The Indian History of the Pakistani Identity - Adeel Afzal - Actor/Writer -
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- Writer, Actor and Content Creator Adeel Afzal is comes back on the podcast to discuss the side of the Pakistani Identity we seldom like to discuss, from Bhagat Singh to Ranjit Singh, from Quaid e Azam to Nehru, from Balochistan to the Pakistan Project, on this deep dive podcast we get into the weeds of the Pakistani identity.
Why are we so afraid of our identity?
Who are these colonized babus who hate our DNA?
Why was Sir Syed awarded the title of Sir?
Watch on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
3:20 Indian Side of the Pakistani Identity
10:30 Who is scared of actual Pakistani History?
17:30 Balochistan
29:30 Hasan Nissar and Ganda DNA
34:00 Tipu Sultan, Indus and Hindus
40:00 Idea of Pakistan
44:30 Satire and Anwar Maqsood
48:00 Javed Chaudhry and Punjabiyo kee tehreek
55:00 Enforcing a singular Pakistani Identity
58:00 Babu Class and Sir Syed Ahmad Khan
1:07:50 Why do we not own Ranjit Singh?
1:14:17 Audience Questions - Zábava
Second part of this podcast up now:
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Bhai tum jo chij galt bolte ho unko right na kr sako to thoda search kr lo mahabharat or bharatvarsh kya tha kha tak tha
These priests (the Druids), Brahmins of India spread themselves widely through the northern regions of Asia even to Siberia itself, and gradually mingling with the great body of Celtic tribes (Kalatoya people to the south of Kashmir) pursued their journey to the extremity of Europe and finally established the Druid i.e. the Brahmin system of superstition in ancient Britain. This I contend was the first Oriental colony settled in these (British) islands”. (pp 246, Part 1, Vol. VI, 'Antiquities of India’).
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"The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture The very name Druid is composed of two Celtic word roots which have parallels in Sanskrit. Indeed, the root vid for knowledge, which also emerges in the Sanskrit word Veda, demonstrates the similarity. The Celtic root dru which means "immersion" also appears in Sanskrit. So a Druid was one immersed in knowledge." Peter Beresford Ellis - Historian and novelist.
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The Greeks were always speaking of India as the sacred territory of Dionysus and historians working under Alexander the Greek clearly mentions chronicles of the Puranas as sources of the myth of Dionysus." Alain Danielou - 1907-1994.
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“Is it not probable that the Brahmins were the first legislators of the earth, the first philosophers, the first theologians ? The Greeks, before the time of Pythagoras, travelled into India for instruction.”
~ Voltaire.
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Nearly all the philosophical and mathematical doctrines attributed to Pythagoras are derived from India. ~ Ludwig von Shroeder
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It is true that even across the Himalayan barrier India has sent to the West, such gifts as grammar and logic, philosophy, fables, hypnotism and chess, and above all numerals and the decimal system.” Will Durant - American Historian.
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The history of how Indian fairy tales and fables migrated from one country to another to nearly all the people of Europe and Asia and even to African tribes from their original home in India borders on the marvellous. It is not a case of single stories finding their way by way of mouth ..... from India to other countries but of whole Indian books becoming through the medium of translations the common property of the world .... many fairy tales current among the most various people can be traced to their original home in India - A.A.Macdonell".
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The oldest Greek writers, observes Sir William Jones, allow that their mythologies were not their own invention (As. Res. III. 467) ; and it is now certain that the early divinities and legends of Greece were the same that were possessed by their brethren in India. If Hegel calls the discovery of the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit the discovery of a new world, the same may be said with regard to the common origin of Greek and Sanskrit mythology “ The legends of the Old Testament - Thomas Lumisden Strange.
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Mark Twain, American author: "India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
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Will Durant, American historian: "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all".
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In the Vedic language we have the foundation, not only of the glowing legends of Hellas (Greece), but of the dark and sombre mythology of the Scandinavian and the Teuton" (Cox, Mythology of the Aryan Nations, I., 52, 53).
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Takshashila University
Taxila as it is called today, Takshashila University established around 2700 years ago was home to over 10500 students where the students from all across the world used to come to attain specialization in over 64 different fields of study like vedas, grammar, philosophy, ayurveda, agriculture, surgery, politics, archery, warfare, astronomy, commerce, futurology, music, dance, etc. Famous graduates of this university include the ones like Chanakya, Panini, Charaka, Vishnu Sharma, Jivaka, etc. This is the world’s oldest university.
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India - the land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas.
~ Wheeler Wilcox.
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Gravitation was known to the Indians before the birth of Newton. The system of blood circulation was discovered by them centuries before Harvey was heard of.
~ P. Johnstone
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"This is an attempt to show that the Druids were the priests of Oriental colonies who emigrated from India and were the introducers of the first or Cadmean system of letters and the builders of Stonehenge, of Carnac, and of other Cyclopean works in Asia and Europe”. Godfrey Higgins "The Celtic Druids”
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Grant Duff 1789 - 1858:
"Many of the advances in the sciences that we consider today to have been made in Europe, were in fact made in India centuries ago."
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“I take issue with the old school of thought that the cultural and civic life we Westerners enjoy originated in the works of Greek and Roman philosophers. Instead the mind and soul that inspired our words sprang from neither Greece nor Rome, but from an Indo/euro homeland located much further north. In truth according to my studies the history of we Westerners does not begin with the Greeks, we were invented along with the Greeks by Vedic poet seers through their mother tongue, Sanskrit, which evolved into Greek and Latin, which are simple phonetic variants of it.“ Franco Rendich - Indo/European etymology
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Each of the fifty letters in the Sanskrit alphabet corresponds to one of the fifty petals on chakras one through six, from the base of the spine to the brow. The sacred Vedic text known as the Upanishads describe the ability of advanced spiritual adepts to actually ‘see’ the letters on the petals of the chakras. When a Sanskrit mantra is uttered, the petals corresponding to the letters in the words of the mantra vibrate in spiritual resonance” Author - Thomas Ashley Farrand
Mahabharat race ki ladai thi 😂
@@yadavrupesh04😮
Bhai please ye bakwaas band karo.tumhe Indian history ke baare me kuch nahi pata hai.apni knowledge badhao phle.
Absolute madness starting 35:12:
1. Hindus celebrate local history way more than he thinks. Aryabhatta was from Pataliputra, or today Patna, Bihar. We named a rocket after him. Shankaracharya from Kerala, PM inaugurated a statue of him in south India. Sushruta from Varanasi, Charaka from Kashmir, are literally brand names for herbal medicines. Our languages have idioms around Kalidas, Chanakya and many others. It is you who have forgotten your ethnicity and culture. We own it because they live through us. You can't pretend we are the same in one statement and then talk about regional differences when we seek to own our culture. Even the deep south follows Panini's linguistic rules and epistomology.
2. Mahabharat was not a race war, it was fought between cousins. 🤦🥲
3. Marathas did not destroy, thier irregular forces called Pindaris who were Muslims sacked and damaged the Sringeri Math( monestary not the temple) as they were paid in loot on first contact. They did not know the place was religious. Marathas punished the Pindaris and sent back the loot. There was a restoration not a reconstruction. They are all reading from the same hymn sheet of the scroll article but will never read the Swarajya mag rebuttal which provides primary references.
4. Intentionally portray the cultural or linguistic identity as primary locus. How many wars were fought for a language or culture in India? Not even the most staunch Hindutva advocate calls India as a nation state under the suzerainity of Delhi or UP. It's a civilizational country like China with kingdoms that warred within it. Before the Hanification or China it was as decentralised as ancient India.
Thanks. Seriously pakis are intellectual too weak
Thank you. Sadly this comment will either be deleted, or be looked over by our fellow Indians
pakistani liberals are fake.
Well written. Let's hope they don't delete this comment 😅
Porkistani inside him woke up at this moment.
Effect of PORKY STUDIES curriculum😂.
We indians definitely own and are very proud of Maharaja ranjit singh...we have studied about him. Just coz bollywood hasnt made a film dosent mean he's not celebrated 😊
Yeh dono chumtiye ha, bina knowledge kay gyan peel rhay haa
I am proud to be pakistani Muslim..
Who is ranjit singh??
I didn't know him..
@@Farhan.717 maharaja of the sikh empire... which included punjab and areas around and kashmir. CZcams him.... he was a great king
@@sanzi8In the grand scheme of things, Ranjeet Singh was a small crockery, chota panda(lol meaning a very negligible item in history). He was the ruler of Punjab, a small domain of the kings( particularly Afghan Kings). Afghan kings used to donate the entire India to their subey dars. But, Ranjeet Singh is the only notable figure in Punjabi history, therefore they glorify him a lot.
@@S_Khan-1 lol ok. I think u should read a bit about him...or youtube it. I differ on this......But ur absolutely free to have your own opinion :)
Best part of being an Indian is that we allow everyone to own their identity of race, religion and language... In India it is ok to take pride in your own identity and we respect everyone's individuality without enforcing a singular identity...And at the same time we are proud to be Indians...Greatest example is our Indian cricket team which is a microcosm of India, we have players from different religions, communities, languages and cultures that play as a unit.....
False! Can any Muslim slaughter a cow in India which is culturally & religiously permissable in Islam?
You defined secularism ❤
Pakistan country boon for Bharat .This is win win for both Hindus and muslim but hate toward Bharat is not better for Pakistan.
tbh politics in your country deny that, i won't lie, you guys are doing a MUCH MUCH MUCH better job than us or even bangladesh when dealing with minorities, much more secular out of the 3 countries, but like politics bro, its so stupid i can't lie, even tough we all get into it, but tbh india is a infinitely better place for muslims to live in than hindus in pakistan. removing religion from the equation, the way you guys implemented a state system should have been implemented in pakistan, since each state has its own identity but for some reason our country wanted to that from us.
Earlier I used to love Pakistani serials and now I am fan of Pakistani podcast
And yes I own Aryabhatt, Bhagat Singh, Ganga Ram and many more who had roots in present day Pakistan even I have my roots in Pakistan, Haridwar Wale Pande could prove this
And thanks for telling all that none of Punjabi was there in any type of committee who divided Punjab into Indian Punjab and Pakistani Punjab
True about Haridwar. Saw entries there that go back many many generations in the Malakwal area.
Just a correction Aryabhatt was from patliputra
I bet more than 95 % people in Pakistan don't even know that the city ''Lahore'' is named after Lord Ram's Son, Luv.
And the city Kasur in Pakistan is named after Lord Ram's other son, Kush.
Mera Lahore wapas do
Even I (patil) sis not know this
I came to know from hasan nisar show
Gay r@ndi Sita❤
@@osamarehman3120 bhai number dilwa do uska
@@osamarehman3120 I can understand your frustration, especially on a day when your Mahaan Sultanon Ke Sultaan Imrraan Khhaan has been arrested for the 2nd time by your Property Dealing Fauj. 😀
That too on 5th August 😲
I hope that may your frustration never end. 😊
I am a Hindu Sindhi and my Naani told me Stories of how Muslim neighbours looted and murdered Hindus in Sindh. All of their lands and godowns were looted. They thought they will return back after sometime and hence gave keys to Muslim neighbours...those were horrible stories. Bharat maa took us with open arms.. Hindustan Zindabad, Bharat mata ke Jai..🇮🇳❤️
Why Hindustan Zindabad ???...At least be honest to yourself and proclaim Gangadesh Jindabad😅
@@rizwanhussain645 ganga, Sirf North me behta hai. We have south, west, north east, east. Isiliye hindustan. Tumlog pak word hata do instead. Suit nahi karta whatever country you have pe.
@@ritikshaw5868 Keep on barking Mandirchaap!!!
@@ritikshaw5868Bhai inkeliya India Matlab sirf Punjab kashmir aur Delhi hi hai
I think your naanis family might have some personal issues with the waderas and gundhas and that's why they left there are more than 3 millions hindus still living in sindh they never left they were loyal to their motherland other than you whom are called bhagorhas
I am not a Pakistani and also not a Muslim. I want to commend your channel for the bold, honest and unbiased discussions about Pakistan and its history. I had the impression that freedom of speech is not a fundamental right of Pakistani Citizens. Your channel and podcasts have disproved that. Please keep up the good work fearlessly. I am rooting for the continued growth and success of your channel.
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Yesterday I suddenly got recommended Mr. Salman rashid's podcast in this channel and since then I have already watched 4 videos here and continue to watch more.. I must say im surprised to come across such well read conversations here. Keep up the good work. From India.
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Am from Kerala, South India and similar to how Ranjit Singh is villian for Pakistani Muslim Punjabis here Tip Sultan is a villan who invaded Kerala, destroyed Temples & converted people. Our hero is Pazhassi Raja (If you haven't heard of him then google it up) who defended & fought against Tip Sultan & later on he was fought against East India company as well. Because back in the day for us Kannada speak Mysore King was as foreign as English speaking company.
I think History is very complicated & can not judge past based of recent situations. Btw surprised to hear you guys thinks Ranjit singh is not respected in India which is very untrue and there are roads named after him & songs made of him etc
Local customs and traditions vary & political unity might not have been there but there was always an overarching civilizational identity.
Kings like Tipu were not part of that civilization.
Tipu didn't fight with British for Country or for Hindus he fought to save his Islamic kingdom.
If you say this you will get a Sanghi pattam! The moppila rebellion is also a topic like this .
True. People from North Malabar only can tell the atrocities of Tipu Sultan. Heard from grandparents how their folks threw idols and gold into wells to escape Tipu s loot which were common . These Pakistanis know bits and pieces abd have the audacity to pass comments .
Wrong
In Indian history text book, Ranjit Singh as Sher e Punjab.
3 class me pra dete HH bhai...fir lgatar graduation krra hu abhi bhi pra re hh
@@threads1879bollocks. 2 paragraphs about maharaja. Don’t lie out of jingoism
@@ClubPunjabthat is unfortunately all we can afford to allocate in a subcontinent as large. I can equally complain about the lack of Mysore state which created HAL, IISc, India's first electrification project and most importantly the technical managerial class that created telecom and software booms.
@@ClubPunjab brother I don't lie ...I am student of history honours from dehradun India..In my college there is whole book about maharaja Ranjit Singh...Book name is maharaja Ranjit Singh ..and rise of Sikh Empire ... whole about military history of Punjab region....and the chapter about dara shikoh..and mohmmad bin kasim..are also in course book name is in which whole sindh region history are taught it was also in course
@@ClubPunjab and 1 more thing it not 2 paragraph about maharaja Ranjit Singh....in books....I still remeber when I am in 3 class whole chapter about Ranjit ...Singh it may be not well detail because I am in 3 class...but it is only chapter in my book about any warrior
Bhai, I am Bhagwat from India Pune City. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 1st time we heard by any Pakistani very honest history or Hindustan before partition. I pray to God bless him peace and prosperity to both countries people .
Lots of love from India
Informative!!! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Hats off to u both.
As Shivaji Maharaj is Chatrapati, Ranjit Singh is Sher a Punjab of India. This guy has the wrong impression that India doesn't own Raja Ranjit Singh, he is and always will be hero of Indian history 🙏🙏🙏🙏
You made so many films on Marathas. Why not do the same for Ranjit Singh?
@@High_101 yaar tum logo ki problem vahi he tum log Bollywood ko jada hi seriously lete ho.... movie bana di usese kuch nahi hota.... Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was not only king he is part of culture in western India particularly Maharashtra similarly Shere Punjab Ranjit Singh is an integral part of Punjab, actually he should be part of Pakistani Punjab but as he is Sikh and due to Sikh hatred they can't do it. One of the important point to mention about Ranjit Singh is that he was the one who brought back Somanth Temple gates from Afghanistan.
U Indians and Pakistani state are biggest blunders accept this. Don't you try to assimilate Maharaja ranjit singh with your Indian nationalism phukin fuddu people.
Eh hun Navi history lai k aa gya avdi vand chaunda kaun c. Haalat e aaiese bnaye gye. Te bnaye kihne angreja ne ethe gallan kadh lo nehru Gandhi te sardar Patel nu. Angrej bna te Pak saaf nve utthe ithaaskara ne. Chhaddya ki c palle angreja ne desh de ? Raaj angreja da c odo nehru da ni c marji v angreja d hi chalni c. Hun tkk tn ehi sunde aaye c v angreja ne desh parchar barbad krta vand karke pr pichle 3 ku saala to kr kr k lokan nu eh laggan laata v desh d vand vaste desh aap e jimmevar aw. Jive mrji kiti 500 riyast ikathi kitti sardar Patel ne fer Bharat bnya ja k. Eh tn baitha aein kahaniya sunai janda jive 47 de time punjab vich sare moorkh e ture firde c jinna nu avde nafe nuksan da pta e ni c. Ehna nu tn eh v bhulekha V 65 71 te kargil d Jung Pakistan jittya c.
You don't even know that Ranjit Singh was not a Raja (king), but a Maharaja (Emperor). That's some celebration of "your" hero.
You guys will never ever understand India. For you India is around Punjab, Delhi, Kashmir and all northern belts whereas India is all about North, South, East and West, full of differences, religion, food, thoughts and so on yet our heart beats for India
You are totally correct. Because I am first Punjabi than Hindu or Musalman and than Indian or Pakistani.
@@shahidkinnaredon’t think one can be anything above being Muslim but Hindu is a macro identity of micro identities such as Punjabi
Their entire narrative begins with Punjab and ends with UP and Bengal. And they sit and talk like experts on India. Bhai, ghanta aap ko kuch pata nahi Bharat ke baare mein na Hinduon ke baare mein.
They don’t even get the northwestern india properly …
Yes ye pak wala logic hi india pe lagate h 😂😂
The first thing I did after the first few minutes of listening to this video was clicking the subscribe icon. I do commenting very rare, here's one. I must say you both are very intelligent and well-read people. The pain was imminent in your discussion. Satire is the purest expression of innermost pain in amusing manner. In that, the host is top notch, the guest is great too.
I hope these wonderful videos will be made in future too.
These days its very rare to see young people like you talk so deeply on as controversial and confusing a subject as history. Kudos! Legendary Jaun Eliya would be very happy to see young people from both sides of border discussing such matters.
Loads of respect and love from India. Stay blessed and safe.
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How can we contact? Hopefully we can discuss good history. Because i have listen ur podcast that make sense
We do own Ranjit singh. We have studied about him in our curriculum. We even had a tv show dedicated to him and his illustrious legacy. Maharaja Ranjit Singh was, is and always will be our hero.
Don't be so good...we own him and his is ours ...not these converted ones
@@indic5007 lol I am a Pashtun from Peshawar (which is part of Pakistan last I checked). When you say 'we' own Ranjeet Singh, does it count me too? Should I be proud of Ranjeet Singh? For what exactly? Please give Pashtuns all those specific reasons to own Ranjeeth Singh.
@@hellofromabroad1431 yes he is yours also but u also know pakis can't and will not idolise him 😁.....many pashtun soldiers were in his army ....u pashtun were also in army of king hemu .....so my friend u r the one who forgot ur history and adopted the religion of invaders....and nowadays u guys also pretend to be a lost tribe fo Jews....shame 🤣🤣🤣.. fyi u can idolise him but ur religion doesn't permit it 😁..
So sorry'...but yes we Hindus, Sikhs and every other Indian who follows Sanatan Dharma owns him , idolises him and feels proud of him.....
@@indic5007 Are you a born ch00t$$ya or it happened because you fell a lot in your childhood??
@@hellofromabroad1431you don't need to be proud of him, no one is forcing you. Only Punjabis of Pakistan should be recognizing Maharaja Ranjit Singh, because he liberated their land from the pashtuns and afghans, who were doing atrocities from centuries.
U don’t know the beauty of carrying their own identity I am proud Kannadagia (From Karnataka) and still Proud Indian too irrespective of my religion!!!!!
Indeed, you've made an entirely valid point. I'm of Bengali heritage, and my family has maintained this lineage for thousands of years, even predating the formation of India. However, I identify as Indian and harbor a deep affection for my compatriots. While religion and nationality can shift, and our ethnicity is not something we can choose before birth, there is one constant: humanity. It is this unchanging aspect, our shared humanity, that I take the most pride in. I am proud, simply, of being human.
Same here , proud pahari(Uttarakhand) here and proud Indian too
India comes before my religion
Nana sahib😂
There is a deeper reason to it. Hinduism see truth as multilayered and hence, there is no conflict between multiple identities; just like a Hindu sees no conflict in worshipping multiple Gods. While Abrahmic religion insist on ONLY ONE TRUTH path, that creates identity conflicts.
Me tooo yayyy. Indian kannadiga with urdu mothertongue
Thank you both for the discussion, finally someone talking on two nation theory and unpacking it.
Brilient discussion and analysis❤
36:00 Mahabharat was not fight because of race and it is between the cousins.
47:00 In our history book we teach our kids about every leader which he is talking about. Even people will abuse Gandhi but never abuse Shubhash ji
Imagine someone claim to be an knowledgeable person and then he say Mahabharat was a race war😂
really, BJP leader of West Bengal has already done that Dilip Ghosh has already done that.
Bhai take it for its entertainment value they don't know about Hindu texts, worst of the comparison possible.😂
Wha dharm adharm ki ladai thi bhai ☺️ wo to bahut deep hai
Mahabharat is imaginary thing..what muhmmad is doing in Mahabharata...kabhi padi bhi hai
As an Indian, I didn’t know that side of Pakistanis. We need more sensible common people from both side and hear their voice. We should own our history and heroes. Hiding facts doesn’t work.
Future generations will never forget if we become dishonest.
In India we had and have great historian. Soon after independence the documents of history were with Muslim scholars so they highlighted Mughals in our history books and ignored many important facts and dynasties of India. Besides all rulers get history written in their glory that may be very biased and untrue so we need to explore many other documents to get to the truth. One needs to explore volumes of evidence before reaching any conclusion.
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The major flaw in Pakistani curriculum had been hatred towards Hindus which are also ancestor of Muslim population of Indian subcontinent. Indian books don’t have that in our curriculum. There has been hatred towards non believers since the religion came into existence and besides even believer can’t question any thing of their religion in recent scientific world. What would be best is to separate the two. No need to question religions but do science with questioning mind.
@@swadeshtaneja3512under cbse syllabus, we learnt mahajanapadas, bimbisara, ajatasatru, nanda dynasty, alexander's invasions, maurya dynasty, saka invasions, kushana invasions, huna invasions, gupta dynasty, western kshatraps invasions, vardhana dynasty, chola dynasty, in 6th & 9th class (look up pre 2000 copy of Story of Civilization part 1 by prof. arjun dev). In 7th & 9th class we studied satavahana dynasty, gurjara-pratihara dynasty, rashtrakuta dynasty, pala dynasty, chauhan dynasty before slave, khilji, tuglak, lodhi, mughal, suri dynasties, and after that we also learnt about sisodia, chalukya, hoysala, pandya, chera, vijayanagara, bahmani, maratha, carnatic rule. There were many who came b4 & after mughals and majority of them r covered in textbooks. There r many dynasties to study apart from 1.
Outside India it is taught that colonizers did favour on the colonies made up of people who were not capable of self-governing. History taught in school will always be from the eyes of the ruling interested party. After looking at same historical occurrence documented from multiple vantage points ,if you will, one realizes the frailty of human mind. With globalization at play it is best to aware of all vantage points and then choose ur truth as per what will drive you today towards ur future. Future generation who will need to global fight climate change together will not care two hoots about the multiple versions of history peddled by various interested parties.
@@swadeshtaneja3512 To live and survive one needs food, security and other essentials. Science is not essential per se to survival. History text books help in managing populations right from young age. For majority of population growing up with skewed idea of history will never matter. It is only once u travel and mingle with foreign raised kids who are bought up on different dose of same history does one need to ratalionize..and choose what makes sense to them. When you come across a common man from Paxtan just none of them have any animosity towards anyone other nation. Each person is more worried about how to make life better for themselves.."skewed" history lessons about a fight with neighbour does not help them form their identity.
Even he is hiding facts of Tipu Sultan, heroes of present day Bharat, maratha loot of sringeri math and many such things.
Akhand Bharat is a cultural concept. It says that from Afghanistan to Vietnam including Indonesia is one cultural union where all countries will remove their passport and visa restriction like the EU today. People will go to each other countries without any restriction. Like the EU it could be a confederation with joint economic and social developments.
I believe in this actually.
I'm from Lahore and advocate for open borders.
Loved every bit of it. Makes me want to follow Adeel Bhai.
Central Delhi has an entire road named after Maharaja Ranjit Singh among several other places. There has been a TV series as well that used to come DD National.
One thing would like to remind both of you is that maharaja ranjit singh draws lot of respect and ownership in India. People of sanatani keep names of their children as ranjit quite commonly. Also movies on porus, fiction on chandragupta, bappa rawal are pretty famous here.
Here in Pakistan we do get a decent exposure of punjabi names I am 46 and yet I know one Ranjeet, the famous villain
Is Ranjit a purely Panjabi name. I knew a malayali Christian called Ranjit Thomas ...
@@ravindra7791 In recent years it has of course percolated all over India. Ranjit literally means 'winner of battles' in Hindi/Punjabi. Historic names were also different and a lot more fluid - for e.g Ranjit Singh's birth name was Buddh Singh - nowadays Sikhs are trying to prove that they have nothing to do with Hinduism.
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Quite correct.
@@ravindra7791I think the malyali name is Renjith, not sure what’s the meaning and if it’s really different from Ranjit, which is run (war/ battle) + jeet (win).
Adeel, you need to go back to vaidic times if you want to know the Bharat.
But the problem with a Pakistani is that he sees the history of Indian subcontinent by Islamic lense. Akhand Bharat is a cultural idea not an imperial one.
Adeel Afzal is only few Pakistani intellectual who really knows history and accepts rights and wrongs. Indians love educated, sensible and truth speaking people that is the reason most people are from India who are watching or commenting.
Pakistani viewers are not in majority.
Like when he says Mahabharat was a “race war”…
@@patelaakash267Mahabharat was a war between 2 kingdoms run by cousins of the same clan. Is your cousin African and you south Asian?😂😂😂
What kind of stupid question is this?
@@rog5asus416 relax bro go watch the podcast again. Adeel afzal called Mahabharata a race war… you should listen twice as much as you talk(or type in this case)
@@patelaakash267 You just reiterated what you said without any logical explanation. If both warring parties are of the same race, how is it a race war? And more importantly, did you ask me to relax based on a typed comment on CZcams?
So how do I relax via typed words and even then how would you know if I was relaxed or not? 😂😂😂
Common sense? A little? No? Okay. At least provide a logical explanation to the original argument.
@@rog5asus416 oh you understand sarcasm. It’s ok bro…we need people to people toilets too
I am a Maratha from Nashik, Maharashtra.
A humble request... please name the temple that Marathas destroyed. As far as I know being a hindu, a hindu king never destroyed any temple ever. And Tipu Sultan never created any at all.
Bhai inko kuch nahi pata nahi hai 😂😂😂😂😂 bas hame pakistani hai or inke maje lene k liye dekhte hai
Kuch bhi bolta hai pagal
The name of the temple is panchagarh in the western part of modern west bengal, it was destroyed by (Borgi) marath in bengali.
@sudiptadas101 yes it's true ... Borgi means Bargi woh Canons or gunners the jinhone luta tha ... Tagore ne likha hai accha se
Are you okey, didn't Maratha destroyed temples in Bengal....even looted mny places there.....and I'm not saying they raid like Surat.....they literally looted like indisciplined army during later peshwa period. ......also read about suryaragupt 2, and pandyas history,there are many example of temple destroying.......also read about how Jain monk were tortured in South India by chholas and their temples statue desteoyed......... nalanda University was broken 3 times first time by hindu kings near asam then two times by muslim kings...
Grow up and learn history.....come out of WhatsApp University of bjp
Overall good podcast.
It took Pakistani 75 years to understand what is wrong with Pakistan but still have limited understanding about India. Keep reading, exploring and interacting, you will learn about true India too and its diversity and potential.
are you a chaddi
@@scarface5179 mahabharat race war thi kya? between what, first cousins?
LOL. Itna shameful knowledge hota hai but pakistanis are shameless.
@@AKumar-co7oe ha war thi between different tribes.
True India only exists in media lights and books not on ground.
@@scarface5179are you pislamic rape product ?
Big thanks to youtube for somehow showing me your videos.
I absolutely love your content! Thank you very much for creating this and bringing such content to all of us!
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I disagree with your statements on Anwar Maqsood Sahb. You could have been more respectful towards him for the work he has done over the years. This is not good how you make fun of him rather than putting your criticism in a respectful way. I was actually quite surprised to hear this coming from you.
My mother-in-law was born in Haripur named after Maharaja Ranjit Singh's general Hari Singh Nalwa. In 1947 she was 4 years old when the family faced immense hardships and travelled to India. India is so safe for all that anyone can come here from Pakistan legally and see ancestral places... but imagine my MIL trying to visit Haripur Hazara.
Happy to see your comment...I am from haripur ... if she is still alive say hello to her...
haripur, havelian, abbottabad, mansehra all these cities are close to each other
Our local language is hindko in haripur
@@nomorenews "chalo ab propaganda karunga" 🤡
I'm from district Abbotabad Hazara. Where we live was a center of Sikh community prior to the partition. Haripur, Manshera and Abbotabad are all part of hazara.
Now barely any minorities n mandirs. Sad
Please read about the Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam. Tipu slaughtered close to 30000 malabar hindus and coverted about 1 lakh hindus. Please do read about this shehzad and avoid misinformation. Big fan of the podcast btw.
Dude, you're talking to a Pakistanis. These poor people have been through last 75 years of hindu hatered that is deep rooted in their subconscious mind. Its so deep that they don't even understand how much they hate us. This is just the 1st step they are taking. It will take another 200-300 years for them to get to the right history. Rest, they will just depend upon the "ZARAAYE".
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That number is questionable. What is significant is that Tipur Sultan fought British . Indian history shows that Right Wing RSS , Muslim league refused to fight British rule
@@SanjayChauhanMumbai tipu was a fanatic. He fought for his own empire not for the idea of India neither was he a native. He spoke persian and was of khorasani descent. Bahadur Shah zaffar is different the native soldiers of the east India company who had mutined against the east India company along with local chiefs declared him as badshah e Hindustan
@@SanjayChauhanMumbaiHere this 🤡 back yet again!
I am from Bangalore and loved this podcast 👏👏👏 Adele Afzal is 👌
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Excellent podcast...need to discuss more
I’m from Lahore, Pakistan 🇵🇰 I left Islam after reading Quran and listening Adam Seeker, Sahil Bhai, Zafar Heretics and Harris Sultan. I need your Support. ❤
Way to go. You are the path of truth now!
Islam preaches hatred where Hinduism preaches - every living being in the world is your family members. Please see the difference in both the teachings
Fake profile 😂
Don't say it too openly man.
@@Pk_1911 real hai bhai
After watching this video
CONCLUSION: Education is important
Most of the facts are incorrect
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since you discovered most facts incorrect, I'm sure you will name at least one or two.
It's true he doesn't know facts properly .. but atleast they are trying slowly slowly they will understand.. give them time .. atleast they started reading.
I swear. They are so stupid
So true
Finely mai labb lya eh podcast love you veere ❤
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Wow thoroughly loved this conversation ❤
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A correction: Punjab was annexed to British Empire on 29 March 1849, well before 1857 mutiny, a lot of soldiers of Erstwhile Sikh empire were recruited in British Army, who on the ground of being on the British side during mutiny were branded 'Marshal race'.
ALSO WE REFUSED TO USE RIFLE CARTRIDGES FILLED WITH PORK AND COW FAT, AND URDU SPEAKING WERE SUCKING THEIR "THUMBS" WHICH ONE?
NEXT TIME DO NOT DARE A WORD AGAINST PUNJAB OR PUNJABIES, ESPECIALLY SIKHS. THEY ARE THE ONE WHO DEFEATED YOUR MAMA;S FRIENDS PATHANS AND BRITISH. AND WHO DEFEATED THEM AND RULED THEM WAS "MAHRAJA RANJEET SINGH".
WHY YOU DID NOT MENTIONED NEPALIES AND GORKAS? WHY URDU SPEAKERS ARE SOOOOO COWARDS?
WHY YOU PEOPLE WANT TO FIGHT FOR CORRUPT SYLTAN OF TURKEY? BECAUSE YOU KALOUS THINK THEY ARE YOUR RELATIVES? NO YOU ARE NOT, YOU ARE "BHUGMUNGYIA COURTIERS OF MUGHAL EMPIRE"DIRTY EGGS WHO ARE BEHIND DIVIDING OUR PUNJAB.
It was propogated that the purabi that defeated you
In India, Delhi sultanate and Mughal empire chapters are the most lengthy in our national history textbooks and we learn about it every year from Class 6 to class 12. That's 50% syllabus and makes every Indian Student's life dreadful due to excruciating facts we have to remember to pass history exams.
cool bro....😂
@@suhashg8664 BriShits transferred power to their stooges Khalifa Al Lundoni Chiknah Jinah, Khalifa Al Lootyani ConAngrez Taimurid-Mughal Fake-KaamRaid Bandit NoWheru and imposed newest AbraHaramism of their invented last Popat Gandy. That's why first 4 education ministers were parasite MohMaddens & Marxists who continued policy of cutting roots of natives by eulogizing foreign rapists, MohMadMast/sadomist raiders Taimurid-Mughal and BriShits. There used to be 400 pages on these foreign brutes and 4 lines on Shivaji the Great and no mention of SubhashChandra Bose, Rana Pratap and Ahom kings.
Kyu jhoot bol reha ho Indian history 3 part mein divide hai ancient history medival history modern history
@@Joker-yd9ivhe is talking about history text books
@@shobhasarma8414 it's not all about history text book only dump can look for an ancient history syllabus in modern history if you don't want to read about mughal don't read modern history ...... I don't think he knows history from class 6 starting topics is early man not mughal from class 6 to 10 course ancient to modern in which all topics covered properly without any shred of doubts
Please make a video on why a large percentage of Muslims in pre-partition India chose not to migrate to Pakistan during the 1947 partition.
Namaste 🙏 such a secular interview, good to see people across border share similar thoughts upon culture and religion Love from india 🇮🇳
Mahabharata epic revolved around the pursuit of righteousness, duty, and dharma, not race.
Yeh ise samjhana aisa hai gadhe ko sheahad khilane jaisa hai 😂
Bhai bharat 🇮🇳🕉️ ke history ko claim Kara Raha hai ki wo pakistani history hai
Pakistan bana to wo pak ki hogayi 😂
Pta nahi kon sa Nasha Kiya hai
@@abhishekpal8736can't wait for TISS, Ashoka or Jadhavpur to take inspiration from this and call Panini a central Asian Greco-Turk secular atheist Buddhist/Charvaka.
As a Punjabi, I have always fallen prey to this narrative that Punjabis have never stood up for a cause. Thank you Adeel Afzal for setting the record (history) straight.
Bhai tumhe islam aur especially urdu ke naam pe bewakoof banaya jata hai. I feel so sorry for Pakistanis.
@@VK-sb5tfbhai tumhey hindu khatrey mae hai aur jingoism key sath bewakoof banaya jata hai jabkey wealth inequality, starvation, inflation etc toh tumlogoun key pass bhi hai we are talking about it while you shrug it all under the bed I also feel so sorry for Indians, you live in hatred and insecurity
@@tmntdbz8You are completely unaware of the reality brother, maybe guided by media narratives.
@@VK-sb5tfSame on your side now, it's called Hindutva politics
@@shantanutiwari9090Media is horrible on both sides, but can't deny the fact that there is an increase in anti-Islamic propaganda in India. Every Indian Muslim now has a certain sense of worry inside them whenever in public there is any topic related to Islam.
A very very excellent analysis thanks a lot for both of you
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Great thoughts with good insights.🙏🏼
Just for FYI - India owns people from all parts of India that includes today's Pakistan boundaries. As per Indian Text Books (CBSE Board) includes heroes like Rana Pratap from Rajasthan, Shivaji Manaharaj from Maharastra, Veer Kunwar Singh from Bihar, Bagha Jatin from Kolkata, Jhansi ki rani from UP, Santhal Rebellion from Jharkhand and so many more. My simple request to every Pakistani, please read Indian Textbooks before you claim such things that have no basis. People from Pakistan has a certain mindset and they can never break free from the thinking pattern that is engraved by the Pakistani Deep state.
Panjabi hero phr b ap k comment main koi b ni. 😂
@@MsSunnygujjar India mein 28 states hain. Har state se har kisi ka naam mention ni kar sakte but Bhagat singh ka naam suna hai... Just to give you an idea, the biggest motivation lines in this country are: Chiriya te mai Baaz Ladawa, Sawa Lakh se ek Ladawa.
For few people, ignorance is bliss, especially when you choose it.
@@MsSunnygujjarbhagat Singh every Indian love and know the Bhagat lala lajpat Rai Maharaja Ranjit Singh Raja porus saab ke bare me hai
Even many Indians don't realize that Vedas originated from the land which is now part of Pakistan. Rishis lived on this land and gave shastra (scriptures) at least the start of it. Takshila was a renowned center of education and knowledge.
Most Indians know
Only leftists don't acknowledge it.
@@AemondTomahawkfirst of all have some respect for elder people and secondly a big portion of hindu literature did originated from the Pakistani land
Toh iska Pakistan se kya lena dena..jab Tak toh Islam naam bhi dharti par nahi aaya hoga
Islam to 1400 saal phle aya... Pakistan word 1940 me.. Vedas to 1500 bc k aas pas likhe gye.... Tb to aryavart tha sara...
Spell-binding content! 🌻
Oooo My God😮
One of the best podcast which I ever heard.
So honest....really it's a treat to mind. Love from India 🇮🇳
Honesty? Seriously? 😂
He said Mahabharata fought between races 😂 (Mahabharata actually fought between cousins)
He said Indian never acknowledge Maharaja Ranjit Singh as a hero (We literally give our children name after him for his bravery, We have roads in his name, We dedicated TV serial based on his life, We remembered him as our national hero as same like Shivaji Maharaj)
Maratas destroyed temples and tippu saved south India? Seriously?
Abe bhai konsa nasha karke dekh raha tha
Clearly ye banda sub Pakistan ka dikha raha hai... Lekin hai india ka..
Sardar patel ji ko aeae vese bol raha hai.....
Pehle suno dhyan se fir comment maro...
@@dakshayinivivek2692 satya hai wikipedeia karle
As a indian ..Great fan of Adeel sahab and you both....but I really want to meet adeel sahab once...what a guy to intract with.. but I think adeel sahab stuck at a point...even he need to dive again and again his thoughts
Khan Market in Delhi is named after Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan his brother Khan Abdul Jabbar Khan. To me honestly it was a big surprise finding out Khan abdul gaffar Khan and Bhagat Singh are from what is Pakistan today when I first found out about it considering how little I see em being mentioned by pakistani nationals. Also yes, Aurangzeb did kill sikh gurus. Guru Tegh Bahadur being an example
A thoughtful discussion
The idea of Pakistan was given by Chaudhary Rehmat Ali (Muslim Gujjar) -- who hailed from my place , BALACHAUR , Distt SBS Nagar ( old Hoshiarpur) , Punjab .
He brings this in his approach paper NOW OR NEVER -- Pakistan stood for P ( Punjab) , A ( Afghan - KPK), K ( Kashmir), S (Sindh) and Tan (Balochistan) . He presented this idea in the Round Table Conference in 1933.
Chaudhary Rehmat Ali , never wanted Bengal as part of Pakistan .
He died in penury in London in February 1951 . He was expelled from Pakistan .
Surprisingly NO Pakistani talks about him -- the man who mooted the idea of Pakistan .
In fact coalition govt of Punjab led by Sir Khizar Hayat Khan Tiwana (great grand father of PPP leader- Hina Rabbani Khar) -- never wanted Punjab to be partitioned. Tiwana had taken over unionist party from Sir Sikander Hayat Khan , who died in 1942. When Sikandar was alive , Jinnah had no foothold amongst Punjabi Muslims . Even in 1946 elections , Jinnah could not manage majority . Tiwana formed Govt with the help of Congress and Akali dal . Punjab suffered maximum due to Partition-- 10 million people killed .
Problem of pakistan is that Jinnah was not a visionary . He was emotionally surcharged , under British influence, but had no idea of Pakistan . Theories don’t make a nation --religious obsession is biggest enemy of Pakistan .
It is jinnah who should take the blame not a chaudary in doaba okay
4:45 That is because that's when Kharif harvest happens and people used to get enough money to spend on weddings. At least that's the reason in India. The entire wedding calendar (in most places in India) is aligned with harvest seasons.
Maharaja Ranjit Singh, a documentary film directed by Prem Prakash covers his rise to power and his reign. It was produced by the Government of India's Films Division.[156]
In 2010, a TV series titled Maharaja Ranjit Singh aired on DD National based on his life which was produced by Raj Babbar's Babbar Films Private Limited. He was portrayed by Ejlal Ali Khan
Maharaja: The Story of Ranjit Singh (2010) is an Indian Punjabi-language animated film directed by Amarjit Virdi.[157]
A teenage Ranjit was portrayed by Damanpreet Singh in the 2017 TV series titled Sher-e-Punjab: Maharaja Ranjit Singh. It aired on Life OK produced by Contiloe Entertainment
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@@osamarehman3120You have some big mental issues my friend. Rab teri khair karey.
@@osamarehman3120thanx for your opinion , surely your mentality defines
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Assimilation of sikhs indentity with your nationalism isn't respecting the Maharaja ranjit Singh.
What an enlightening conversation
Jee o sajana bhut vadia knowledge te information
Hey guys, why won't you add English subtitles for the guys who don't understand Urdu language. It will increase your reach to more people. Your podcast are good to hear.
Try closed captions
@56 minutes ...literal goosebumps when you guys explained that an identity should not be singular... I am an Urdu speaking mahajir whose grandparents migrated to punjab. I have lived all my life in Punjab. I love punjab and I love my mahajir identity as well. I speak both Punjabi and urdu at a competent level. But I never had the courage to even think that I can call myself Punjabi as well...I don't know why...Thanks for solving this huge identity crisis for me...I am a Mahajir Punjabi and I love my identity.
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Punjabi 😂😂😂
You summarized my exact thoughts very well. I also being from an urdu speaking mahajir family and being born and raised in Punjab always used to wonder why can not I express connection with this land and culture. I also love punjab and would choose punjab over anything but I could never identify myself as a punjabi.
@@urrasscal8380km se km Pakistani Tou Kisi Mulk me jakr uske Law Nhi Manega
Great podcast. Keep it up. These are our voices that we hear in your voices.
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I am from India. Really knowledgeable. You people are intelligent 🎉
36:18 there is a mistake on his part. The ones who broke the temple were pindharis and not actual marathas. When the marathas came to know about it, they sent thee money to rebuilt the temple. Tipu did not...
Mistake nahi it's completely bs wht he spoke
Not mistake. Porkistani inside of him woke up and started spewing garbage tought in Porkistan studies.
and your point?
@@shahidkinnare The point is that the relationship between muslims/islam and destroying/disrespecting others' religions is as old as the prophet himself ordering polytheists to be killed in Yemen to destroy a competing Kaaba. The Pindharis were muslim mercenaries allied with the Marathas, when asked to attack Tipu they behaved in a way that is now considered expected behaviour from muslims and decided to sack the local temple. The hindus of the region were disgusted, because this was against the norms of war of the subcontinent (at least prior to islam) and the Marathas had to rebuild the temple.
Now this man is trying to pretend that religious persecution was common in India and practiced by the locals as well, for e.g. by the Marathas whereas all the evidence links it directly to islam and its teachings. We are very well aware of the kind of games these people play to deflect from this basic reality.
@@AKumar-co7oe just because you hate Islam does not mean you know your history. But let assume what ever you said is hundred percent correct. Lets pick Mahabharata Hindu fought Hindu. Both the side were Hindu whether pavndos or Dhuriadhan.
What this guy was trying to explain was very simple: I am first Punjabi, than Hindu or Muslim and than Indian or Pakistani. Gandhi destroyed basic fabric of the South Asian.
Just to give you an idea on DNA test: Take any DNA sample from the subcontinent, there is a variety in paternal haplogroup across subcontinent (gene flow from paternal/father's lineage) from R1a, J1, etc. but the overwhelming majority of people from the subcontinent (Afghanistan-Pakistan-India-Srilanka-Nepal-Bangladesh) have similar (M haplogroup) maternal haplogroup. A theory is that most incoming populations to the subcontinent were dominated by males, but the maternal haplogroup show considerably less variation. As a result, more than 99% of people of subcontinent's DNA is a mosaic of variety of lineages, but maternal DNA is consistent or show less variation. Perhaps this is a reason Indians refer India as matru-bhumi or dharati-maa and there are many feminine goddesses revered across many cultures within the subcontinent.
Note: Hasan Nissar perhaps telling the half-truth. Check his maternal haplogroup- I can guarantee his maternal gene flow is from the subcontinent. It is shameful how people select what they want and ignore the reality.
These DNA tests do not tell you Direction of Travel. All they do is show matches. the direction of travel was probably West ward given the larger population of India always
Funny thing is they feel proud of their hybrid identity and mixed DNA
As a student of Genetics i can totally agree with you...
Thanks a lot Hassan Nissar has central asian DNA
Besides that, the notion that bloodline purity has been preserved over hundreds or even thousands of years is a fantasy. Even if people try to maintain lineages through enforcing marriage within castes (brahmins, parsis, syeds), other male bloodlines are bound to enter over generations given human urges, even while maintaining the illusion that all offspring were strictly through marriage. Any DNA tests conducted show extensive intermixing within the subcontinent to where we are all more or less the same, and anyone claiming racial purity is deluded and has some deep-seated self-hating need to distance themselves from their ethnic origin that is obvious to the eye.
Appreciated the knowledge on history you have Adeel bhai......❤
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@@ThePakistanExperience really honored ✌️
Enriching experience. Thankyou.
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I am a Indian from southern part of India. I learnt a bit about Pakistan and the intellectualism the people posses there. Felt good. Don't know why my tears rolled out when hearing about Colnel Sher of Kargil war. Brothers killing brothers. May be Musharraf got away with punishment and accountability but he knows deep inside what blunders he did for his people. Wish people in Pakistan get aware of the world and the lives they are living in comparison with others and take things in their hands in an orderly fashion. I would have supported Imran Khan. No doubt he is a fighter but he is duplicious and he is a hypocrite. If he aspires to be the leader of Pakistan and to take it into progressive path, he has to change his strategy of hate towards India and the islamic supremacy which is inbuilt in him to the core.
Mushraf is an insult to not Just Pakistan but to army not just Pakistani army but all armed forces who didn't own his own men is a traitor
Imran Khan is not against India; just Modi politics of divide and rule with in India. He wants both countries to progress and not fight and resolve by table talk and referendum of the people . He wants both countries to be able to make their citizens come out of poverty . But he does not want to deal with tyrants who oppress their own citizens .
@@aliajafri4450 if someone happens to be a PM of a country, his personal beliefs etc should not matter when compared to his country's interests. The way IK ranted about PM Modi belittles his office and his position as a PM of a country. PM Modi can be anything.. it is our headache. But he is our PM. We defend him with every thing we got. It must not be the concern of other countries or other countries PMs. And IK's hatred towards India and Hindu religion in particular is quite evident. If IK believes India = Pakistan, he and others who believe that are day dreaming. Can the same people of Pakistan and IK thinks that Pakistan = China?? We all know the answer to that what people of Pakistan and Leaders of Pakistan think and behave, including your Mr.Handsome. He didn't have the guts to condemn the violence against Uighurs happening next door. If he thought The Great Islamic Republic of Pakistan has right to raise issues of all Muslims of the world, then why can't he just say a word mentioning Uighurs? When asked, he simply says.. I don't know anything about it. Bloody hypocrite. That also doesn't matter. But the way he is projecting himself as the last saviour of Pakistan asking people to come out if he gets arrested.. can we compare these leaders to our freedom fighters? Not a chance. They were selfless people who gave up their present for future generations. And Pakistan never became independent. It was just born on 14th August 1947. So no surprise people would not be taught about sacrifices of all people from all religions who fought for the Independence. That freedom spirit is missing in the character of Pakistan and it's people. That's why they have accepted and celebrated military takeovers and political murders which again emboldened your military masters. When Nawaz Sharif was criticizing army and military sitting in London, what did Imran Khan do? He was supporting Army and military. Now when tables have turned against him, now he criticizes army. If this is not bloody hypocrisy then what is? If and only if ALL political parties come together and are on same page regarding the role of civilian democratically elected governments and the specific role of armed forces of Pakistan, there is no hope for you guys. This won't happen because, the inflated egos comes in between these so called leaders and have more importance than their countrymen.
@@RAVITEJA-os4mt modi is blood on his hands from Gujrat to Manipur.
There must have been enough proof about modi's involvement in Gujrat massacre that is why he was refused visa for USA . The super powers want ther hegemony in India Pakistan and therefore support Pakistanis tyrant Generals and Modi to join together to protect USA hegemony and buffer against China and Russia.
Oligarchs like ur Ambani, Malik Riaz of Pak or Russian oligarchs are not nationalist but play for highest bidder for their alliance. What u see on the surface is just for the consumption of simple citizens and their is no democracy in either country .
Bhai ranjeet singh (Sher-e-Punjab: Maharaja Ranjit Singh) par pura tv show hai 90 episodes ka india main so plz correct your fact
problem yeh hai na jab tak ek movie nhi banayenge tab tak inko pta nhi lagta that we respect maharaja ranjit singh a lot . aur ye log utne ache se india ke bare me research nhi karte kam se kam india ke bare me jaan rhe ho to kisi indian se hi pooch liya karo , ab kya hoga na ki pakistanis podcast dekhenge aur ye samjhenge ki maharaja ranjit singh ko koi yaad nhi karta jabki hamare schools me unke bare me paraya jata hai
Very well made. Loved the foundation of rationality in the whole podcast ...agree or disagree...keep up the good work.
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I am from India a student of history !
Really it's very knowledgeable & same things are here.
We must exchange thoughts.
As an Indian , i appreciate his thoughts
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be critical thinker of your power centers ..
Bcoz he talks sense.. He believe in Indian culture indian history Indian heroes and reject invaders who looted killed raped women destroyed temple it's culture..
Abey Ghulaahm.
Tu Samjha Nahi Woh Kya Baat Kar Rahein Hain 😂
You're only appreciate these thoughts because it follows the narrative of india. The moment it doesn't whole india's ass will be on fire. Atleast Pakistanis are way open minded than modians
It's wrong that india doesn't own ranjit singh
india own every freedom fighter who had shed their blood for indias independence without any discrimination . it is very sad to see pakistani not celebrating their freedom fighter
@@ankushbiswas54they have no freedom fighter 👍 that's why they glorify invaders
Who the fu ck said India doesn't own Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Ek hindu hu mujhse puch apne sar pe baitha ke le jaunga unki murti agar kahi le Jana hua to.
Listen to the host at 10:34 when he said "but(Moorti) bhi to hamare toot jaate hai na" in order to explain his point.
No matter how liberal or woke a Muslim seem, he/she will humiliate idol worshipers, no matter what. On the other hand he has kept Gautam Buddha's statue in front of him.
Saala fake kahi ka😅
Very interesting
Hats off to Pakistani civil society, who can freely speak their mind. Lots of respect from India.
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We can't do that in india any more thanks to bjp rss
We people of Indian subcontinent go by Greek historians version of history and they have written Alexander had won against MAHAAN RAJA PUSHOTTAM SABARWAL Khatri ( Kshatriya ) nickname PURU and Greek historians have written him as PORUS in Greek script language . But the reality is Alexander had lost to MAHAAN Raja Pushottam Sabarwal the greatest Punjabi ruler and biggest reason for Alexander defeat was they had weapons made of soft metal Copper Bronze and MAHAAN Raja Pushottam Sabarwal Khatri ( Kshatriya ) Army had hard Iron Steel metal weaponry because at that time Indian subcontinent had very advanced metallurgy technology and Alexander Army had taken back 300 pounds of hard Iron steel metal with them to Greece . Alexander loosing Army went back to Greece using old silk route Tehran Multan Deepalpur because they didn't want to cross river Sindhu in monsoon season and died at today's Mesopotamia ( Iraq ) .
Puru was not a Khatri. He was a Rajput
This Raja Pushottam Sabarwal Khatri theory nonsense is just caste chauvinism by a Khanna Khatri like you
@@ThePseudoBasherIn Punjabi Kshatriya are called Khatri because in Gurmuki script we don't have alphabet Ksh Sha that the reason we call Kshatriya as Khatri and In Rajputana Kshatriya are called RAJPUT Raj means Land and Put means Son of the land who protects the Land .
@@ThePseudoBasher My surname Khanna belongs to Raja Shri Chand Khanna ( Bari) and Raja Deepankar Khanna ( Bari) Khatri (Kshatriya) who ruled Deepalpur estate nearly 2000 years ago in today's Okara district of West Punjab now Pakistan our kulguru Babe Lalu Jasrai Ji mandir is still situated in Deepalpur fort complex but no Puja had been performed after Hindu Sikhs were looted Killed uprooted from our motherland of thousands of years Punjab now Pakistan there is still a famous road named RATTA KHANNA Road in Deepalpur city named after Raja Rattan Chand Khanna ( Bari) Khatri (Kshatriya ) . As we Khanna use BARI as a mark of respect as rulers of Deepalpur as Deepalpur city is on the DUAB ( Sangam ) of 2 rivers Bea's and Ravi BA from Bea's and RI from Ravi becomes BARI and it is still call BARI Duab in Punjab Pakistan . I had gone to Pakistan in 2006 from Delhi and visited Lahore Islamabad Rawalpindi Layalpur Jhang Nankana Tehsil Laliya Sargodha Chiniot Sheikhupura Khanewal and our village Mathrume near Chiniot where my father was born before partition of India and enjoyed the hospitality of people of our motherland of thousands of years Punjab but couldn't visit Deepalpur due to visa constraints but will try to visit Deepalpur again in coming year's with my family 👪 .
His name was not raja pushottam sabarrwal.. we only know his name was porus.. and that's it...even his religion is not known...but many believe he was Buddhist as majority of the people there.
Half knowledge is worse than no knowledge.
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I have an understanding that once a discussion reach in common people it will happen, if the discussion has started both East and West Punjab that border should be opened and both side love each other, sooner or later it will definitely happen
Excellent analysis!
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But one correction.. Ranjit Singh and Bhagat Singh live on and how. No one has forgotten them. They live on in history books , course curriculum and so many movies.
I found it very interesting to listen to him from 37:00 to 39:00. He makes a valid point that people in the past didn't clash as much over religion as they do today. Instead, they mostly fought over geographical areas and their cultures and traditions. These things bound them together in a wider way than just religion. Unfortunately, the goras taught us all sorts of extremist ideas
Don't form an opinion based on two minutes of a conversation which later claims mahabharata was fought between people of two races and "hindu" comes from "Sindhu".
Shivaji referred to Muslim invaders as "mallecha". Akbar proclaimed himself as a "Ghazi".
Tipu boasted about killing Hindus who didn't convert and wrote about horrible things he did just because of religion.
It was religion all along.
Probably we never worried of anything as "religion" before invaders.....
Everybody worried about their own swa-dharma, in right way if they had understood their teacher......
When invaders came, a duality establishes, an option as alternative came.... problems began....
Ashish joke of century 🤣🤣🤣 in past history people did nothing except religious war like crusador war, islamic invasion, forceful conversion in Iran, paxtan, Afghanistan etc
@@569-shashankjoshi7never heard of shaivites and vaishnavites fighting each other?
@@RareDiamond-ce4oo exactly al you had in the past was religious crusades. Before the British came we have the Sikh dharma take shape because of religious bigotry and to defend the people from the Islamic conversions and discrimination by the tax jizya system. The Sikh gurus did not sacrifice their lives for land or culture lol. They scarified their lives for the protection of their people from the discrimination and conversion under Mughal rule
Very true in Punjab all sikhs muslims and hindus used to live together with love all united by the language. politicians were scared and insecure of Punjabi strength 😢
great discussion on acceptance of facts of history in true sense...
He should focus on the identity of the Pakistani people rather than discussing South Asia as a whole because South Asia is a very complex topic and contemporary Indians are unaware of the racial and ethnic makeup of Pakistan.
Indians know more than you think. we might not know population makeup at district level in a state. But I can confidently say that I know ethnic makeup at state level..
The real Pakistani identity cannot be understood out of the South Asian context. Their attempts to do so, and create an artificial identity, keeps them in an eternal identity crisis!
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Ai Shabaash beta. 😂 baap baap hota hai humare yaha library bhi jab Malichha (turkish Invaders) jab jalate the to wo bhi 6 months tak jalto thee. India me padhne likhne ki common practise hai. Jaahilo ke sardar we knkw more about you that you kbiw yourselfs because we read and learn.
Brother we the people in India have excess to any source of information unlike in pakistan where there is sponsorship on everything..
Earlier I have some doubt about the knowledge of this guest about history, but when he said Ranjeet Singh didn't gave passage to East India Company to attack Afganistan.
Now my doubt is clear. He is a self proclaimed expert...
Anyone who has knowledge of history can tell you that Ranjeet singh give passange to company troops to attack afganistan lol 😂😂
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Yupp he did not understood a speck of the 20th centuey great game with bear, and even the statememt itself is self explainatory, which French agents and enemy of Saxons, training Lion of Punjabs Army for what reason?
Passage is another way of asking suzereignity in polity of feudal era, especially if French regiment is here. lekin bhai bolo raam ka jawaab already bta diya ki A lot of Conformational biases are there
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This is the very first podcast from Pakistan which I came across n I appreciate it.
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Very well done...very sensible....loved the way you shared race based division theory.....will certainly go through more of your stuff. Kudos.
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Love the humorous commentary in this podcast by the host :) you guys are amazing. Happy to see such podcasts, informative, factual, sensible, non religious, no hindu muslim especially ! keep it up!
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Excellent podcast. One of my favourites. Found the discussion on education and curriculum particularly interesting because my research is on similar topics. Thankyou for this Shehzad!
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@51:48 - There were punjabi and sindhi leaders who signed on partition, namely Sardar baldev singh and JB Kriplani
Alhamdulillah!
Best podcast I've watched.
Keep up the great work.
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54:44 Sindhi on the contrary is of the 22 schedule languages of India. This guest said that he couldn't do CSS because his english isn't good compared to that in India UPSC CSE exam which is equivalent of CSS is conducted in 22 languages including sindhi,kashmiri,urdu,punjabi, bangali etc
But river sindh doesn't flow through india.... the sindh province exists in pakistan not india..... u freaks u r obsessed.
Keep up the good work 👍🏼 & enlightenment of people 👌🏼
Hope one fine day truth will prevail 🙏🏼
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I found very maturity in this young anchor which mostly not found in other anchors. His concerns about real Pakistan is very appealing.
This podcast is better than any Netflix series. Shehzad thanks for inviting adeel afzal he's definitely an encyclopedia of subcontinent history.
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Thank you for creating and uploading this video so people could understand that few Pakistanis are also sensible.DNA to Bharat ka hi hai, This video can change the mindset of few Pakistani but still it is going to make difference.
Amazing conversation between two Amazing personalities 👌
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Zabardast conversation!!!!
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