AIRBOW FRAMER - Nail Gun of the Future?
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I am a homeowner with a day job who does not do anything construction related for a living. That being said I am working on framing out my basement and Bought this czcams.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt gun. I have done a few walls already, have probably shot a couple hundred nails through this thing and have yet to have a misfire. It works awesome, good depth on every nail if you have your compressor set right. My literal only complaint is that it is a bit heavy and my arm can get a little tired especially whrn I am nailing at odd angles. That being said I am super happy with it and would buy it again. Hoping the old girl allows me to get my whole basement finished out!
That looks way less convenient than a couple of batteries
It's like reinventing VHS to compete with streaming !
Agree
Haha. Good comment
Lmfaoooo.! I laughed so hard at this.! 😭😂🤣💯☠️☠️☠️ It sounded all cool to this comment came and nuked the shit out of it..!
Nope, I rather charge a battery than buy a special air compressor and fill the tank.
I'm happy with battery and gas
And Im happy with my pneumatic nail gun. Try framing a house with that battery nail gun
@@octaviobustillos6968 I'm not a framer but if I was I'd probably still pick up a battery one to hit some spots without having to drag the hose with me.
@@octaviobustillos6968 nothing wrong with battery nail gun
@@Sa.d.bo26 I never said there was. Do noy twist my words. Battery operated nail guns are purely for convenience purposes, not production purposes. Sure if you are a plumber, or an electrician, you might need to nail something here and there and I myself would choose a battery operated gun if I was to be in that situation. But like I said, I am a framer, I need a pneumatic nail gun. I just bought a brand new Hitachi🤙.
I'd much rather carry a charger around with me then an air compressor .
Yea same here, I think that the Hitachi is way more efficient for what most people do
I wouldnt mind keeping that in the trailer in place of a giant gas compressor, id still have to carry around a smaller one though for the specialty nail guns
I might sign on if it could use CO2 tanks to hot swap, but otherwise I'll stick to my battery units and Passlode.
an air compressor is a vital piece of equipment when self employed. A battery spiker is nice but everything has its pros and cons.
@@sticknstonesbrkbones Absolutely, but if I'm not mistaken, the kind required is a specialized one that would be too over powered for conventional means. Did it even have it's own storage tank?
If the air bow had come out 10+ years ago they would have made a fortune!
I stopped watching it after he rolled out the compressor. 🤦🏻♂️
Same here. Misleading description. He meant Nail gun of the past. I'll keep my DeWalt Nailers. Which have been flawless.
@@DoubleD72 got 3 cordless dewalt guns. I wouldn't call any of them flawless, just better than the competition.
My 21°framing nailer jams every now and then, mag isn't big enough for 2 clips but much larger than is needed for 1 clip.
My 30° framing nailer is pretty bad ass, but the magazine spring isn't strong enough, if it gets just a little bit dirty it will start shooting blanks.
My Finnish nailer, the one with the angled magazine has the same issue.
@@SweetStat I have the same Nailers and have not experienced none of that. Yet...
Double D-*any
@@freshstartfitness8875 are you correcting yourself for a future comment? lol
200 nails that will put production back in the stone ages.
Especially for roofing and sheathing and flooring and framing and basically everything.
Just bought the 30 degree hitachi paper framer, battery powered. The thing is a f#%*ing beast. No misfires, no jams, only battery. Absolutely recommend buying one immediately!
Good gun but heavy
not to mention they sound awesome.
Their new air compressor looks very compact and sleek! Can definitely see this at a workplace with multiple people working and multiple fills per compressor charge so similar to charging quite a few batteries. Cheers from Sweden
Great review/overview of the video with a nice flow to it also, great overlays with your insta and the questions at the end.
Always enjoy watching your videos - the filming and editing is on point.
Thumbs up from London, UK.
Think you need to do a general Q&A video Scott. Got a lot of people asking generic questions. Love the videos keep up the good work!
Solid pass. I love my cordless hitachi. Even it you didn't need a compressor to fill that thing i would pass, it's huge!
Excellent SBC.. very informative. Well done Scott.. the new All Black!😎
I started with a Paslode 3.5 in Framer. 30 yrs ago. I think I still have some spikes left. The money is reasonable, for this. 4500 psi is in the Range of Scuba tank refills. I use this on PCP air rifles. I like the idea of just the tool. Cords and compressor hose or dead batteries are just a good reason to go with this Tool! Cheers
Yup, Hitachi framing nailer is a beast
Can the hitachi/metabo nail a timber into a concrete?
You make me want to move to New Zealand .... and also......
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for those wanting off the grid. You can buy manual air compressor pumps that are usually used for pressurizing airguns and the like. Same connector and they can reach 4500 psi or greater.
Sure it will be a ton of pumping. But if you are living out in the middle of nowhere, getting fuel is time consuming (rough or impassable terrain or just flat out hours of drive away), and you aren't on the electrical grid. Then the Airbow and a hand pump is a good option.
But that's very few people.
yes but surely it would be quicker, easier and take less energy overall to hand nail?
@@defenda1 potentially but not necessarily. It's really all about gearing in a way. With a hand air pump you are potentially putting in more overall movement than hand nailing. But it's easier less tiring of a movement.
Realistically how many nails can you hammer in by hand before getting tired.
And realistically how many times could you pull a pump up and down before you get tired.
Les say for just a random number sake.
I know if I was in a position where I had to do say 200 hundred nails in Avery short period of time. I would put in the prep work ahead of time to pump the gun up if I was off grid etc.
Like I said. This thing has Avery small use case. But in that use case it is hyper useful.
Also, I can't imagine it being safe. If you drop it and rupture the air tank, a lot of energy will be released towards a random object in the vicinity.
Air tank failure will have been considered in the design stage, mitigation designed in and tested. I've worked in product development for over 30 years and we don't just throw this shit out. HP air has special regulations around it, just like gas, electric or hydraulic systems.
@@davidquirk8097 I've worked in sales for 10 years and yes you do justbthrow stuff out LOL
It's basically like a scuba diving tank at 4500psi. The tank will have an engineering safety margin to ensure it doesn't just rupture if you drop it. Or at least you would hope so!
Super interesting! However, I wouldn't buy one at this point. As a North American caveman who doesn't mind using a regular framing nailer attached to a compressor, 300 nails seems like too many trips back to the compressor when framing a house. With your average coil of nails having 200 nails in it and keeping a stack or a box close by it seems a little inconvenient. For small jobs or awkward locations I have always been happy with a paslode. I also am a little leery of having something under such high pressure so close to me. For example, could it explode if dropped or damaged?
In spite of my criticisms I still think it is a super cool product and like you said I am interested to see its evolution. I think they may have a hard sell with North America. We don't seem to mind air hoses.
I think until the Airbow can be recharged with a regular air compressor I don't think it will get traction in the market. BTW I'm a Vancouverite who also enjoy your channel
My thoughts exactly! I'll stick with my "caveman" nail guns, too! I have been considering trying one of the new battery powered Milwaukee framing nailers though. I also know a couple of guys who have switched to battery powered finish nailers, as well.
I used the Passload nail gun when they first came out !! 1988 or so,dont remember exactly I was building houses in LAS VEGAS for DELL WEBB. Passload came around to the job sites and showed it off the the pick a few crews and asked them to try it out!! they gave them several guns lots and lots of nails and charge cylinders and let them use them for 4 or 5 months , I think they liked them , but I heard they had alot of little problems at first, which i think realy hurt them being picked up as fast as they hoped! AND I dont remember anyone comming around and telling us about them!! maybe passload was just trying to just field test them !! TRVIA from a OLD carpenter in ARIZONA
Far out that's interesting, Paslode is pretty much the industry standard down here. Cheers for that mate.
Great vid Scott been waiting for this. Maybe another vid with answers to more questions?
AnnNZ in Palmy!
Thatks for the video Scott was waiting for this one
No worries man
This would be great on a site with a few guys, there never seams to be enough batteries to go around when using all electric. Having a quick charge system with HP air seems like its the ticket because the compressor should have no problem charging multiple guns in a couple minutes. Rather than waiting on batteries to charge. Great product review Scott!
Batteries are cheap. Have you ever had to stop work because you were waiting on batteries to charge? If yes, then buy another battery. Cheap and easy.
Not to mention the air tank is a safety issue if dropped from high locations, and it's bulky.
@@carpentryfirst3048 and with the new fast chargers and batteries it's even easier
So that tank is filled to 3500 psi? What happens if you drop it off a roof ? Seems alittle unsafe
That's a bloody good point
This is similar tech to what is used in PCP air rifles/paint ball rifles . The cylinders are over engineered and I would not think that they would be the weakest point in the system.
Do people commonly drop their tools off roofs?
@@andrew5792 the big difference though is that carpenters primarily work over concrete slabs. There were a few companies that tried using paintball tanks on the hip to power nail guns, but there were a few accidents that took them off the market
@@renaissancemen1 yes all the time lol
Boy that gun and that tank are super sized!
the size of that compressor lol can imagine wheeling that around site charging your nailgun
Cool stuff Scott... thanks for revealing a new 'technology' to the wider world. I followed a link on Tools of the Trade's weekly newsletter who's known for showcasing many things on the fringes of the status quo. Will be interesting to see its affect on the industry as either a fluke or start up of a new trend. As a fellow 'Tuber I think you did a great job on the video... a lot more difficult than many people think. Best, Matt
Seem to remember seeing a similar set up about 15 years ago here in the UK. can't remember the brand, but I'm sure the guns had detachable air bottles, so you could have a separate one charged up. It was more cumbersome than your airbow. A serious market to get in to. Hope they do well.
By the way, nothing wrong with a reach around 😉😉
😂😂
Can you use the compressor for other things as well?
Interesting nail gun. It is bulky and I think I might just wait to see what they come up with next.
Thanks Scott. That was as balanced a review as could be given that you already use a nailgun you've become comfortable with.
HP air is a nice way to go and 300 shots is pretty good capacity.
Are the nails specials or is there scope for brand disloyalty?
I costed up Paslode a while back and the price per nail (including gas, etc.,) was shocking.
I love the idea, granted somewhat awkward shape.
Seems like it would overcome the cold temp problem of battery powered guns.
You mentioned it has little to no recoil which would be less fatiguing, only some of the newer Milwaukee 18 volt
guns seem to be little to no recoil, not sure of the technique used to get there.
Good luck, enjoy your show.
GDB, from Pa. in USA
Hey. Great video. We use milwaukee and dewalt tools so i looking in too the dewalt 4". But i have seen mutch good on the hikoki.
Nice tool, similar to my pneumatic glove
I’d pass for one reason the big compressor
Great Video Scott! Keep it Up - From Matt in Wellington NZ :D
Cheers Matt
Ok, that's neat and creative and I appreciate all the engineering involved but it's basically not much more portable than a standard pneumatic gun because you have to haul around that special compressor with it if you want to do more framing than just a couple walls, in which case you'd be perfectly fine using the paslode or cordless. Forget doing any shear, sheeting, subfloor or pretty much any plywood more than a couple sheets unless you like waiting. Don't drop it and pray you don't bend a nail and have it come back right into that tank. 4500psi? Like hammering with a claymore mine.
You did a great review of it though, gave the video a thumbs up.
I like the spirit of innovation, I hope it works out for them.....
Aww isn’t that cute
you should tag PCP Air rifle owners, this is the same pressure system we use to charge our air rifles. its also done with a high pressure bicycle pump
I can't see it being the future to be honest
For ticky tacking, these cordless guns are great.
But you can't competitively build or renovate a house without compressed air,
and at least 6 different air driven nail guns.
Even the blower alone for maintaining and cleaning your tools at the end of the day is priceless.
Well hello there. love your videos like always. I am not interested in a nailgun myself but I wish you the best of luck with your choice. Cheers from Holland
Cheers man 😎
Doesnt appear to be a threat to the current hitachi or dewalt cordless framing nailers.
Eric Lundgren it isnt
Dewalt cordless gasless nailers r the dogs danglers
Would love to try one for a month. Give a honest construction review
That thing looks way to bulky to be a good alternative. Also 300 shots is like nothing and nobody wants to take 10 minutes to get there so everyone will do the 10 second recharge option so really 200 shot lol. Oh and it costs twice as much as proven nailers... yeah I think I’ll keep my battery nailers and gas nailers (for cold climate). Lol
Hi, nice vid, the all important question is, how does it shoot into LVL? Most nailguns, Paslode, (except the IM90),Hitachi etc all have trouble getting the nail even flush, let alone into the material so that you have to pull out your hammer every time and wack it in by hand.
I do appereciate the effort though the guys have made to come up with a new approach.
Concept good on air, huge is understated. Rough framing only?
JUST HAD A THOUGHT!! THis new gun runs on pressuers like a scuba tank!! if that gun is left laying in the sun in LAS VEGAS or Arizona in summer!! the temp. gets to 100,110 112 !! they could have a srious problem!! IVE seen tanks blow the valves laying on the beech in MEXICO in summer with full tanks ! I have a pictuer of a car that the tank blew in the trunk and put a hole in the car!! that was in rocky point M exico
Hi Scott, very interesting development with pure air cordless driven framing nailers. What would make you pick up the NZ gun vs a pure accu driven framing nailer?
Guess if they divide the tank up into 4 separate and inbuilt them along the chassis so it looks like a gas gun. Got a lot of potential.
As an American I think this thing is awesome partly because its sort of elusive to me but I think the proprietary compressor and low nail count kind of a downer unless your just doing small jobs I feel it could get annoying having to refill it so often instead of just swapping a battery and/or fuel cell to keep going I’ve been looking into cordless options to untether from the compressor but so far haven’t taken the leap
I'm in Oz. What happened to including us in the international exchange rate $992.77 Aus. I think the Airbow has taken a step backwards. Keep doing the videos...good work!
Which nails were you using? 30° or 34° ? They mention paslode has lower drive reliability, what's your take on it? Thanks mate.
I have tried Paslode cordless gas & the new HiKoki (Hitachi) battery guns .. For me Hitachi Pneumatic nail gun prepping in the workshop .. hammer & nails or mini compressor on install.
If they could make the compressor affordable.
If my framing/finish/Brad/roofing/etc. all worked on the same cylinder.
If they could maintain seals without leaks on that high of pressure.
If they could decrease the size of the canister/increase pressure.
Then it could be a good system.
Battery framers have definitely gotten better, but air power is still the king, so I could see real framers going this route.
Well, if the canisters were cheap and could be swapped as easily as a battery and you could maybe charge them all and then just carry a few charged canisters around, maybe it could work. But odds are people have the battery ecosystem for other tools anyway so it seems fanciful.
Looking ready for a scrum down there
I like it! I wonder if they do a stapler for farm fencing...off for a look
How long does it take to fill the tank with that prototype compressor ?
Interesting mate 👍👍👍
Like your work! Come to Belgium, where we have more then only Hoegaarden ;) keep it up!
Dunno if anybody mentioned that, but German Prebena has had that technology for years. Including a swappable air tank, or a bigger one that goes on your belt (and adds a hose) or an even bigger one that goes on your back (the same for the hose).
Honestly if you're going to have the gun and the compressor it might as well just be pneumatic and then its a little less awkward. In Canada we still use pneumatic nailers along with battery ones. I would take either of those.
Going to stick with my paslodes, maybe a DeWalt 20v 18g later wish they'd make a pin nailer
looks good but isn’t the large compressor a bulky item to carry around for a 10 second refill?
Yeah pretty cumbersome. It would be good to put in a site shed. Or if you do small jobs like us, leave it at home and fill the tank at night. That's been my challenge with it so far
How often do the pressure tanks need to be hydrostatically tested?
Let me see if I’ve got this right. I am going to spend five minutes shooting in 200 nails and then spend 15 minutes waiting for this thing to recharge. That sounds productive!
It might not be too bad for some light duty framing or a homeowner.
I doubt it tbh. It'd be cheaper to get a dewalt or something and a big battery than this and a compressor, I reckon. The battery + charger takes up less room too.
Compressor the only way to go, framing a big job who wants to be stuffing around with all that rigmarole , and more grunt.
Can it's head fit between 16" o.c. framing? Take care. Doug
If it were to fall from a high area would it explode cuz of the pressure
I'd be very interested in there concrete gun if it's going to fire the smaller 17.5mm to 25mm concrete nails as a floor layer putting smoothedge down sucks on concrete.
If your in PCP air rifle you might have a source of hpa already, either a scuda/carbon bottle or a 4500 psi compressor for your gun
I am actually quite interested in the airbow high psi/bar. Initally I thought it was based off of scuba tank gear but it turns out the 4500psi or 310 bar is actually pressures they use in paintball air tanks and compressors. Not really fussed if the gun is competitively priced against passlode fuel and other battery electric nail guns but curious what the compressor costs versus picking up a high psi/bar paintball compressor and a filler tank or two to fill the nail guns.
Nobody is really taking about how you can have one compressor for multiple guns in a company and how the recharge time is nothing compared to a battery. It may not be for the solo carpenter but for large jobs with thousands of nails or a company with multiple employees, it’s great
So what's the point if you need a special compressor? I do just fine with battery guns
Overall, I like the Airbow based on what I’ve read and watched. It’s biggest downfall is needing the compressor. I don’t think 300 nails is that terrible when it takes a few seconds to charge it back to 200 nails.
I can see them expanding their gun range pretty widely. They’re talking about a concrete gun. I could see a finish gun lasting a long time on a single charge.
I’d imagine the next versions of both the compressor and the gun will likely shrink in size. If that were to happen that would take away some of the pitfalls of the system.
I think you're overlooking the convenience of whipping a battery in It's arse and carrying on, and that's it.
I currently own a DeWalt battery framer and two finish guns. As well as basically every other battery tool they have. Trust me, I’m not forgetting what they’re like. ;-)
So paint ball tech has finally got to nail guns. There are some interesting options. You could fill off a dive tank there are other smaller compressors that use your standard air compressor as the first stage we used to play all days 5 guys on one dive tank. That's several thousand shots and I am pretty sure shooting 68 caliber paint balls uses at least as much as a nail
Only place I found that sells the Airbow in NZ is placemakers. And they sell it for $1723 incl GST.... You can get the Hitachi/Hikoki for around $700 with a battery (no charger).
I'm all for supporting NZ companies... but idk about this one, the size, the fact you need a massive compressor to refill it.
Will it work all day outdoors at -30 c?
I think the fact its come out around the same time as the battery only nailers means it probably won't take off, though my dewalt battery only framer does kick like a mule.
That's awesome
he constantly says a nailgun "without gas"
since when air isnt gas anymore?
Dominik Ferstl technically air is a mixture of gases, so therefore it Is not a gas on its own
@@UKShooterz2021 air is gas...
its not one single gas but its gas.
if its not gas it must be either a plasma, a solid or a liquid which it isnt
@@thesmallestdaltonbrother2176 what he's meaning is an explosive gas like the pasload.
@@thesmallestdaltonbrother2176 Believe he means gas as specifically the proprietary mix of propane/butane, etc., used by the Paslode. Others have commented how this new gun is a bomb... The Paslode actually IS a bomb (electricity and high-pressure flammable gas, oh and shrapnel).
Ok Einstein. It’s obvious what he means.
is this the framing nailer of the past?
HIKOKI: hold my batteries
Can I tape the safety back and use it for paintball?
as a Belgian I can tell you we've got way better beers than Hoegaarden.
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I would be concerned about what it would cost for the gun and the air compressor as well as what size nails it could use I could see a smaller version for finish nail gun such as an 18 gauge or 21 gauge maybe even a 16 gauge
The fastest and reliable for framing still is the hitachi air corded, yes lines are on the way but they will last a long time and nails cheaper and more amounts
the weight above the hook while its hooked to my apron (along with the stupid sliding hook) made the biggest downside for me with the dewalt framer. It fell off my apron twice as I was climbing ladders and I had to go back to paslode
I think the battery powered ones are more efficient and available just a bit pricey but so are any of good quality
Battery is a good option. I was surprised by how powerful that Hikoki gun is
No I think the future of nail guns will be perfecting the guns that run off battery’s only. Making them lighter and more efficient. I can’t see anyone wanting to carry around that massive compressor. Firing 300 nails (which I don’t think is a lot) then needing a top up that takes 10 minutes wouldn’t fly on site when building timber frame houses. Hello from the UK really enjoy your videos.
Considering that battery capacity will only increase with time this is simply a step backwards rather than forwards.
The airbow gun is currently $527 at Placemakers and the quick fill compressor is $958 (September). Online only
I've been building 30 years and that thing looks like a pain in the arse
When I saw it I thought it was an April fools joke, 😂😂😂 Mmmmm,,sure is an ungainly looking piece of kit,,can’t see it catching on fellas,But then what do I know,,I’m only 73,,been working in construction since I was 14,,seen all this stuff come and go,,just to summarise,,It’s Too Farkin BIG,!,, Respect to all out there ✊✊✊🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
David Boulton..Respect OG 💯
🤜 respect
No 73 year old talks like that. And I’ve read your comments elsewhere and you said you were 75 so the maths doesn’t add up
@@freshstartfitness8875 full of shit?
Nailguns are awkward as fuck anyways, doesn't look much worse than a Paslode.
Like the idea but I think it’s a long way of keeping up with a paslode.. 200 nails on 70% dosent seem a lot.
The thing is really cool but can’t see it getting a big market hold. Especially when you have the hitachi... I know it’s heavy but so convenient!
I don’t want to be negative as I think the idea is great, but can’t get my head around having to have the compressor with you all the time?? Having said that innovation over time might reduce that. While the hitachi May be heavier it has to be more convenient no??
Yeah man that's the hard part for me too. It's like moving a small fridge. You can do it but you don't want to do it everyday. It really has to stay in one place on site or in your garage at home.
Scott Brown Carpentry wonder if you could install in your van, and run it off an inverter?
@@rob.pittawaypossibly? If I had a big walk-in van I'd consider it
My paslode is still going 14 years on after being dropped hundreds of times and soaked regularly. It's the toughest bit of kit I've ever owned and I'll replace it with another if it ever finally dies.
Does the airflow only shoot one size of nails or can it do multiple sizes?
I used 60mm, 90mm and 75mm framing nails
How well does it explode when you drop it off a two story roof and it lands on the sweet spot I wonder?
You arent gunna make an air tank like that explode even if you drop it from the roof on any "sweet spot". It would form a hole and shoot around the floor until the tank is empty, which isnt long