Unfortunately a lot of my vids got deleted, due to obvious reasons. I'll reupload some of them in the future, and also new vids are coming. So stay tuned.
I mean you give proper analysis F1 and the organization just want every possible dollar god forbit someone like you making content out of it. Thank you for the awesome content.
Mercedes reliability advantage in late turbo hybrid era meant their overtake mode's were much more free to extract power from them. to the point Fia targeted them directly. Now engine must be tuned to race spec. only battery boost is allowed
Overtake mode is battery boost. The reason overtake mode isn't used as often is because it drains the battery much more quickly. In qualifying, the deployment the electrical boost (both MGU-H and K) is pre-mapped to deliver boost in certain section of the track. This is done to ensure battery last the entire lap. Overtake mode drains it in like, half a lap or less at full power, which is useless in qualifying. What you're thinking of is fuel trim. And that's called engine modes. Engine modes/fuel trim and still be changed during a race in case oddities in the engine sensors are detected but it should not increase power, merely change driveability.
@@edk1124 Not technically. They labeled the "Turbo hybrid era" 2014-2021... although using the same engines, we are currently in the "Ground effects" era
Now that last little note is new to me! Now it makes SO MUCH more sense why they're so much slower during racing instead of quali when it comes to times. I know the traffic during race also adjusts the times, but when they're all spread out, it all makes sense now!!!
the run the same ice engine maps in the race as qually so the difference in power is not as dramatic anymore. so as others have mentioned the slower speed is due to fuel weight and drivers managing their tires.
@@ewearpel9990 for CZcams videos I'd start with driving 4 answers. He's good. For books, I'd have to think longer. youtube.com/@d4a?si=xuaX9WSVX5BlCedS
@@seaalon138 Because having just a few words on screen for much longer than necessary is frustrating when you don't know how far to skip ahead. Cool vid tho.
Overtake deploys the max amount of electric power, it doesn't alter the engine power, that is done by engine mapping and engine mapping is determined on a race to race basis or if there is a substantial amount of wear or heat in the engine.
Doesn't overtake mode allow the exhaust gases to bypass thebturbo through the wastegate, so that there's lesser back pressure meaning maximum ICE power? It also means the MGU-H will have to spin the turbo.
@@Morgan-iv4yeYes, in two ways. IMO Verstappen wouldn’t have been champion in ‘21 without this rule change, which was aimed at curbing Mercedes’ dominance. And yes, it also means that teams don’t have as much ability to make up for poor aero concepts by just running their ICEs at max power for parts of the race and then dialing them back for others.
I'm curious how much the cars will let their drivers use the OT before de-rating the battery. Like if Bottas in this situation used the OT button a couple more times that lap, and ended up de-rating through the last sector (blanchimont into bus stop).
Valtteris overtake on eau rouge was already cool, but that he also has to think of this is next level. That's not an easy place to pass, let alone when you need to think about your exit speed and speed into kemmel.
Alot of heads-up drag cars have a similar button, but they usually call it a “scramble” button and use it to add more boost or nitrous oxide. It’s sort of like an overtake mode, or a hold the gap mode 😂
As always, a great analysis! But I hate the way the whole power unit works - F1 should be about using (almost) full power all the time, but those days are sadly gone 😢
But for season 2021 Mercedes had taken several times of 10 grid penalty for changing the internal combustion engine. I believe it was to allow Hamilton for running at near full power from after the summer break (was it Spa?) until Abu Dhabi.
Since 2022 season the party modes and overtake modes, ala merc 2021 interlagos monster is gone. They have to stick with a power mode on the icu. If it is for a whole weekend or they have some leaniency and need to keep that mode for a certain majority. The electric motors they have full control over which mode and power in the race but it is not as powerful as icu+ electrics in a overtake party mode. And less engines total also limits the use of party mode
@@Infigo96 yes, that's right with the ICE settings; the problem is the battery in general - it will never have enough capacity to give full power all the race and the energy will always have to be managed :( and there is also the matter of tyres. My point is that lapping ~5 seconds or more slower in the race than in quali is just ridiculous 🤷🏿
Fun fact: in the OFFICIAL F1 VIDEOGAME those two lights mean DRS is available and open, respectively! 😳 I admit I have been playing 2023 version a lot but still…
Pretty sure most PTP (push to pass) buttons in various race cars are hold buttons instead of toggle buttons. This ensures that the driver doesn't "misclick" and accidentally keep the ERS on full deploy. Race cars that have a PTP system usually have it on an ERS (hybrid) system - it controls the electrical output of the ERS system, it doesn't boost the ICE power as the poster claims.
Each team has its own OT button setup, so it differs by car. At least for McLaren, a single press will override the energy harvesting settings of the hybrid system, while a longer press will deploy energy and increase speed.
New to F1 - If the engine runs at full power for qualifying, does this mean typically the fastest lap times are in qualifying? As they conserve the battery throughout the entirety of the actual race?
they are faster in quali, before 2021 it was even more difference nowadays is mosty weight of the fuel (you have to do the full race on a full tank, quali is with minimal fuel) and tire management (in quali you don't do it so you go even faster). battery recharges under breacking (not only but mostly) so the battery recharges and can be deployed for extra power
So there is an obvious and easy fix, these cars are basically mobile computers, should be easy to program a certain amount of times both DRS and speed boost can be used in 1 race and also have the GPS in the cars regulate when and where these features can even be used. Or even easier and more fun to watch is get rid of all that crap and let the cars and drivers fully race again.
Imagine if F1 cars just ran at full power with engine that sounded amazing, had and were allowed to use the fuel to do so, allowed refueling, weighed 300 kilos less, and didn’t have garbage tires. Oh wait, that sounds like the 2000s. It was an amazing time.
Not quite, this button was working in a different manner in 2021. In 2021 what you saw was merc desperately finding the best engine they might have produced (remember that these are hand built, power differs from engine to engine). They have found the highest horsepower engine they could produce, ran it to it's limits because it only needed to run 3 races, then BAM, cheat mode activated for the Brasil race 😂😂
@@Jared_Barnesovertake does not always stay on. bottas didnt manually turn overtake off during his battle with hartley. when he had to brake going up eau rouge the overtake was automatically turned off.
If Bottas was smart, it would have been him who had slipstream on that straight. He could just kept behind and then get past again instead of "abusing" his engine for literally no need.
I never knew about an "overtake" mode. As a driver I'd be holding onto that button all the time. I dont want a neutered engine. Give me full power the entire time! Such a dumb idea.
So it's an rpm limiter? Still remember what Vettel said about the Renault engine that year, with other engines, you push the button, you get more power, with the Renault engine, you push the button, the engine shuts off.
@@Rose_Butterfly98 i don't think rev count as much as higher fuel usage and mapping of the engine and more power from the elecrtic engine. Never heard (in modern f1) of adding revs, usually those engines are alredy at the best between durability and peack power and ofc compressed af. doing something like 800 hp with a v6 that doesn't destroy itself is impressive isn't it? i suppouse thay cold have higher revs but does an engine like that last serval races?
@@russko118 the video said that the engine is normally rev limited to below the actual rev limiter and the button just lets it use full power. I used to think it was a boost from the hybrid system. But it didn't make so much sense why all the Renault engined cars at one point couldn't use it. It seems that whatever it did confused the ECU and shut the engine
Red Bull's Godly DRS vs Ferrari's miserable straight line speed: czcams.com/video/wDTg8otsk9s/video.html
I thought you got bored from CZcams. It was 2 months ago since your latest video.
This is way more accurate than I needed. I thought this was just a meme
Same. Awesome video tho 🤷♂️❤️
Meanwhile the overtake button in Latifi, Maldonado and Nissany(and some might argue Sargent deserves a spot in this club) are still new and untouched.
It's hard to use it when your out of the race by lap 2
Maldonado didn't need a overtake button to win a race with a williams 🐐
@@zeenu7651that's why he's called lord Maldonado
@@MangoIsLove55 I'd argue avocados are love too
@@CreakingJordans ??
Unfortunately a lot of my vids got deleted, due to obvious reasons.
I'll reupload some of them in the future, and also new vids are coming. So stay tuned.
Thanks. I enjoy your breakdowns and insights.
No worries!
probably because of the jazz music.
Thanks! Full support to you
I mean you give proper analysis F1 and the organization just want every possible dollar god forbit someone like you making content out of it. Thank you for the awesome content.
Mercedes reliability advantage in late turbo hybrid era meant their overtake mode's were much more free to extract power from them. to the point Fia targeted them directly. Now engine must be tuned to race spec. only battery boost is allowed
We are still on turbo hybrid era
Overtake mode is battery boost. The reason overtake mode isn't used as often is because it drains the battery much more quickly. In qualifying, the deployment the electrical boost (both MGU-H and K) is pre-mapped to deliver boost in certain section of the track. This is done to ensure battery last the entire lap. Overtake mode drains it in like, half a lap or less at full power, which is useless in qualifying.
What you're thinking of is fuel trim. And that's called engine modes. Engine modes/fuel trim and still be changed during a race in case oddities in the engine sensors are detected but it should not increase power, merely change driveability.
@@edk1124 Not technically. They labeled the "Turbo hybrid era" 2014-2021... although using the same engines, we are currently in the "Ground effects" era
Love these driving analysis videos that we get from you. Really awesome informative stuff.
This is actually a reupload
@@Bullii From where?
@@cahill22 I posted this vid last year and it got deleted, so I reuploaded it.
Now that last little note is new to me! Now it makes SO MUCH more sense why they're so much slower during racing instead of quali when it comes to times. I know the traffic during race also adjusts the times, but when they're all spread out, it all makes sense now!!!
The weight from the fuel makes a significant difference as well, 120kgs of fuel is an enormous difference from the quali fuel load
@@sanjeevnookala3694 Didn't think about THAT either!!
Also you have to keep in mind that they have to manage the tyres more in the race 😅
@@KonstantinosDoulias Haha! The things I don't think about. Of course as they're just gunning in Quali!
the run the same ice engine maps in the race as qually so the difference in power is not as dramatic anymore. so as others have mentioned the slower speed is due to fuel weight and drivers managing their tires.
As an automotive engineer, and sim racer, I liked this video a lot. Excellent.
do you know of any good ressources for the lay person to learn about automotive engineering?
@@ewearpel9990 for CZcams videos I'd start with driving 4 answers. He's good. For books, I'd have to think longer. youtube.com/@d4a?si=xuaX9WSVX5BlCedS
Welcome back.
I indeed had a sense of deja vu with this video, but the quality of your content Is so high that a second view Is not a waste of time.
Hey man, add a small timer or loading icon or progress bar, whatever is easier, when you're showing text for long periods.
Why?
I second this
Because we get nervous the text will disappear and we don't want to pause the video.
Hey man, just use the built in player controls
@@seaalon138 Because having just a few words on screen for much longer than necessary is frustrating when you don't know how far to skip ahead.
Cool vid tho.
Overtake deploys the max amount of electric power, it doesn't alter the engine power, that is done by engine mapping and engine mapping is determined on a race to race basis or if there is a substantial amount of wear or heat in the engine.
This is the case since 2021 ICE mode ban. Before that, ot button could also change the engine mapping like fuel mixture.
Doesn't overtake mode allow the exhaust gases to bypass thebturbo through the wastegate, so that there's lesser back pressure meaning maximum ICE power? It also means the MGU-H will have to spin the turbo.
@@yelistenerDo you think this could also have something to do with redbulls advantage since 2021?
@@Morgan-iv4yeYes, in two ways. IMO Verstappen wouldn’t have been champion in ‘21 without this rule change, which was aimed at curbing Mercedes’ dominance. And yes, it also means that teams don’t have as much ability to make up for poor aero concepts by just running their ICEs at max power for parts of the race and then dialing them back for others.
Damn the booster button in video game is real
Nos in real life here
That looks like so much fun, those are some incredible toys
Once again, informative upload, thank you
yelistener is back, i think i'm crying
Great overview and breakdown 👌
welcome back! we missed your videos!
@0:13 excellent vibes over this track!
THE Huh Duh Six Hungeos TRACK MATE
really clear analysis and explanation, thanks!
New sub...Learning alot from your videos..keep them coming.
I'm curious how much the cars will let their drivers use the OT before de-rating the battery. Like if Bottas in this situation used the OT button a couple more times that lap, and ended up de-rating through the last sector (blanchimont into bus stop).
Sublime, Yelistener. Just sublime
Nice to have you back!
Great video as always.
such a nice video, well explained and interesting
I love F1 but I literally need alot to learn about it, I thank your channel so much sir 🎉❤
When driver says "need more power" it could have literal meaning lol
I loved the music. Much better than listening to that awful engine noise. Thank you.
Valtteris overtake on eau rouge was already cool, but that he also has to think of this is next level. That's not an easy place to pass, let alone when you need to think about your exit speed and speed into kemmel.
do you have a video explaining what DRS does? i like the way youre videos are made.
Very interesting! Nice music on his radio too.
A piece of tape: INFINITE POOOOOOWEEER
Alot of heads-up drag cars have a similar button, but they usually call it a “scramble” button and use it to add more boost or nitrous oxide. It’s sort of like an overtake mode, or a hold the gap mode 😂
He's talking about KERS
Well Brendon Hartley is a name I haven't heard in a long time
Long time no see man.. i waiting for your video mate.
Missed you mate
very good and educational content
As always, a great analysis! But I hate the way the whole power unit works - F1 should be about using (almost) full power all the time, but those days are sadly gone 😢
3 engine per season made it impossible.
But for season 2021 Mercedes had taken several times of 10 grid penalty for changing the internal combustion engine. I believe it was to allow Hamilton for running at near full power from after the summer break (was it Spa?) until Abu Dhabi.
Since 2022 season the party modes and overtake modes, ala merc 2021 interlagos monster is gone. They have to stick with a power mode on the icu. If it is for a whole weekend or they have some leaniency and need to keep that mode for a certain majority.
The electric motors they have full control over which mode and power in the race but it is not as powerful as icu+ electrics in a overtake party mode.
And less engines total also limits the use of party mode
@@Infigo96 yes, that's right with the ICE settings; the problem is the battery in general - it will never have enough capacity to give full power all the race and the energy will always have to be managed :( and there is also the matter of tyres. My point is that lapping ~5 seconds or more slower in the race than in quali is just ridiculous 🤷🏿
@@SheetFiberBrazil
Such a great video. I think I learned a lot.
Now what I am only lacking of is an F1 car.
BROS BACK!!!!
Wow insane content👍🏻♥️
Great video
Thought I was watching Dankpods with this music for a second
Fun fact: in the OFFICIAL F1 VIDEOGAME those two lights mean DRS is available and open, respectively! 😳 I admit I have been playing 2023 version a lot but still…
Thanks for this video, I thought the Overtake button was the same as activating the DRS.
Nice to see F1 finally caught up to F-Zero.
YOU'VE GOT BOOST POWER
Don't you think it's for full battery power and draining as well?
I thought overtake button was mostly effective because of the hybrid system not the engine though?
Probably just a boost adjustment
Wow
Thanks for the explaination
using overtake mode right now btw
shit i never thought F1 was this technical. I thought it was just foot on the gas, shift gears and disappears!
Imagine having one of the most dominant F1 cars ever made and barely being able to overtake Hartley
What about press and hold, does it give out more power or it's just a separate way of activating by various teams?
some teams use press and hold some just use a simple button
Pretty sure most PTP (push to pass) buttons in various race cars are hold buttons instead of toggle buttons. This ensures that the driver doesn't "misclick" and accidentally keep the ERS on full deploy. Race cars that have a PTP system usually have it on an ERS (hybrid) system - it controls the electrical output of the ERS system, it doesn't boost the ICE power as the poster claims.
Each team has its own OT button setup, so it differs by car. At least for McLaren, a single press will override the energy harvesting settings of the hybrid system, while a longer press will deploy energy and increase speed.
Kind of insane that i just noticed Yelistener's prof pic is Anton Chigurh O_o
nice hearing the f1 car compared to the hurrdurr six hungeos by ol mate senny
Weird normally i use my gas pedal to determine how fast I would like to go and how much power I want it to use. Sounds overly complicated
Imagine if they have 1 more button for nitrous
i think “ERS” is basically nitrous?
Bro watch every detail 😂
I’m out here learnin
New to F1 - If the engine runs at full power for qualifying, does this mean typically the fastest lap times are in qualifying? As they conserve the battery throughout the entirety of the actual race?
they are faster in quali, before 2021 it was even more difference nowadays is mosty weight of the fuel (you have to do the full race on a full tank, quali is with minimal fuel) and tire management (in quali you don't do it so you go even faster). battery recharges under breacking (not only but mostly) so the battery recharges and can be deployed for extra power
@@russko118 Thank you for the detailed response, really interesting information. I hope you're having a great day :)
Re-upload?
Thanks for the upload I love your videos, please can you shorten the amount of time you leave the text onscreen, Thanks.
party mode era
Good choice of music; ever heard of dankpods?
So there is an obvious and easy fix, these cars are basically mobile computers, should be easy to program a certain amount of times both DRS and speed boost can be used in 1 race and also have the GPS in the cars regulate when and where these features can even be used. Or even easier and more fun to watch is get rid of all that crap and let the cars and drivers fully race again.
Imagine if F1 cars just ran at full power with engine that sounded amazing, had and were allowed to use the fuel to do so, allowed refueling, weighed 300 kilos less, and didn’t have garbage tires. Oh wait, that sounds like the 2000s. It was an amazing time.
😂
Then you get lower peak power or a grid full of DNFs.
Could that also be considered less predictability?@@Ovenman940
Awesome to see, and clearly explained. Background music REALLY sucks though.
On kemmel Bottas also use DRS. Overtake button can't give so much boost.
the button must've stuck in ON position for LH44 car back in Interlagos 2021
Not quite, this button was working in a different manner in 2021.
In 2021 what you saw was merc desperately finding the best engine they might have produced (remember that these are hand built, power differs from engine to engine).
They have found the highest horsepower engine they could produce, ran it to it's limits because it only needed to run 3 races, then BAM, cheat mode activated for the Brasil race 😂😂
FYI every team up and down the grid used overtake buttons, only merc did it better, so the FIA banned it...
Huh this vidéo exist before isn't it ?
Bro if I’m in formula 1 I will abuse the overtake button 😂 as long as it helps me win
i know i would have that button pressed every time i was on the straight
Watching this with the huh-duh six hungeos on
I'm not sure Latifi ever used this button. He probably has a button labeled CRASH😂😂😂
So it’s a boost button like a lot of more Arcady racing games has lol
More of unlocking the limiter than a boost but it does sounds rather cool
Never knew they had overtake buttons😂
seems like the button just moves the rev limiter up 700rpm or so
Does Lifting automatically disengage Overtake for all cars similar to braking disengages DRS?
Nope Overtake stays on unless the driver switches it off
@@Jared_Barnesovertake does not always stay on. bottas didnt manually turn overtake off during his battle with hartley. when he had to brake going up eau rouge the overtake was automatically turned off.
I would assume if you're not 100% on throttle it deactivates itself?
If I'm not wrong, pretty much all F1 teams use a hold button for overtake rather than a toggle.
If Bottas was smart, it would have been him who had slipstream on that straight. He could just kept behind and then get past again instead of "abusing" his engine for literally no need.
Isn't this a reupload? Cause I swear I thought you posted this a few months ago??
Check pinned comment.
@@yelistener oh ok that makes sense 👍🏾
Wearing a watch in the cockpit seems unsafe. :D
MEGA vid
Its just like overclocking your CPU!😂
Of course f1 has a turbo boost button
Real life glitch Fr
So F1 cars are V6 engines and they have a "go faster" button.
2 things i didnt know and never would have guessed. Interesting.
Isnt KERS a thing since 2009?
337 kph is 209 mph in freedom units 😮
The real ones know this music from DankPods
Hey...sometimes ok
Surprisngly, she spoke german to the interviewer and not to Toto
Why bottas' radio dude sounds like Jeff
Yelitsener bra where were ye bra?
In order to be "sustainable?" What's that supposed to mean? I thought they added that button as a gimmick otherwise no one would ever be able to pass.
Why can’t you just run a full powered engine
Edit: battery, got it
I never knew about an "overtake" mode. As a driver I'd be holding onto that button all the time. I dont want a neutered engine. Give me full power the entire time! Such a dumb idea.
So it's an rpm limiter?
Still remember what Vettel said about the Renault engine that year, with other engines, you push the button, you get more power, with the Renault engine, you push the button, the engine shuts off.
no, it adds power
@@russko118 yeah, by allowing the engine to rev higher
@@Rose_Butterfly98 i don't think rev count as much as higher fuel usage and mapping of the engine and more power from the elecrtic engine. Never heard (in modern f1) of adding revs, usually those engines are alredy at the best between durability and peack power and ofc compressed af. doing something like 800 hp with a v6 that doesn't destroy itself is impressive isn't it? i suppouse thay cold have higher revs but does an engine like that last serval races?
@@russko118 the video said that the engine is normally rev limited to below the actual rev limiter and the button just lets it use full power.
I used to think it was a boost from the hybrid system. But it didn't make so much sense why all the Renault engined cars at one point couldn't use it.
It seems that whatever it did confused the ECU and shut the engine
throttle control? nah button limiter fam