M2 Pro GPU vs AMD, NVIDIA & Intel. How do the M2 and M2 Pro compare?
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- The M2 Pro has an upgraded GPU but how does it compare to GPUs from AMD, NVIDIA and Intel? Does the upgraded desktop Mac provide better gaming than a PC with an AMD, NVIDIA or even an Intel ARC GPU? How does it compare to the base M2 GPU?
Does the M2 have a lower Performance per Watt than M1? Why does it not feel like an upgrade over M1?
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Thanks for putting the effort. Just the thing I was searching.
Glad I could help
Thanks. This is for gaming, is it the same for video editing, colour grading, and rendering?
I love your videos, I'm not an apple user (Used to toy around with hackintosh a bit tho) but I am a tech support agent that supports Apple and Windows devices and a gamer, I appreciate your no nonsense and logical analysis of these systems and devices.
I really appreciate the kind words. Thank you very much!
Great comparison. Thanks
I have a $900 Lenovo Legion 5, with AMD 7 5800H and RTX 3050ti graphics, 16GB ram/512GB ssd and I just upgraded to 64GB ram and 1TB ssd for $280. I was thinking of switching to Apple for once, but it seems that my system is still the same or more powerful than the Mac mini M2 Pro. It seems that I can continue using my Laptop for about 2 more years before buying a more powerful one and I think there is no point in waiting to Apple because it is always 3-4 years behind what is standard in windows.
That is the beauty of a PC (laptop or desktop). You can just upgrade RAM and Storage later...for much cheaper when on sale...and get a couple of more years of use out of that machine. If you don't need the Mac for a specific purpose, stay with what you have...btw, that's a good laptop you have.
Great comparison thanks for the info! I use a Lenovo mini PC and was hoping you could compare the M2 line of processors with other SOCs on the market.
Great suggestion!
Don't ever buy or use pre build PCs if you really care about your money and you really wanna best performance from your parts. Prebuild systems are crap, worst cooling, bad ram used, bad cabinet used, way more expensive.
Build a PC with the help of professional PC builders.
You can build a PC with i5 12400, 16GB ddr4 dual channel ram, Asus h610 prime or b660m mobo, Intel arc a750 GPU, Samsung 980 500 gb ssd, 35 dollar cabinet, basic 450 watt bronze rated psu
This PC will cost you less than 650 dollars.
This PC is m2 mac mini killer for any work.
If my 3060ti farts, it'll blow away two m2 chips ez.
Lol 😂😂
Haha so funny ....
Excluding your electricity bill yes
Yes with your airplane blowers inside that heating machine
Me with the 1650😢
Particularly good video and informative.
Glad it was helpful!
@ImaMac-PC have you tried using a graphics card with the mac mini?
I have with my i7 Intel Mac Mini (made videos a few years back) but it does not work with my M1 Mac Mini.
Windows for Desktop but I would rather have apple silicon for laptop.
As tech continues to get more expensive that is the same split that seems to make the most sense.
pretty nice video man ! but remember the obvious we are comparing dedicated gpu with raw desktop power vs a mobile lets say all on a chip gpu cpu . I am pretty happy knowing my m2pro Mac mini has a raw power of a desktop class i9 11th Gen and a 1660 Nvidia card all this in such a small factor and not consuming crazy amounts of energy .
Thanks. Yes, AMD/Intel/NVIDIA just have no answer to the efficiency of Apple Silicon.
This is a great video. I learned a lot watching this and was happy to the that the M2 pro max mini is a solid contender in terms of graphics and fps. I was planning to upgrade from the base max mini to M2 pro but wanted to see how good a change it would be so thank you for this info.🙂
but in the video is said the opposite. that M2 Pro is not that good for pricing and is slower against the competitors... Pros are the size and the much smaller energy consumption...
@@devilik I’m more focused on the gpu which was second best on that chart
@@carboncopy_ second but in comparsion with old low end to basic grafic card. I want to buy new pc round 1300usd too, so i am comparing and this is talking more against apple...? Computing and grafic performance of apple is basic comparing windows pc platform only consumption and size is much better in case of apple?
I am looking at a new desktop and a windows user I web browse, stream video and use office. I want fast thinking I7 or I9 or a Mac Min probably M2 Pro? ..... what would any of you do in my situation? Never owned a Mac but its intriguing
You don't seem to have a very demanding use case. You may be able to just get a base M2. The single core speeds are the same between the M2 and M2 Pro and the M2 Pro only gives you two more performance cores. If I were you, I would buy the base level Mac Mini. If you don't like it, you can return it within 14 days. You'll know in that timeframe if you like it or not. And your intrigue will be satisfied.
Thanks for video i have a one question can we attach 3 monitor with mac mini m2 plz reply
I am using this product only for only stock trading
You can google " How many displays can be connected to Mac mini" and it will return an Apple Support page that answers the question.
"Mac mini (2023) with M2 chip supports up to two external displays simultaneously, based on the resolution (up to 6K) and refresh rate (up to 60Hz) of each external display. "
@@ImaMac-PC M2 Pro supports 3
remind me again how many top tier games are available for Mac?
Great video. For me, it's Apple Silicon for laptops and Intel/AMD/Nvidia for desktops.
You nailed it! That's the divide. Apple Silicon is super impressive as a laptop but just ok on the desktop.
My priority is color grading, vfx and cgi. What should I buy? Workstation or mac mini
Also a thing to remember - driver support in games ;)
Any chance you could do some Resident Evil VIII benchmarks?
The one perspective where the M1 & M2/PRO models are impressive is when you compare them to the best iGPUs from AMD and Intel.
It would be nice to see the comparison with a 6900HX’s 680M graphics. This seems to be in the same neighborhood as a Base M1/M2 model. I do think the 10 core M2 GPU wins but everyone sings the praises of AMD’s iGPUs so it’s not completely fair to discount the iGPUs in the M-series.
The 680M can get up to the M1 8-core performance if you use fast (but expensive) DDR5 RAM. It will get more interesting when the 780M launches soon as that should be closer to the M2 8 core.
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Thanks for the comparison, it is nice to get all the data straight. Personally, I give up PC due to the size and fan noise, just look at the fans on the a GPU scares me. Of course I am not a heavy gamer, a base line mac mini and a steam deck is enough for me. Guess if you are a dedicated gamer you will have to go with PCs.
Thanks. Apple Silicon would be awesome as a Steam deck...low power consumption and good performance.
Modern gpu fans are quiet as a whisper and don't even spin unless they're under significant load. If you specifically choose parts for silence and a proper case with a closed front panel and not gimmicky exposed rgb fans, then you can build a PC that's way quieter than most macs. The old Mac Pro used to whine and scream like a mad man under load. If size is a concern then I understand but you can certainly get very quiet with PC.
But I do understand that it's a lot of work to find and get each individual part that you need and fits your budget. Not everyone has the patience for it. When it comes to laptops I do think that Mac's efficiency really plays a role in making it silent. I have yet to find a Windows laptops that doesn't sound like a hurricane under load. Basically for me, if you really want power just get a desktop. If you want portability and efficiency get a laptop, if you want both then you gotta deal with fan noise.
@@lamenamethefirst I guess in the end of the day it always come down to the balance. I am sure a quiet PC is possible with great performance, but then the size might be another problem. My mini m2 pro works well for me, only little fan noise when playing some 3A 3D games, other time just 0 noise, not hot, low power consumption, doesn't take much space, a overall good balance for my usage. But many many games don't run on mac, so heavy gamers will naturally get a PC.
@@idleman5463 Yeah there's always a tradeoff. We can't have everything unfortunately.
If I want a workstation for heavy photoshop use, should I get a MacBook? I’m concerned about the performance not being on par with the new intel CPU’s
The MacBook only comes with an entry level M2 chip and that is not considered a workstation. For photoshop, you want fast single core over a lot of cores. I would check the PugetSystems database to compare the CPUs and respective photoshop scores.
@@ImaMac-PC I’m referring to the M2 pro from the mb pro. On paper it seems Intel would demolish it, but on real case scenarios I keep hearing it’s a lot better
@@jo69123 Check the channel Art Is Right. Should answer all your questions.
Basic model of M2 is good for SketchUp pro & Vray 5 ?
Keep in mind the M2 only has 4 performance cores for the CPU. It's like an intel i3 CPU. If you are looking to run professional applications, would you buy an i3 CPU?
@@ImaMac-PC & what about GPU performance ?
Good point - you could buy two M2 base models for less than the price of the M2 pro. I wonder if two machines could run as one?
I wish you could get two to work as one as I would buy that instead! They just put the PRO pricing on it and is not the same value as the base model.
Decent video. My reason for switching to Macs (around year 2000) was the whole ecosystem, not price or hardware performance. Price and performance are secondary factors.
That's when your Mac was the "center of your digital life".
at least you are honest.
You have no idea the peace of knowing that Apple silicon can't beat pc's in GPU performance gives me
Yeah with all rhe shit nvidia does the last thing we need is apple in personal computer market
They are a long way off from that and even if they ever do, it'll cost you more than what nVidia is charging these days.
@@ImaMac-PC The M2 Max beats an rtx 3080 ti mobile in gfxbench. It doesn’t seem like Apple can’t catch up.
@Muhammad Ehtasam Where did you even get this data?! An M2 Max performs better than a 3080 ti mobile GPU in gfxbench, WildLife Extreme, DaVinci Resolve, and others, thanks to the new optimizations. Gfxbench is probably the best benchmark you could use, as it’s optimized for both Nvidia latest GPUs and Metal based Apple GPUs.
I think that compare integrated GPU’s from intel and AMD and Apple could be a better approach than external GPU’s with an integrate.
Integrating the GPU is how Apple is going to differentiate itself from the rest of the market and Intel/AMD will never make a very large integrated GPU like Apple.
Very useful. Although a lot of YT channels show the scores they way that looks like M2 is something amazing. And seems it's not.
Glad you liked it. M2 is very good but it's not as magical as many make it seem. It offers good value in specific areas (e.g. content creation) but not for gaming.
@@ImaMac-PC I just got ordinary M2 with 16GB of RAM and 10Gb network and it's not that amazing in content creation. Davinci Resolve struggles with 4k timelines if there are any color grades or transitions.
As a music producer and video editor, the M2 Pro Mac Mini is amazing. I have an Xbox and PS5 for gaming so I could care less about it.
Perfect!. The M2 Pro Mac Mini for making money and cheap consoles for playing games. But using the M2 Pro for gaming as Apple suggests...makes no sense. I don't understand why Apple does that.
just to be clear, the graphs are the "mobile" versions of the AMD and Nvidia cards, right?
The comparison is desktop to desktop.
@@ImaMac-PC oh wow ok! Thank you!
Love the analysis, but you’re basing all of your criticism (price/performance) solely on gpu performance for gaming purposes only, which the M2 Mac Mini pro is not what it is intended primary use… The M2 Mac Mini Pro punches way above it’s weight when used for content creation. You should consider making a video comparing a PC and a Mac Mini when doing video editing, would be interesting to see at what PC GPU level it would fall under.
Thank you for the feedback. I based in on gaming since Apple made a big deal about gaming with the Mac. I won't argue content creation using a Mac, that's the tool I use for that job. But for gaming, I use a PC. I have compared a Mac Studio to my PC I called "Big Mac". Trouble with comparing to a PC is you would need to use something like Davinci Resolve and that is not something I use. Apple should focus their advertising on comparing the Mac Mini to a PC in content creation since that is the Macs strength...not gaming.
@@ImaMac-PC that's fair, but given how due to a specific issue you made a very general overall assessment of the computer, you should have pointed that out. Also, Apple didn't really make a big deal about gaming, at all. Out of the 18 minutes and 54 seconds of the presentation, they mentioned gaming twice for all of 30 seconds. Hardly a big deal. Far more time was spent on highlighting the computers specs for content creators.
Hey brother i like ur videos,
Maybe u can help me,
I want to buy Mac/Pc or a Laptop,
I need it because i start a company
That i buying and selling products, maybe make a photoshop for my product sometimes .
Should i buy a laptop like macbook or better crafting my own Pc
You actually have two questions. Laptop or Desktop? Mac or PC? In terms of Mac or PC, you have to ask yourself if you are ok with macOS. If you are, then a Mac will be simpler and require less "maintenance" from an OS perspective. The mac works like any appliance day in and day out. You are confined to Mac available programs however, Photoshop works on both Mac or PC. Also, Macs tend to be more expensive as well. After you sort out Mac or PC, whether you need a desktop or laptop is a question of how mobile you need to be. I have been extremely happy with the battery life on the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. Better than any windows laptop I've ever had and can't see going back to a windows laptop anytime soon. If you want details on what I think of the MacBook Pro, I did a 6 part series.
I’ll never listen to Apple talk about gaming until I can run proton on there os . It’s sad looking at my steam library on a Mac all my games grayed out expect for dota
Same here. It's so sad to see the Steam Library only have a couple of games that can run. As much as they talk about it, it will not happen due to the prices they charge.
Given the current state of Apple Sillicon, it is too hard for someone to convince me to buy a Mac for a Desktop or a Windows for a Laptop
Wow, you nailed it, exactly right!
599 for the base m2 mini is actually the value pick, but at the same time, so would a used M1 mini for even cheaper assuming you aren't trying to do anything heavy with it. I payed $2600 for an M2pro with all the upgrades because I need the form factor more than anything. The box runs a multi output live stream with real time 3d processed visuals and multiple cameras. M1 Mini would slow down massively once you go over 2-3 scenes in OBS.
It really is the value pick. I agree, for your use case, you need something more powerful. But then again, you're likely using it to make money, so it's just a tool to get the job done and the calculation is different than using it for gaming.
8gb shared between the gpu and cpu shared and extra slow 256 gb SSD are nothing to right home about along with no way to get native windows or even older versions of isx 64 bit and no 32 bit capability.
And never an ability to increase the internal ram or SSD.
Apple silicon native World of Warcraft runs fine on 8/8 M1 chip (1080p, medium/low) and some (mostly US) went with Mac Studios just to play WoW on a Mac as a long standing mac user. On the other hand non-native FF14 works way worse (Windows version packaged with Wine/CrossOver to run on macOS/Linux) even with third party launcher providing better DX over Metal config for Wine. Aside of that the value limiting factor is that games tend to require disk (and memory) space. WoW is 100GB and for optimal results 16GB of RAM. So you are looking at minimum at 512/16 mac mini for one game. And there are many games that aren't available for mac so no matter what M2/M1 can do with with it GPU you won't use it to play games you want.
Great point on the storage and adding internal storage is cost prohibitive just for playing games. Don't understand why they advertise it for gaming.
I'd gripe about a $2K desktop with less than 1TB SSD storage in the 2020s, if nothing else.
Great comment about the ‘pro’ racketeering … nobody makes it so abundantly clear
Would love to see that comparison with a non pro m2
Covered the 10-core GPU in the non pro M2, which is in the Mac Mini, at 5:00 in the video.
Ah yes. Thx
you forget that when you purchase the 250 dollar RX6600 then you need to buy the rest, power supply, motherboard, cpu, memory, ssd, which cost in total the same or near as the cost of the m2 pro 12-19. So then there is no big difference in price.
But difference in performance
I'm not sure why the base Pro is being compared apples-to-oranges with the non-Pro variant, particularly when "buying 2" of the latter is looked at as a comparable solution. There's already info out which discusses how going to 512GB increases overall SSD speed, having extra cores in a single machine is _markedly_ more useful when considering multi-threaded applications, and of course Apple only gives you the opportunity for higher GPU cores with the Pro as well (naturally, at a premium). I'm not defending Apple's greed, but I can still see the obvious benefit of going to the Pro here over the non- _..if_ you're already spending Apple-level prices for a machine. The slightly-better than 3050 is as good as a mid-range Apple can be expected to do this gen without going to the laptop config or a full tower.
The point of the comparison with the non-Pro variante was to illustrate how the price Apple is charging is not for the hardware, but rather for the PRO moniker. The M2 Pro is nice but it's not $1300 nice. At that price, you are better off picking up an on-sale M1 Pro in a 14" MBP or getting a base M1 Max Mac Studio second hand for $1,500. Apple-level prices for PRO machines are going up.
I lovee this detailed comparison.Nowadays these computer manufacterers are just ripping off consumers. Most of avg. people will skip 2023 gen computers and parts. I am gonna build 5600/6600 combo build for less than 550 usd.
The more I see articles or videos talking about 'Apple's gaming future', the more I'm totally convinced there isn't any. Idk why they're trying to half-heartedly pitch to that market when anyone who owns a Mac and wants to play games has already resolved themselves to just get a console, and anyone who wants to game on desktop have never even entertained the idea of getting a Mac.
The mid GPU bothers me less about how much it lacks for gaming since the lack of available titles anyway make that a non-consideration, I'm disappointed at how it performs for Blender. A well-specced PC sure doesn't fit as well on a desk or look as clean and professional as a Mac in an office or home workspace setup for sure, but man does Mac lag behind, and that's an area that genuinely is within the market they're pitching too which they'd really do well to fix. Mac does great for audio and video work, that really is where you get your money's worth I feel.
You're right. Mac is optimized for audio and video, not gaming.
Windows laptops and desktops are the best for professionals like 3d content creation, video editing, photo editing, music production, coding, ai, light office work etc.
Gaming is just bonus, cherry on top on Windows machines.
Apple are master marketers that take ordinary products and market them as world beaters. This GPU is umimpressive and we have also have to remember the process node advantadge Apple has.
Apple does know how to market to non-technical people. NVIDIA actually has the process node advantage with RTX 40 gpus.
That's why people who have iphone think they have a miracle on their hands that has been mades by the gods at apple .
@@50H3i1 i mean to be fair, Apple A series chips on iPhone are far better than those chips on Android in terms of performance and battery efficiency. Even the latest and greatest snap 8 gen 2 still haven't caught up to A16 level of performance and efficiency.
Ehh not quite. Their efficiency is still class leading, Intel laptops can't touch MacBooks for battery life. Perhaps AMD can get close this year with their 4nm Zen 4 U chips but they're still a far way off.
@@NamNguyen-yh8we To be fair the SnapDragon Gen 2 is more than enough power and effciency for smartphone. How much percentage of people buy an iPhone because of the chipset? I think pretty much 0%.
The fully specced Mac Mini Pro has less memory bandwidth, less memory and GPU performance than a $400 PS5 digital model. It does have faster CPU’s, but not faster than current desktop CPU’s from AMD or Intel. And you can’t market a Mac as a serious gaming option if your charging more than a fully decked out gaming PC for console like performance, even in laptops.
So Mac M2 Pro is between 3050 & 6600XT , around 300-350$ GPU.
Aka Low-Tier GPU.
But with a PRO price!
The upgrade cost from the M2 to the M2 Pro base model is the same as the À la carte pricing for ram, SSD and CPU cores. It’s actually a crap deal considering the extortion level pricing of the Ram and SSD upgrades.
Depends on your perspective. You get twice the Thunderbolt ports, and you get options to go for 24/32 GB Ram, and you get a better chip with more cores and better GPU performance. You also get an additional display via Thunderbolt. So it’s definitely not as simple as just “cost same amount”. It’s a completely different starting point with the Pro. The value proposition is obviously based solely upon your workflow.
@@ghost-user559 And HDMI 2.1 port while ordinary M2 got 2.0 if I remember correctly. But upgrade prices are a bit outrageous. But Apple strategy is to hook you up with cheapest M2, then you think to uprade to M2 Pro. Then you think it's better to get a laptop cause it's so close. Then you need to update hdd in the laptop and M2 Max is close, so you update to M2 Max and istead of $599 you spend $2599 :D.
@@JoATTech That’s almost exactly what Apple forced me into. I’m ashamed at them and for me!
@@huggeebear What config you got at the end? :D
@@JoATTech Ha! For some reason my original response to you never posted. Yeah that’s definitely true. With Apple you should always make sure you already know exactly what you really need before you buy anything and then ignore anything else you get tempted by. Their psychological warfare doesn’t work as long as you know exactly what you are going to need before you even go shopping lol.
It absolutely doesn't matter, because compatibility is utter shit.
Of course you can get a cheaper build to get same performance like m2 pro
But you will never get cheaper performance with same power consumption like m2 pro
There‘s only one Mac Studio M2 Max performing 24 Core GPU at 30 Watts (That‘s Amazing)
So as all other channels just synthetic benchmarks, no real world tests :/
You compare the latest (and expensive) M2 Pro GPU vs *old* *and* *weak* video cards on the PC? Not fair.
How does M2 Pro GPU compare against RX 6700 XT or RTX 3060 Ti? Those cards are much faster than M2, and *much* *cheaper* too.
I compared it to comparable GPUs on the PC that are, as you say old and weak. But you also missed that they are also very cheap. I did another video comparing more powerful M1iGPUs to the RTX 3000 series.
@@ImaMac-PC M2 Pro is *NOT* old and cheap, so its not fair to compare that brand-new Apple machine to old and weak video cards on the PC.
For what the M2 Pro Mac costs, you can buy a *MUCH* more powerful PC. The PC also runs Windows and is excellent for gaming. M1 and M2 Macs are terrible for gaming!
M2 pro = 1660s + ryzen 7 5700x?
Ilove your videos
You got it!
"You can get two M2 mac minis for the price of the M2 Pro mac mini". It so doesn't work this way. If you needed the extra storage and extra performance, you're not getting it by buying two. Not to mention it's a lot faster moving up in storage size due to how apple implements storage silicon, whether you will notice it is workflow dependent. But if you actually needed the media engine, extra GPU cores and CPU cores.. your workflow might be in the realm of that being useful. This is a bad take. I do think it would be nice if they charged less, but when has apple ever had what seemed like sane pricing for adding memory and storage upgrades, not to mention CPU.
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, it doesn't work that way. It was meant to compare the cost of the hardware of two M2 Mac Minis vs the one M2 Pro Mac Mini. To show there is no hardware cost justification for the price they set for the M2 Pro. You are right about Apple pricing of RAM and SSD. However, in the past, at least you could upgrade that on your own for market prices. Apple has now taken that away.
Excellent breakdown! Unfortunately apple markets for less tech savy folks that fall for their marketing. Apple has the best marketing on the world and it shows.
Thanks. Yes, Apple has a way to present and brand their tech in ways that their followers just love.
Unigine heaven or valley is a better rasterization comparison.
Except those only run using OpenGL in macOS as it has been deprecated fro years now. Wild Life Extreme uses Metal.
I always think the GPU with the SoC is more comparable to Intel Iris or other iGPUs. Comparing a dedicated GPU on a SoC is like comparing a street bike to a tricycle.
That's how it used to be however, have you seen the recent discrete GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA in the RX 6400 and the RTX 1630? Those are not street bikes but they charge street bike like money.
@@ImaMac-PC yeah, Apple just shot themselves in the foot with that 3090 chart. There’s no way an ARM based GPU will beat a 3090 unless you only compare power consumption.
Would have been nice to compare with recent GPU instead of very old ones ! Like 1080 Ti is from 2017 and 3050 is a very entry level GPU. I mean, it looks like very bad value if you compare it to old hardware
I did a mix of old and new GPUs last year when I did a similar comparison with the M1 family of GPUs. They have the RTX 30-series GPUs.
No gamer seeking 6600 performance will spend even $999 on a Mac mini pro. You can get a 6600 for $180 new and am 4 systems are dirt cheap to build these days. You can get the Mac mini pro level of performance for less than $600 these days
Building a PC is cheap compared to Apple Silicon Macs. BTW, I hope you meant AM4 system...nobody should resurrect an AM3 system at this point.
@@ImaMac-PC yea I meant am4 lol
i dont see the point of the gpu comparison, the m2 vs m2 pro doesnt have much of a graphics bump, only CPU. the max and ultra is where that bump takes place, and even then gaming is not what they are designed for. And Apple has never been about gaming, it's never been a focus for them so your expectations are based on what exactly?
Expectations are based on Apple's claims. If you watch their M2 Pro video, they claim the Mac can game. I thought I would put that into perspective with actual gaming GPUs. I don't know why they do that. They should just focus on content creation. I guess they think most people will just believe whatever they say about gaming.
should a buy mac mini for 600 dollars or should a build a pc with 600 dollars
Why not just keep what you have and save the $600. Why do you need a new computer? To do what?
The notion that a computer that has thunderbolt 4 ports can’t use an external GPU and can only use an iGPU is absurd.
Apple hates it’s user base.
It's not that they hate their user base as much as they love their shareholders more. They could implement support for eGPU however, then they wouldn't control the forced upgrade through them only. I love my 2018 Intel Mac Mini with an eGPU.
Basically you're buying a CPU with some accelerator cards built in, which works for pro-sumer level video editors and people who are doing CPU heavy calculations or processing. But for the extremely high price tag, you're getting a computer which is practically useless at 3D workflows and true enterprise/hollywood level workflows, codecs and apps. Basically, Apple has successfully targeted this generation of over glorified CZcamsrs and consumer content creators but left many real pros in 3D, CGI, post, render and musicians hanging (made worse by their petty dispute with Nvidia, dropping support of industry leading GPUs). I say musicians because the M-series has been nothing but a living hell for many musicians with numerous musicians holding their old Mac Pros, iMacs and Intel MacBooks specifically due to the plethora of bugs and incompatibility that M-series introduced.
You're right. It's great for CZcamsrs who then promote the machine endlessly. But, they left the high end professionals hanging...once again
Since when was this promoted at a machine which can be used as a Hollywood standard? It’s for the average person who needs a bit more powerful for there workflow they have the Mac Pro which is for Hollywood and stuff
@@proshooters1 I thought you were going to write a reasonable response until I finished your whole comment and realised you're another ignorant apologist. I find it astounding that you immediately went ahead and promoted the Mac Pro, while my original post, which was more a general critique of M-series design philosophy was overlooked. The Mac Pro is HORRIBLE!!! It's just a scaled up version of everything wrong with the lower level M-series chips. It still doesn't have a proper GPU, it's overpriced, and the moment a single component on the tiny integrated chip fries itself from heat or voltage, the whole thing needs to be replaced. It still doesn't address the problem that M-series broke so many features and applications that many users, both consumer and professional, have come to love and use over more than a decade of Intel and AMD processors. No offence, but even Apple's own software got broken and a billion bugs were introduced as a result of the Apple Silicon transition.
Please, don't single out a line from my original post and take things out of context. "Hollywood level workflows, codecs and apps" refers to the fact that Final Cut Pro only supports ProRes, while GPUs and custom built expansion cards are used extensively. Then there are apps which take advantage of these aftermarket, user-installed hardware... none of which any new Mac can do. Who cares about a Media Engine? Those things only support a few codecs which Apple chose when they were built and sold. The moment a few new standards are released, you're going to be left with a hardware accelerator wasn't programmed to process the material and effectively becomes useless.
@@samwu1836 yeh I ain’t reading all that mate have fun 👌
The Arc A750 is now much better than the RTX3060 & is also 1/3 less cost! So unless you want & can afford an RYX3070 or better, the best option for budget gaming is now an Intel Arc A750 at $249! Let all the older graphics cards (RTX3060 & below in the 3000 range along with all the 2000 & 1000s) now pass into extinction, because the Arc A750 is also much newer & more future proof whilst support for the others is vanishing. AMD & Nvidia are short shipping to maximise their profits whilst ripping us off proving they don't care! So sod them and switch to supporting a new 3rd supplier for a better deal!
So now, best options for your budget:
Under $500 = Intel Arc.
$500 to $1000 = AMD.
Over $1000 = Nvidia.
Remember: the Arc GPUs have much higher hardware specs than comparable price AMD cards, like twice as many CUDA cores, so the Arc cards WILL continue to gain more & more FREE extra performance as the drivers improve!
I like your price/product breakdown. Nice and simple. The Intel GPU hardware is impressive for the price. It is good to see them focusing on the drivers as much as they have.
AMD Radeon RX 6600XT are available for $249 or even less and are much performant than an Arc 750 not to mention having without the teething problems Intel has with its Arc drivers. There is no garuntee that Intel will continue driver support for Arc as Intel is cutting costs.
CUDA cores is the marketing term invented by nVidia for the GPU shader operator units. AMD and Intel do not have CUDA as it is an nVidia marketing term. AMD and Intel do not have a marketing name for their shader operator units.
Keep in mind, the first gen Arc GPUs are probably sold at cost or maybe even at loss. They were meant to compete with the 3070 and 3080, but they fell short.
Future Arc will get a pump in price as Intel sorts out the drivers and other design issues.
@@TheMrawesomest the very recent Intel Arc A770 driver has MASSIVELY increased its performance, so now it outperforms the RTX3070 but still costs a LOT less! It may change In the future, but Arc is THE BEST value for money if you want to spend under $500 on a GPU. Even the A750 at under $250 beats the much more expensive RTX3060 right now, & because of the hardware on the Arc cards, the drivers will continue to increase there performance at no extra cost!
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As far as I've heard, Intel has basically shut-down the bulk of their graphics division. I'm sure they're working on drivers still to avoid lawsuits from their investors but it won't be forever. Not sure how good of an investment an Arc card is right now
Uhhh… this really is comparing Apples to oranges. How can you rate an integrated system like the M2 against a discrete video card and then ignore the fact that your “$100 used video card” needs a system around it?
…and really at this point Apple’s success in the gaming space isn’t about the hardware. It’s about devs supporting something other than x86 and DirectX. It’s a software-/mindshare problem - not a hardware or performance problem any more.
Integrated or discrete GPU is irrelevant. Apple claims it can game. Comparison shows what value you are getting from the integrated GPU for gaming. And sure Apple hardware can play games. The point is that it becomes awful expensive to do so on Apple Silicon.
I really do not think the M2 Pro is expensive , for it's performance per Watts , and the fact that Macs don't loose much money when reselling ...
I like building my PC. I don't want this to work
Building is more fun than buying a preconfigured appliance.
My 3080 is probably a M3 ultra
At the high cost of the "Ultra", who cares 😆
While your comparison looks true theoretically, I do not think real performance for Apple's GPUs is that low. The problem with Apple's GPU that they are different in every aspect. At the hardware level, Apple GPUs are Tile-Based Deferred Rendering (TBDR) unlike Nvidia, AMD, and Intel which they are Immediate Rendering. At the software level, Apple is using Metal while most games use either DirectX or Vulkan. When Apple said that M1 Ultra matches Nvidia RTX-3090, many people laughed. But when we look to the performance of Shadow of Tomb Raider which is written for Mac and for Metal, we can see approximately similar performance though the game is running on Rosetta! So, Imagine if runs 100% natively!
Comparing the Teraflop or using other application/ benchmarks assume Immediate Rendering not TBDR will never show the real performance of Apple GPUs. TBDR GPUs are completely different animal.
I think Metal is better and more organized API than DX12 or Vulkan and I think also TBDR is much better architecture specially for Performance Per Watt. But all that needs software and game support.
So, no I do not think apple is giving us what is equivalent to AMD/Nvidia 4 to 6 years back, but unfortunately from software optimization perspective, it looks like this!
Performance is absolutely 🗑️🗑️🗑️ for money. And how about 8gb ram and 256gb ssd??? That's 2018 entry level specs o_0 unified memory? So they downgraded 8+2 to just 8gb
but why ........... SOLDERED SSDs ?!?!?!?!? Apple should have the EU Commissions foot down their throats for soldering the SSDs since 2016 .... jeez louise 🤣🤣🤣 somebody show them that they shouldn't be doing all these demonic moves man .. charging 800$ for a 2TB soldered SSD is just being a demon , goblin , ghoul. U can get a 2TB easily-replaceable Samsung 980 Pro or Sabrent or Seagate or Kingston SSD for 200$ ❤️❤️❤️
I do wonder why EU has not done anything. Mac Studio came out almost a year ago, and Apple charges $600 to get 1.5TB upgrade (2TB total). I just picked up 2TB NVMe WD SN850x 7300MB/s for $160...Apple charges 4x the price!!!
Why not put an NVMe connector slot inside the Mac Studio? I know you can get TB4 external interface, but TB4 is still very expensive.
@@ImaMac-PC yeah ... i know what you saying bro. I actually texted a couple of European Commission accounts on instagram with a fully detailed list of shit that Apple does and politely asked them to intervene but .. unfortunately no answer. they also were the ones to take out the 3.5mm Jack ... and after 1-2 years they started pushing their shitty 250$ wireless Airpods . 20$ for the wired ones and 250$ for wireless (1200% price difference 🤣☠️)
Nividia GPU = Michael Jordan or Lebron James. The GOAT GPU.
AMD GPU = Good, but never the goat. Basically Scotty or Kyrie Irving.
Apple GPU = ok, but bulk supply buy GPU cores. The Costco of the GPU world.
Intel XRE GPU = The person who is mediocre at their job, but think they are great. The laughing stock of the GPU world. Only tolerable if you have no interest in gaming or no interest in video editing.
I like the sports analogy. The Intel ARC GPU and its drivers is like Zion Williamson...hyped up young talent that can show some great performance when working well, but not so good when broken.