Moza R5 Overheated, time for a RADICAL solution!
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2023
- Last night my wheelbase overheated during a race, I wanted to share these details for people who have been interested in buying the R5 so you can make an informed decision!
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I have a R9, and had similar issues, but once I set my FFB up properly to not be over powered and clipping too much, I never have an issue, it gets slightly warm, but it is night and day from how it was before. Im in Iracing, I set my pithouse to 100% and I use the in game strength value to adjust for certain cars, but I found the sweetspot for me there is about 7.0 on that FFB strength(setting the Wheel NM's to 9.0 in settings). ACC ffb whenever I have tried it, is crazy strong and is probably in need of dialling back. I run 2-3 hour races regularly, the wheelbase is barely warm. You need to run it with some headroom available so it isnt going over and clipping.
@amyorissa thanks for sharing your settings. I have been speaking with Moza a bit about it and yeah it seems turning it down and putting a fan on it is the best bet!
I have mounted 2x 4" usb fans (one on each side) blowing on the base. I like the base but it get way too hot without them.
@DaveAndreason this seems like a really easy and viable solution that im hoping to try, did you start with one fan and decide you needed two, or just happen to have two available?
i only know how it works in iracing, but there you can setup a visual bar that displays the ffb strength in realtime. this is perfect to see how often it clips. especially with a "weaker" base it is important that you turn the ffb down enough so it doesnt go to 95% mid corner all the time. 1. reason is because it will clip a lot in bumpy corners or ones with compression like on the nordschleife or bathurst. 2. reason is to have enough headroom to realy distinguish the normal steering forces to the details like curbs, bumps or compression/decompression. this will lead to a better feel of the car and the base not having to push 90% all the time, wich is not the "intendet usecase" i guess.
i hope this helps because with propper settings the wheelbase should not overheat at all, exept in really warm rooms i guess.
@thereverent117 yep in this case it was a combination of all the factors in sure, warm room, no airflow, heavy clipping due to the car and track. My main gripe with it is that if pithouse or the base warned me about temps I would have been able to correct perhaps (between prac quali race) but instead it almost masks it. I have since been in contact with Moza a few times and looking at the temperate logs the key thing to keeping the temps down for me is airflow and I now have a small fan blowing towards the base and me which is quite good!
Thanks so much for the heads up. I have the r5. switching to Radical.
Glad I could help! Have you ever noticed yours being weak @GavinTrickett?
I have only had one problem and that was a disconnect during a race. It's been a great wheel so far. I also only run it at about 85% power. I sometimes play for hours and hours thats when it gets very warm but never have i lost FFB or felt it getting weak.. I think I will DIY some fans for it. Just to be safe. Thanks again for the video I know its not the most fun kind of vid to make but the community needs to know these kind of problems. great work.@@MichaelSmithRaces
idk why he didnt mention the other comments that explained to him that he was clipping almost every bit of feedback and that constantly for an hour caused the over heating.
So before you go and spend more money - might check your settings and also make sure you are actually over heating in the first place
I have had a Moza R5 (incl. lite brake) set for +/- 4 months now, and I have had the issue sometimes but did not know why. I have set it to radical from day one,. I haven't had it when I was on lower FFB settings in the beginning but for a better FFB feel I have used it on maxed settings for about 2 months and on shorter (+/-1.5 hrs) stints/ races it didn't happen. But on longer stints, I have had it, and like you, I was thinking tire wear that caused it. I haven't used telemetry options because I could not really make heads or tails of that tbh, but I look into that to start understanding that from now on. I have to test how I can avoid it, I have chronic tendon problems in my elbows/wrists and hands, and using high FFB settings was causing them to act up forcing me to take days off. So I was already planning to dial FFB down so lowering that might help, if not then I have to look towards other options. However, the probable negatives of not getting enough FFB might hinder my fun/ performances (which haven't really been world-class anyhow (yet??) LOL).
Anywho thanks for pointing this out, because I did feel the base was hot to the touch but never thought this was a/ the problem.
@petermaardananders6803 glad it helped you get awareness of the cause of it also! Hopefully you find a good middle ground with regards to FFB vs your tendon issues. I will keep everyone updated once I get some data and cooling see if I can keep it running optimally!
@@MichaelSmithRaces Thanks again Michael, I am using it at 80% in the Pithouse settings, and still, on Auto detect FFB settings in Iracing atm. Seems fine atm but did not do long sessions yet.
Anywho, going to spend more money on upgrading to a rig instead of my current kitchen table setup, and then load cell pedals are a must too.
Keep up the good work :)
So I emailed moza about my R5 to see if they would develop a different rear plastic shroud with a fan maybe but IV had no response
@Lol91b I'm not sure I could risk getting into taking mine apart but sounds like a good challenge :D
I live in texas.... got the r5 in May of this year(texas is hottt) it regularly gets 105-110°F here, and I have window units(older house) the r5 over heated after about 5-10 min, after 20 it shut off, went through 3 wheels, and decided to just get a logitech d pro wheel
@krazor8 thanks for sharing the info, must be crazy living in that type of heat I can't even imagine! I think the reason the responses are so mixed is due to whether the wheelbase can cool itself due to room temps and air flow. Hope you get on well with the Logitech, solid brand for sure!
43C room temperature? Not sure what to expect, there's literally no cooling, unless you are providing active airflow with a fan.
Also depends how you set up your wheel. 100% torque and ffb plus several gains?
Coming from a G29 I am in the process of trying to chose between the Fanatec CSL DD 5NM & the Moza R5 I'll couple that with a Playseat Trophy for my leaving room
@tadydrift since changing to radical and using a fan behind the base i have not has any further issues of over heating (but still gets hot in logs). ill do an update video soonish. That is to say this is not a deal breaker if you chose Moza!
@@MichaelSmithRaces I'd say I have a preference for the moza as I am already used to it "from some racing sim events" ✌️ Love the video tho, it did cleared a lot of doubts
@@tadydrift I would put the rig in your staying room instead.
Thanks for posting this video. It is honest respectful and helpful.
I dont know why but many Moza users are very very defensive, which does not makes sense because well.
@daifuco Thank you! I always share my honest opinions and experiences of things I use, so people can make informed decisions.
I ran a moza r5 forever....hours on end...and this never ever happened. Run the conservative setting in Pit House and stop your FFB from clipping all over the place. Doesn't matter if your FFB is set to 75% in game when all the settings are cranked at 140% in software and a 300% inertia setting..... I think you're expecting/pushing too much from an entry level DD wheel.
User error.
Correct, this is user error
@advanceddarkness3 what do you mean when you say I have settings cranked to 140% and 300% inertia? I shared all my settings screens hoping that someone can see where I am going wrong, I see it is 100% gain in pithouse (as everyone recommends) and 75% in game, combined with the inertia setting that is set as default for my ES Wheel? Maybe I have not seen the right thing?
@@MichaelSmithRaces My bad with the "natural inertia" on my tiny phone screen in looked like it was set at 300%, but at home on my PC I can see its at 100%. Try lowering all your FFB Equalizer settings down to 100% to keep from clipping. I ran an R5 for months with similar settings, literally hours on end with both the Conservative and Radical settings, while it did get warm, it never once cut FFB.
@@MichaelSmithRacesyeah i think it is mistake in ffb equalizer.. i have my ffb in game on 80% and in moza pit house 100% .. it almost never clipping at 100% .. but totaly different settings in equalizer..
@janker93 @advanceddarkness3 ah that is interesting, thanks! I have not changed these as far as I know, but I will look into equalizer specifically! I agree it does seem strange that it would be over 100% as surely that is more than the game is sending!
Wow, that's concerning... I was considering the R9, but given the fact that it lacks active cooling as well, I might look somewhere else.
Thanks for letting us know!
Yeah @PeterBee911 its annoyed me and I wanted to share because I have been singing Mozas praises for the past year! Given what I know now I would definitely consider alternatives, but I dont have experience enough to say one way or the other unfortunately, they might have similar issues!
I'd go for Alpha mini or La Prima
@@deadmanwalking1930 Yeah, I was also thinking about those two bases. It's a bit more expensive, especially if you factor in the cost of the wheel, but if it means having no problems, it might be worth it.
@PeterBee911 many reasons why moza is cheaper. You get what you pay for ( usually ) FF is MUCH better, stronger and more detailed and no overheating. You'll save in the long run, not wasting money on moza to then sell and have to buy what you should have done originally. Save that waste and hassle snd get a good base and wheel.
ive never had a problem with my r9 and love it
Yikes! Thanks for the heads-up, just got my R5, haven't even mounted it yet. The weather is very nice right now where I live, 72F/22C today, but come summer that will not be the case, can get up to 115-120F/46-49C. It's hard/expensive to keep temps below 80F/26C indoors. Wondering if I should send this thing back. Hmm
@romeocharliedelta I will make a followup video sometime, but the key thing is airflow. If you have a fan pointed at yourself / the base and in radical mode it will be less likely to throttle itself. Also as (many) people have said this was a long stint and the base was clipping, so it was running at its peak power more than normal.
Whether you should keep it or not I cannot say, but I just wanted to make the video to ensure people have all the information I can provide. Otherwise the base has been great for me and I have not had a problem again since this video now that I have it in Radical setting, and use a fan on it.
I have the R5 and run the base settings in pit house, in Iracing 30nm -60nm max force settings or 12-14 strength and my wheel doesn't even get warm🤔
@419tommy yeah I think the main things are ambient room temperature and airflow over the wheelbase
That's one of the issues with the low torque wheelbases. people buy 5Nm or 8Nm wheelbases and think they can run them constantly at 5 or 8Nm, not realizing that this is the limit of the small motor. That's one reason why I always recommend to save up a bit longer and to buy something more capable, but no one ever listens to my advice. The CZcams influences with the affiliate links are certainly more trustworthy than I am. People will end up wanting more torque and they will need extra head room to preserve detail and to avoid clipping. In essence, you don't want the motor to fight you, but the other way around. I run my VRS DD Pro at 13Nm (its rated at 20) and it doesn't even get warm to the touch.
@mementomori4972 yeah im looking at the VRS in the long term as I love their 'not an ecosystem' approach, and I have fallen in love with the pedals!
@@MichaelSmithRaces That's one reason, why I chose VRS. I don't like to be "imprisoned" into one eco system. And it's an industrial servo motor. I won't be able to kill this thing anytime soon. It might not be pretty, but that's the last thing I'm concerned about.
I had a Moza R5 for 1 year and ended up switching to the 15nm Simagic Alpha. The R5 has great details but heating ruins the immersion of the game. With the Alpha it stays cold all the time, I think I made a good change. I feel more grip from the tires and the undulations of the asphalt, in addition to it having a very beautiful shape, identical to the Simucube's shape. From what many people say, R12 eliminates this heating problem.
@celiohigashi thanks for sharing! Thats a really nice wheelbase I'm sure you will continue to enjoy it! Interesting it stays so, I suspect you are right in that as you get more power they never run near peak for very long so generate far less heat....
It literally has the shape of a brick. I mean my VRS doesn't look much better but it's just ad odd thing to admire about a wheelbase😁
Maybe attaching a pc case or radiator fan to the base would stop the issue, even a domestic cooling fan aimed at the Moza might help. There seem to be issues with these "entry level" DD bases regardless of manufacturer. Hope you get it sorted.
@oktc68 yeah thats what im thinking, I feel like it must be possible to dissipate enough heat to keep it running at peak torque. I'm going to see if I can find a way to log the temp of the base and the torque levels as I'm a nerd and I like data!
I modified a CSWV2 a few years back with massively upgraded motors. You need to pass the air over and away. I used a silent aquarium pump to blow cold air into a sleeve I had surrounding the motors, then a fan to exhaust the hot air. Worked perfectly. These bases won't be as simple as the motor is the size of the body and has not only no room to breathe, but its totally enclosed within the base. I would start with removing any non structural panels you can to let the heat escape. The permanent fix would be to rehouse the internals in a custom frame and add fans to that. Or just buy an Accuforce for £600 and get Simon at SRM to make your Moza rims USB.
@@bobeyes3284 from what I believe the shell itself is the heatsink so it should have good thermal transfer from the motor inside? I think an exhaust system on my fake steering wheel sounds like great fun!! :D
SirFoch's Moza R5 FBB went exiting pits in a 45 min race at Spa on new years eve.
Thanks for the info @Chad-tp5kz! Here is the link for others:
www.twitch.tv/videos/2018881176?t=17825s
I know it’s another point of failure. But I’m glad my DD2 has active cooling, no overheating no matter how hard I push it
@HughMyron372 Maybe one day!! £££$$$€€€
@@MichaelSmithRaces the dd2 was for sale 799 on blackfridays.
@BelgianSimRacing that would have been a great deal! I was not in the market then, I was too busy telling everyone how great the R5 was before it let me down :)
@@MichaelSmithRaces yeah sucks.. The r9 also has overheating issues.. 🤦♂️
@BelgianSimRacing, ill update once I do some longer stints with the radical setting, and see about getting a dedicated fan for it... fingers crossed! Are you using an R9?
I just ordered this. Should I cancel?
@albert8523 I have had the base for a year now and its been great. I made this video so that everyone has all the information as some users were asking me if I have had overheating. If you are aware of the limitations and plan ahead its probably still a great option in the price point, but I would not be able to say one way or the other because I suspect anything around this price and performance may have similar or other issues.
Mines only ever got hot from drifting in AC, since, well, constant turning and what not. Other than that, its gotten warm, but never hot,.
@randipoling635 yeah its mostly todo with airflow when you are pushing it to the max. I need to do a followup video on this still!
I live in the uk and have the r12 never experienced this issue
@JoshML777 R12 does look like an awesome bit of kit!
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i bought thr R5 yesterday and i m really worry for the future cause i live south Europe and summer is hot here (Greece)
@mesfigas I think if you are aware of it then you will be fine. If you find the base is getting really hot then perhaps turn down the FFB and do Radical setting, but do it in advance before it starts to lose torque mid race :) I had never had any problems up until this point and have loved it for the past year. It is possible in the pithouse software to download the log file so you can try that and see how the temps are running
Imho i think you need to learn and understand what the wheel and the ffb is telling you. those laptimes on Spa is way off. you also riding the throttle in corners, causing understeer. please dont take it wrong i am just trying to help. i would really suggest to lower the ffb. the r5 is more than enough. (if you want to be quick) if you want more "realistic" maybe then a stronger base will do. i would say anything higher than a 2:19 got nothing to do with wheel base or brand. i used a t300 for 2years and just got the R5 and I'm super impressed. I'm not a alien or top pro esport driver, my times is about a second off the top guys. still trying to dial the setting in but the acc settings in moza software is just terrible for me, like the road sens i use 1 and damping for me is a no go for me.
@hardusbooyse8896 thanks for the comment, yes I completely agree that the moza in itself is not holding me back in terms of lap time, I am the first to admit that I am very much a novice and have much to learn! I was using the lack of grip to explain the feeling as I was previously telling people that the moza does not overheat, but unless you know what to feel for its subtle and you dont notice, which was the main reason I made the video so people to know what to look (feel) for.
@@MichaelSmithRaces cool man. and good to know that it does overheat, thank you.
@hardusbooyse8896 his laptimes are off because he's driving a challenge car, the ferrari challenge, not a gt3
@@bobhall9724 thanks for pointing that out. i was just concerned when i notice the fastest lap in top left and a base that overheats that something else is spoiling the fun for him. always thought that the challenge will be almost the same pace as a gt3. ive never tried it or any Ferrari in acc.
so would you sim racing experts say this is a good base for trucking simulation? ets2 ats?
@putter9198 I love ets2, would like to play it more! Works totally fine for it. I have not used the new Moza Truck wheel though, that will be great I expect. Also keen to hear other opinions on this, but I think finding a wheel you are happy with for truck sim is probably the best starting point, if you are looking into that specifically. If you want an all purpose setup then any of the modern direct drive wheelbases will work great.
@@MichaelSmithRaces i am thinking of upgrading from a soon 6 year old thrustmaster mx base with the leather wheel... and the pedals i never can remebmer the name for, have the thrustmaster shifter with a real eaton fuller shift knob on, so intending to keep the shifter and maybe replace the rest, they work but that small leather wheel and not so great driving feel... well..the moza setup looks more and more interesting...thanks for the swift reply!
oh and i assume the overheating would not be a problem even on long ets2 sessions? i mean it's not as intense driving as racing...?
@putter9198 yeah overheating shouldnt be an issue in that scenario, even if it were to happen, for example you are in a super hot room with no airflow around the base, it shouldnt take away from your enjoyment of the truck sim. But im far from an expert on that as I've only played it twice!
Ther,s a clipping bar for a reason , it doesnt matter witch base you have ,if you clip it it will overheat . even a r21, if ur a gorrilla .
@paulheijmans1326 I feel like it should be able to output its max though still? I just wish in pithouse it told you if it was throttling, that is the main issue I have with this. Its understandable that it can only produce a certain amount of force before getting hot, but the way it is inconsistent without telling me is the reason I made the video. I had to look into the logs (once I realised the issue) to find out.
I just ordered an R5 bundle, now I am thinking twice :(
@slackface1 this is why I wanted to put this video out, my R5 video has had a lot of views so I know there are lots of people who are interested in it. Sorry if it has caused you some stress! At the moment I dont know what the best option is, I have been very happy with it the past year until now...
What is your room temperature? Wonder if perhaps it was just a little warmer than usual and caused it to overheat? For a budget friendly option Moza R5 seems to be the best. Simagic has some pretty nice bases, but would be great if they had a bundle.@@MichaelSmithRaces
The vast majority of people won't ever experience this. Unless you're doing very long races or running high ffb for several hours it's generally not an issue. The other wheelbases in this price range also get hot and each one has a different way of dealing with it.
Don't worry yet. I haven't had this issue yet with my r9.
@@slackface1 The room was definitely hotter than usual. As I have my new setup the base is now surrounded by triple monitors which also put out heat. I agree that Moza is fantastic value for money.
This is why fanatec DD is better, it is much larger with more surface area and cooling fins. Overheating has been one of my concern with Moza, it is like they skimped on cooling.
@postalpancho yep its just airflow... I need to do a follow up video on this, but I have had no further issues since pointing a fan at it!
Pretty sure this absolutely needs water cooling…
@mattjnewham now thats a design decision I can get behind! I need your best R&D work on this!
It only gets warm in ACC, especially when clipping like yours is. Problem solved
@seoskimi5872 I have been testing and my motor today hit 70C 😂
Reduce FFB strength to 80-90% and never experience this problem again :)
I am strong like bull, need maximum power! 💪
I feel for you. I was originally looking at Moza, but after much research i ended up increasing budget and going for Asetek la prima. Couldn't be happier with it. Plus can eventually upgrade from 12nm to 18nm. I understand higher cost involved, but would've spent a lot more buying a starter dd and losing on selling and buying bettet one. I thought just skip that and get a decent one.
@deadmanwalking1930 Thanks and the Asetek stuff seems fantastic, such a reliable company aswell! I think you made a good choice, but its a lot of money all at once! :)
@MichaelSmithRaces for sure, it's a big investment. But it's definitely worth it if able to pay the bigger upfront cost. Anyway, all the best to you. Try using a fan for now, maybe later on you can get better equipment.
That's not a fair comparisions, is it?
Compare it to Moza's "equivelent" (R12) that barely gets warm to touch, let alone getting hot - skin burn occours at 52-54ºC (denaturation of proteins), so that's what is really hot, hence the "radical" word use by Monza in that extreme profile :)
@jopereirapt bs, the r12 also has heating issues. Just depends on individual units, but heard many ppl with r12s complain about overheating. Plus, the r12 absolutely doesn't feel as powerful as a 12nm should. Too many issues with that company.
@@deadmanwalking1930I have yet to see a review with *real* torque numbers. Why nobody does it? Ask them. A simple kitchen scale does the job...
A 100hp diesel engine also feels more powerfull than a 100hp gasoline one... not because it produces more power at it's limit but because it provides more power over the whole range - do you *really* know that's not the case with Asetek? (a different distribution curve provides that, no need to increase the hardware power in any way)
BTW, Asetek has great products, you did well.
R5 is no longer needed. There is C5 - the new king!
@orangechannel4862 I hope to do a comparison one day! 👀
People stop being so defensive.
Just add a small fans to it.
Done
@GregoryShtevensh thanks, yep airflow seems to be the key thing! I've been doing lots of testing and talking to Moza since this video went out.
@MichaelSmithRaces yeah they just don't have large enough fins on the base for heat dissipation I think.
The CSL DD for example is basically wrapped in a heat sink with fins.
I'd get two noctua 40mm fans and mount them on either side and see if that fixes it.
Noctua fans are nearly silent so it wouldn't ruin the experience
@@MichaelSmithRaces or maybe something cheaper even 🤔
Again a youtuber misusing his moza gear (clipping) and posting "overheating". Buy a strong version iff 5nm is to low..'
@Bert1986 Appreciate you would call me a youtuber :) I just post my experiences with sim racing for anyone who is interested and try to get better and learn
If it shouldn't be used at 5Nm, it shouldn't be advertised as a 5Nm wheelbase. A manufacturer could restrict the output at 70% and prevent overheating in the first place, just like Simagic does with the Alpha mini for example.
I have this base. Either your video is very intentionally misleading or you do not know what you are talking about and are blaming it on the base. Your base did not overheat. You were clipping in every corner, demanding too much of the wheel.
@darmichar73 yes there was clipping, but the wheel did overheat causing a huge loss of torque by around 20 minutes into the race. Reviewing the logs in pithouse the motor was up to 62C. I agree that it had no where else to send the heat so reducing torque is the only option. I made this video because until experiencing this I also often told people that the base never overheated and ware rarely even that hot to the touch! I will make a follow up when I have more data and hopefully a solution with maybe a fan or updated settings.
I have r5 base and I have over heating issues. This is a widespread issue with the r5 and r9
@@civicstyle01have u installed a fan to the base ? I want to buy r9 if fan fixes the issue.
The product does not have a heating problem. Maybe some products may be faulty, but in general there is absolutely no such chronic problem. I think you are misleading people.
@uy8884 how long have you had your base for? I have been using mine for the past year. On the day in question the logs showed the motor hit 63 degrees C. Now I am running in radical mode and today I extracted further logging from the device showing that it hit 70C. I have reduced the force feedback settings again and it seemed to have settled at 63 C. Please feel free to send me temperature logs from your device over an hour of use from pithouse it would really help me to see if my unit has somehow developed a fault. My email is available in the contact section on YT.
Why waste your hard earned cash on a Chinese piece of junk?
The fact they was the cheapest in the market didn't ring any alarm bells?
The company are known for making car suspension and have had nothing to do with the sim wheel market not make you stop and think?
The world needs people like you 👍👍👍
@bobeyes3284 what do you recommend instead?
The world needs less bigots actually.
MOZA do know a thing or two about electronics as they make all sorts of camera equipment. Gimbals, etc. Maybe 5NM just isn’t enough. For actual sim racing. The video footage shows the wheel base clipping constantly. Having a higher powered wheel base and running it on slightly lower settings. Would solve any overheating issues. I’m running a MOZA R16 V2 I have it set to around 80%. I do 6 hour endurance races,and it doesn’t even get warm to the touch.
Other brands also have issues with their lower powered DD’s overheating. This is usually because they are run at full or close to full power constantly.
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