James Tour Goes to Harvard (And Humiliates Himself)
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- čas přidán 14. 12. 2023
- Hey, remember James Tour's pathetic "60 day challenge" where he just repeated the same dumb things I debunked in our debate, pretending that origin of life researchers would acknowledge him and teach him chemistry? That finally elapsed, and Lee Cronin was the only one who responded to tell him how ridiculous he is. That prompted James and the DI to convince Lee to come to Harvard for a "round table discussion", and it was absolutely hilarious. It's just several scientists and philosophers dumping all over James for several hours, and watching him squirm. Let me take you through the highlights.
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The weird kid finally gets invited to the cool party and he takes a dump in the pool.
Where the pool is his own reputation
@@Ratciclefan LMAO
And then he looks back and thinks: damn, the primordial soup created life by itself. How do I square that circle?
@@ouwebrood497this is why you don't eat goulash the night before swimming
@@ouwebrood497 lol. And look! A James Tour shaped thing has slithered out of his much loved primordial soup!
I wonder if he's just really into Heinz chicken soup or summut
dude if i started unironically reading basic dictionary definitions to a high level dinner party of doctorates and scientific academics I'd end myself
Right? I don't know how someone could do that, knowing how much smarter they are.
I'll take 'Out Of Their Element' for 200, Alex
I am still trying to figure out if he is bonkers or a conman, perhaps both
While I get the dig at him, I’d also like to point out that basic definitions like that are common practice in talks or round tables. This is especially true and necessary when it’s interdisciplinary functions as it’s not fair to assume everyone in the room knows everything you’re thinking.
I.e. When giving a talk on vestibular function (balance) and discussing something like ocular counter-roll you should explain what it is (the eye rolling in the opposite direction of head tilt to remain roughly aligned with gravity.) Even though this is a pretty simple term with a given definition it’s still helpful to ensure everyone listening knows what you’re talking about, even in prestigious institutions where everyone in the room is assumed to be very intelligent.
@@McCarthyJohn100 Have you seen Tour's CV? He's not dumb, he's just stupid. 🤪
It feels like james wasn't invited to harvard to be a legitimate speaker but more like a clown for very intelligent people to watch while they have dinner.
You've got that the wrong way around, it was Lee who was invited, by James. This whole thing was set up by the DI, and hosted by the Cambridge Faculty Roundtable on Science and Religion.
This latter is an organisation whose funding sources and actual affiliation with any university seem difficult to fathom, but as far as I can tell - and I might be completely wrong - it is funded by grants from the Templeton Foundation (which appears to be an overtly Christian proselytising organisation) and despite how it presents itself it is not actually part of any university based in Cambridge MA.
While I am not for a moment seeking to impugn the integrity of the Roundtable, or suggest that promoting discussions between science and faith is in itself a bad thing to do, I can't help but wonder about the motives of anyone who thought putting James Tour up to represent the Christian worldview would be a good choice.
Either the Roundtable were somehow ignorant of how Tour operates and the things he says, which would show a certain lack of due diligence on their part, or they knew perfectly well what kind of individual they were dealing with. If that were the case, then two further choices present themselves: either they failed to predict what a sh1tshow he would put on, despite all the evidence to the tell them exactly how this would go, something they must surely now be regretting, or again they knew perfectly well what the outcome would be and wanted it to be that way. If I assume that they knew exactly what they were doing, I can only conclude that serious minded Christian apologists wanted to secure undeniable evidence that some of the theistic arguments being touted by the lunatic fringe of their community are indeed completely insane.
If that was actually their objective, then they have certainly achieved it.
Well you got to admit - his tantrums were very entertaining! I think he suffers from a lack of self awareness and has narcissistic personality were he cannot be self critical or reflective. Its his way or no way based on his blind believe in a religious book he does not even understand himself.
If it was set up by the DI, why’d they go out of their way to invite some many people much smarter then them?
@@zafool4997Why can’t you spell?
It strikes me as a"Dinner for Schmuck's" situation
Give it a year and he’ll be using this as “credentials” for why he’s qualified to talk about origin of life
He's been doing that for more than 2 years now 😂
You know he's going to list this on his resume, boasting about talking at Harvard.
a year dont underestimate the tour hell do it immediately lol
I mean before it even happened he posted "response to my challenge" then after the event like a little ogre he posted the video and titled it "origin of life solved?" As in look I'm right! Intentional and typical misguiding by our buddy James
Yeah, honestly this is the context in which "no platforming" makes sense. If someone's batshit crazy and not qualified, don't legitamize them on a major platform for the sake of "debate" or "representing both sides".
Imagine being brought out to Harvard to be roasted by someone you constantly misquote. Absolutely diabolical. I love it
And he showed up, that is pure gold right there.
@@ExpatZ266comedy genius Tour.
@@ExpatZ266 Nah, he had no choice. Tour had been challenging (begging) big bad Lee to be invited to any kind of dialogue for years by that point; to decline after all of that chest-thumping would be more embarrassing than being clowned.
It’s funny how the petty egos of both men were on display for all.
@@lsmith869 We can see your comment history, so don't pretend you're not biased towards Tour with that "both men bad" crap.
Lee Cronin basically called out Tour's ranting, but in the most civil way possible.
Yeah far to English and polite. From an Englishman.
@@byrnemeister2008
Nah. They are just too self-aware to make his mistakes.
@@byrnemeister2008 i think that's just the being an academic thing tbh. he's actually an expert and has a lifetime of experience in systematically dismantling arguments. he doesn't need to shout or insult like tour does. the science can speak for itself
@@byrnemeister2008 Yes, but it has some unforgettable charm to it and in that way is far more rude because it will hunt James forever.
"Im not talking about a God of the Gaps, I just think we are utterly clueless on abiogenesis and thats exactly where my God comes in."
You couldn't write a character this stupid if you tried.
😂😂😂
Remember when he basically said he's bad at philosophy?
Maybe you shouldn't talk about a concept like God if you have very little philosophical training.
Lol, precisely the definition of god of the gaps.
Even South Park can't write someone this ridiculous.
"Do you believe that we'll eventually find a naturalistic explanation?"
"Yes, God did it."
I love how the woman exposes James with her question and her refusal to let him dodge the question with his babbling.
czcams.com/video/X5dSkY1Mv-0/video.html
Where in the video is this found... sounds hilarious!!
@@email2hector 38:47
@@email2hector 38:50 And yes, it is hilarious just how small and insignificant a person can become.
@@DarkOmegaMK2thank you for the time stamp!
Put James in a room full of uneducated people and you get misinformed people.
Put James in a room full of educated people and you basically get a circus of people dunking on a clown
I just have one tweak:
Put James in a room full of educated people, and you get 1 guy yelling “CLueLeSs!!” at everyone else who are just rolling their eyes.
😂😂😂😂
@@cuzned1375 so true
Ouch!!
The change in Tour’s demeanor from his videos and his debate with you to the round table and panel shown here reminds me of a political cartoon I saw decades ago that stuck in my head. It was published when Ronald Reagan nominated the far-right Christian fanatic legal theorist and Nixon henchman (and, incidentally, owner of the Second Ugliest Beard in The World™️ after Yasser Arafat’s face fungus) Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court. The first panel portrayed Bork as a massive, slavering bulldog with teeth bared, barking “BORK! BORK BORK BORK! BORK BORK!” The second showed the same creature in front of the Senate Judiciary committee, hiding its teeth and saying “Mew?” as if hoping to be mistaken for a kitten.
I'm 8 minutes into the video and already utterly embarrassed by the way Tour speaks to a room full of PhDs
The thing is, even when the room is full of like minded ppl, it's still a lions den where you have to tread carefully. James being the outlier really didn't seem to appreciate his position as the outlier. Its not only strange and hazardous, but foolish.
@@HH-ru4bjAll he has to do to get out of the den is be honest and admit it isn't his field and retract his assertions.
@@mdug7224
No. He has passed that stage, as he bas been so utterly rude. If he went straight and honest, they would tear him apart.
He's not speaking to the room full of phd's. He's there just to gather sound bites for his fans that he can then spin and repackage for his goofball congregation of nutters.
@@mdug7224His ego won’t let him do that
James has been traumatized since he realized molecules don't have a driver's licence.
TBH James doesn't know what a driver's licence is. When he took his test he rode off a cliff screaming, "Gravity isn't real!" under his helmet they found aluminum foil...
Cool to hear how civil, intelligent and humble real scientists talk
Just take moment to realize how different the professors in this video are from the characters in God's Not Dead 4 or whatever evangelical off-to-college drama portrays them.
I would have loved to be at the table and just listen to their discussion.
Learning chemistry & biology out of curiosity ❌
Learning chem and bio to better laugh at James Tour and how Dave roasts him ✅
i am both
Real-life applications often help incentivise students.
Believe it or not I actually Started a second major in chemistry. So I can understand origin of life research better.
Iam both,
Did biology at school could of done higher where I would of probably covered some biochemistry.
I would love to hear James your against a Christian who studies biology and evolution,
😂 be a more fair argument as both have belief in a god
Only difference 1 agrees on evolution the other doesn't.
As religion against non religion is a rather unbalanced debate
When 1s religious beliefs shouldn't be in the question.
I have learned _a lot_ of chemistry and biology out of curiosity. _A lot._
But none of that makes me laugh at JT. The time it takes me to get one person up to speed and _really_ understand the issues, he can get 1000 people on board with his nonsense. It does not make me laugh.
I actually laughed when James brought up the Babylonian gods. It’s so funny how modern religious people look back on some ancient religions as primitive nonsense but don’t bother to even question their own. Many parts of the old testimony were literally written during or after the Babylonian exile. It makes no sense to discount the Babylonian gods in one breath and preach the bible with the next.
Testament*
They don't even realize how their modern religion is the product of cultural and theological EVOLUTION, merging of ideas and people, etc.
Retards are gonna tard
He was SO CLOSE, but then he remembered that he had to keep those DI-dollars rolling in.
If only he knew what the apostle Paul actually believed and meant Christianity to be.
"Here's how you failed, here's how you might do better."
Great life advice from Lee Cronin. I'll take this.
Watching Lee talk to James is like watching an owner scold his dog for misbehaving.
"I hereby officially rank James Tour's fans as dumber than Flat Earthers" wow, coming from Dave that's probably the worst insult possible to a group of people.
I would say at least 90% of flat earthers are also creationists...and chemtrailers... And anti vaxxers etc etc.
🤔... it's, at best, a toss up 🤷♂️ 😆😆😝
I still want to give it to the flat earthers since essentially anyone with any level of education ought to be able to demonstrate for themselves that the earth isn't flat.
Taken to their level, these people wear their ignorance like a badge of honor. Remember, faith allows you to believe in something without evidence, logic or reason. The perfect shield for the ignorant.
@@ShonMardaniRan out of science? What?... What!? 😂?
As someone in academia, it’s so easy to see that even the way they talk normally to him is no different from how they’d talk to an infant. It’s so nice to see
I just love how they said in polite scientist talk that he's an idiot.
Very spot on. I remember when I had to do lectures, as part of my PhD in front of a bunch of engineering students. It was very much the same thing, as one tries to dumb it down.
@@Jack908r Well, they didn't, though. Cronin was very openly and clearly calling for civil discourse even when we need to be critical of one another. I think interpreting this as secretly calling people stupid is a bit much. We should listen to the words he actually says, not what we hope they 'really' mean.
@@joshuaprayI agree to a certain degree. But some of them very much called him stupid in a polite, educated way.
@@eliasroflchopper3006 Wrong, yes. Very wrong and very misguided, yes. But stupid? No, I don't think that was what any of them were saying. A clever/stupid binary is not how academics and professionals conceptualise challenges and discourse. And this is preceisely what they were reiterating because that binary is most definitely how James Tour conceptualises challenges and discourse.
As a faithful christian who also follows science closely, we do not claim this man.
Almost all unbelievers in this comment section know that you belong to a minority and Jimmy Thinner Than Thong to a minority of christians. Thanks for speaking out.
That was brutal. Not only was Tour humiliated at every stage by scientists at the top of their game but he humiliated himself when he said that he loves Jesus as an answer. It couldn't have been worse for him even if he were to shit his pants at the dinner table.
Having pooped at a dinner table once while attempting to make it to a bathroom… yeah he absolutely embarrassed himself worse. I’d be shocked someone like this wouldn’t be crying at least in anger over how much he can’t be taken seriously.
Are we 100% sure he didn't shit himself?
That might have actually helped him. At least he might have gotten a little sympathy.
He would have said that was a miracle- as he doesn't often shit his pants at the dinner table!
Wow. He’s a well-published scientist who has NO idea how to interact with other scientists. 🤦🏻♂️ He was accorded far more grace than he deserves.
I'll admit I held out some brief hope that he wouldn't just obfuscate and lie to their faces.
But he really he is just that shameless.
So, I hate to bring this up or widen this gap, but Tour is actually an engineer - a chemical engineer - but an engineer, nonetheless. I see him as another data point on the Salem Hypothesis.
@@BlackCoyote66 his degrees are in organic chemistry, not chemical engineering. He is a Professor of Material Science and Nanotechnology (at Rice), which is a branch of engineering. He’s a good scientist within his field and no one should diminish that. The problem with Tour is that he fancies himself to be more than he is and it just makes him look like an ass (nice way to put it).
He forgot how to talk with scientists. He was too busy golfing with buddies in DI
That's the thing real scientists know how to talk to each other even when they don't agree with each other.
While people like tour think if they shut more people will listen to them,
When it r
Just makes them look bad.
James knows that he is wrong. DI pays him to lie.
But it's a lie he wants to believe, and his belief and sunk costs run so deep that it creates an enormous amount of dissonance ... so much that his supposed knowledge of being wrong usually only rises to a thin, niggling doubt or sense of discomfort or moorlessness. I don't necessarily think that's enough to attribute to someone real knowledge of their error. I think that the capacity for doublethink is very real, even if it's not really exactly the same process as we otherwise ordinarily call genuine thinking.
Well said! I quit giving passes a long time ago because people know what the hell they are doing!
@Apostate1970 I don't think he actually believes in what he is saying. I'm pretty sure it is all about the money. As lo g as money comes in, he will continue to lie.
@HoneyGirl68 100% Agree, I'm tired of religion trying to blur the lines between fact and fantasy. "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"~ Sir Arthur Clarke
@@wes5629I think that a large part of it for for Tour is ego. He’s sunk so deep into this, to admit being out of his depth would be impossible for his massive ego to cope with.
It's so embarrassing hearing him keep repeating about jesus around all those scientist and physicist
Physicists are scientists..
Yeah I was cringing every time he started talking about how much he loves Jesus. Does he really have that little self-awareness, like read the room dude 😂😂😂
Did this guy start a lecture at HARVARD by citing the Merriam-Webster dictionary like a poor undergraduate student?
Not even poor undergrad student. Like a poor sap who is writing his wedding vows last minute
😂yes
This is a double-edged sword. While I am glad that the Harvard panel exposed him as a "raving lunatic" who is committed to justifying his absurd religious beliefs; but on the other hand, he will take this back to his community and claim that the appearance legitimizes him in the broader science community.
That is true, but Dave is showing us on CZcams the papers that disprove the DI and Tour.
His congregation will spin it in any way that is favorable. If they ignore Tour, Tour wins. If they invite him, Tour wins. What's more important is that less radical Tour followers begin to question the man, so only raving lunatics remain.
We have to believe in exposing lies…..we have to.
@@AnthropomorphicTrilobiteAgreed. That the devout followers will take anything that happens as victory is basically set in stone. But this communication is valuable for reaching those who are watching his content because they're interested in the debate, or questioning.
I really gotta wonder what to do with these people who are nothing but calcium from frontal to occipital. What do you do with these incorrigible bio-robots?
Honestly, without all this drama, I wouldn't have found how cool a guy Lee is
Yeah, he's a pretty cool guy. I'm interested in what he has to say even more after this video.
@@eitan461 Mystify that audience? Lol! Good luck with that. Cronin was amongst peers. This wasn't a meeting about going into science nitty gritty. It was largely about approach to scientific research and Tour looked like an idiot out of his depth.
@@eitan461 Good for them to not debate about science with Tour. Might have been an accidental character assassination for him.
@@eitan461 Well, I got out of it that Cronin is a decent, real scientist and Tour is a fundamentalist lunatic masquerading as a scientist.
James Tour is very ignorant!
James Tour looks like he just got promoted to the grown up table at a holiday meal.
So kind of them to invite a lunatic to their dinner, reminds me of that film dinner for schmucks. Did Harvard have a theologian speak to show him how discourse is conducted?
Seriously I think the Willard Preacher would have more success here if only because he knows he’s a grifter. Like, a theologian literally did debate him and just completely tore him apart…
This wasn't organised *by* Harvard, it was simply held *at* Harvard in front of an invited audience, and arranged by an organisation that promotes dialogue between science and faith with the purpose of converting adherents of the former to the latter.
@@PeerAdder So James Tour was essentially batting for the home team and still lost? That makes it so funny imo.
"im sorry for interrupting you but i have ADD so i think it's okay" what an icon
She should have sprayed him with the "Bullshit Repellant".
@@galileog8945Bullshit repellant? Hang on…
New
Bullshit B-Gone!
Body Protectant.
8-hour protection from all pseudoscience.
*Does not stop mosquitoes.
EDIT: This is supposed to be a joke, and to be frank, I’m not sure if it’s good…
She was definitely trolling and I am all here for it
Love a fellow neurodivergent queen :D
i love her for that such a queen
I feel so embarrassed for him. Everyone in there was polite enough not to call him an idiot 😅
Isn’t it amazing how polite they are but in James’s videos he’s so mean and hateful?! And he’s supposed to be the righteous one in this group….
Or are they calling him an idiot in the most polite ways possible 😂
@@SnappyWasHere
See that's the thing. Few things will make people as vile, evil and rude as religion.
Oh, I heard them calling him an idiot, a liar, and a religious fanatic. They were just using different words. And yes, this was painfully embarrassing. 🤢
I don't feel embarrassed for him, he had it coming.
Growing up in a household where I was forced to attend fundamentalist Christian churches, I heard them routinely state that the whole "We'll know someday" is intentionally deceptive as a statement to those who look to science for answer. When they say that, they mean "We'll all know when our god destroys the world and we all enter the afterlife and get a whole new planet all to ourselves". That's literally what they mean when they say these words. It is disingenuous of them to imply it means anything else. Tour is just another lying liar who lies, IMO, so it wasn't much of a surprise to hear the same old lie from him.
100% this. It's a pre-emptive "I told you so" disguised as an olive branch.
James was given the opportunity to sit amongst some of the smartest and most distinguished people in the world and he shields himself behind his pride. Wasteful.
And babbles about how he "loves Jesus SO MUCH...."🤮🤮🤮
16:18 Watching James Tour argue with real scientists is like watching a sovereign citizen represent themselves against real lawyers in court.
perfect comparison.
Both pretend their farting is of academic or judicial value, but the only thing it does is stink.
@@kamion53You're sure it's a fart. I see soiled diapers.
Much better than my analogy. Bravo.
or taliban with no arm or leg solo attempt seal team six
@@lighter412 Yeah, propagandised much are ya?
And here I thought we had an intelligent audience hanging out.
This was beyond painful to watch. I almost feel sorry for James. Almost. Then he goes and tell another lie like "we're telling people we have all the answers" and I don't care anymore.
Emphasis on _almost_ 😉
I had to stop within seconds of his deranged presentation starting. I can't imagine how uncomfortable it must have been to see it in person.
IKR? It all boils down to the anti-science movement's desperate attempt to push a false equivalency -- namely, that the scientific community is nothing more than a "priesthood" that preaches some weird kind of godless religion, one that is supposedly trading entirely on faith in a dogmatic system regardless of evidence or results.
Funny thing is, it's always the scientific community that seems to have the far more reliable track record when it comes to following the evidence & producing interesting, valuable results....
Yah I literally can't watch his interactions
Agree so much. The amount of schadenfreude is simply stunning
James "I know everything" An actual academic "Well what about this?" James "Well Jebus says"
"the Babylonians didn't know molecules exist James!" lol. what a line.
Nice Symbionese Liberation Army pfp
@@godofmath1039 cheers, it was a toss up between them and the RAF logo, that shooter and star looks cool. but a 6 headed hydra won. i am impressed a person recognised it. free symbionia! lol.
I think I'm gonna start a young earth creationist propaganda CZcams channel so that I can get a free dinner at Harvard with the leading scientific minds. It's certainly easier than doing actual research!
Flatearthers were also offered space flights for free already. Imagine when a normal worker class person is dreaming to travel to space and freaks get them for their attention.
That’s true and depressing.
James Tour is not a Young Earth Creationist.
@@j.athanasius9832doesn’t matter Tour is still a raging pathetic fraud and is evidently proven to be so multiple times
@@j.athanasius9832 how can you be sure? he said he believes scripture that says that earth is 6000 years old so he might be.
"James Tour Goes to Harvard..."
Me: LOLWTF!?
"... (And Humiliates Himself)"
Me: Oh, now it makes sense.
Yooo I watch ur vids
Seconded, I'm a Marty watcher.
Oven mitt time!
Of course!
Fxck.
Stupid youtube unsubbed me for no reason!!
The amount of second-hand embarrassment I felt for Tour was immense. Jesus Christ.
The same for me. It was a long time ago I cringed that badly.
i think tour would agree with the last part of your comment at least.
The look of complete and utter misery on James' face during the meal is priceless! He's so unhappy when he can't be the center of attention. Petulant narcissist.
I have a feeling this James guy is gonna discreetly sweep this experience under the rug.
Or even worse, he's gonna twist this situation and forward his agenda.
considering the lvl of narcism he displayed elsewhere.. and how its confirmed such things makes the persons twist stuff in their head as ''not praise of me , impossible! must meant something else''
and the 'investment expectations' of the cult he desperately suckles nourishment for said narcism from.. aka ''salvage some fking reputation so we can parade that as a reason to care about your words supporting ouer dogma!''
i be ready to bet cash on some serious twisting of this.. be it quote mining the others words , or spinning tours proper ''subdued'' manners as ''oh see he so humble polite christian ,ooooobviously that nefarious 'youtuber' must done something exceptionally annoying to rile him up.. so clearly all his decelerations as 'expert' that there must be a god and ouer god and that hallucinations of it is direct communications not signs of delirium'' etc etc
not sure if it be happening shortly after this or kept in the 'sleve' to be dragged up a year from now or so
I am hypothesising that he will come out saying, "They were talking nonsense at the table and ganging up on me, not even letting me speak." "I stayed quiet because I didn't want to upset anyone."
He's copyright striking everybody that reviews the debate. So yeah, he's trying to sweep his humiliation under the rug. He can't let his own garbage and contradictory rhetoric get in the way of his narcissistic personality disorder
That’s not a feeling, it’s accurately predicting the future 😂
@@Chemasaurus😂😂😂 no way
James is a person who likes to control both sides of a conversation and still loses the argument.
And James tour’s fans still think he won😂
He'd lose an argument with himself!
@@user-vm3dd4yd2l"James wrecks all the Harvard nerds" is probably what his audience is saying. 😂
@@MatthewBarannah, they’re being so fucking quiet now lmao
@@familyshield6405 Hi James! I know that you wanted him to sketch out some magic counterspell sigils on the board, but he brought along all the research that proved your chemistry question was already answered.
I know that pageantry is fun and all, but if Dave had scribbled out the entire diagram (which would have eaten all of his response time that was better spent directly showing all the research that you're ignoring) would you not have just moved the goalposts?
I know that what you wanted was a classic wizard's duel, but Dave did post a followup video discussing your complaints, and showing the more or less irrelevant chemistry equation you were fishing for, as well as explaining yet more ways you willfully missed the point.
I'm sorry. Truly I am. But you have to have noticed at some point that it's not the 1970's anymore.
We're not clueless about possible ways life began without the need for a Creator.
Can you at least concede that such a thing is possible, even if you can't wrap your mind around it?
You've already accepted your religion, which demands you accept a lot of stuff that is frankly impossible for the world as we know it.
Life arising of its own accord involves far less 'because I said so', and if your God is responsible, big deal. It does not matter to the research going on in this field.
They wanted to hire a clown for the event but found an opportunity to get someone for free.
Even better than that, DI paid them
Stupid.
You say at one point, "James should become a politician", I think he already has become one, at least in the 'looks like a duck, sounds like a duck' manner.
"You're a Scientist, right?" LOL! The perfect question that needs to be directed to James Tour every day.
I like how James accidentally admits that the Babylonian creation myth was closer to truth than his preferred myth was.
Except that’s not even true.
Yeah that's not what he was saying at all
@@Justjay114 Not intentionally but he is still saying it.
James is such a strange, sad man so fully unable to understand anything outside his very narrow view of existence. I wonder what process leads someone to become so self obsessed in their beliefs they abandon every bit of education they gained to get into the position they are in.
The incapability and refusal to adapt his particular theology. He has emotionally invested too much in it.
The type of uniquely zealous version of religion that takes place in America.
The scene of him sitting at the dinner table surrounded by academically brilliant people is priceless. He looks like a child surrounded by grownups having an adult conversation. He is way out of his league. 😂😂
At this point I'm convinced that getting publicly humiliated is James' 'thing'
There is a lot of behavior I see where that is the only logical explanation I can give myself to achieve mental peace.
Persecution complex is a creationist's trademark fetish.
If you go to his posting of the event, you'll see thousands of Christian comments about how "proud" they are of James.
They think he dominated Lee and "won" the debate. The best one was: "James talked science. Lee talked religion."
Haha, it's obvious that the more James gets trashed by scientists, the more he gets support of his following. So it's more profitable for James to carry on with his mission.
Cuck
@@michaelsbeverly Religious people using the word religion as a negative connotation is by far one of the most hilarious pieces of irony ever.
Lee Cronin is very well spoken and I find it great how he dealt with Tour's BS.
The intelligence gap between the two is insane.
@@eliasroflchopper3006 not to mention the gap in temper and insanity
The absolute best dunk in the entire video is at 55:38 when Jim says, "... it couldn't be all bad.." and the physicist lady says, "It- it could, yeah.." and everyone ignores that hilarious jab😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lord have mercy
We know from decades of robust research that we are definitely not “clueless” about the origin of life. James claiming otherwise is tantamount to declaring the earth flat, the laws of gravity debatable, and the periodic table in chemistry a fraud.
Didn't James throw a challenge for a group of scientists which included Lee Cronin? And when he finally got Lee face to face he apologized?
Yeah... That's what we all thought...
All good points, Prof. Dave, but you failed to respond to "Dr." Tour's central claim from your debate, which was, and I quote:
"AHHHHH! MR. FARINA!!! AHHHH!"
Checkmate, Prof. Dave.
Yeah, dave is done and should be exiled
All while waving a piece of chalk between him and the blackboard
Lol but dont forget in those AHHHHHHHHH!s God is in the gaps! Tour is a dangerous fool
You're forgetting, "CLUELESS!!!!"
@@hendyrulzYou mock him like ur not blindly following the faith of this dude whos bird feeding the info to you. Dave is like tours god to you
the round table conversation was so hard to watch. I almost, almost, felt bad for this guy.
Did Tour really get an invite to speak at an event by Dr. Lee Cronin and the proceed to call Dr. Cronin's work garbage? 😧
Yup. I believe it was a conspiracy. Cronin and co. planned to teach Jimmy Thinner Than Thong a harsh lesson. And they did. While watching this video I constantly haf to remind myself what an awful liar he is, or I would have pitied him.
Just listening to James as a layman is a pain. I can only imagine what it feels like for someone who actually understands the research and whatnot.
It's bewildering, because many of his points are basically those of layman creationists, and you would expect someone in his position to know better.
It was honestly baffling to me hearing Tour basically saying that functionality space is the inverse of sequence space of any biopolymer. (Aka "of every functional enzyme there exists only one functional version")
It's painful and laughable at the same time. Like piles.
I must admit, I burst out laughing at his "the molecules in my mind are fighting against moving toward life" (15:25). So he's backing his opinion up with not just ascribing agency to prebiotic molecules, but a goal of not becoming life, and that's his excuse for claiming they wouldn't do it.
With this view of molecules as cartoon characters, I'm reminded of much better media like "Il était une fois... la Vie".
I am not a layperson on these topics and I kind of have to calm myself and let it go, and make sure I am taking my meds on time, in order to cope with the world in which these sorts of people exist.
Honestly I don’t find it that annoying anymore. He clearly knows he’s saying absolute horseshit, so there’s just no reason to try and prove him wrong. All that really achieves is giving him more attention like he wants
Oh god. I'm embarrassed watching Tour talking to educated people. How does he not feel it?
I think he feels it, he seems uncomfortable for much of the event. But he also knew that his clueless followers would end up applauding his verbal tapdancing no matter how ridiculous he seemed to the educated people at the event, so I guess it was worth it for him.
Narcissism is a helluva drug. Despite his closing remarks, I can almost guarantee you James walked out of there thinking that he is right and everyone else there is wrong. That’s what it does to you
I feel physical pain.
@@jackhouse1618 I got the same feeling. He looks really on edge.
RIGHT?! I want to curl into a ball just thinking about it!
Wonderful standup comedy collab with real scientists! glad to see that james is getting some real scientists up there to increase the amount of laughter
This video feels so good to watch. A round table of scientists calling him out on his shit
Tour at the round table...like watching a homeowner trying to explain how a boiler works to a group of qualified gas engineers.
Or like a little kid at the small table during Thanksgiving while the grown ups talk on the dinner table
...a table so small, there was only one seat...@@cuddlecakes7153
What an awful analogy
Seeing him at the round table was the best part of the video 😂. It was an excellent illustration of how far from being part of scientific community he is. It is also now available for billions of people to watch and rewatch. I wonder if he understands at all the negative effects this event had on him.
I guess 86 ppl, and counting, reckon different @@michaeltudyk8660
Wow. The audacity to show up to an academic debate against an esteemed opponent and in a room full of other true academics and refer to well established, peer reviewed research as "nonsense and garbage (and) it's just so super duper complex and you just don't get it cuz god" is just... is there a word for this beyond ignorant? Ignoramus? I don't think I've ever used that word. I've had it in my reserves for James Tour.
Religious delusion.
the typical presumption of religious fundamentalists...mixed with a pinch of narcissism...the guy is the epitome of a religious dogmatists...you can clearly see where it would lead if such types established themselves in the field of science...a society has to be extremly wary of such types...exposing this guy really is a service to the community
The word you are looking for is dishonest
Narcissism is a hell of a personality trait. 😂
"Lee you're coming around" 😅😂
Lee's face - "Bitch you serious?"
James Tour deserves to be part of a psychological study analyzing the behavior of a narcissistic pathological liar in the wild.
Lee Cronin may not be a religious man but he has the patience of a saint, lol. Thanks for sharing this footage Dave, it's heartening to see sincere scientists discussing interesting findings and their implications. I hope some of Jim's followers find this and consider things carefully.
" I hope some of Jim's followers find this and consider things carefully." - They are all uneducated fools, so they don't understand anything of this.
@@freddan6fly Yeah, "hope" is really doing a lot of work there for sure. I guess what I really meant was that videos like this give people a window to reality just in case they're able and willing to look out, and I'm glad for that.
yea the last one's kinda impossible i'd say. most if not all of his followers are religious who are incapable of accepting the reality. as dave said the sole purpose of these people is to inject religious beliefs in science which they miserably fail at
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@@freddan6fly I've checked the comments on Tour's full video of this, and they're all glazing him up and pretending he actually destroyed Cronin. It's nothing new, comments of debate-related stuff will ALWAYS be biased towards the uploader, but always a little disappointing to see again.
Cronin is so effective in scolding James that even I started to feel a bit guilty by proximity 😅
W manderbolt
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@@brysonsteadham9029 mandelbrot* ? but yes big w
I've gotten used to this series that does more than poking fun at this clown. Soon enough we're going to have more episodes of James Tour being humiliated than the Simpsons!
Oh my god Dave is making merch out of James' stupidity, this really is becoming a marketable series like the Simpsons.
I read that as "James Tour humiliated by The Simpsons" and I am all here for that!
If Dave can make merch our of a lying charlatan, I say good for Dave. I say buy it and spread it around. Show just how much the DI and AIG lie and manipulate. I am a truck driver who really doesn't have any need to watch Dave's tutorial's but I still became a member just to watch him destroy charlatans and liars with plain and simple facts even I can understand. KEEP HITTING THEM HARD DAVE!!!
@@pheonixkahn I totally agree! We must not tolerate people like James and the fools at the DI, they must be countered at all costs.
Ooooh, this is fabulous!
Seeing him getting crapped on in such a manner is pure bliss.
I think the fact that everyone was very polite to him (which I appreciate very much) is why this must have been so humbling for him. By intentionally putting himself inside this bubble by making CZcams videos etc, he has created this world for himself where he is this warrior fighting against the aggressive dogma of the totalitarian scientific state. But because everyone is so polite and sensible and calm, even he can't pretend this fantasy world is real anymore. Lee even manages to turn the tables on him by portraying himself as very open to outside feedback while painting James as dogmatic. I think it's effective. Yes, he doesn't answer a single question and doesn't seem to say a lot of very interesting things (except for, of course, chirality-induced spin selectivity), but a humbling experience can be powerful. I can only hope he learns a little from this.
Unfortunately I doubt tour will change at all. When you are one of god's special people you know you are always right.😂
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@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 and money, dont forget money
"chirality-induced spin selectivity" must be a really dumb pointless thing given how often he goes back to it.
37:39 that guy interjecting that basically every person would be considered a miracle under the "it occured just once" definition is awesome
Philosophy used properly is a beautiful thing to watch.
The guy is Peter Kreeft, a popular Christian apologist and writer.
Ask any REAL scientist what they would do with a few billion dollars and their own lab and they will have an answer. I have never met the researcher that hasn't dreamt of where their research could go without financial boundaries.
My thoughts exactly. And probably every academic in the room held the same sentiment. Everyone there knew this guy is full of shit
I wasn't sure about her question... That's because Tour was probably loath to say he wouldn't put ANY of that money towards abiogenisis research as he would consider it a waste of time as it is a "SCAM".
@@jemborgbut he's already lying about everything, why not lie about this too? I tell you why: because he has no idea how to push this research forward. It's obvious.
@@eliasroflchopper3006 does he even believe in Evolution?
@@jemborg no and that's the point.
"if we cure cancer, nobody would go into it"
So we shouldn't solve the issue to keep cancer research attractive?
Wow. This guy is dumb on so many levels. He can't even think about those people then going to a field who is not solved? We don't need cancer or the origin of life to be "unsolved". There are enough mysteries in the universe we can learn about.
He was saying that if we say we've cured cancer, nobody would go into it, not if we actually cured it. But that's still nonsense. Nobody except a snake oil salesman would say we've cured cancer when we actually haven't.
Even if/when different cancers get cures or nearly cures through treatment, cancer research will never stop. It would belike stopping disease research after we discovered penicillin, being like oh well nothing more here shut it down. I hate people who claim the whole cancer ccure conspiracy
Did he seriously open with "the dictionary defines abiogenesis as..."
Seriously. We're going to get our definitions straight so we are all on the same page as to what we're referring to...? Where does this guy get off?
It's getting to the point where I almost feel sorry for him. He's so desperate to make an impact and he just falls on his face over and over 😂
He’s Sideshow Bob eternally stepping on the rake.
@@willy480able😂
I’d feel sorry for him, but he does it to himself. He could end it very quickly.
Same, but then I remember it’s self inflicted and willful science denial and then I don’t feel bad.
@ShonMardani nobody likes you
Lee adressing James directly at the round table was like a dad scolding his son. Holy shit James that was embarrasing
More like a dog owner scolding his dog.
Dave, I just watched your whole debate with Tour and came to this video. You are awesome.
Holy shit the philosopher literally got Tour to admit hes stupid, thats an INCREDIBLE feat???
imagine being invited to one of the most prestigious universities in the world and having everyone just look at you like you're lost yet still being delusional enough to believe that you really belong there
My worst nightmare. Hopefully not being a fraud will decrease my chances.
What's the opposite of imposter syndrome?
I'm pretty sure I'm looked at like that in school lol XD
@@gearwhizzIt's basically Dunning Kruger, eg total confidence in one's own ineptitude. Imposter syndrome in reverse.
Dunning kreuger effect@@gearwhizz
You ever just see a video's thumbnail and giggle like a goblin to yourself thinking "Oh yeah, this is gonna be so wonderfully _foul"?_
That was me seeing this.
What misadventure is our favourite Saturday morning cartoon villain Jim up to this time?
sometimes I think Dave is too mean. Then I watch what he covers and rethink my opinion.
😂
30:06 I don't know why, but this is so funny I literally had to laugh out loud, especially after your "Jesus daydream" comment xD
What surprises me is how God didn't pop up and defend Tour's talking points....probably too busy ignoring the middle east.
Or busy giving cancer and Aids to babies.
Thanks. Keep up your educational videos and care for truth. Kudos
This man is actually incapable of breaking away from his script of lies.
It's comedy.
OH but remember...only dumb youtuber's use a script, who said that...OH RIGHT...James Tour
The sunk cost fallacy can rob you blind, and its avarice knows no bounds.
I genuinely think Dr. Jimbo thinks he's being tested by his god and if he just stays the course he'll eventually come out the other side as some kind of hero/martyr.
Which is horrible (dear Jim's god please stop, Jim), and also amazing (dear Jim's god please never stop, Jim). Ahh, the duality of man. I hate science deniers and the damage they do, but man I sure do love laughing at them!
It's his sole gold mine vein. If he relinquished it, he's kaput.
Lol Dave I think I know how to captilise more on that youtube money, would be a click bait title "I have been wrong. I am a born again Christian."
Could be an endgame strat
The sad part is that at James' age, his fluid intelligence has crystallized, which has entombed his mind in an unintentional echo chamber. He will likely never seriously question the validity of his own beliefs- up to the day he dies. There's an alternate universe where someone confronted Tour about this when he was younger, and didn't have his bad ideas crystallized into his late adulthood.
I remember when i started learning other languages for fun, taking on three different languages at once for a challenge. I started getting confident and possibly even started falling victim to the dunning-kreuger effect for linguistics. Then i met someone studying linguistics at the local college. We had a fantastic conversation for about 3 minutes before i started feeling like James at the round table. It was a humbling experience, one of many i've had in my life, both physically and intellectually. I like that feeling personally. It shows me im on the road to education and am starting to gain a grasp of the concept. James is different, James likes to believe he is the bestest and smartest man. James is a narcissist, don't be like James.
I had that moment when learning sign language. But it motivated me to change my major because I wanted to *really* know how to sign
remember when tour said he would "destroy", "debunk", and debate all of the 10 researchers? Yea it's the other way round now. Can't even make it past the first hurdle.
Ooof, this was hard to watch. They dunked on him so much. If I was in James' place, I would need a year to recover from this.
Great video, thanks for the editing & analysis!
Imagine having the opportunity to sit down with people like that and just talk about what they're passionate about. It's such a shame that it's completely wasted on Tour.
Like the notion that a "top flat erfer" should be sent to space to see it for themselves, only to have them _still_ claim "CGI!! PSY-OP!!"
@@pureflix8086this. lmao, its pointless.
@@pureflix8086Yes....but that would still be *hilarious* to watch.
@@timm7617 sure... except scientists who actually work in the field(s) tour dismisses are shown here, bouncing him around like a beachball while tour quite literally sits there like a silent movie through most of it, only opening his mouth to get glassy-eyed about jesus to try to garner sympathy. 🤦🏻♂️
"Im sorry for interrupting you but I have ADD so I think its ok" savage shit 😂😂😂
He had no idea he was walking into an intervention!
What a top tier example of "a fish out of it's water" straight on the grill.
"My position has nothing to do with religion"
"I believe we will eventually find out how God did it"
that's another thing, isn't it, they are always indignant when you remind them of what they have been saying
Oh, man, seeing Tour get violently destroyed in a debate is fantastic but seeing him as a whipped dog while his far superiors stand around him and talk down to him in a lowkey condescending way is a totally different flavor of fantastic. 🤣 Great video!
Jesus, the Tour closing statement was one of the most embarrassing things I have ever seen, I almost died of cringe.
Just discovered your channel, no idea who these guys are or what they are talking about but damn, I am dying of second hand embarrassment for Jimbo...
I genuinely feel bad for Tour somehow. It must be so cool to be surrounded by people of such high intelligence, but at the same time, it's like being left out of the adult table as a kid during Thanksgiving.
What's tragic is lseeing a man who, surrounded by brilliant minds who are discovering new wonders, could be going to work each day excited and thrilled to hear of his colleagues new ideas. Instead, each new discovery and innovation must feel like a threat.
@@shinywarm6906 you put my thoughts into perfect words
47:07 Scientist: "but you don't think that's god, that's not one of the possibilities"
James: "Fundamentally, all things have been created by him and for him, so yes it is god, but-"
Scientist: "Oh."
By far my favorite part of the video 😅
the tone of that "oh" had me laughing for minutes, absolute queen
Oh...that was painful...but needeed
"The gift that keeps on giving."😅