The Gen 3 Roaming Legendaries Are Glitchy and Terrible
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2023
- Today we take a deeper, more technical dive into some legendary Pokemon from the Gen 3 games, specifically Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Latios, and Latias. In their Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed and LeafGreen appearances, these Pokemon suffer from seemingly tiny glitches that can go the length of ruining the Pokemon entirely. Let's take a look!
Pokemon glitches and the like are always interesting to me, but diving into the context created by them and how they affect our playthroughs and stories with the games- that's what I LOVE! And this one has implications for any normal playthrough in gen 3 Pokemon, but also competitive, so it can definitely be far reaching.
Definitely got a little technical on this one, hope you still enjoyed it! I'm still figuring things out and experimenting with the medium.
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should we make the shirt at 5:51 a reality or is it too silly
YES
go for it 👍🏽 should add leaf green side by side with fire red
I think it's a bit niche
Yes do it that sounds like a great idea
now that I've seen the video I can confirm this is a BANGER shirt I would buy
These glitches have always been so funny to me. Not only are the roamers even harder to get than usual to the point of some of them being downright impossible if you let them Roar, if you do manage to catch them you get a Pokemon with absolutely horrible IV's as your reward. It's the biggest accidental middle finger.
It’s Gen 3, who cares about iv’s?
At least Hyper Training will fix those terrible IVs if you transfer them to Sun/Moon
@@MrLump Why wouldn't you care about having noticeably lower stats than you could have lol
@MrLump Didn't play crystal so Gen 3 were the first games to give a reason to care about IVs à la battle tower.
@@QPoilyBecause most kids don't understand how EVs or IVs work, or that they even exist. When I played Gen 3, I was in elementary school. I only cared about how cool they looked and power leveled my starter to level 100 so he could one-shot everyone else. I hated the Battle Frontier because it required me to actually plan and strategise instead of powering through everything with superior firepower.
You unlocked a long-dormant memory of being roared away by Entei and then wondering what the hell happened. Thanks for giving my young self some closure.
Bro same, oddly nice to have an old problem solved
yep, also happened to me
imagine gen 1 having roaming legendaries with that ABSOLUTELY PERFECT ENGINE
Imagine having Gen 1 with gen 1's codebase.
Well, you can catch Mew in gen 1 even though it's not supposed to be possible to find Mew at all in the game…
they'd probably mess up and end up making it so every wild, trainer, and static encounter all become one of the legendary beasts at level 3591e+34 with Sky Attack and Growl as their only moves
There would be a bug where, if you ever pressed a button on an even numbered frame, they would all get switched for Goldeens
G3: *has a glitch that can permanently remove a legendary from the game through absolutely no fault of the player if the pokemon just happens to use one out of its four moves, and another glitch that makes them always have terrible IVs no matter what*
UHHHHH B-B-BUT G1 BAD
Another very common Emerald W.
it's a masterpiece, a gift from the universe, I'll never tire of it
But sadly Emerald has that issue relating to RNG, insted of generating a new values each frame instead it generates as the save file menu is loaded
@@chimaeraarts Emeralds RNG works perfectly fine. The bug is that it always starts at 0, making it perfectly predictable.
@@psychonerd93 well said 👍
Emerald and Platinum.
I remember the first time i ran into Entei on my firered, my jaw dropped and my confusion rose through the roof, I was so flabbergasted with disbelief, I was lucky enough to know about the pokemon cloning glitch in emerald and cloned a masterball and just used that the next time i ran into it, I was on route 1 just bullying pidgeys and rattattas and randomly ran into it, even my sister was surprised when Entei appeared
I never beat my LeafGreen copy as a kid before it was lost, so I never got to experience this. By the time I got around to emulating, I already knew about the roaming legendaries.
Entei here I'd like my virginity back
As someone who caught ALL 3 beasts on separate fire red and leaf green saves for a live dex… yeah it sucks
Getting my legendary only to find that 4/6 stat block bits read "0"
"Ohhhh brother THIS GUY STINKS!!!"
I remembered encountering Raikou in Leafgreen, getting roared, and never seeing it again.
That was definitely the childhood memory of all time
I remember encountering Entei in Heart Gold when I was like level 25 and being freaked out and scared of getting knocked out. It happened a few times, actually.
Your uncle touched you.
I had a Raikou encounter in LG as well. Lil' ol' me wouldn't stop until I caught it and after months of tracking Raikou I did eventually manage to catch it.
Unfortunately it had a nature which reduced its spec attack AND had extremely low SP IVs (which I only found out a decade later). I didn't know anything about natures or IVs but damn was it noticeable that something was off even to young me.
It's funny because, as I had experience with Gen 2, I already knew how to hunt them. So when they roared, I looked at the Pokedex and found there was zero data. It made me reset and I thought they just downgraded and made roaming legendaries worse. So I never had a hard time hunting them, due to the fact I thought the roar bug was the standard. If they run, I also reset without even checking. So to this day, I thought even if they ran it made them impossible to catch. xD
I broke my gameboy a day later.
Considering that the Lati twins are such great Pokémon in so many respects, it’s a shame that Ruby/Sapphire did them dirty in terms of IVs.
How so it's always random right
@@danf7411nope. It’s something like 3ivs are random and the rest are always 0
@@danf7411 The video literally goes over this:
- A Pokemon's Individual Values are stored within their data as a 32-bit integer value, in which only the first 30 bits of the value are used. 5 bits are used to store the Individual Value for each stat, which gives them their limit of 0-31.
- The data for the roaming Latias/Latios/Entei/Raikou/Suicune is generated upon having their event flags triggered, to try and ensure you're fighting the exact same one each time you encounter them. The generation and storing of this data within the cartridge's SRAM, by itself, runs without issue.
- Due to a programming oversight however, when you actually manage to successfully capture your roaming Pokemon, the game incorrectly copies the Individual Values within this stored data onto your newly-captured Pokemon -- it only copies the first byte (8 bits) of the value, leaving the remaining three bytes (24 bits) of it as zero.
- As a result of the above, and due to the exact order the bits are interpreted as, this error effectively locks their Speed, Special Defense, Special Attack and Defense IVs to 0 and caps the Attack IV at 7. Only the HP IV ends up being copied in full. The only way of circumventing this error without patching the game itself is via external modifications to the save data to write new Individual Values to the Pokemon.
- This error is only present within _Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed,_ and _LeafGreen._ It was fixed with the release of _Emerald._
@@danf7411 Did you not watch the video?
probably not, you'd be surprised how many people comment on videos without watching it.@@dusklunistheumbreon
i always use the master ball on roaming legendaries. it feels like it was made for them
facts
We have a difficult choice to make in sinnoh
So do I but for Entei Raiku and Suicune Entei is the most useful of those and Suicune is pure CRAP for battles.
@@veghesther3204gen 3 suicune has no weakness. use surf ice beam calm mind rest/toxic, it is a TANK
Finding them is such a nightmare.
I did remember getting roared away by entei as a kid but I definitely just forgot about him too soon after, never realized until now that hes just gone forever lol
Another point, in Colosseum, catching all the shadow Pokémon is a major completion criteria so even if knock them out and still get another chance
I tried to use Mean Look even in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games and even if it went First I STILL had ROAR causing the legendary pokemon to still run away SUCCESSFULLY AFTER Mean look is used.
Yeah I remembered that as a kid. Spent a while training up a Mean Look Haunter that was quick enough to go first in battle, and then...Roar.
I think a character in the anime tried that exact strat but Entei just used Roar and fled.
@@johnmartinez7440lol I remember I happened to have a pokemon with mean look and was so passed about roar. Never could figure out the trick.
@@PerfectAzraelYou remember exactly. All it did was redouble their resolve to catch it because they knew what would happen next time.
I had a Haunter that had Hypnosis and relied on that with Mean Look.
Imagine getting that shiny legendary with bad IVs
Imagine getting a shiny beast, having it roar, and realizing you lost it
@@phyllojoe5346at least in that case, as long as you don't save, you can just reset and you know that your beast will always be shiny when you encounter it again.
@@every116your last save: right after beating brock 💀💀💀
@@Leo-nm1nethe thing is when you beat the champion it autosaves after the HoF
@@Leo-nm1neLiterally impossible.
The game forcefully saves when beating the Pokémon League.
it's no wonder why I hate roaming pokemon and cause you only get one damn master ball it makes them even more annoying as hell
I am amazed that a legendary using one of its normal moves causes it to permanently despawn itself. Where was the QA control? lol
Wow no wonder. As a kid I wondered why my Latios was so weak despite being a legendary, to the point where I just never used it, which as a kid was a pretty big deal lol.
While I never enjoyed roaming legendaries much, I can appreciate when the game incentivizes you to strategize more. I remember as a kid after a few failed capture attempts of Suicune in FR, I then prepared by capturing a Wobbufett, which I would've never used otherwise at the time, but realized it's ability could help.
But on another playthrough when I tried for my favorite of the trio, Raikou I had no idea of the glitch after I got roared out and saved my game, only to see the "Area Unkonwn". I had no idea what I did wrong, if maybe you only get a certain number of chances, etc. Man I was salty after all that work beating the game for that to happen lol.
It's something I miss from older Pokemon games...there's still stuff like Damp which stops (shiny) Pokemon from self-destructing, but I miss Sweetscent for auto-starting battles...and how it would force start horde battles in X and Y and ORAS.
I played HGSS on release. As a kid I had both games and play them for probably 300-400 hour each. It took me until today to realize the unown that push the legendary beasts faces off the screen during the intro match the first letter of each of their names. Unown E pushes Entei, Unown R Raikou and S Suicune. Such a subtle detail
To be honest, from the day the mechanic was introduced, I've always hated roaming legendaries, and jank like this certainly did not help matters. Legendary Pokemon are already annoyingly-difficult enough to catch as it is, why make it even _harder?_
Gen 2 logic: more=better
I remember when people were crying when Roaming Legendaries were absent in Gen 6, and I never got it.
Well, absent as how they were in previous titles. The Legendary Birds were _technically_ roamers in Gen 6.
@@christiancinnabars1402I liked them because they had to make you re-explore old areas, but I actually prefer the in game events with a moving sprite more and Cinematic cutscene
Roaming Legendaries in Crown Tundra are so much better, u should try them
Yes. Thank you.
Maybe this is the reason why the legend cats were added to Pokémon Colosseum.
I ALWAYS HATED the roaming pokemon, I have a distant memory of it feeling IMPOSSIBLE to get them, as it would seem like no matter where I looked they would never show up. I now know why. It must have glitched out and I never got the chance to catch it in the early game, until Emerald.
Oh, this explains why, when I transferred my old Sapphire Latias to Gen 7, it had awful IVs. I thought me as a child I just had terrible luck!
I love your short videos but I really love your line form!
I knew about the roar problem already, but wow do you get screwed over bad if you manage to avoid it! I never noticed the IVs being so terrible when I played RSE as a kid. Thankfully, I now have a little something called Action Replay to fix those terrible stats!
Did you just catch a different one with the AR or use a code to max out its stats? I also have AR and would like to fix mine.
@@JG54206 You do both, though I find the codes to max out stats to be... unreliable, at best. A lot of them literally just set everything to 999. Catching another is probably your best bet since you can use codes for IVs of your choice.
Using my Latios from Ruby in Battle Frontier was frustrating to say the least. I didn't bother resetting emerald until I got a good one thinking that I could always use Ruby to get a good one. Luckily with the beasts, you can purify them right away with the time flute to check their nature (although not having the master ball to catch them is kinda tough)
This is awesome, I remember catching Latios FINALLY only for it to be kinda mid as a Pokémon. You should Link this video in the comments of your short on the 3 dogs! Or in general maybe putting out the long form video first then your short(s) on a similar topic, linking back to the long form. It could result in even more traction! Love your stuff man
Great video, interesting information for sure, glad I didn’t lose Entei or Raikou to roar, anyways, keep it up!
just want to say I appreciate the pacing of this video, espeically the intro. really hooked me in without any bs. so many youtubers can't get that right. I didn't have to 2x speed ur video is essentially what im saying XD
Thanks, when you said that IVs were stored in 30 bits I got that 'ooooh that's why' moment.
Ok, I'm kinda glad I swapped my fully ev trained latias for a salamence at the last few battles in the battle tower now.
Wow, had no idea Raikou and Entei were glitched if you weren't prepared for them. And also never knew they all had nerfed stats. This is sad, but honestly Suicune still felt extremely good regardless, but I wonder how competitive players dealt with this issue back in the day.
By playing Colosseum
Competitive didnt exist until Gen 4 buddy.
That's wrong. Ev training and IV RNG manipulation/breeding was used a bunch for official Pokemon tournaments in gen 3.
@@SnowboardinNinja What official Pokemon tournaments were being run during that time? Also, did they even have the tools to RNG manipulate in the early 2000s?
Another banger vid! Love that CZcams always put a new vid of yours at the top of front page 😂 They finally do something right!
Was anyone else surprised when you put it to sleep and then was still able to run away?
I had leaf green and was supposed to find suicune but it never appeared after hours of grinding back in my childhood till the point i thought they are not even real.
For me yesterday I flew back to pallet from vermilion and then as I was leaving to go to route 1, my first encounter was suicine. This is after the whole game and I forgot about the annoying roaming legendaries when it just appeared
And I caught it with the masterball I saved.
The legendary beasts only appear after you beat the elite four in Fire Red and Leaf Green and depend on the starter you chose. Entei and Raikou have a really bad game breaking glitch where if they used Roar, they both disappear on your cartridge permanently
@@Kali_Krausehe had suicune so he’s probably just unlucky and never found it
All my friends said legendaries are Cartoon only, so when I caught an entei they accused me of owning a bootleg copy:p
It's always a pleasure watching your videos!
Very rare that I subscribe after only seeing one video but here we are. Great shit
Love your choice of music from Pokemon Colosseum, underrated game imo
I suspect this happened by it using an 8-bit copy instruction rather than a 32-bit copy instruction
Hi Mr Droomish,
I have a feeling that your channel is about to get a lot bigger very quickly. Your recent shorts were recommended to me, someone who has not watched Pokémon content in a good while. This lead me to your main vids and then subbing. If it happened to me then my guess is it's happening to loads of people. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Learning about this was so vindicating! A year or two ago, I was playing through Pokemon UltraViolet (FireRed, but all 386 Pokemon of the time are obtainable with no tricks or trading), and found myself completely unable to find or even track Raikou in the Pokedex after my first encounter with him. I ended up having to hack the game and manually add Raikou as a spawn on Route 1, without ever knowing what had gone wrong. I don't remember specifically, but he must have used Roar on me and deleted himself. Thanks for the informative video!
It’s So Strange To Me That There’s An Unused Generation 3 Soundfont Version Of The Legendary Beast Battle Theme In Ruby & Sapphire, Yet It Wasn’t Used For Them In FireRed & LeafGreen.
I really love roaming legendaries, the dopamine hit as a kid was unreal. It would have you geeked out for hours, recalling the encounter in your head over and over.
Then finally catching them is like a big sense of accomplishment. Like I can still imagine my hands shaking, dropping my gameboy on my bed.
But then they quickly became box Pokémon trophies. 😅 I was kinda disappointed but still happy I got a rare Pokémon but for them to be so weak. Like I always remember them being weak and was shocked that they are valuable competitively. Lol 😂
Thanks for the video, you scratched a long forgotten itch. 👌🏽
Ah, I wish you mentioned the Latias and Latios glitch in Emerald that makes you able to catch trainers pokemon if you knock out Lati@s. This has been done to shiny hunt in the battle tower.
Good thing I got my latios at southern island and my legendary beasts in Orre.
VIP coming through
@@droomish1 Southern island latios carried me through much of the battle frontier. Calm Mind + Recover on a pokemon bulkier than alakazam is very powerful.
Latios is so busted at the BF 😂😂
Honestly, I expected a description of the algorithm which determines where the legendary beast moves next on the overworld map! Will that be in the sequel to this video? :)
I had a glitch with the roaming Latios in Ruby that, to this day, I still have never seen anyone else encounter. As we all know, on a typical playthrough, you get Latios to begin roaming after defeating the champion and then interacting with the TV in your house. But for some reason, with my save file, this would happen *again* after I caught/defeated Latios. In other words, I could catch infinite Latios on the same save file, just by beating Steven again each time. Sadly, my childhood Ruby cartridge is long lost.
This may just be a matter of the battery being dry. I bought a used copy of Ruby years ago to migrate pokèmon & this was present on mine as well.
Yeah. That definitely didn’t happen.
@@ShaftCommander who hurt you my dude
@@ShaftCommander What would I have to gain from lying about it? I don't care about internet likes, and if I did, I'd be spending my days reposting cat images on Reddit or something.
@@siilverREAL you know the person is a simpleton when they use that played out response. 😂🤡
I remember I was at my sisters soccer game as a kid when I first encountered Raikou in FireRed. I kept tracking it, trying to ultimately catch it; until it used Roar. I checked the PokeDex and saw Area Unknown. I panicked and luckily turned off my game without saving. However, it wouldn’t be until my senior year of college twelve years later when I would ultimately find Raikou again and catch it. Shame it had bad stats.
Damn amazing video, I didn't know everything about ivs and evs back when I played these games.
But I remember after diamond and pearl when I learned everything and transfered those, having all these 0ivs and I tried to soft reset them but still 0.
And now I know why!
Fascinating that suicine is unimpacted from a gen 3 glitch because of the existence of crystal version.
2:27 this patch of grass is memorable to me too, cause this is where I was tryna catch an Abra
i was minding my business in some tall grass and then an entei bit me! i used my bug spray but now ive decimated the population entirely! how do i fix?
Use at least 5% Deet bug deterrent
I've gotten Suicune before. I remember getting it pretty quickly, but this roar glitch certainly explains the difficulty I've had finding the others.
I cannot believe all those hours spent trying to track down Entei were utterly wasted. AUUUGH
I remember my sister trying to catch the 3 dogs and specifically prepared a Gengar with Mean Look and then it used Roar anyway.
Man I haven't thought about Gen 3 since I was 9 years old. Thanks for the Nostalgia blast
Omg I never knew this about the glitch in fireRed! Makes soooo much sense now.
I was familiar with the roar despawn glitch, but I didn't know about the garbage IV error.
im usually of the mind that IVs are not that important but when they are that bad it probably is pretty noticable
I made the mistake of saving after the Entei used roar in my first run before realising it had already gone poof. I wasn't even able to use a master ball on it because one of my siblings had used it earlier on a random wild pokemon.
I remember getting a Raikou in either silver or crystal and it glitch when i deployed it in battle to show a bulbasaur sprite. It also showed the pokedex entry for bulbasaur as well.
For whatever reason, I couldn’t catch Latios in my Ruby file. Every time I would run into it, it’s HP was all the way down and my game would freeze when I’d throw a pokeball :(
as someone who is replaying these gen 3 games rn i forgot about this!!!
Id just go in and out of a route gateway until the pokemon moved back where I was already. Took a while to get it lined up but it got me lots of encounters.
RAHHHH!! Oversights In The Game's Code, my arch-nemesis! we meet again!
This would explain why, when I wanted another latias and got my roaming legendary one in sapphire, the stats read as no good for both defenses, speed and special attack and decent for HP and attack. At least it was timid on the first try lol!
if the roamers' ivs are zeroed out in the copying process, doesn't catching them during the first time you encounter them avoid this issue?
When I was a kid, Roar was my least favorite move because of this crap. Though, I had no idea about the IV thing, and I like to think I know a lot about Gen 3. Cool video!
Had no idea that the legendary dogs were even in fire red
I remember doing the repel and level cap mon and flying to one spot
Never knew the IVs were justed like that. My original Ruby Latios has been my prized possession for battle towers for several gens
Is there any fan patch for this issue out there in the wild? That would be great if there was a fan patch for that and you could apply it to your pokemon save with the gba to usb thing on pc!
A similar thing happened in gen 2 but never made it to cartridge. There was a cancelled event for the mythical Pokémon Sploink in which they used a unique calculation for your shiny odds based off of your trainer ID instead of the random chance. This made it functionally impossible to earn a shiny sploink from the event unless your trainer name was exactly "funnelkaek" however because this exceeded the maximum number of characters for your name, shiny Sploink would have been unobtainable.
WOW, this definitely warrants more research and a deep dive from me
you're so real for this
Uncancel shiney sploink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@SleepyJuno he's sploinking
@@SleepyJuno Can you blame droomish? With all the whacky jank in these games, this is 100% believable.
I would always wiggle between 2 different routes on a bike (or surf) till the roaming legendary i was after was in the same zone as me. Made catching them a lot easier.
On the note of catching legendaries theres one spot where two routes are together and you simply have to move one space to the side to change routes. I used that to my advantage since they change places whenever you change routes. Made catching them super fast. Probably had them all within an hour or maybe two.
God forbid strategizing 😮. I swear, every other comment is stupid.
@@JayceCH. Work smart not hard....I noticed that way back in the 90s. On the map there were two routes next to each other with no town or otherwise breaking them up. Found the border between both. Checked map saw the icone...moved once I saw them change. I knew then and there this is where I'll hunt them. Took way less time to get these than the originals in Red/Blue...
I feel bad for anyone that didn't know about the dup glitch back then. Was a complete stress saver after trying to catch the first couple the "right" way.
Thank you for finally aiding me to comprehend what IV means so clearly
So glad I used Mean Look. Was getting annoyed flying to different locations
Hey I ran into the roaming legendary for the first time in that same patch of grass lol. I remember it vividly because it completely freaked me out.
Makes me glad I just immediately yeeted a Master Ball at Entei as soon as I found him when I was a kid lol
You really need a Pokemon like Haunter or Gengar to learn both 'mean look' and 'hypnosis' to even have somewhat a decent chance of catching it without a master ball. Maybe also have a Pokemon with 'false swipe' as well on standby.
So... one thing is for sure I remember that glitch with the area unknown and how it had me freaking annoyed as a kid, but me I heard since when it said that it can spawn anywhere so I used to go off from place to place encountering pokemon after pokemon, and I swear to you, I did find that suicune while it said Area Unknown... could be mandela effect maybe but I dunno, although it is odd how i went through so many encounters but no shiny throughout all my fire red adventure...
I am not proud of how long it took me to find Latios in Ruby 😞
I was traded a Shiny Suicune from a friend over a decade ago that I still have today. I never knew until now how it could be so unlucky to have 5 stats at 0 (all but HP), but it now makes perfect sense. I never played FRLG myself so I never knew about this...
Never knew about the stat glitch. I have an action replay for GBA and sapphire and ruby so I’ll have to do the eon ticket code and grab the good versions of Latios and Latias.
Does the berrypatch implemented by certain methods work to also remedy this?
Thanks for the heads up
5:51 I unironically want that shirt
As a kid I had the strategy guide for Fire red/leaf green so I saved the master ball for the entei near the end luckily
I came back to my firered after learning it had more than the base game (which for the longest time I thought itd be a 1:1 of red), and ohh boy chasing suicune was a pain and a half, mainly because i used my masterball while trying to find a strong mewtwo back then and running out of balls to use, but also the pathing it took hopping around was just tedious.. Eventually got Suicune but I have yet to see the IVs on it or my mewtwo. Now if only I could find a way to get the mew event.
I wish the game had an NPC that gave the players a hint on getting a Pokémon with Mean Look or Block.
I remember using my ghost with mean look and a ton of balls to catch them haha 😁
I have a feeling (as a Pokémon master) this channel is gonna be one of my favs :)
I first caught raiku or suicune on route 2 for my first legendary dog.
Just now finding out i managed to always avoid the terrible roaming stats by always using collosseum and the eon ticket for these guys
So strange that Roar ends the battle. It should just switch your active pokemon, right?
That's only in trainer battles, wild battles it just ends the battle
Thats an awesome shirt idea 😂
what is that banger miusic in the outro of your video?
I remember I got in the habit of calculating the IV's of My Pokemon back in generation 3 when I was the teenager still have time to do that kind of thing. I immediately noticed that my Raikou and Latios had incorrect stats because they both had zeros for their flat for Ivy's which meant that that couldn't be a coincidence more than likely