think instead giving it access to Icy Wind as a level up move would be best since a Wind Chime usually handles cold winds.
One of my favorite parts about playing difficulty ROM hacks (my favorite and best example of this being inclement emerald) is the rebalance thats often done to make bottom tier mons useable. Some of my favorite examples of this being togedemaru, spinda, ledian, the list goes on. Always so fun to use mons I would, or could really never have touched before .
You should do a big video talking about how ABYSMAL old Pokémon movesets where especially before gen 4/5
And TMs could only be used once. Lol. Unless you add good Pokémon to your team, first 3 gens feel soooo sluggish.
Gen 1 has some strong Pokemon like Nidoking, Haunter/Gengar and Kadabra/Alakazam, but other powerhouses can only be obtained through Safari Zone (Dragonite, Chansey, Tauros), and by that time you would have to grind their levels up or actually grind to even find then, so not worth it. Plus, everything works (not to mention the basically gives you a free Jolteon/Vaporeon, Lapras, Snorlax...). So many good options that movesets don't matter much imo.
Gen 2 has no options. Not enough good Pokémon and bad movesets are balanced by the weaker enemies. Disgusting.
Gen 3 is more balanced than gen 1 in terms of choices and has more options than gen 2, but single use TM, not great movesets and many great Pokemon are late game. Most teams are basically your starter, Aggron, Manectric (pretty much bait), Gardevoir, Breloom and Flygon. The poor movesets and lack of more options pretty much force you to get at least 3 of the last 5 Pokémon I mentioned.
Most recent gens expanded movesets while also giving us unlimited TMs, and the games aren't too grinding focused. It feels more rewarding.
honestly masquerain should have much less speed since it can be found pretty early in ruby and sapphire, 95 speed would still be pretty fitting and usable at that. it also learns quiver dance in later gens so having 120 speed with that move would be kinda busted
youd have to compare it to the speed tiers in FRLG and RSE to find the best speed. i personally feel roughly 105 would be good but a buff to atk would be nice
Masquirain in game can be quite the demon in any generation with quiver dance, Much more with the buffs. Masquirain is in a fine spot ingame right now, not great but good.
@@costby1105 more of a testament to quiver dance being kinda busted, there are better users like venomoth, maybe butterfree, and especially volcorona
Talking about the speed always makes me think of gen 7, specifically Vikavolt.
I never understand some of these stat decisions made for these pokemon, especially those which you cant get until late in a playthrough.
Vikavolt: zipping around with its blazing 43 speed
Vikavolt also looks like it is based on some kind of Shmup spaceship too... you know something that is definitely crazy fast lol
I still don't know why they fking made it slow, cool coverage and all but horribly slow despite the design.
@@PokemonWoopSpeed isnt anything if the opponent cant crack you open.
I really liked this type of video, would love to see a take on gen 2 as well! As for Chimecho, I've always found it kind of weird how he's heavily wind-related but doesn't learn any wind-based moves. Its dex entry even claims it can create powerful winds.
Mightyena was such a disappointment. I love it's design too. Too bad the stats aren't great. Moves aren't that good either. It's best moves are hyper beam, body slam, crunch, double-edge, shadow ball, and iron tail. Only one is stab and it's off of it's sucky 60 special. 90 attack is okay but it is the best stat it has.
At least that one's an early game encounter and has a very good ability after evolving, so they get to be useful for a bit before their subpar stats start catching up
Tropius is such a cool looking Pokémon, with the clear dinosaur and banana tree motifs blending so well together… not to mention a flying sauropod is just incredible. I didn’t use it much, but I defeated Wallace’s level 40+ Whiscash with a level 25 Tropius since it’s basically the perfect counter to ground/water types.
Cool to see the open being Delcatty, recently I’ve been pushing at the idea of a regional variant for skitty based of the black footed cat. I wouldn’t want it to evolve, but it’d get a big enough boost in stats to make up for it. The black footed cat has the biggest success rate of hunting at a whopping 60% (lions have a success rate of 20%), they remain solitary and are almost always on the hunt. These line up in similarity to the dex entries for Skitty that talk about it being difficult to earn their trust and how they always love chasing moving objects. You can write it off as Skitty having an ingrained desire to hunt.
Would love to see a gen 4 version for mons like Kricketune, Lumineon, etc.
Kricketune has a BST of 384, just give it another whole evolution stage, lol.
I would love to see this for gen 2. Just fix about 90% of gen 2 mons😂
There is actually a video like that by SmithPlaysPokemon! He's also developing a Crystal romhack to make it the most definitive version of the GB Johto titles, I recommend checking it out
Unfortunately it's true. gen 2 was more of an addendum to gen 1 since it had only 100 mons not to mention very weak overall and the origin of the skarmory slugma treatment chimecho got with no compensation
definitely want to check out gens 1 and 2 as well. A lot of poorly aged Pokemon
@PokemonWoop I can agree when I say that Charizard definitely aged poorly after gen 4. Double weak to Stealth Rocks, gets punked by Chi-Yu in gen 9, etc. It's a cautionary tale that no matter how much someone likes a gen 1 pokemon, there will be a time where bigger and better pokemon appear, thus outclassing even the most classic of pokemon
just coming here to say that the video editing is really cool, the dark theme is very refreshing, even if you are speaking about pokemon i never saw anything like it, i literally had to comment because its so good, so yeah amazing stuff
why are your bg clips so spooky 😂
Yeah Chimecho is a tricky one. Because it's supposed to be a pretty feeble glass chime. I remember thinking about how I would have changed it a while ago and the only thing I came up with was adjusting its moveset.
I originally thought it should be psychic ghost, but I think I was just being biased based off of where it is found.
I think that instead it should be psychic/flying type, since its a wind chime. I don't think any changes to its base stats would make sense except maybe a boost to sp. Atk. But I think that it's movepool should be expanded to be more "mystical" and whimsical. Like it should get psychic really early, but also stuff like mirror move and metronome. Also moves like sing/hypnosis and dream eater/nightmare.
I feel like pokemon like chimecho with stats that bad are the perfect candidates to just get every move under the sun for any and every playstyle. Because when you really look at it, no amount of broken moveset could make it overpowered, which makes it the perfect candidate.
Alternatively it could be given the Azumaril treatment and get a "doubles sp.atk" ability.
I still think Pyschic/Ghost kinda fits. Chimecho is based off 'tool spirits' of Japanese mythology (forget their exact name), which was the belief that if a tool was treated with enough love and care that it would last 100 years, it would develop a soul. Yeah this can still just be psychic, but the more occult vibes I think can push it into ghost.
I like the idea of Chimecho having low stats, but some of the strongest damage dealing moves in the game. To sort of mimic the idea that a lot of yokai, though frail, still had immense occult powers at their disposal.
You're absolutely crazy for those Masquerain buffs, 120 speed is just pure nonsense, it's literally already decent and more than usable in general with or without the latest gen's buffs, for casual play or even competitive
The Delcatty buffs are probably the ones that makes the most sense and they're already a little too much, you don't fix mons by just randomly giving them +80/+100 base stat total, like, you literally made Masquerain, an early game bug type, have more base stat total than freaking Walrein of all things or even the starters on their final evolved form
I think it would've been neat if Castform had an ability that would select a random weather effect upon entry
I love the designs from gen 3, I feel like they were honestly really creative and some of my favorite Pokémon designs like Banette, Tropius, Absol, Flygon, and Breloom. They all have a lot of personality and are so unique and eye-catching. I have been playing the mystery dungeon games recently and because the play style is a bit different, less strong Pokémon are able to shine a bit more. Absol for example is a pretty strong pokemon in the game, as well as shiftry and mightyena, and it was really fun to be able to use Pokémon that I would never choose for my team in the main games. I think a lot of the gen 3 Pokémon deserve a little revamp, or at least a new way to sort of break them out of their current standing, whether it be new regional variants or a new way to play with them, instead of another Meowth regional variant or something annoying like that. It’s kinda sad that mega evolutions are done too because with Absol and Banette at least it helped make them more playable and built on their already strong designs.
I actually used a Castform on my original Emerald team. As expected, it wasn't very good. But the main reason for that in my opinion was because it didn't have full access to it's versatile moveset since TMs weren't reusable. I played an Emerald hack that added recent mechanics like the Physical Special Split, the Fairy Type, and of course reusable TMs, and because I was able to change its moveset for whatever situation it was actually very useful.
I do love the rom hacks that add fairy typing and the special split. Let’s you have the nostalgia trip with the more refined mechanics.
What about making chimeco a psychic/normal? Would give it a ghost immunity, and it could get stab on sound moves like uproar.
Could also give it something like prankster in later gens, since it is pretty playful usually, and it would make it's non offensive moves more viable.
Idk what else would be good though.
What I learned from this video is that Extrasensory was introduced in gen 3, not gen 4. Apparently it was the signature move of Nuzleaf of all Pokemon. I do think giving Delcatty the fairy type kind of clashes thematically since it's very much a normal Pokemon and has Normalize as its signature ability.
Very cool video and idea! Did some of this in a more broader scope of gens before as a game design major with a hyperfixation and a problem (these are more focused on creating something with at least a niche or something it can do in a competitive sense, not centralizing but not unnotable while still making sense thematically):
Magcargo gets Mold Breaker and Dry Skin to replace Magma Armor and Weak Armor
-I think that Magcargo is held back by two key weaknesses; it's typing and abilities. Neither serve its defensive stats or strangely decent movepool, but this pokemon is also not necessarily best served as a sweeper or wall. Its kit serves it more as a utility or support mon, and this is where Mold Breaker comes into play. Magcargo gets access to great status moves like Yawn, Stealth Rock, Toxic, and Will-O-Wisp. All of these moves can be blocked by abilities, whether it's Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, sleep immunity like Insomnia/Vital Spirit, or other abilities like Flash Fire or Water Veil. Mold Breaker not only allows Magcargo to ignore these abilities, but others like Levitate, Filter/Solid Rock, or Flash Fire when dealing its damage. It's a surprisingly good ability for a rocks setter to have, as seen with Excadrill (who also had Rapid Spin to compliment that but whatever). It also makes sense from a semantic perspective, because a being made of pure magma would obviously melt down hypothetical molds very easily. Magcargo also has access to a wide berth of unique resistances, those being Normal, Flying, Poison, Bug, Fire, Ice, and Fairy. It also gets reliable recovery in Recover. Unfortunately, those benefits come with a caveat in its double weakness to both Ground and Water, as well as being also weak to Fighting and Rock. All horrible weaknesses that make an otherwise solid defensive lynch pin turn into mush very quickly. How can this be amended? Give it an immunity to one of those key weaknesses. Dry Skin comes to mind out of all the other immunity abilities it could benefit from. Not only does it heal during rain, but it also gains immunity and restores HP from Water type attacks. This makes it uniquely positioned to function as a surprising rain team wall with a unique set of resistances/STAB coverage allowing it to hard wall most waters with ice coverage, and it still has Mold Breaker as a backup option if someone doesn't like the sun damage. The drawbacks of taking double fire damage also barely affect it as it's quad resistant to that damage anyways. And while I'm not sure how much sense it makes to have it heal from rain and damaged from sun, it definitely has dry skin on its shell that might fortify itself cooling down, instead melting further with heat. It is a snail at the end of the day after all. Better in rain than sun. I'm not saying it would be amazing or anything with these changes, but it would at least stand more of a chance this way.
Chatot gets Punk Rock to replace Keen Eye and Gale Wings instead of Big Pecks
-Chatot I think suffers from a similar condition as Magcargo (it is much better though for many reasons), it has lackluster abilities and stats with a stellar movepool for a sweeper. Punk Rock Allows Boomburst and Chatter to really shine as both almost flagship moves of Chatot's sweeping kit directly benefit from its boost. It also makes a lot of sense for its musically oriented design, though I would say it deigns itself to something far more classical. Gale Wings might be a hard sell, especially considering it's a signature ability and all that, but we all know gamefreak isn't afraid of giving out previously signature abilities or moves to new pokemon. I think this one actually has a lot more to offer from a utilitarian perspective. Defog and Tailwind are both incredibly useful to have priority on in both singles and doubles respectively, see Murkrow's stints in VGC as an unevolved pokemon for how important that kind of priority could potentially be. Chatter also provides another annoying priority benefit, having a 100% confusion chance while also dealing some damage. If you go first with this kind of move, the opponent will instantly have a chance to hit themselves and the gamble of this status suddenly becomes far less risky. This ability only works on a few moves because of the 100% health caveat, is still useful enough to be good, but not broken due to meager stat pool/typing. It also makes sense as a flying type to get gale wings in general, though I'm not sure if a parrot necessarily deserves the same level of aerial prowess as a peregrine falcon or whatever Talonflame is based on.
Glaceon gets Refrigerate instead of Ice Body, Leafeon gets Sharpness instead of Leaf Guard
-I grouped these two together bc a) this comment is getting really long and b) I think they go together thematically. Glaceon gets access to a whopping 130 special attack, with decent defensive stats and mediocre speed/attack. This would work perfectly for a tanky attacker, but there's just one issue; Ice type is bad lmao. Defensively it's one of the worst, though offensively it's one of the best to have STAB on. Ice Body does next to nothing for it because it would have to live more than one hit or have any good recovery to make any use of it on already niche hail teams. This is where refrigerate comes in. while it's Ice STAB is already okay, imagine if this thing could ramp up to Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Beam or Hyper Voice levels of damage but with an even higher Sp. Atk? The achilles heel being the Ice typing that it already has and lack of speed to pull KOs. Glaceon already has decent coverage to compliment those sets, and after doing some calcs it's tremendous how many pokemon this thing can potentially KO with a boosted hyper beam. Albeit it would probably just be a trade when the next mon revenges but it's still impressive. Refrigerate makes sense for a pokemon of the cold, I feel like it's a pretty generalized ability and fits thematically considering Sylveon also has an adjacent ability in Pixilate.
-Leafeon's Leaf Guard ability is just one of the most redundant payoffs for this pokemon for many reasons. Oh wow, can't get burned or paralyzed because the sun is up, glad I spent a whole team slot to get that up reliably instead of using Chlorophyll and just outspeeding... Anyways, Sharpness shores up Leafeon's otherwise underwhelming offensive power. It has a decent speed and attack stat, but lacks a good boosting ability to make use of 110/95 stats outside of sun. Sharpness affects many moves it already has in its kit like Leaf blade, X-Scissor, and Aerial Ace. If paired with SD, that could get dangerous fast (though it's admittedly not the best coverage, I could see adding some other Sharpness boosted moves for this purpose). I think this one makes sense because Leafeon's leaves look sharp and crinkly as opposed to smooth and soft. It's a very angular look, and plants can definitely be sharp in general.
I think that's all I'll include bc this got wayyy too long and these were my favorites out of the changes I wrote down, glad to see more people engaging with this type of game balance stuff! Love discussions like this, always fun to think about what could be and how that would affect a pokemon's viability.
It doesn't make sense to give Masquerain the water typing. It's dex entries say that it hates water because of it's antennae.
Linoone can learn the combo Extremespeed + Belly Drum, it's a BEAST if well trained...
Linoone has Espeed as an event move and learns belly drum way too late for it to be useful as an in game strat. Realistically Linoone is one of those in game mons that accelerate your early game but are supposed to be replaced with stronger mons later
This was a great video. Gen 3 is my absolute favorite, but I was very confused with the choices gamefreak made, namely the huge number of 'Gimmick' pokemon like the Rodent Duo, Keckleon, Slaking, etc. Many Dark types have huge physical attacks despite having only special STAB types, Banette lacking a steel typing despite being based on Voodoo dolls and the zipper mouth being a prominent visual feature, Feebas being purely frustrating to find and catch and then having a further annoying method to evovle despite being the counterpart to Magikarp, a pokemon able to found in nearly every body of water. I still love Gen 3 to death, but I would love to see the fully realized potential it could have with enough tweaks.
Honestly, half the time it felt like pre-gen 4, gamefreak themselves forgot about the physical/special split themselves. Dragonite has huge attack, but either no STAB moves or its STAB is special (why was dragon even a special type). You already mentioned the dumpsterfire that was dark, getting literally every single move changed to physical. And myriads of other examples.
My thought for castform:
1) raise all of its stats to 80. It's slightly better but still underwhelming, which is a good thing for the next two changes.
2) give castform a rock type sandstorm form. Really self explanatory, here. Dumb it didn't exist from the start.
3) give castform a hidden ability called "Forecast." Depending on the held weather stone, it automatically triggers that weather when it is sent into battle, like drought, drizzle, etc.
I see castform a lot like ditto - it had a unique gimmick, but its low stats and the turn you have to waste setting it up makes them unusable. So what did they do for ditto? They gave it a hidden ability that allows it to transform as soon as it is sent out. So give castform the same treatment: give it an ability that changes the weather as soon as it is sent out.
It'll still be weaker than the traditional auto-weather mons, but its flexibility by being able to access all weather types will allow it to fit into any weather team.
These seem easy enough to implement in a hack.
youre right. HMA is the perfect tool.
Now fix the gen 2 Pokemon...oh wait it's every single flippin one
Most have something to help them, recently. Even though Ampharos lost its Mega Evolution, many more are on the radar. Hell, Dudunsparse might be goofy ahh, but it did realistically buff Dunsparse quite a lot.
pure fire charizard is fine the way it is lol
Magcargo *cries in post game*
Great video! Masque has become one of my favorite pokemon recently and its bc its such an incredible pivot against fighting types dude to the x4 resist and ground immunity with intimidate. I know theres alot of bug/flying types but intim gives it a unique roll the others cant fill.
one thing you missed about delcatty that they also buffed in gen 7 aside from its speed stat, is its signature ability, normalize.
it gets a 1.2x boost, the same as pixelate/glaciate/aerialate, meaning in some ways, all of delcatty’s moves (which are all turned to normal type) have a sort of technician-esque boost. with a small improvement in speed like you said, and a +20 attack boost, delcatty couldve been a sweeper but with zero ways to attack steel, rock, or ghost types. very niche, but a niche similar to cincinno/ambipom, strong normal type hitters that have no way of beating its established weaknesses.
anywho, nice vid! subbed~
Yeah, normalize was pretty nice, but doesn't save it unfortunately :(
Masquerain, Volbeat and Illumise were fixed really well in pokemon radical red, especially Masquerain it's a fantastic pokemon there.
Radical Red did a great job at making every "bad" pokemon good
00:52 click here to start the video
lmao
This was such a fun video to watch!! i also love your channel avatar of a wooper!! wooper is so cute
I like these sorts of retcon idea videos! So many mons need a bit of a buff to help them find a niche, whether that be through increased/redistributed stats, new moves, and/or new abilities. Keep up the good content!
5:42 Glare is exclusive to snakes and snake-like Pokemon (and Druddigon cuz it's kind of like a basilisk I guess) because of its Japanese name "Snake Glare", so sadly it doesn't really make sense on Masquerain. No, those fake eyes don't look snake-like enough to me... although if you _really_ want to buff it this badly, then I guess it's ok.
Bro you are so smart 🗿
@@mrttam nah I just remember what I heard on the internet
@@robertlupa8273 that's fair
what do you propise to buff it? radical red buffs?
@@sshadowzlmao I don't know what Radical Red does to it but it's probably something cracked.
I actually really dislike playing through Hoenn because of all the designs I just don't jive with/a lack of good Pokémon.
It feels difficult to make a unique team in that gen; I've always felt like everyone's Hoenn team has/ends up with the same small handful of Pokémon:
Their starter, latios/latias, gardevoir, metagross, (Insert your favorite dewford cave encounter here), maybe sharpedo, or something, and a linoon HM Slave. Perhaps an Altaria or a Salamance if you're spicy.
Granted, Milotic is one of my favorite Pokémon of all time.
Not to disprove your point, but I haven't used most of those pokemon on a team for myself. I usually go with something like Starter, Swallow, Breloom, Gyrados, Raichu, and some HM slave. I definitely agree on Feb 3 just not having a good variety to pick from
I think my first gen 3 E4 team was something like:
Swapert (Obv)
Altaria
Milotic
Gardevoir
Aggron
Flygon
So I think you're mostly right in my case, but keep in mind, I just really like the design and aesthetic of Gen 3 Pokemon, and these ones stood out. For later runs, I generally opted for others pokemon, like Absol, Linoone, Manetric, Mightyena, Skarmory, Crobat, Loundred (not for very long though), Claydol, Sharkpedo and Glarie, needless to say the E4 was much harder hahahaha
In terms of my Battle frontier team it was more like:
Swampert
Altaria
Salamence
Gardevoir
Metagross
Latios
Personally speaking, I think thats how a lot of BF teams ended, due to the nature of the battle frontier.
linoone soloes emerald e4. you dont even need a team
I see your point overall, but I'd like to add to this list: Manectric
Kricketune is absolutely not the fully evolved pokemon with the lowest base stat total.
384 - Kricketune
380 - Sabeleye and Mawile
377 - Farfetch'd
375 - Nosepass (Gen 3)
360 - Aipom (Gen 3-4) and Spinda
336 - Unown
330 - Delibird and Lovdisk
320 - the many Pikachus that can't evolve
300 - Meltan can be counted as sort of unable to evolve
288 - Ditto
And not only the lowest among fully-evolved but the lowest of all!
175 - Wishiwashi
And yes they're all fully-evolved, you just phrased your question badly. X^)
Pretty cool video with tons interesting points on theses mons. Though was hoping on what you would do to help Cacturne. My poor cactus get melted by simply existing, seriously it's literally the Serviper problem but some how with even more extremes with slower speed, greater base attacks stats, typing with several weaknesses, and pretty cool battle ability interaction.
What’s weird is that another Pokémon in gen 3 nincada also had the unique “at the time” bug/ground type to evolve into yet another bug/flying type…but hey it also has the bug/ghost split too
Here’s an idea: Chimecho as a psychic normal type. This gives it far better resistances & ghost type immunity - similar stat distribution you described, but also give it access to crazy amounts of coverage moves you normally see on normal types. Shock Wave, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, etc. Makes it unpredictable and unique for gen 3
great video. i LOVE gen3, it was my introduction to pokemon for real and i still love a lot of what the game done, but it really is sad how many mons there did get the short end of the stick in the gen itself and later down the line not getting proper updates to remain competible/relevant even for main game content most of the time.
i do have somethings ido like to say on each of your ideas though
i think delcatty could be fine with a +35 BST, (+5 HP, 10 DEF, 15 SPDEF, 5 SPATK) + some new coverage moves. the BST increase puts it in line with the other 2 stage feline mons, i dont think it needs fairy typing.
the BST increase to maquerain is way too much, 510 is too much for whats supposed to be an alternate starting route bug, though i agree even those should be competible with other mons, im pretty confident its current BST its fine for what it is. changing it to bug/water, an actually really good combo, and expanding its movepool can already make him a solid pick for a bug special attacker with intimidate.
volbeat/illumise suggestions are really good.
seviper could use about +20 in speed, but also arbok needs some BST increase to not be overshadowed by virtually his regional clone. i feel like thats probably the reason it doesnt have intimidate. alternatively, seviper could have dark as a secondary typing, making it a great defensive typing and have more coverage.
castforms idea is interesting. honestly, if it just had an stat increase when transformed, even if just +15 in every stat it could already be bumped into something interesting to use. also just let it transform into a sand form already in sandstorm and be ground type.
tropius could use +40 BST distributed on both his defenses, hes a giant banana tree sauropod, one of the largest dinos that existed, this thing should be THICC! the movepool increase is great though, being based on a dinossaur could potentially let it have some dragon moves, since well, dragon types are ultimately also just the reptilian type to an extent.
i think what chimecho really needs is new abilities to make a good supporter, something like prankster or natural cure. also of course a bunch of support moves to help it along. making it part steel type could be interesting and i can see why, but i dont think thats a really good solution, i fact making it yet another psychic/fairy would be more fitting for me personally, considering the mysticism surrounding wind bells in japanese culture.
Pretty cool video! I like how you actually took the design and lore into account and not just go "Hurr durr, give it +20 Attack and Speed" and called it a day.
He did kinda just say +20 attack and speed
I lol'd at the Grumpig shoutout during the Chimecho section. I used Grumpig way back in the day in Ruby ❤
Ay I love these type of vids man, subscribing to you and I hope these buff videos are made
One change for Masquerain that I know would never happen but would still be really cool would be giving it Water Bubble, Araquanid's ability. I think the effects include halving incoming fire type damage, giving a 2x boost to water moves, and a burn immunity. Tbh, it's kinda OP, but sacrificing Intimidate for what is effectively triple STAB and probably some stat boosts would actually be worth it.
I’m glad a lot of people are checking out this video in a short amount of time.
Did you share it on a Pokemon Discord or Reddit, or was it just the CZcams algorithm blessing it?
Haha yeah, definitely shocking to see it grow so quickly!
YT algo definitely helped a ton after a couple of hours but I think the main thing was the explosion of my previous video getting the ball rolling
I think chimecho could have had some cool ability or move, related the lore of chimes. Ultimately its always sad to look at wasted potential of previous gens where idk what it was, but they seemed so scared to give any power to any interesting pokemon. Castform and cherubi are pokemon with really cool gimmics but absolutely no stats to use them. I guess they were worried about power creep? Even though they still made pokemon such as tyranitar which to this day is still a meta stable, which is kind of crazy to think about, when it was competing with things like noctowl and meganium in its debut generation.
Something to note about Volbeat and Illumise as seen at 6:27 is that they have the exact same stat distribution, just that their attacking stats are swapped. And Game Freak likes doing that for counterpart Pokémon. The Eeveelutions, for example, have the exact same six stats, just arranged differently.
When buffing the two bugs, you need to keep that in mind. You don't necessarily need to buff one's Attack by the same amount that you buff the other's SpAtk, but you do need to make sure the stats come out to the same numbers in a different order.
Hey woop, good video. You probably won’t see this but I was wondering where you get your assets for the edits, particularly the moves and types in the nice boxes. I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find nice ones. Thanks!
Thanks! I actually had to individually make each move box. I just downloaded the ripped sprite of the type icons online, then used a sprite editor to make the blank type icons, and then added the text in the box at the end
Seviper and Zangoose could be changed to actually work as counterparts. Giving them the same speed and HP stat is a good start. Then make Seviper a special attacker with a decent defense vs Zangoose as a physical attacker with decent special defense. Should give them two abilities each, one offensive and one defensive. So poison heal and toxic boost for Zangoose, and intimidate and merciless for Seviper. Although I'd change toxic boost to always crit while badly poisoned instead of being a worse guts, and give guts as a hidden ability so it can also fight against Glare-seviper. All of Zangoose three abilities then rely on it being statused, which we can then choose to use against it by giving Seviper Sheer Force as a hidden ability, even though you'd probably just give a toxic orb to Zangoose to guarantee that it's badly poisoned.
I feel like they should also have opposing signature moves. Seviper should have something that poisons and constricts, so like a 20 power poison type attack (special after gen 3) that badly poisons and binds the pokemon for 2-5 turns. Zangoose should have a 60 power normal type attack (always physical) that deals double damage if poisoned or if it "can't escape", and triple damage if both.
So we've got:
Zangoose
HP: 75
Attack: 115
Defense: 60
Special Attack: 50
Special Defense: 100
Speed: 100
BST: 500
Ability: Poison Heal/ Toxic Boost
Hidden Ability: Guts
Seviper:
HP: 75
Attack: 50
Defense: 100
Special Attack: 115
Special Defense: 60
Speed: 100
BST: 500
Ability: Intimidate/ Merciless
Hidden Ability: Sheer Force
That's funny, I actually started an emerald playthrough this week where Im using some underused (not in the smogon way) mons. That happens to include a seviper and a Chimecho I just caught.
From my experience so far, Seviper is an excellent mon for when you catch it. It's been the powerhouse of the team, outperforming my Seedot, Ninjask, and Skarmory. I initially expected it to be too slow and frail to shine, but its really surprised me in both regards. Every time I thought an incoming attack was for sure going to 2shot, it would only take about 30%. And it's just about outsped everything that doesnt have a 100+ base spe. It might not be all that impressive next to a Swampert or idk Magneton, but its a really unique pokemon I'd recommend people use even without buffs.
As for Chimecho I only just picked it up, but it's really nice that it starts out with yawn, Im planning to put the screen moves onto it eventually, but for now I'll be using Shock Wave for coverage, which certainly did its job vs Winona's team, barring the Altaria.
One mon you also could've looked at was Mawhile, that thing gets 0 attacking moves. Intimidate + Steel is good, but the most this poor mon will ever get out of is baton passing defense boosts to a real pokemon...
This is a great video! Enjoyed the watch and i just subscribed!
Shoutouts to Tropius for being one of the few non-legendaries I don't own on Pokemon Diamond, as well as being one of the only two non-legendaries/starters that you literally cannot encounter at all in pokemon diamond (the other being Tangela)
The transitions looks like a literal analog horror
Does Seviper really need Dig when it already gets Earthquake? Also, Tropius absolutely needs Sunny Day on its level-up moveset. The fact that it STILL does not learn it by level-up is criminal. It learns Solar Beam by level-up and all of its abilities are sunlight-based.
Oh yeah, forgot to include that. Sunny Day pairs really well with Tropius
I’d love to see you do this for gen 2 as well!
Masquerain looks like it could be some water-ghost or -fairy-thing. giving it a dual-type water/bug and something like dark/fairy/ghost/psycho. something like golduck but with access to fairy and bug type moves as well.
hello bro! I wanna know whats the music in the background when u were talking about masquerain!!
men i love that background music. that has some tense narration potencial right there.
When I first saw tropius as a kid I thought he’d be OP, a banana tree dinosaur is such a neat design. He deserves so much better
As a kid I always thought Chimecho was already a steel type for some reason so I feel like that fits. I feel like as a wind chime it learning some flying type/ wind moves would be a huge help too. Like gust and air cutter and whirlwind and maybe silver wind and tailwind in later gens
Have u heard of the Chongabell theory before? Around the time DP was released there was a rumor that Bronzong was actually meant to be a Chimecho evolution called Chongabell, released alongside the pre-evolution Chingling, similarly to Budew and Roserade. The idea was scrapped for whatever (game balance?) reason and Bronzor was created instead, but it explains some of the design similarities between Bronzor and Chimecho, as well as the weird pacing at which you encounter the Bronzor line during the games
The speed stat is probably reaction speed instead of running.
i love the backgrounds you used in the video (the b&w forest and stuff) and the music!! where did you get that from?
The backgrounds were a mix of random images from Google and stock footage. The music was all taken from Epidemic Sound!
This is really funny to see because I used all of these Pokémon except Illlumise when I played Sapphire for the first time back in the day. I was a kid so I was clueless about stats, I used whatever I liked and I liked all of these guys. I even kept my Mudkip as a Mudkip and legitimately got him up to level 100 lol. My first shiny Pokémon ever was a volbeat. So that's why I was using it. I didn't even know about shiny Pokémon before that, I thought it was a secret thing I found or something.
Dustox and beautifly needs a huge buff too
I just found these "Fixing Underwhelming Pokemon" videos and I think they're quite entertaining, but I have one question. What's with some of the background images/transition images? A lot of them look like they're supposed to be horror images. They completely clash with the subject of the video and even what's on screen. Like at 14:28, why is Chimecho's background a dark snowy road, edited to be even darker and more ominous?
I've played Pokemon emerald redux and tropias is a BEAST! Dragon grass, and it fights like it's always in sunshine so harvest+citrus Berry makes it hard to deal with. I think it also gets thick fat too (Pokemon in this game have 4 abilities active at once)
I've used a Chimecho in the Battle Frontier and it helped me a lot. Here are the moves I gave to him:
Yamn
Protect
Psychic
Calm Mind
Item: Leftovers
So put the foe's pokémon to sleep (first turn yamn, second turn protect), spam Calm Mind and them use Psychic as there was no tomorrow. Dark-Type pkmn were my only problem, of course
I would actually be fascinated by the introduction of an alternate evolution for Skitty that does have much better stats and give dex entries that imply the same sort of thing as Alolan Persian but the other way around, that this hypothetical new evolution is what Skitty becomes in nature while fighting for its life and Delcatty (as the delicate cat) is the result of generations of selective breeding for contests.
the secret to delcatty is using it like it’s a jigglypuff/clefairy. sing, calm mind, assist
I tried catering a SV story team around Tropius and then used it for the endgame tournament. It is okay. Usually have to use a follow up with it, but it does do some work.
It is setup to have a fast Flareon before it so I can get Sunny Day off. Flareon has eject button so once it gets hit it safely switches in Tropius. And since Tropius has Chlorophyll it gets a speed boost. It has 252 in SpD and HP and 4 in Def with a Bold nature. Sunny Day, Tera Blast, Giga Drain, and Solar Beam. With a Tera of fire, to make it more like a dragon. With leftovers. And yeah it does okay. Though my Spidops has been able to out whole teams in the Ace tournament while Tropius is able to get a few down before fainting.
Holy crap, I just realized there are only four new Electric-type Pokémon in Generation III.