Jinnah, Creation of Pakistan,History of India and Hindutva Politics - Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy -
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- Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy comes back on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his new book, "Pakistan: Origins, Identity and Future" - on this podcast covering a wide range of topics Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy drops some bombshells about Jinnah, the Pakistani Identity, the Two Nation Theory, The History of the Sub-Continent and Hindutva Politics in India.
On this deep dive podcast, Dr. Hoodbhoy and I discuss the Pakistani Identity, the imposition of Urdu, Jinnah's vision for Pakistan, Myth-Making, the Ideology of Nations, the history of Hindus in the Sub-Continent, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and Land Reforms, and Dr. Hoodbhoy answers your questions.
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Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy is a Nuclear Physicist holding a PhD from MIT. He taught physics for nearly 50 years at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad and was a visiting professor at several US universities including University of Maryland, Carnegie Mellon University, and MIT. He is a sponsor of The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, a member of the Permanent Monitoring Panel of the World Federation of Scientists, and founder-director of the Eqbal Ahmad Centre for Public Education. Since 1988 he has headed Mashal Books in Lahore which translates books into Urdu for promoting modern thought, human rights, and women's rights. Last year he started The Black Hole, a community space in Islamabad sector G-11/3 for promoting science, art, and culture.
In 1968 Dr. Hoodbhoy won the Baker Award for Electronics, and in 1984 the Abdus Salam Prize for Mathematics. In 2003 he was awarded UNESCO's Kalinga Prize for the popularization of science. In 2010 Dr. Hoodbhoy received the Joseph A. Burton Award from the American Physical Society and the Jean Meyer Award from Tufts University. In 2011, he was included in the list of 100 most influential global thinkers by Foreign Policy magazine. During 2013-2017 he was an adviser to the United Nation’s Secretary General. In 2019 he received the honorary doctor of law degree from the University of British Columbia.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:10 The Creation of the Pakistani Identity and Provincialism
12:05 Jinnah as Governor-General and his vision for Pakistan.
23:45 Would things be different if Jinnah survived, Bengal, and Land Reforms
31:52 What is an Islamic State and Political Islam
38:47 Pervez Hoodbhoy’s plea to those looking to leave Pakistan by sea
39:55 What is Pakistan’s actual ideology, myth-making, parallels in America and Israel, and the war for cultural identity
53:20 Dissecting the desire to go back in history to justify being the first, naya India, destruction of temples and Mughal history
1:00:20 Fetishizing Arab identity as ours and Indian cultural pride, Pakistan’s need for change, and whether our polarization and economic problems are intertwined
1:07:44 Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: reformist or colonist; Allama Iqbal and his hate for the west
1:17:38 Writing a book on Pakistan’s history as a non-historian
1:26:49 Audience Questions - Zábava
Lots of the questions people asked Dr. Hoodbhoy are questions we have already discussed in the previous two podcasts:
1. Ideology of Pakistan and Corruption of HEC Exposed
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2. Religion, Science and Education
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3. Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy answers all your Questions and Controversies
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Pakistanis do not understand India and it’s mindset and make a false picture in their minds. All Hindus are happy with hindutva. Because hindutva is just a sanskritized name for Hinduism. What Hindus want is to preserve Indian native civilization that has emerged in the land of India. Any thing imported from outside and has been forcefully imposed on us would have to take backseat. We are not here to cherish Arab civilization or even western civilization, we are here to cherish and propagate Indian civilization. Only to the extent Muslim civilization has evolved on Indian land we are happy to own it. That means burqa which is Arabic clothing fashion will not get any encouragement and will resist its imposition.
Here is the rebuttal of some of his fallacies....😊
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Just got to know you are also a lawyer and visited NLU delhi, i am also from NLU. Dont need to read this plethora of comments from indians most of them dont know what they are talking about just read "india bharat and Pakistan" by jai sai deepak it will give you the comprehensive understanding of this side of the story (the hindu side). From which you can know what is the thinking behind all the comments from frustrated indians. A must read will broaden your horizon.
You had interviewed kushal mehra but that guy is a proper lobbyist you can feel it he is more for the money than the cause. You should interview j sai deepak his facts are on point a real intellectual. Will be a great episode
Today's rational Pakistani people are saying "Today's India is not Gandhi's India" now they stayed in Pakistan because they were born there , but those Muslims or people liked Gandhi's India in the time of independents they stayed in India they sported India, Gandhi's thought also Nehru's leadership
"Today's India is not Gandhi's India" say Pakistanis after breaking Gandhi's India
Exactly. Lol.
Gandhi's non-violent and weak India would have been perfect for Pakistan.
@@nashwa1206 Exactly so they could have killed as many kaffirs as they want with no retaliation from Hindu side.
@@nashwa1206 The same India broke Pakistan into two.
Because they are not able to break or challenge Modi's India 😀
So they romanticize about Nehru's India 🤭
If your source of truth is Romila Thapar the next stop will be quoting Zaid Hamid. 😂😂😂
@@Rajasthani710 in writing format it is actually not that old but in verbal format it is oldest ❤
@@Rajasthani710 don't live in dilemma brother.
@@deshraj.insta. not writing was biggest mistake in my opinion, and which became downfall of our civilization and nation in those times
@@kartikeykasniya6971 yes you are absolutely right because of not writing it down they are not same for long time
@@deshraj.insta. and it loses credibility
Duggal sahab says people didn't know whether they were Hindus or Muslims before the advent of the British. Then how come Jajiya was imposed only on Hindus 😂.
Correct this is the level of Pakistani education.. only religion no science no facts
Actually Hindus identified themselves as per their caste, Shiva, Baisnava or Vedantic or something else. Hindus didn’t call themselves Hindus perhaps he is right in a way.😊😊😊
@@AnirimaGhoshdoesn't matter what you call yourself. If you were a non-muslim, you were forced to pay Jaziya
@@amanxojha sure. History is full of invaders implementing rules and new tax structures on their invaded land. Cool
Sikhi or sikhism - is a dharmic panth. It is not outside the dharmic framework.
Dharmic framework, devised in the "mold of Christianity" Jeet Ji? 1. Nanak taken to his heavenly abode like Jesus? 2. Four JS's like four Christian Gospels? 3. Evolved after the death of Nanak like Christianity after the departure of Jesus? 4. Both were assumed as "Founder" posthumously? 5. Though founded (Christianity) by Saint Paul and (Sikhism) by Guru Gobind Singh and so on?
@@SaeedKhan-yh3ko - Read Gurugranth sahib. The sikh scripture. Moreover, you have a very superficial understanding of both Christianity and Sikhi.
1965 War: when an aggressive side does not achieve objective for why they started the war and it comes to a stalemate, attacker is considered a looser
@Football-Pundit 93000 surrender 😂. Still Pakistanis gather strength to comment about bravery of Indians.
What a bunch of looser are theses Pakistanis !!
@Football-Pundit don’t you understand English ?
@@2107Slashata kuch nahi bas cool ban Raha comment kar kar ke 😂
Objective achive nahi hue pakistan ke
On the other hand india successfully defended kashmir... captured more land than pakistan before giving it back
Aur ha..thodi dhang ki angrezi Sikh le....jobless lag raha..jo bot banke ₹2 kama Raha yt pe
@Football-Pundit kya be lawd**, har jagah terroristan ko defend kr reha comments me aur ye bol reha ki tu indian pandit h, hutiya kahi ke bot sala
@Football-Pundit never picked tf why were sending your people illegality to cause unrest in Jammu Kashmir
😂😂😂" Sanskrit zubaan Syria se hai". No matter how many times a Pakistani says that he/ she is liberal. Hatred for other cultures and kafir is constant. Good job Mr. Hoodboy.
This old man is also a real Islamist under the garb of a liberal.
It's not hatred for all kafirs. They certainly have no problem kissing white ass. Which they have done extraordinarily well for centuries. The problem is Hindus and Jews who have done so much better than themselves. When someone you look down upon is clearly doing so much better than you and whose rise is now unstoppable, while your destiny seems to be going into the toilet, the bitterness cannot be hidden
Agar sanskrit zubaan syria se hai to mai Andromeda galaxy se hu😅😅
Fool syria was a indianized land back then , and yes it is from that part of India , the South had Tamil
He could be mistaken but looking for hate in everything and everyword is very unhealthy and paranoid mindset
Pervez hoodbhoi is the perfect example of top tier pakistani tomfoolery
As a Indian I am proud about my culture and tradions
Problem of every Pakistani (irrespective of his education) is that they have an imaginary picture about India's religious structure. And no matter who comes in power it will remain same & progress of India will speed up no matter what you think.
Bro they saying Hindi originated in Syria Aryan invasion theory KO still inlog believe large hai😂 they never accept India's history.India me nationalism jyada hai bholthe they didnt know what is nationalism 😂😂😂
Some one rightly said: "hypocrisy ki bhi seema hoti hai"
On what basis are you predicting future? Commenting anything random on CZcams doesn’t necessarily make it true!
@@jibinjoseph6952 Literally no credible Historian outside of Hindu nationalists subscribe to the "Out of India" theory. You're no different from a delusional flat earther.
*bro, in india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts because they have to maintain secrecy regarding nuclear power & also against indian laws to reveal them in public. They are scientists not professors. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now you learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. we don't have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
Thank you Jinnah. India owes him a huge debt of gratitude.
Well I respect jinnah who took these zombies there😂😂
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
Do you know that Hinduism, Santhana Dharma, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi language, Bharat were all invented after the late 19th century Birtish era?
Am grateful for him for taking so many idiots to the western side, but he left many behind so I am still pissed lol
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But the truth is in your face. You don't have a freedom to question your religious establishment with a fake venir of chuckularism. You can't have a podcast questioning the internet on Vedas or Vedic mathematics hoaxes ( forget about a public program) unless end up in jail. You are jealous and burning with rage with no option but to comment on Pakistani channels where you claim that 'idiots' always gather.
yes, some left in india. either make them realize what is written in quran and hadees or let them themselfs goto pakistan. i hope this will happen if arab contires start giving citizenship, hese zoombies will leave india.
49:50 cannot be any more wrong. i always love how lopsided pakistanis knowledge is about anything related to india.
Pakistani intellectual 🤡🤡
Yes bro❤
He was absolutely right. Hindu was a foreign term, and never, ever in use by those who followed Sanatan Dharma.
@@indrajitgupta3280communist dog spotted😂
@@indrajitgupta3280please go and read atharva veda ..then bark heree...in atharva veda there is reference of Hindu as hindavi and in whole vednata ther is reference of Hindu
Only a Pakistani can suggest Sanskrit is not indian
One eyed man is king in the land of the blind, that's Mr Hoodbhoy for you.
😀😀
@@mrgyani yaar Chup re libranduo.. Jake news paper fek logo ke ghar😂😂.. Yehi tum gawaro ka kaam hai..
Excellent desctiption of Mr Hoodobhoi. In India he would be regarded as a second rate intellectual.
@@squarecutatul6834 BECAUSE YOU HAVE INTELLECTUALS LIKE ARNAB LOL
@@ali19231 Of course you'll consider Arnab as an intellectual... By Pakistani standards, he would be an Intellectual. 🤣🤣
Pakistanis often say - This (Modi's) India is not Gandhi's India.
Well, despite India of 1947 being Gandhi's India, Islamists still broke it to make Pakistan.
Why should India remain Gandhi's India? To get further broken?
Actually they have done a huge favor to india by separating themselves! They would have been better off in larger india and we are better off without them! It's too bitter for them to digest.
Even the worst to worst hindu rshtra which I dont support will let ahmadiyas practice their religion. On contrary we cant see them giving similar status to others in their country.
Point hai . Bhau ..😅😅
@@harshraj6798 these Pakistani have no clue what they are talking about
Gandhi was Secular. What is Modi?
On point ❤️
This interview was such a revelation... Thanks for getting me out of this delusion that Mr. hoodboy is a scholar....
Oh, sorry if your sentiments have been hurt
@@khurmiful It has nothing to do with sentiments... clear cut scientific overwhelming evidence that people are dismissing here due to their own identity crisis + blatant hindu hatred... The later i really don't care about... but about the former.. i pity you.
👌 except Tarek Fatah ji , all the others are biased in varying degrees .
cry more pussy pehly uthaty ho hoodboy ke aur ab jab usne bezzati ki toh gaand phat gai and i dont even like hoodboy chutiya
Exactly , I feel
Sorry for these so called intellectuals of Pakistan
Looking at these people there is no hope for Pakistan for long time .
People with the best intentions in pakistan cannot see Hindus without their islamist training. 'Haan mandir tode lekin itne jyaada nahi tode'.
Sad and disgusting.
sed
That is not Islamist training that is what you know after you read for yourself and research yourself rather than believing in the propaganda of Hindus, Muslims rulers of India could've seriously done a 100 times more damage to the native culture than they did
Muslims ruler in India was one of the most peaceful compared to Persia or Europe or North Africa
@@wasemoria5095Thats the propaganda crap fed to Pakistanis. The reality is Muslim rulers were never able to control whole of India and they destroyed temples, converted and killed millions which is an established fact. They failed to Islamise India because of the resistance they were facing in many regions within India and the arrival of British. The Muslim rule period was the worst as compared to the British. As a christian myself i haven't seen any Indian christian desperately trying to associate themselves with the British in religious lines and boast about ruling over hindus and past glory bs. But muslims are so desperate to associate themselves with invaders of the past which just exposes the indoctrined religious hate smh.
@@arjunverma-no4ow Muslim continuously ruled Northern India (UP, Bihar, and others areas surrounding them) for almost 700 years and there wasn't any major United front to fight them yet the majority of the population there is Hindu today how's that possible when in comparison a great civilization like persia became completely Muslims in 200 years or so, plus in your comments you said don't desrepect the people that laid down their lives for their people while you are doing the same by saying that Persians and Egyptian surrendered to save lives without any resistance while only Hindus fought isn't that also disrespectful
And you are seriously recommending a book against Muslims rule that was written by a Hindu/hindutva follower and want me to believe it 🤣
@@wasemoria5095 Pulitzer winning American historian Will Durant ~ "The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."
As soon as he said Romilla Thapar a 'historian' I knew where he will go
Marxist Historian 😂😂 Yudhishthira learnt from Ashoka as per her
You cannot compete with whatsapp history knowledge of a physicist and a comedian.(Romilla is a fraud historian with zero credibilty)
😂😂😂
@Football-Pundit yes a Marxist historian that's why I'm not surprised why Parvez did not mention Jiziya a tax levied on non muslim which was imposed during the Islamic rule as well as the buying and selling of non muslim S*x slaves which was permitted under sharia
😂😂😂 romilla thappad historian 😂😂😂😂😂 bhai mei has has kr mar jauga. Us chutiya orrat ko koi dimaz wala aadmi interview dekh li tho uski brain cell suicide kr le😂
55:47 sanskrit syria se aati hai joke of the century
Sanskrit first developed in northern Syria mitanni people were first that spoke Sanskrit they brought that language to India when they invaded India during the various Aryan invasions, but I bet you are also one of the people that cry about how Aryan invasion never happened 😂
The earliest carvings of a language closely related to Sanskrit were found in Syria
You are the only joke here who can't search/read anything and when told with the truth you can't digest it 😂
😂😂😂😂
Now-Sanskrit came from Syria After 50 years- butter chicken came from England to india.
There is one thing about India is that we have a cultural Pride. India did not try to erase the past. We feel proud of our past. India and Indians are proud of our culture as well. But that's not happening in Pakistan.
I feel left historian did tried to erase the history but it is in build in our society and blood it's not easy.
Mahabharata is not a fictional book.
@@george4vIogging Mahabharata sach mein hui thi?🤣
@@rajpatidar8214
100%
Muslim suffer from Stockholm syndrome …. Keep leaving in your lalaland .😂😂😂 hindu means sanatan dharma . So before your loved jihadi like Turks and Mughals came … we didn’t identify as Hindu but as sanatan dharma . Intellectual banana hai tumhey… but you have no intellect .
Hindutva is not religious phenomenon but cultural, social and ethenic phenomenon of the land which is situated between Indus river and Indian Ocean.
Pak people don't understand this
,They don't have such brain
eating gobar bhir phir culture howa
@@khairnaqvi2179 but drinking 🐪 urine is not... Because both 🐪 and mlesh came from god deserted Arabia.
@@khairnaqvi2179 better than being a desert cult
@@khairnaqvi2179 bhai , tujhe khud ko aata nahi mil raha doosre ko gyaan de raha. Hampe kuch na Mila to hame sarkar khana de degi Tera kya hoga kaalia ?
As an Indian I’m so deeply grateful that India’s constituent assembly was full of statesmen! And the head of the drafting committee Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar was in my understanding most spectacular of them all.
Buddha said - Dharmam sharnam gacchammi. Means seek refuge in Dharma. Buddhism is not a separate religion but rather a school of thought within dharmic framework and Buddha was the last famous preacher of that school of thought while the system itself predates buddha by many a millenia.
@Abhijeet Kundu - Buddha did say that. Buddha didn't smoke ganja. Buddha did meditation. Buddha said a lot of things. He never said he was a god, neither his followers consider him a god. Buddha didn't have anything to do with God or religion. Buddhism is not a religion.
50:12 sadly, his understanding of Indian culture is from a Marxist standpoint, they define Hinduism with sati , caste , Dalit , Brahmins etc. this is the exact problem the Abrahamic view of the world. Guys take a chill pill and try travelling to India , and see for yourself what unites us and what divides us.
And as far as tolerance in Pakistani society, minorities are at the charity, pity of the majority, in india the rights are enshrined in our constitution.
Right ❤
Constitution is nonsense what protect is your value same constitution and change demographic them I will see your constitution power
No need to invite them. Let them think what they want.
Apna nai sex slavery, pedophilia, loot, plunder, terrorism, grooming batayenge. Behaya logg.
India is way beyond your city state, bollywood and IPL. It's huge with over 1.4 billion people and has 100's of cultures, languages etc. There's' India where Uncles marry their nieces; India where rape is a festival; India where people buy cow dung and urine in lieu of medicines, soaps, etc; India where girls are married off to trees and dogs.
India is also listed among top 5 angry and racist countries and the reason is condition of labor class and lower castes within india.
Parvez Hoodbhoy speaking about Hindu culture... is similar to... a Maulvi talking about Science... 🤣🤣🤣
Ain't no way did bro call a Nuclear Physicist from MIT a maulvi 💀💀
@@ahmadhamzaalavi5992 a bro if a scientist talking about history so comparison is legit
There was no words like Hinduism, Sanathana Dharma, Bharat, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi before the 19th century British era. You guys don't know that even that.
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
@@hawkingdawking4572 What did you smoke today?
I am a fan of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy's open ideas; and being a student of theoretical physics and an engineer, I appreciate his scientific work and temper.
I would however with humility like to point factual inaccuracies in comments that were aired on this program by Dr. Hoodhbhoy and the host in this program; and would urge them to do some basic research.
The below writeup is written with spirit of scientific exchange and humility and appreciation to the genius of Dr. Hoodhbhoy. Hope that we would examine and review the same.
Sanskrit is as very much inherent to Indian Subcontinent. Yes, it may have a wider foot print; but the fact that it is very much inherent to Indian Subcontinent can be easily examined. Let's pick Hindi/Urdu for example.. " 1. tvam (Sanskrit)-->tum (Hindi/Urdu); 2. adya(Sanskrit)-->aaj (Hindi/Urdu) ; 3. bhavati (Sanskrit)--> hoti (Hindi/Urdu) 4. karoti ( Sanskrit)-> karta/karti (Hindi/Urdu).". I can go on and on. The evolution and intertwining of Indic languages ( including South Indian languages) from Sanskrit can be easily examined by a bit of Scientific study.
Now coming to the "supposedly exaggerated claims" of Scientific achievements of ancient Indian rishis and scholars. I would like to give just some simple examples. I would urge Dr. Hoodhbhoy to examine in a dispassionate way with scientific temper. 1. Ashtadhyayi of Panini--> This small book of 14 Maheshwara sutras ( look up table/data segment) and around 4000 rules ( the code segment). These consititute a context free generative grammar that is necessary and sufficient to generate/analyze Sanskrit. This is a masterpiece that can be appreciated by any scientific mind even with a cursory examination. No wonder that there is tremendous interest in Sanskrit with regards to Natural Language Processing
We can further look at works Chandas (prosody) example that of Pingala that incorporate combinatorics, number theory and generative functions.
The fact that ancient India had a tradition of serious mathematical and scientific research can be easily understood with some basic research of ancient Indian works and Sanskrit was the language used across Indian Subcontinient to exchange, convey and preserve scientific thought. Also extensive research was done in spirituality, philosophy-- Yoga/ Vedanta etc etc. Sanskrit works have preserved these thoughts for eternity. Learning and understanding a bit of Sanskrit unlocks the connect to ancient/medieval and contemporary India/ Indian cultures/ Indian languages and Indian knowledge base. One also gains understanding how all countries in Indian subcontinent (irrespective of the superficial cloaks of religion) and intrinsically tied even at an ideational level.
I would urge Dr. Hoodhbhoy, Mr. Ghias and all Indians and Pakistanis to do some basic study/research to uderstand their roots, theirown languages and their own land ( Indian Subcontinent/ Bharatavarsha) to know about themselves, the scientific work this land and its people have generated; and how the knowledge-base of the ancient India has been preserved thanks to Sanskrit language. This is not with a sense of false pride; but a genuine appreciation of human endeavor and high thoughts that this land --> Indian Subcontinent/ bharata varsha ( Mother India)-- irrespective of the modern borders has generated. We owe our due diligence and basic research to these accomplishments. Sanskrit language does offer a key to these accomplishments by our ancestors of ancient India.
Thank you i was actually searching for a valid argument critiquing hoodbhoy's claims, everyone else is just making fun of Pakistanis and resorting to whataboutism. Could you please also speak abt hindutva ideology, and if hoodbhoy's opinions on that are correct?
Recently I had my DNA analyzed by 23andMe and they told me that I am 77% North Indian (Uttar Pradesh) & Pakistani (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) 13% Central Asian (Afghanistan) 7.3% Bengali and Northeast Indian 2% African! I have 5th cousins all over Afghanistan Pakistan and India! As of now I found 3 5th cousins living in India, Prakash Kaur, Riteesh Reddy and Kshitij Saxena………😊
I think you wrongly mentioned name of your cousins
@@lusaka677 it’s not me, it’s the company which analyzed my DNA mentioned my 5th cousins and not only Hindus they mentioned but also Christians Sikhs and of course Muslims and the interesting thing they mentioned is that I am 0.1 % Ashkenazi Jew ……😊
@@lusaka677 Yes, for the sake of privacy, you should delete their names.
But still you want Gazwa-E-Hind to happen? Right?
@@AadityaVermaCS- ….that has already happened my dear cousin 😊
Prof. Sahab, critiquing hindutva won't help Pakistanis. If it has become somewhat of an issue in the last few years, it is mainly a delayed, eventual, and overdue reaction to the excesses by one of the other religious community. So introspection is required by Muslims of the subcontinent, especially the Pakistanis.
Just shows their insecurity. Remember we never saw this introspection from Pakistanis until they got into this economical mess. Good they are introspecting but it is all selective. Nobody can save Pakistanis and mainly Muslims. Whether they live in Pakistan or USA, they still have the same mindset. Islam first, everything else second.
Arey Karne Do Unko. 😀
Let them blame Hinutva and Modi for their problems 😊
They'll never solve their problems which is good for us 😀
@@juventus23 even if they leave islam but AIDS does not them abhrambic insecure Desi/Determintal slave .
@@baazinews1027 Yup! Aisi hi meethi-meethi bakchodiyan Talat Hussain karta tha 1999 mein, 2009 mein Hamid Mir karta tha, ab Syed Muzammil karta hai.
Correct, hindutva is just a reaction.
Thanks almighty Bangladesh has been saved from hybrid colonial setup of Pakistan in 1971. Otherwise Bangladesh would have been situation like as Baluchistan or Afghanistan. India and Russian government had a great role at that time
Bangladesh should be grateful to india.
Thanks Soviet union and India
It's not quite better in an autocratic leadership
Pak Army committed genocide of millions of Bengalis and raped 3 lakh Bengali womenfolk.
And it really hurt to see Bangladeshis still supporting 'brothers' pakistan..
Deep down Pervez Hoodbhoy is an Islamist, a true son of Jinnah
If romila thapar is historian than im a president of usa😂
The Arabs utilized the Indian cartographic system in which the northern hemisphere was considered to be the inhabited part of the earth and divided into nine parts. Its four geographical limits were djamakut in the east, rum in the west, Ceylon as the cupola (dome) and Sidpur.
Indians believed that the prime meridian passes through ujjain and calculated their longitudes from Ceylon. The Arabs adopted this idea of Ceylon's being the cupola of the earth but later mistakenly believed ujjain to be the cupola
So all of this was hindu influence on so called Islamic science.
So now you can see the difference between Pakistanis claims on great Pakistani civilization and hindutv claim on great indian hindu civilization.
You can't hold two of them on same page because hindu were one of the greatest civilization of all time which everyone excepts. Except the pakistani liberals and extremmist as well..
And the thing hindu didn't exist in ancient times claim by professor is not true the name hindu didn't existed but sanatan did existed.. That is what todays Hinduism and hindu are..
And another claim by hindutv which you mention is hum hamesha se thay..
You know what every religion say that they were always there.. You muslim as well says that Islam was always there in some form.. But the claim by muslim is factual incorrect. Everyone knows..
But the claim by hindutv people on existence of there from beginning is not like muslim.. It's in philosophical level.
That the concepts which Hinduism talks about was always there these are not invention.. These were the discovery.
And as the Hinduism real name is sanatan dharm which means eternal way of life not religion and the thing which always existed..
Now talk about the invaders where you sad every person is invaders in indian subcontinental.
That's not true.
But it is true that some hindus ancestors in India were outsiders not invaders.
They adapted this culture and the sanskrit language... They didn't demolished our temples and university and didn't impose their language on us. And didn't massacre millions in the name of religion. And didn't do something like selling our mothers sisters to mina bazar in lal qila. And mass rapping.. And imposing jaziya tax for being not from your religion.
So did you get your your answer the difference between and outsider and invaders..
Now demolition of hindu temples..
This so called liberal professor sad that they may have demolished a dozen temples or may be he sad two dozen..
You know what there were like thousands of hindu temples and jain temples and Buddhist temples..
Even I can give you more then two dozen temples which were destroy and now they are mosque. And you can google search on them as well..
So see this.

List Of Hindu Temples Converted To Mosques
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Islam has always erected a mosque on a temple or beside a temple.
LIST OF MOSQUES WHICH WERE BUILT AFTER DEMOLISHING THE HINDU TEMPLES
We give below, state-wise and district-wise, the particulars of Muslim monuments which stand on the sites and/or have been built with the materials of Hindu temples, and which we wish to recall as witnesses to the role of Islam as a religion and the character of Muslim rule in medieval India. The list is the result of a preliminary survey. Many more Muslim monuments await examination. Local traditions which have so far been ignored or neglected have to be tapped on a large scale. We have tried our best to be exact in respect of locations, names and dates of the monuments mentioned. Even so, some mistakes and confusions may have remained. It is not unoften that different sources provide different dates and names for the same monument. Many Muslim Babas are known by several names, which create confusion in identifying their mazãrs or dargãhs. Some districts have been renamed or newly, created and a place which was earlier under one district may have been included in another. We shall be grateful to readers who point out these mistakes so that they can be corrected in our major study. This is only a brief summary.
It should be kept in mind that the list below doesn’t include all the temples destroyed by Muslims and which were converted to mosques. The below is the list of mosques and Darghas where evidences exists of having been made after destroying the temples at
these locations. In many mosques, Muslim rulers were able to eradicate all signs of temples, and hence not given in below list.
Anyone is free to visit the below list of mosques and see the remnants and materials of Hindu temples used in their construction. Archaeological Survey of India should conduct an excavation of below mosques to find out more about the ancient temples in these
locations and possible mass graves around the mosque sites.
BIHAR:
BHAGALPUR DISTRICT
Bhagalpur
Dargãh of Hazrat Shãhbãz (1502). Temple site.
Masjid of Mujahidpur (1511-15). Temple site.
Dargãh of Makhdûm Shãh (1615). Temple site.
Champanagar
Several Mazãrs. On ruins of Jain temples.
Masjid (1491). Jain Temple site.
Masjid on the rock on the river bank. Temple site.
II. GAYA DISTRICT
Amthua
Masjid (1536). Temple site.
Gaya
Shãhî Masjid in Nadirganj (1617). Temple site.
Kako
Dargãh of Bîbî Kamãlo. Temple site.
III. MONGHYR DISTRICT
Amoljhori
Muslim Graveyard. VishNu Temple site.
Charuanwan
Masjid (1576). Temple site.
Kharagpur
Masjid (1656-57). Temple site.
Masjid (1695-96). Temple site.
Monghyr
Fort Gates. Temple materials used.
Dargãh of Shãh Nafa Chishtî (1497-98). Temple site.
IV. MUZAFFARPUR DISTRICT
Zaruha, MamûN-BhãNjã-kã-Mazãr. Temple materials used.
V. NALANDA DISTRICT
Biharsharif
Muslim capital built after destroying UdaNDapura which had a famous Buddhist Vihãra.
Most of the Muslim monuments were built on the site and from materials of temples. The following are some of them:
Dargãh of Makhdûmul Mulk Sharîfud-Dîn. (d. 1380).
BaDã Dargãh.
Chhotã Dargãh.
Bãrãdarî.
Dargãh of Shãh Fazlullãh GosãîN.
Mazãr of Malik Ibrãhim Bayyû on Pîr PahãDî.
Kabîriud-Dîn-kî-Masjid (1353).
Mazãr of Sayyid Muhammad Siwistãni.
Chhotã Takiyã containing the Mazãr of Shãh Dîwãn Abdul Wahhãb.
Dargãh of Shãh Qumais (1359-60).
Masjid in Chandpur Mahalla.
Jãmi Masjid in Paharpur Mahalla.
Parbati
, Dargãh of Hãjî Chandar or ChãNd Saudãgar. Temple materials used.
Shaikhupura
Dargãh of Shykh Sãhib. Temple materials used.
VI. PATNA DISTRICT
Hilsa
Dargãh of Shãh Jumman Madãrîyya (repaired in 1543). Temple site.
Masjid. (1604-05). Temple site.
Jana
Jãmi Masjid (1539). Temple site.
Kailvan
Dargãh and Masjid. Temple site. Maner
All Muslim monuments stand on temple sites. The following are prominent among them:
BaDã Dargãh of Sultãnul Makhdûm Shãh Yãhyã Manerî.
Dargãh of Makhdûm Daulat Shãh.
Jãmi Masjid.
Mazãr of Hãjî Nizãmud-Dîn.
Muhammadpur, Jãmi Masjid (1510-11). Temple site.
Patna
Patthar-kî-Masjid (1626). Temple materials used.
Begû Hajjãm-kî-Masjid (1510-11). Temple materials used.
Muslim Graveyard outside the Qiladari. On the ruins of Buddhist Vihãras.
Dargãh of Shãh Mîr Mansûr. On the ruins of a Buddhist Stûpa.
Dargãh of Shãh Arzãni. On the site of a Buddhist Vihãra.
Dargãh of Pîr Damariyã. On the site of a Buddhist Vihãra.
Mirza Mãsûm-kî-Masjid (1605). Temple materials used.
Meetan Ghãt-kî-Masjid (1605). Temple site.
Katrã Masjid of Shãista Khãn. Temple site.
Khwãja Ambar Masjid (1688-89). Temple site.
Bãbuganj Masjid (1683-86). Temple site.
Sher-Shãhî Masjid near Purab Darwaza. Temple site.
Chamnî Ghãt-kî-Masjid. Temple site.
Phulwarisharif
Dargãh of Shãh Pashmînãposh. Temple site.
Dargãh of Minhãjud-Dîn Rastî. Temple site.
Dargãh of Lãl Miãn. Temple site.
Sangî Masjid (1549-50). Temple site.
VII. PURNEA DISTRICT
Hadaf
Jãmi Masjid. Temple site.
Puranea
Masjid in Keonlpura. Temple site.
VIII. SARAN DISTRICT
Chirand
Masjid (1503-04). Temple site.
Narhan
Jãmi Masjid. Temple site.
Tajpur-Basahi
Mazãr of Khwãja Bãdshãh. Temple materials used.
IX. SHAHABAD DISTRICT
Rohtasgarh
Masjid of Aurangzeb. Part of a temple converted.
And there were 200 temples converted to mosque list more but i CZcams comment section is not capable of talking this much writing
Great sir 👏
You have excellent knowledge about 2 religion and thier conflict.
But Pakistanio ko English smj me.nhi aati 😂😂
Beautifully written was going comment with same context
But you nailed it
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
well talking of the outsider thing all people and groups of peple who came to india eventually adopted our customns and tradition they directly enhanced our belives and traditions thus so much variety and cultural richness in India compared to some illitrates who came for plunder and only plunder employed persians and almost wiped every cultural asspect from north India and the hindi belt
Hoodbhoy is overrated paki intellectual,with microscopic knowledge of Hindu civilization n it's accomplishments in every field,he has contempt for his past.
India right now is not sanitising its history, but realising and reclaiming it - both the good and bad part of it. History that was deliberately hidden from Indians by Communists and Islamist historians. Babur, Aurangzeb is our history, but invaders/ tyrants who committed genocide of Hindus/Indians. Buddha is our history, Vedas is our history, Indus valley civilization is our history, shushrusha is our history ( yea one who did world 's ist rhinoplasty, might not be palatable for Pakistanis ) albeit a proud one.
You forgot South Indian and north east history
LOL, If indian govt was so serious about indian history, it would teach about what fa-hein, it-tsing megasthenes and al baruni wrote.
You are simply regurgitating indian propaganda. I can smell it from miles and it stinks .No need to deny it.
A lot of archeological studies are purposefully hidden and public attention distracted from,when it becomes impossible to hide. A lot of knowledge about ancient politics and ''religion'' and even migration is being intentionally obfuscated.
Not that pakistan is any better.
You seem like a kid. You have no idea of disgusting world of dirty dirty politics.
Recommend you read a lot, from different international sources and develop critical thinking ability to connect the links(most indians are taught to cram up subjects, while the most essential tool to survive in this new world--critical thinking denied. (Deliberate??--absolutely--to produce sheep).
Proud history?? Except for brief periods and scattered throughout the country(more proud parts being on the 4 corners of the india-N-S-E-W, rather than central-which had fewer instances) , most are MEH! nothing special. Happened all over the world.
This coming from an indian, who has studied almost all world history and politics and geopolitics -sans south east asia.
That's wishful thinking... The communist and islamists narrative is so WhatsApp.... Read actual history books!
@@ranand089 Not only that, north west is also ignored, ironic, since they bore the brunt of invasions, islamic and non-islamic
@Football-Pundit vedas is definitely history. Thats what forms the basic for Indic mindset. How a Hindu thinks.
Great podcast...however i would differ on the matter of hindutva.
1. Nehru's era the entire subcontinent was engrossed in gaining independence. They had taken away our sense of pride as individuals shaming us on our everything. After that the previous generations were just engrossed in building their lives and their children. We always knew our past but now we are celebrating it and taking pride in it....that pride that was taken away from us by the British...and not just us...the entire subcontinent.
Today we say with pride that yea we come from such a glorious and rich past and this is who we are.....but that dosent mean we're looking backwards.....we're moving forward into the future keeping that pride in our heart and knowing where and what we came from. And yea its been more active since PM modi came in power and so have our aspirations, ambitions and economic progress
Rahul gandhi cannot speak in hindi properly , bilawal bhutto cannot speak in urdu properly.....they're still hung on that colonial past where as we want to shed that and move forward with our pride as to who we were and are. ONE can never go ahead not knowing who they were
Non historians saste CZcamsr talk about history of India, Sanskrit 😅😅
To prof Hoodboy- Romila Thapar's version of history is also challenged these days by other historians....and claiming that 20-30 temples were destroyed by Muslim Rulers....I live in Central India.... I've visited more than 50 temples in my area with defaced idols that included hindu as well as Jain
Here is the rebuttal of some of his fallacies....😊
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MP has the biggest tribal population maybe they destroyed hindu temples
@@tushar4506 Just to clarify- I would not have claimed with that doubt in my mind.... I'm not talking about the region with a major tribal population...
At least in my personal visits I've not come across temple destruction narrative ( or reasoning)by tribals from locals or guides
@@tushar4506 and sorry to hear this from you as "may be" used as alternative reasoning - now I've not even used the claim by some historian that ~30000 temples destroyed during 1200 to 1800 CE( simple Google search can give you the reference). I gave my personal experience of heritage sites with defaced idols do have dating of when they made and destroyed
@@tushar4506 In no way I'm contesting that.... and I'm not interested in is equal to type argument
in India the term ' andhbhakt , has been coined for the people who wants uniform civil code, equal education , ban triple talaq and against sariya law .
Ya even BR ambedkar ji wanted this all
andhbhakt are those who support Brij Bhushan molesting women
You forgot hindu rashtra..
@@prb392 If hindu raj becomes a fact it will be the greatest calamity of this country, no matter what hindus say Hinduism is a menace to equality, liberty and fraternity. At any cost hindu raj must be stopped- Dr BR Ambedkar.
@@mrgyani Hindu rashtra cannot be defined properly by any bjp or rss supporters..it is just an overused political term devoid of any significance
Pakistani’s favorite historian is ROMILLA THAPAR. some great quote by ROMILLA thapar
“ yudhisthir (Mahabharata) learnt from Samrat Ashoka (Maurya empire)
“ sanatan dharmic religion come from Middle East”
“Hinduism started after Buddhism”
“Siddharth Gautama was born in modern day China”
Lol no doubt Pakistanis are way smarter about history
What is the name of the book and how can we buy it? Is its pdf available online?
Dr Hoodbhoy Sir here is quoting Romila thapar.
The great "Historian" of ancient indian history who cant read and write Sanskrit, Tamil,Pali etc the languages which has most manuscript of ancient india.😅
*In india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts in general. They are scientists not professors like hoodboy. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became film directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now they learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. HINDUISM does not have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
@@YuvaKishore242 like which one give examples I m curious to know about them??????
@@geetarani4596 for which you want examples
The condition of Pakistan today says all abt their religion and their tolerance level. First save poor Imran khan from Army
Shehzad, you are excellent. You have shown that Sir Pervez is not a Historian. He is a great Physicist, not a Historian!
@@baazinews1027 *In india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts in general. They are scientists not professors like hoodboy. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became film directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now they learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. HINDUISM does not have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
@@YuvaKishore242 😂 actually u Indians used to praise him alot, but now 😮
@@muhammadali7028 ho really 1.4bn indians praised him. Many in India doesn't even know who is he?
@@YuvaKishore242 😁😂
@@muhammadali7028 you are correct, and my Pakistani friend used to tell me that he too is biased.
Love for India
From Pakistan occupied Sindhudesh
Been looking forward to this for a very long time!
FYI Sushruta, The first ever plastic surgeon was indian
Just one comment as said by Sir..
That Pakistan started 1965 war by operation gibralter to take kashmir..
But in the end it was stelemate nd pakistan couldn't achieve any of its motive so technically India did win that war..
We actually acquired more land than Pakistan... We also occupied rann of Kutch .... The country which occupied more land wins .... India wins🇮🇳🇮🇳
The argument goes that Pakistan I think is taught that India wanted to take Lahore and was prevented which they are taught as their win. Depending on what you interpret as each sides goal you get who won and who lost tho most in the world have come to the conclusion India won as they protected Kashmir.
@@deepasmitlenka7682 No its not as simple as that.. It clearly depends on what you want to achive from that war, as you risking life of so many peoples..
Nd if you unable to achieve any of them then its a loss others things like loosing soldiers, land, assets are secondary..
@@anilkumar-fk8fc I think that everyone knows who started the war nd for what objective..
Its just pakistan never thought India will open a new front which is faar away from kashmir..
Also India troops came back cuz they thought are getting surrounded as they face very little resistance but it was sheer failure of pakistan to think that India won't open never front..
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My brother is a manager in Dubai and lot pakistanis work under him. I had asked my brother to get a copy yesterday and CANCELLED MY ORDER TODAY AFTER HEARING THIS INTERVIEW.
I've been watching Mr Hoodbhoy for 20 years now. He's one of my favourite speakers. Very intelligent & articulated man.
Lol ...he quoted romila Thapar😂😂😂‼️ even Syed muzzamil has similar knowledge 😂😂😂‼️‼️
Andhbhakt will get upset definitely...
But he's wrong about thapar
@@nikhildeshmukh6221 😂 just rethink who is actually a bhakt of whom. Your comment tells more about your bhakti of a political party.
chatukar, darbari 🤣
@@nikhildeshmukh6221 if u r giving someone a tag without debating....u r the andhbhakt in reality
what do you prefer whatsapp?
@@uknowguy3531 sure....if u can backup what u r claiming...‼️ Don't be a andh namazi of thapar
I like Pervez Sahab. His expertise is in Physics which I respect. However, his history can , at best, be described as amateurish . Sushruta from 600 BC is legit considered a pioneer in surgery in Western circles. No self-respecting Western Indo -European language expert would ever claim Sanskrit originated in Syria. Also historians who claim that Hindus destroyed buddhist temples fail to name even one such buddhist temple that was destroyed. There is simply no evidence of it. Whereas there are thousands of documented temples (Both hindu and buddhist) that can be specifically named that were destroyed by Turkic invaders including by Mughals (whom he so easily exonerates). History doesn’t seem to be his forte.
You are spot on.
I have commented about the literal same stuff.
Yea i wanted to say the same
Kingdoms such as Maurya, Kushan, Porus, Pirthviraj etc were from Northwest ( current Pakistan) and have always invaded, plundered, looted and killed ganga jamuna ( current India minus chinses burmese regions of so called Northeast India). They always had cultural and trade ties with central Asia but attacks towards ganga jamuna. India was created by the British and now you think that anyone outside these british created boundaries was an invader. Mauryans alone killed over 50 million ganga Jamnis. South Indians don't call themselves Hindus until Indra Gandhi bombed Tamil tigers who were openly protesting it. The term indoo ( Hindus) was coined by persians for people of Indus Sindh. Indus valley kings have destroyed and plundered temples, of South Indians. They have their own heroes, gods, cultures and languages. The hate Indus valley. Northeast India were chinese burmese regions conquered by the british. They have their own heroes, culture and religions. No wonder indian army is always deployed there to kill freedom fighters. NO media is allowed and even Indians need permit to visit Northeast India.
Someone tell this guy that the Royal Australian College of Surgeons in Melbourne has got Sushruta's statue installed there..ye bhi ab hindutva ki hi sazish hogi 🙃
Also the sanskrit that was found in Syria was the sanskrit of later Vedic period not the older Rigvedic one..as per him sanskrit Syria se india aa skti hai but india se Syria nhi ja skti..ig rather than just reading romila thappar and reiterating her words he needs to put some of his effort into his own research as well, how come a supposed historian trying to highlight sanskrit Syria connection doesn't know about the mittani kingdom where only the royal family used to speak sanskrit the general population didn't know sanskrit at all
Excellent scientific mind - opens up new venues for students of all ages, creeds, etc if the mind is not closed to learn from the experiences of others. Dr Hoodbhoy's declaration of his political tilt is very refreshing and makes me less despondent for the future. Thank you for enlightening us with the Dr's book, thoughts and opinions.
In the land of blind Muslim Pakistanis, one-eyed Hoodbhoy is king 😄 Indian liberandus be like, "might be one-eyed, par sabko ek ankh se to dekhta hai" 😅
I would highly recommend you to have podcast with Dr K K Mohammad (Archeologist) on Indian history including Hinduism
No that would mean for Parvez hoodboy to accept his misunderstanding. So he will search for a position from an Indian author that confirms his biases. This is the reality of intellectuals in Pakistan.
Also with Kerala Governor, I am forgetting his name
@@bbhusari Arif Mohammad Khan. Also recommend Amana and Khalid.
@@AKumar-co7oe
Yes, thanks but haven't heard of other two
@@7xr1e20ln8 and that author will be Romila Thapar
Can’t help the feeling that the professor is ignorant of India’s rich scientific and cultural legacy and also downplayed the destruction of Hindu heritage like the burning of Kalinga university or the destruction of many and not just a few temples. To this extent it was disappointing.
Can't help feeling that with ignorant people like you, the Sangh Parivar will always have a solid core of ignorant, ill-informed bhakts.
For your information, Kalinga University did not even exist before the 20th century.
For your further information, you are thinking of Nalanda University.
May the Heavens preserve India from Indians of this level of ignorance.
56:21
Sanskritham is very much from Indian Sub-continent Land.
Its evolutionary linguistic pattern which from early Brahmi to Post Rig Vedic , Palli , Paninian or even Classical Gandhara ( or even basic Shivagana Sanskritham ) shows how much the script and language was used and eventually assimilating and being alive in every single existential Indian Languages till today.
Self claimed Podcaster + Scientist doesn't have the ground level research despite having SINDH Geographical Land.
Sanskritham was used from Gandhara to Kanyakumari and even from Kashmir to today's Burma.
Even Tibet has been distinct Sanskrith however with Indian consonants attached.
Great podcast. In the future can you please add english captions? By that i mean urdu written in english.
I have huge respect for Mr Hoodbhoy, he is one of the most pragmatic voices coming out of the subcontinent. I have to admit I directly jumped to the India part and am compulsively reacting so apologies in advance. I am in complete agreement that there is a massive movement in India to revisit historical narratives and have a relook at the question What it means to be an Indian ? But the disdain and contempt with which this topic was dealt in the podcast comes out of share colonial hangover and wokeism. The attitude that all religious history is bogus and jo angrez bolke gaya usiko man ke chalo. Any progressive society would naturally want to have more clarity on where one has come from. With time we would be in a position to identify fantasies from truth and scientifically validate a more plural, representative and factually appropriate history. But to associate ill motive and brush everyone with the same colour is reflective of innate bias that many liberals across the world suffer from. Yes a Hindu did conduct plastic surgery much before it was done in the west, yes there are scriptures detailing out the design of flying planes called vimanshastras. At the same time it is true that lot of Indian uncles on whatsapp keep sharing posts that the world starts and ends with Hindus but a true liberal endeavour would never cancel the urge to explore the former with the stupidity of later. As far as benevolence of Muslim Rulers towards Hindus is considered Mrs Meenakshi Jain beautifully debunks various narratives in the podcast at Vaad another of my favourite podcast along with TPE:) here is the link please hear it and if possible bring her to ur show. Shezad bhai remember Indian subcontinent has a 4500-5000 year old history anyone talking in absolutes quoting Western researchers should always be looked with a sense of suspicion. I hope you will explore this area and not let this whitewashing of history be taken as a matter of fact.
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Whom You are trying to tell do you really think they are really our wellwisher you are living fool paradise and you are wasting your time
There are Bane Unjane
@@nishantshrivastav9368 I don't know nishant maybe don't listen to him, if any criticism is a threat to india then why are you here? Close your ears and live in your fantasies
From last 10 years I am listening watching to these pakistanis.. Watched everyone.. Cricketer to tv film actors actress veteran army chief intellectual everyone.. They just want to feel good by comparing with India.. They know they are actual aggressor who have killed hindu since centuries .. But they just want to satisfy their ego by taking Hindutava name.. Mostly can't pronounce the word hindutva..
They live in islamic nation and worry about india secularism but they never say let's make Pakistan secular country.. Why islamic? Here this shows their deep hatred for Hindus only..
@@mariarauf3280 same to you
If your facts are coming from Romila Thappar, then you have already lost the argument. Marxist Historian of India 😂😂
You hit the nail, Romila thapper is coward, rajiv malhotra called for debate in open forum. She hid like coward. These coward people thrive in Leftist eco-system like in JNU campus.
*In india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts in general. They are scientists not professors like hoodboy. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became film directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now they learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. HINDUISM does not have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
It seems pora podcast "Taway"p,e beth k dekha hai😂😂😂
Whqts losing the argument like ? Romila is arguably the best historian along with Chandra
@@1ahmed2 have you ever heard her in open form ? She is coward. Can she read Sanskrit? She can't but she is Sanskrit expert... Stop fooling.
@thepakistanexperience thank for this podcast, it was very honest and well produced! Being an Indian , it was an eye opener episode for me and looking forward to listen to your future podcasts.
🙌
Pakistan experience brushes past the hindu dharmic concepts in a rather superficial way and then extrapolate it conveniently. If you want a rather scientific and informative discussion on the topic, please invite prof. Dr. Subhash Kak and invite prof. Hoodbhoy to ask questions. Dr. Kak would end the debate once and for all and would enlighten you and the audience.
Exactly, lately I've been losing respect for Dr. Hoodbhoy's so called neutral, objective secularism. He seems to have the same tainted view of India according to Islamic mindset of anti Kafir, anti Hindu narrative. His deep seated inner hatred towards Hindus comes out when pushed. He's quoting western research that has no proper understanding of Hinduism, Islam, what happened on Indian soil in past few thousand years. He says Muslims only destroyed 3-4 Hindu temples. Why does he chose to lie? Everywhere in India one goes to visit Hindu monuments, even in Ellora, Hoyshala temples in deep Karnataka, you find beheaded statues, which happened during Islamic attacks in those regions. Besides, he says that Sanskrit language came from Syria. Such a huge lie. The complex grammar of classical Sanskrit was laid down by scholar monk, Panini. Did Panini come from Syria? Besides, Syria is not Indo -European region, whereas Sanskrit is well established that Sanskrit is an Indo European language.
I don't respect or disrespect people based on whether they agree or disagree with my own views.
56:00😂😂😂 Exactly for minute I thought they are intellectual 😂😂😂😂no they are pakistanis😂😂😂😂
As an Indian , I can only say that no one would like to captain a sinking ship . The youth of pak needs to take power in their hands .When the spark comes from there leaders mindset will automatically change . Jai Hind 🕉
Utho gaali Khao sutta Maro yt pe comments mai bajo Muth Maro match dekho Muth Maro khana khao hago so jao, - avg pak youth
Are you nuts? The Pakistani youths are more poisonous than the elders. They are the product of 75 years of fundamentalist indoctrination and injection of Hindu hatred.
@@anujthakkur4161 hahaha khud bhi yehi krta
avg stupid indian
Afterall all people east of Indus being indics / hindus is the definition of an Indian that hindutva believes in. And that people of this land should not eulogise invaders like Gauri,gazni, babur as their heroes. Apparently even "liberal muslims" seem to have an issue with that.
Arey Mere Pyaare Prithviraj Chauhan 😀
The way Dr sahab is speaking driving proudly and same destination has been designed by capabilities and capacity
Is this book available on Amazon?
1:03:15 Adani ne 100 billon$ ki chori ki hai ....
Bhai sab har cheez ko halwa smjh rkha hai 😂😂😂😂
Following points in response, regarding sanskrit, hindu planes, and Hindutva ( short for why don't they take it all lying down). All of the following points are verifiable.
1. The Prof. is probably talking about the Mittani empire (around 1500 BCE), which was ruled by Sanskrit speaking indo Aryans. The proof that a Sanskrit manual for horse rearing was found there does not mean it originated there. There is nothing before and after that.
2. Zoroastrian Avesta written in the Zend language (today's Iran) is very close phonetically to Sanskrit. (Run a search on the similarities, you will be surprised). Sanskrit is indo Aryan but using one sanskrit text found in Syria does not prove, it originated there when you have nothing else. Also since only the mittani elite spoke it, all the more reason that it was not local to the region. Also Indo European does not mean European. Lol.
3. Plastic surgeries are described in a book called Sushruta Samhita. (Ist millennium BCE) The professor just needs to google Sushruta. I mean the Royal Australian College of Surgeons in Melbourne has his statue attributing him as father of surgery. Doing on your research on this is easy but calling it fake is easier, I guess.
4. Nobody claims Indian scientists developed planes. But the idea has been discussed in Hindu religious thought. Few of our demi-god's were supposed to have some rides. Ramayana mentions a plane , vimana in Sanskrit, that Ravana used to ride, named Pushpak. But that's not attributed to normal humans.
5. The prof should look at bhaskara 1, bhaskara ll, aryabhatta, Mahavira, varahamihira. Look at what they were working on and when they were working on it. Also, just look at the Kerala School of Mathematics. Just google. None of this is fake news. Guess what they were not doing? Translating greek and roman work.
5. Hindus take pride in their history except it is actually their's (and yours). They also reform their culture and religion with time. You do not own the Indus Valley Civilization, the Takshashila University, Chanakya, Puru (Porus in Greek) and Basant but take pride in the borrowed names, attire, language, culture and value system. Taking pride in your own history and culture is different than taking pride in the borrowed history of your invaders, are different things and should not be compared.
6. Professor says India is improving in science but it is not America. Lol, what? Have some perspective, Prof. It can't be America in such a short time after 1000 years of colonization. We are on a journey and one day we will lead the world of business and science, that's the goal. If the prof does not like that, guess he will have to deal with it.
7. Savarkar wrote a book on Hindutva. Savarkar also said, I am a Hindu because you are a Muslim. Hindutva is a reactionary movement. If not for the Islamic invasions and subversion, Hindutva had no need. Hindutva has an external locus, is not expansionist outside the subcontinent, has no divine call behind it, all unlike Islam. The reason you see a large portion of the subcontinent still hindu after 700 years of Islamic rule is Hindutva. For context Persia was converted in 20 years.
8. About the Islamic rulers of India and their love for Hindus. They did what happened in Arabia 1400 years ago to Kaffirs. They did it with confidence when they could, citing sunnah. When they couldn't, they took it back as well. (See Maratha Empire 1759 , Sikh Empire and the jaat kingdom of Surajmal.
All in all, I would say that Hoodbhoy is a gem, criminally under-utilized by Pakistan in Physics and mathematics. I would always respect a scientist who went to the alma mater of the great Claude E Shannon. But butchered the job as far as Indian history is concerned.
The mittani elite spoke Vedic Sanskrit and not the commoners. Most likely there were migrants from India.
@@momobhai3792 Yes
@@momobhai3792 absolutely false ..even the commoners....infact there r instances where tribals correct a king on usage of sentence in Sanskrit ‼️
India's right wing was expecting more from you Mr. Hoodbhoy
Indian imposed Hindi even in South India but did not stop the development of regional languages. Slowly Hindi spread in the whole of india. Local cultures need to be encouraged.
India never imposed Hindi in south. It tried in 60s and it resulted into riots in Tamil Nadu. India never tried again.
In india, local language is the first language in every school. Then we get the choice to select second and third language
No English was imposed on North Indians
New theory form Bhikaristhan; Sanskrit is a Syrian language 😀😀😀
Madrasachap, check the recent archaeological evidence found in Sanuli and Hisar, Haryana, which dates back 4000 years.
Hindu Nationalism actually started after 1920 Moplah Massacre where Hindus in Kerala were Massacred because Muslims of the subcontinent wanted a Khilafat in Turkey. Even RSS was started in 1920s and it became hardline after the Moplah Massacre. Also I don't understand this obsession of Pakistanis with Nehru-Gandhi's socialist India which kept India shithole poor, gave up UNSC Permanent Seat, Lost land to China. Plus if they really loved Nehru's India so much why did they separate from Nehru and Gandhi's India? Lol. Modi was not even born during 1947. This is what happens when you only get news from your eco-chambers, completely devoid of opinions from the other side. Why not have a open minded discussion with someone from 'right' wing of India?
correctly said, feels good, when we counter them with facts
*In india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts in general. They are scientists not professors like hoodboy. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became film directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now they learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. HINDUISM does not have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
Well said
Tbh pakistani saying its not being Gandhis India anymore makes me angry.
Like you literally broke off the country in two from Gandhis India when that man almost begged you to not to do so.
And now you say it's not Gandhis India anymore, like F u morons, you lost your right to criticize India on religious harmony a long time ago
Because Modi like Jinnah won the H mind with non-stop religious propaganda, brainwashing and radicalization of the masses. From every medium, every channel, 24/7.
The same Muslim league had lost elections before Jinnah won the M mind with fear and panaroia against Hs. Just like Modi has won the H mind with fear and paranoia now.
Back then Hs had rejected hindutwa. But Ms had accepted Islamism. And the result is before us. Funny after 70yrs, you decide - let's become like Pakistan.
And the irony of equating economics with politics - RSS, Hindu orgs have been the most socialist, anti capitalist of all. The same bjp used to oppose GST when in opposition. They opposed FDI. And they were perfectly happy with British rule too.
Even today, economy is the last of their focus. Only one thing wins them wins them elections - hindutwa. And projecting Modi as a messiah - as 11th avatar of Lord Vishnu himself.
Pervez bhai and prof Ishtiyaq are arguably the best scholars pakistan have. Bahut mohabbat, Pervez bhai, Amritsar se. Podcast wale bhai sahab ka mujhe naam nahi pata since I'm new to the channel but this guy has immense potential, asks all the right and tough questions. Very articulate.
Shehzad interesting conversation, I respect the fact that you grilled Dr Hoodbhoy in the last parts of your interview......good effort and very brave of you.
Dr. Hoodbhoy needs to look at the history beyond Romila Thapar. I read Thapar in college, a lot of her theories got dismissed after Rakhigarhi excavations carbon dating. Her lack of knowledge of Sanskrit led to several flaws in her theorisation, which are available, another thing she is quite bad at is understanding geography for a holistic view of history, Land of 7 rivers and the ocean of churn by S. Sanyal give a different and more scientific perspective.
Another part Dr.Saab is quite ill-informed about is the Hindutva ideology or Hindutva politics. Either that or he chooses to present only a certain view. I respect him so I chose to believe the former
@@Jonydoe He is not ill informed, he just have his own biases and he reads only those who confirm his biases...Pakistan is like a batch of very mediocre students and among them anyone speaks little sense he is highlighted but in Indian standards would be just another biased uncle
@@Prashant-li8uw right..
@@Prashant-li8uw He is intentionally putting India and Hindus in bad light, otherwise uska lund poora cut jayega by labbaik labbaik crowd.
How did the carbon dating of the artifacts from Rakhigarhi dispelled Romilla Thapar works?
Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world (2500BCE) around 5000 years ago. It is 'older' than Islam (7th Century) and Pakistan (20th Century). Kashmir was predominantly ruled by Hindu kings until the 14th century when Islam (Mughal Empire) began to spread in the region.
So it's the oldest disease. Sarva Dharma ¢hutiyapa.
@@duhansingh772 Moorkh buddhi ke. Hindu naam ki Fake ID banayega aur logo ko asliyat ni pata chalegi?
@@duhansingh772 If one had to choose between syphilis and cancer. One would choose syphilis over cancer. 🙂
Bhai way beyond 5000 years itna purana tau Mahabharat ka yug bita hai way before Ramayan .Na jews thy na buddist na Christian na Sikh. In Pak sach mai chaman chutiye ha i am shocked k itna padha likha banda bhi oldest religion or civilization ko deny kr rha h
Islam is a curse to the modern society.
Humanity is above all religions, ❤️ from India . Interesting opinion of an educated Pakistani.
love for a jihadi islamist?
Shahzad you were par excellence in this podcast. Very well prepared questions.
❤
@@ThePakistanExperience ek achaa comment mila toh ❤️ de raha hai, ji Gail pad rahi hai woh kya?
Indians taking due pride in their ancient scriptures, culture, spiritual traditions , architectural achievements, governance system and so on is is definitely a very positive phenomenon . Professor sahab may be well aware of activities , research and monograms published by various Royal Aseatic Societies , scholarly contributions by dozen or more famous indologists like Max Muller and others ! Even the Discovery of India written by JL Nehru is also an work in revival of our ancient legacy . More so the couple of dozen Hindu Philosophers like Swami Vivekananda , Maharshi Dayanand , Jiddu Krishnmurti and so many in regional language have revived this spirit . Professor Saheb perhaps doesn't have enough time to take an insightful perspective ! Due to this shortcomings he has taken somewhat narrow view of Hindutva ! Still we can respect him for his scholarship and commitment to the society .
areee yee bhi jihadi hai
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
Do you know that Hinduism, Santhana Dharma, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi language, Bharat were all invented after the late 19th century Birtish era?
Bhai most of the people got their education from pakistani schools and you should already know what they teach in their books about Hindus
All that you mention have nothing to do with Hindutva. Hindutva was a very specific, very narrow concept proposed by an obscure Bengali philosopher, and promoted actively by the Hindu Mahasabha of Savarkar, and the RSS of Hedgewar. It has nothing to do with any of the others that you have mentioned, with the possible exception of Swami Vivekananda, that too as a matter of interpretation.
@@indrajitgupta3280 kid dont give your diffinition ok he is correct kid
One thing he is absolutely right about is that there is no future for Ahmadis in Pakistan. Nor for any other minority . Very sad!
Ahmedis are non Muslims according to constitution of Pakistan
Yes I agree but... Ye sab krne vale be.... Pakistani he hai.... Ap others par blame nhi kr skte.... Jo ap Hmesha se krte aaye ho....
Glad to u recognize ahmedis as minority nit aw muslims
Thank you very much Jinnah uncle. Otherwise this kind of non history oriented guys would be our top intellectuals. Dil se shukriya!
Finally some telling the theory is used to feel like thanks sir .I was not only one
There is a statue dedicated to the ancient Indian physician-surgeon Sushruta , at Royal Australian College of Surgeons in Melbourne. He is the first documented surgeon in the world and considered as Father of surgery and a pioneer of plastic surgery.
Coming to destruction of temples, you just have to temples in Karnataka every statue has the arms and limbs cut and nose chipped. Not only in India, if you go to turkey and Egypt you can see the Christian paintings underneath the Islamic paintings. Thousands of temples was destroyed or converted to mosques.
Converted Muslims hate their ancestors because of their Islamic ideology.
Plastic surgery was not invented by Shushruta.
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
Do you know that Hinduism, Santhana Dharma, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi language, Bharat were all invented after the late 19th century Birtish era?
@Malik Who said superiority? Your Dr Hoodbhoy completely dismissed an Indian historical figure because he is ignorant, so the previous commenter was just supplying additional information. Why do you have to get upset over it? And how does it matter if he had Buddhist or Greek influences? He was from Varanasi.... so definitely India.
Yeah there were also great thinkers from central Asia and Syria who contributed to our modern scientific knowledge like ibn-Sina and ibn al-Nafis.
Don't you think that Pervej Hoodbay has prejudice about Modi and Hindutva??
You are forgetting his comments on Pakistani leaders and Islamic politics.
@@ResponsibleCitizen001 pakistani leaders are well known idiot since the birth and it is documented things don't compare indian leaders with Pakistani
Beginning of the podcast would be explosive for common Pakistanis and for those who are patriots😅.
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From India, love the cast.... Very sane
So doing medical science in native language like Hindi etc is "khatrey ki nishani" 😂
Honestly the starting sentence has perfectly demonstrated the colonial mindset under which Pakistani jingoism and mixed fusion of military feudalism destroyed local history and youths of this country. Such a shame we are continuously watching this destruction, unable to raise our voices.
What happened to editing during last 10 mins ?
It's always nice to see and hear from 2 intellectuals from Pakistan. Prof. Hoodboy whom I consider a gift to South Asia, an honor to read his book or hear him.
I have few points to ponder, Sanskrit may have a different country of origin, like to know if you are aware off. Ramayan and Maha Bharat were written in Sanskrit so are many such epics. Ramayan was written by Valmiki between 400 and 350 BCE, consisting of 20,000 poems. Mahabharata written by Vyasa Mahamuni around 300 BCE with 100,000 verses, the longest epic poem ever written. If Sanskrit originated somewhere else they should have existed in that country of origin. Appreciate if Prof Hoodboy can enlighten us on that
Other comparison I object to was that of PM Modi with Pakistani worst dictator. Modi can never be Ziaul Haq, India can never become Pakistan, Hindu's are not Muslims.
Till few years back we thought that our history starts with Mughals and British people. Now we are getting more information about our true history and that is good actually for our future generations. We don’t want to be like Pakistanis whose history starts from 1947.
We are a country of rich culture and traditions.
You have no history. India was never United. The sub continent history is not solely your history.
@@UmerFarooq-lb2uy 😂go and brush up your mind with some knowledge, what do you know even know of Bharat! I really pity you guys as you all are getting educated from a wrong place!
Muurk......this land was known as Bharatvarsh or bharatakand. Wherever mahabharat, ramayana took place it is bharatakand. Wherever Sanskrit based languages are spoken it is bharatakand. Where Hindu Devi, Devata are worshipped it is bharatakand. That bharatakand ranges from kashmir to srilanka, kandahar to Bangladesh
@@mylord3003 wtf are you trying to say???
@@UmerFarooq-lb2uy 😂well you can't expect answers that pleases your narrative in your mindset.
Btw Hinduism is the oldest practising way of living life or religion in the world, that was prevalent in whole of India for almost 5000-8000 years approximately ( might be even older) except in north east
Romila Thapar he quoted 😂😂 even jokers don't use her book.
True
Only RW morons don't , they are happily to quote meenakshi jain, vikram sampath 🤣🤦♂.
Romila thapar, RC Guha, jadunath sarkar, Bipin chandra, Irfan habib are some great historian of india. I will name RC majmudar too.
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Only Tindu terrorists don't use her books despite the fact that even she glorifies the dark history of India.
Nonsense, she is a well respected historian. Just because you are a bhakt don't be a joker
Your Podcasts are really well versed. Though I may disagree with certain things here and there (Particularly in this video about Hindutva & India) but largely it shows reality of Pakistani perspective. I would love to See Hassan Nissar on your show
I have been seeing so many intelectual pak people like hoodboy sir, but only Hassan nisar & Hamid basani, Istiaque Ahmad is the best among them.
Each Episode makes me more logical n factual. Thank You for this 😊🙏
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Dr Pervez Hoodboy being so intellectual but still being ignorant is awful. I am 100% sure he didn't even researched about the first surgeon claim.
Just to make you clear the first surgeon reference is to "Sushruta" and he is considered to be the father of surgery by many.
So, Shezad the highly intellectual and intelligent beings you and Dr Pervez are I hope you will get familiar with word "ignorance".
No surgery all medicine aurveda, if ever fever, not take calpol or dolo eat ashwgandha with tulsi mix with cow dang. This cured lakhsman borther rama in Treta. write in charaksamhite. Gift Ayurveda India to world. No pracetamieol. only ashwgandha now eat. Bharat Jai!
*In india many scientists in ISRO, BARC, DRDO, etc work practically on nuclear physics. They don't come to Podcasts in general. They are scientists not professors like hoodboy. Even few FILM directors in India also studied nuclear physics, got gold medals became professors & later became film directors.*
*Hoodboy is just similar to a topper in a class of foolish Pakistanis. So indians are shocked to see him. So they praise him*
*Hoodboy is also brainwashed automatically being a Pakistani.Even Bhutto in 1965 used to call congress party as HINDU CONGRESS PARTY & accused it doing Muslim genocide. But Now they learned a sanskrit term HINDUTVA for English term HINDUISM. HINDUTVA=Hinduism.Meaning does not change if language changes. Ex: Japan is called Nihon in Japanese. Japan is for English speaking people & NIHON is for Japanese speaking people.*
*Basically Hinduism can't be compared with Islam. HINDUISM does not have concepts like KAFIR, JANNATH, JIHAD even if you take Hinduism to an extreme level. Pakistanis get happy by equating India with Pakistan & Hinduism with Islam. They drag India to their level.*
He is ignorant about history but when he talks about Islamic history & Philosophy(in which he is ignorant) you guys support him
@@mubasharmb1 I don't support his idea of the Islamic history or Philosophy. I just listen because I don't know much about this matter.
I can just point out about the facts and history I am familiar about and criticize him upon that.
idk but i noticed your voice shivering in start of convo😂
Anyway keep up the good work👍
He is meant to be one of the best intellectual in Pakistan.. and he is saying shit like "Sanskrit zabaan arbi se ha" " muslmaan se pehle hindu nhi the " "romila thapar bhut badi historian ha" "hindutva esa ha vesa ha " leaves you with no wonder that why pakistan is in this condition that it is in today lol .
Let me give you some example on hindu influence on so called islamic science.
The origin of the number zero and the place-value system notably falls into this period; its early use originates in Indian mathematics of the 5th century (Lokavibhaga), influencing Sassanid era Persian scholars during the 6th century
The sudden Islamic conquest of Persia in the 640s drove a wedge between the Mediterranean and Indian traditions, but scholarly transfer soon resumed, with translations of both Greek and Sanskrit works into Arabic during the 8th century. This triggered the flourishing of abbasid-era scholarship centered in Baghdad in the 9th century, and the eventual resumption of transmission to the west via Muslim Spain and Sicily by the 10th century.
There was continuing contact between Indian and Perso-Arabic scholarship during the 9th to 11th centuries while the Muslim conquest of India was temporarily halted. Al Biruni in the early 11th century traveled widely in India and became an important source of knowledge about India in the Islamic world during that time.[2]
With the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate in the 13th century, northern India fell under Perso-Arabic dominance and the native Sanskrit tradition fell into decline, while at about the same time the "Golden Age of Islam" of the Arab caliphates gave way to Turko-Mongol dominance, leading to the flourishing of a secondary "Golden Age" of Turko-Persian literary tradition during the 13th to 16th centuries, exemplified on either side of Timurid Persia by the Ottoman Empire in the west and the Mughal Empire in the east
The etymology of the word "sine" comes from the Latin mistranslation of the word jiba, which is an Arabic transliteration of the Sanskrit word for half the chord, jya-ardha.[7]
The sin and cos functions of trigonometry, were important mathematical concepts, imported from the Gupta period of Indian astronomy namely the jyā and koṭi-jyā functions via translation of texts like the Aryabhatiya and Surya Siddhanta, from Sanskrit to Arabic, and then from Arabic to Latin, and later to other European languages.
Al-Khowarizmi (ca. 840) contributed a work on algebra and an account of the Hindu-Arabic numerals including the use of zero as a place-holder...the history of early Hindu mathematics has always presented considerable problems for the West...it is still not possible to form a clear picture of either method or motivation in Hindu mathematics...this, together with the absence of any formalised proof structure, militated against continuous mathematical development...much of the Hindu approach to mathematics was certainly conveyed to western Europe through Arabs. The Algebraic method formerly considered to have been invented by Al Khowarizimi can now be seen to stem from Hindu sources. The place-value system involving the use of nine numerals and a zero as place-holder is undoubtedly of Hindu origin and its transmission to the West had a profound influence on the whole course of mathematics. [9]
As in the rest of mathematical science so in Trigonometry, were the Arabs pupils of the Hindus and still more of the Greeks, but not without important devices of their own.[10]
For over five hundred years Arabic writers and others continued to apply to works on arithmetic the name Indian.[11]
Another important early treatise that publicized decimal numbers was the Iranian mathematician and astronomer Kushyar ibn Labban's leading arithmetic book Kitab fi usul hisab al-hind (principals of Hindu reckoning).[12]
Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi a scholar in the Abbasid caliphate wrote al-Fusul fi al-Hisab al-Hindi ("chapters in Indian calculation") to address the difficulty in procedures for calculation from the Euclid's Elements and endorsed the use of Indian calculation. He highlighted its ease of use, speed, fewer requirements of memory and the focused scope on the subjec
Manka, an Indian physician at the court of Harun al-Rashid translated the Sushruta (the classical (Gupta-era) Sanskrit text on medicine) into Persian.
A large number of Sanskrit medical, pharmacological and toxicological texts were translated into Arabic under the patronage of Khalid, the vizier of Al-Mansur. Khalid was the son of a chief priest of a Buddhist monastery at Balkh. Some of his family was killed when the Arabs captured Balkh; others including Khalid survived by converting to Islam. They were to be known as the Barmakids of Baghdad who were fascinated by the new ideas from India. Indian medical knowledge was given a further boost under the Caliph Harun al Rashid (788-809) who ordered the translation of Susruta Samhita into Arabic.[15]
We know of Yahya ibn Khalid al Barmaki (805) as a patron of physicians and, specifically, of the translation of Hindu medical works into both Arabic and Persian. In all likelihood however, his activity took place in the orbit of the caliphate court in Iraq, where at the behest of Harun al Rashid (786-809), such books were translated into Arabic. Thus Khurasan and Transoxania were effectively bypassed in this transfer of learning from India to Islam, even though, undeniably the Barmakis cultural outlook owed something to their land of origin, northern Afghanistan, and Yahya al Barmaki's interest in medicine may have derived from no longer identifiable family tradition.[16]
The Caraka Saṃhitā was translated into Persian and subsequently into Arabic by Abd-Allah ibn Ali in the ninth century.[17]
Probably the first Islamic hospital (Bimaristan or Maristan) was established in Baghdad Yahya ibn Khalid ibn Barmak, tutor and subsequently vizier of Harun al-Rashid when the latter became Khalif in 786. Yahya ibn Khalid ibn Barmak's hospital, usually referred to as the Barmakid Hospital must have been established before 803, the year in which the Barmakid family fell from power. The hospital is mentioned in two places in the Fihrist which was written in 997. Ibn Dahn, Al Hindi, who administered the Bimaristan of the Barmak. He translated from the Indian language into Arabic. Yahya ibn Khalid ordered Mankah (Kankah), the Indian, to translate it (an Indian book of medicine) at the hospital to render it in the form of a compilation.[18]
Al-Razi's Al-Hawi (liber continens) of c. 900 is said to contain "much Indian knowledge" from texts such as the Susruta Samhita.[19]
The Indian geographical knowledge that was transmitted and influenced the Arabs included the view of Aryabhata that the apparent daily rotation of the heavens was caused by the rotation of the earth on its own axis, the idea that the proportion of land and sea on the surface of the earth was half and half and the land mass as being dome shaped and covered on all sides by water.
The Arabs utilized the Indian cartographic system in which the northern hemisphere was considered to be the inhabited part of the earth and divided into nine parts. Its four geographical limits were djamakut in the east, rum in the west, Ceylon as the cupola (dome) and Sidpur.
Indians believed that the prime meridian passes through ujjain and calculated their longitudes from Ceylon. The Arabs adopted this idea of Ceylon's being the cupola of the earth but later mistakenly believed ujjain to be the cupola
So all of this was hindu influence on so called Islamic science.
So now you can see the difference between Pakistanis claims on great Pakistani civilization and hindutv claim on great indian hindu civilization.
You can't hold two of them on same page because hindu were one of the greatest civilization of all time which everyone excepts. Except the pakistani liberals and extremmist as well..
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
Do you know that Hinduism, Santhana Dharma, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi language, Bharat were all invented after the late 19th century Birtish era?
Parvez hoodbhoy at best is a physics seeker.. but as a culture specialist or historian, he is not even mediocore.
That's because he doesn't buy your copy cat cultural grandeur claims.
Do you know the claims of Hindus like Rama sethu, Vimana Shasthra, Hanging pillar, Sanskrit in NASA, Dwaraka under sea, 5000 years of "civilization" are all proven fakes?
Do you know that Hinduism, Santhana Dharma, Hindu Rashtra, Hindi language, Bharat were all invented after the late 19th century Birtish era?
Out of all the TPEs episodes i've seen, Shehzad has had the best line of questioning in this one. Very pertinent & crucial questions. Well done SGS
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Very informative program.
"mandir tode lekin itne jyaada nahi tode' wah beta wah cha gaye tussi
Absolutely True, or ab tum hinduon Ka attitude Dekh k Dil karta hai k shayad ziada hi torne chahiye the
@@wasemoria5095 Bass karde, kuch bol dunga tou iz1m0fob!a ka r@nd! rona shuru kardega
@@Prashant-li8uw Nahi religion ko disrespect kie baghair Jo bolna hai bol
Mujhe batao kya tum Hindu ultranationalist or ethnocentric Nahi ho, mene toh AJ din Jin bhi hinduon SE online Baat Kari Hai saron ko delusional kism Ka superiority complex hota hai
Potential fascist log hote Hain
@@wasemoria5095 koshish toh tum jaahilon ne bahot kari thi but sabko kabar me bhi pahochaya gaya tha, dubara karoge iss baar poora mamla hi rafa dafa kar denge jo reh gaya tha pichli baar
@@wasemoria5095 "Absolutely True, or ab tum hinduon Ka attitude Dekh k Dil karta hai k shayad ziada hi torne chahiye the" isme religion ka disrepect tha kya bro?