Actually the bigger question in Kyle's Rant is the talk of stealing and controlled demolition of schools....who told Kyle this information really just look at operations Barberosa the German invasion of Russia to see the massive difference between IDF and SS Panza he's full of shit.
Islam is a political ideology designed to form a government that rules believer and nonbelievers and not equally. Trying to understand the conflict without learning about Islam is like keeping one eye shut.
😂😂😂 I don’t like that Sam uses the word Jihad. I don’t think this conflict is religious. 😂 the powerful mind readers will tell you what the jihadis ACTUALLY believe 😂
@@SAFbikes Why are you so sensitive about the word jihad? Jihadists tell you what they believe. They show us they are serious about what they believe with blood. It is foolish, and dangerous not to trust that they are serious about their espoused beliefs.
@@vortex_1336 LOL exactly, I get their videos popping up in my mentions and they put up nearly identical videos on the same topics. There's no point in watching both or really either.
@@dillonblair6491What? The joke was that they would "let" their slaves join the fight without even asking their master, therefore giving them more ""freedom"" and thus being "progressive".
Lol dude destiny is literally making a game out of this. How can he seriously critique anyone when people are talking about this war then making a game out of it!
I would think that that’s because Sam Harris probably feels like Hamas are Nazis and the IDF poor concentration camp prisoners 🤷🏻♂️ Me personally I think both are fucking up it’s just a big mess.
I think he's mad about the part where Harris says that why any Palestinians support Hamas "isn't an interesting question," implying that Palestinians don't have legitimate grievances.
Yeah lets call a resistance group that have been colonized, occupied for about seventy years by a nuclear armed country who is trying to cleanse them to the Nazis the people that tried to conquer the world, the Holocaust, and other evil deeds. Whats next compare your highschool drug dealer to Pablo Escobar
Bro I'm sorry but I hope this isn't the first time you're realizing that almost all of these left wing progressive personalities are all grifters and they spread insane propaganda, like shit that you'd have to be in another dimension to believe. And none of them are trying to be funny, or edgy, they ACTUALLY believe this stuff. I would even go as far to say that people like Kyle Kulinsky are the MOST like Nazis. The level of doublespeak, gaslighting, and radical beliefs they conduct is phenomenal. If his party stomped the boot down on everyone, people like Kyle would be the first to line up. He legitimately hates this country and everything it does.
@@bombingburrito I guess but look at Hasan and his viewership. It’s taken a huge hit. I don’t think being this opposed to Israel, being inaccurate and hyperbolic all at the same time will generate much beyond a swell of views due to hate watching. His actual base viewership may take a hit like Hasans eventually did. They’re just pushing themselves into more extreme camps and those camps just have less people
@@karljonson3287 sure, but if you think what Israel is doing is actually a genocide, then you’re just demonstrating you don’t understand what a genocide is.
No nazis were a specific group that have nothing in common with Hamas except they don’t like Jews. Nazis are nazis not Hamas or right wing people that you don’t agree with in the US. This everyone is a nazi shit has just gotten silly at this point.
The comparison is totally apt. There also is lots of fandom of the Nazis among extremist Muslims. Both ideologies 1) are anti-semitic 2) want women to stay at home and focus on breeding 3) view homosexuality as mortal sin 4) have the goal of exterminating / dominating their ideological enemies. There is probably more. So… just because we are tired of Nazi comparisons , doesn’t mean some groups are comparable to Nazis.
I remember around 2010 when Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins debates where mainstream and it feels like those kind of debates has vanished and i think Sam Harris knowledge about middle east and Islam in general should be respected
"The people who speak the most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually facists." - Quote from the totally knowledgeable, respectable and rational non-facist you're defending. 😄
@@souljaboyisbad Jihadists mission being a global caliphate in which all apostates are murdered is not even close to Nazism? I'd say it's worse buddy but ok. He clearly explained the difference between the mindset of a jihadist compared to a Nazi mainly being the notion of martyrdom that motivates Jihadists where as Nazi ideology is secondary to the ethos of it's supporters. Have fun doing apologia. You didn't listen to a video and now you're judging it thinking you're so smart but you're not. Typical.
@@user-py7hr8ni8h he might do that to get the articles but he reads full articles on his show. The issue is he takes basically everything at face value and spends no time digging in
Dude looked at a graph that showed family inheritance and family wealth in America. It said that like 35% of wealthy people got an inheritance (and a large percentage of them didn't get meaningful inheritance, they just got something). And hes like "wow, so most wealthy people are only wealthy because of their dads." Dudes deranged. He thinks Cuba ONLY sucks because of the USA, not because cocaine fields or communism.
Why does that matter to the arguments he made? This sounds like you don't have a real argument, so you bring in things that makes him look dumb even when most people flying over fields most likely won't know if it's a farm this is a great exsample of the herd destiny has cultivated with his obnoxious way of argumentation
I understand Destiny's reasoning for not wanting to use the radical Islamic ideology in arguments. a lot of people just don't accept it as an argument. but merely being confused on whether Hamas are ideologically worse than nazis shows a deep misunderstanding of it. They're ideologically worse than the Nazis by every metric INCLUDING hatred for Jews. the only way they're preferable is their level of power.
There’s one obvious difference I don’t see anyone mentioning which makes it feel very performative and just a way to demonise Hamas as much as possible The key difference is even the most pro Israel person would have to concede the people of have Palestine have legitimate gripes. From settlements to occupation. It’s a pretty understandable reality that there would be Palestinian militancy when we look at history it’s obvious there would be conflict. However only Neo Nazis argue that Germans had legitimate gripes with Jews. It is considered anti semitic and pro Nazi to say the Nazis had any point what so ever. The only way to argue Hamas is worse than Nazis is to argue that Nazis had legitimate concerns. Because without them having any legitimate concerns What we have is an irrational movement based purely on hatred and racism Vs a radical movement that does have legitimate gripes and it’s allure to the people of Palestine is understandable.
It is so painful to watch Kyle every time it’s about Israel and Palestine. He says it’s a genocide like these people don’t know what genocide actually means they’re literally like right wing people and constantly using the word woke you’re making the word lose all meaning saying that killing 40,000 people out of a population of 2 million especially when those enemy combatants are using theirs on civilians human shields meaning that there is bound to be some civilian casualties is just insane
It's painful to see people deny a genocide that was called out by the lawyer who prosecuted South African apartheid. The expectation for a group that has been in camps for the entire duration of most of their lives to exhibit 0 resistance is insane.
Sam is on point , the open support for Hamas is akin to having Nazi's on our streets but in much greater numbers than any Nazi resurgence , the stark contrast in how Hamas is viewed or even favourably justified is like having a large minority have a resurgence in support of the Nazi's, and this is an issue prevalent on the Alt right and Leftist side of the political spectrum
I remember talking with someone about the parades and protests in my country the UK, I'm sure you're aware but we had over a million people march in London. I'm not sanguine about the level of collateral damage this war has produced. The same was true in WW2, I would however still have questions about the intentions of people flying the German flag in the streets of London in 1942, yes civilian deaths are always worth lamenting but there is a side that needs to win here. It's the side that isn't wanting to destroy the open liberal societies of the world. That's the side whose flag should be flying in our streets.
Absolute drivel you are spouting. Dear god, Destiny comment section has gotten this bad? Embarrassing. You think people marching for peace, and an end to war are akin to having "Nazi's on our streets". You need a reality check, you actually haven't got a clue about anything.
@@safarit678 flying the german flag in ww2 isnt pro nazi? The only people being disingenuous are pro palinazis who conflate suffering and weakness with virtue and victimhood.
The genius move of the IDF was to not write down their intentions explicitly in a charter. That allows them to simply cover all their genocide and war crimes as "mistakes that happen in war because war is bad" etc. Belief matters, but so do actions. And even if IDF don't believe in committing war crimes, but they frequently commit war crimes... What's the real difference?
Does kyle not understand that harris is talking about hama's beliefs and ideology not what theyve actually done? Hes saying that the jihadist belief system is far more dangerous than nazism, and that its so much worse that it makes nazism seem tame. You can argue whether or not thats true, but instead he talked about israel being bad and how hamas hasnt killed that as many people. supremacists havent done much lately doesnt mean their ideas are any less bad.
Harris said that why people supported Nazis "was not an interesting question" at the time and "all there was to do was kill Naxis." Then he compared that to the situation with Hamas. Does that not imply that we should just kill Palestinians and not care if they have legitimate grievances? If Israel is killing Palestinian civilians, doesn't it sound like Harris is trying to run cover for those civilian deaths and make sure they continue? Doesn't it strike you as suspicious that Harris seemingly wants to make sure no one stops and asks themselves why anyone might be mad at Israel? In light of that, the points Kyle brought up - if true - seem like exactly what should be discussed in response to what Harris said.
@@adamdavis1648 Kyle is talking about what Hamas has done and what has been done to them. Harris is talking about what jihadist ideology will lead to. Harris' point is that in a world where jihadists had infinite power the outcome would be worse than a world where Nazis had infinite power, because the beliefs are worse. If you don't understand how that isn't the same thing then I can't help you.
@tobiastalks1070 Kyle is talking about what's been done to Palestinian civilians, not to Hamas. Harris is implying that the deaths of those civilians don't matter (by saying that why any of the living civilians support Hamas "is not an interesting question"). If you don't see how it sounds insane to normal people when he says that another philosophy makes NAZISM sound tame or "comparatively benign," then I can't help you. 😄
I think it does make sense for SH to make the comparison in the first place. In his POV, he sees far too much sympathy for Hamas and their genocidal intent, and is trying to really drive home the point that these guys are really bad by not only comparing them to nazis, but showing how adding the post-life religious element actually makes them more unhinged. It's a totally fair point even if it's a bit extreme
They are as right-wing,fanatical and cruel as Nazis is what I think he is saying. It’s what I say anyway. But the Nazis couldn’t point to the Bible and say Jesus tells us to do this. Hamas can do that with Islam unfortunately. I’m curious what you think about that and specifically why don’t Islamic scholars, Muslim organizations, and Muslims generally run cover for Hamas and do not call them out and bad and unislamic?
The problem with SH is this, I think it's a pretty confused POV to equate all Palestinian support as support for Hamas. Some few loud ppl will run cover for Hamas, sure, but when you ask most supporters of Palestinians if they support Hamas they will say no. This too is a bit confused since majority of Palestinians themselves support Hamas; however, as Kyle points out, what other realistic choice do they really have here? World governments and organizations like the UN support Palestinian rights to sovereignty but Israel does not (at least currently). I guess my point is that; any position you take on this is going to end up having you side with disgusting organizations to some degree, so maybe... we shouldn't pick sides and rather focus on forcing Israel and Palestinians to come to some kind of final solution. It's like having two siblings who wont stop fighting and the rest of the family is standing around picking sides rather than forcing them to hug and make up.
@@jeremyn4397 I agree with most of what you say, I think landing hardcore on one side or the other is a misstep, because it likely won't lead to peace. Only thing I would add is that the number of secular, privileged and westernised people coming to the defense of Hamas and in particular the attack on Oct 7 from the vantage point of "anything the oppressed does to the oppressor is morally justifiable" is deeply weird and sad
@@1984isnotamanual I honestly don't know enough about Islamic scholarship and practice to comment on the "unislamicness" of Hamas. If I were to guess, any contradictions to the faith in the eyes of Islamist states and Muslims in general can be waved away under the guise of support for the Palestinians, as it helps nail down an anti western agenda
@@jeremyn4397 Harris actually doesn't equate those. He's clarified this a bunch on podcasts. He's even said that a lot of the pro-hamas support is actually just extremely confused college kids who don't know anything about the situation.
There is so much wrong with what Kyle said, but in my opinion the worst thing he kept repeating was that the war on Gaza is collective punishment. I mean this is such a a weasely statement because when there is a a war it has always been true that the civilian population either had to leave their homes or got caught up in it somehow. This seems like such an intentionally manipulative statement at an emotional level. because were the allies "collectively punishing" all germans when they fought the nazis? What about any other war ever?
Yes the allies enacted multiple examples of collective punishment. International laws that came after WW2 would render much of the actions of nations including the allies war crimes.
@@Predatorsnightmare I mean yes, it is technically true as I've said, but then are we to suggest that it should not be done in the face of a fundamentally irrational enemy? No clear line can be drawn here ever, because then you create an innate asymmetry where one side follows the law and the other does not. This is a general issue I have with purely idealistic people in that they simply do not understand the purpose behind or utility in a genuinely machiavellian approach.
But just to be clear here, I don't agree with Sam Harris either that Hamas are worse than the Nazis. It's a nonsensical comparison and perhaps you could say their war tactics might be worse, but in terms of what world they are trying to create in the abstract I can imagine few possible realities that would have been worse for humanity as a whole than a Nazi victory, including a radically muslim world.
The reason a nazi world would have been far worse is that they really embodied, what Nietzsche correctly identified as, moral aestheticism. And there are two things fundamentally wrong with that and yet it plagues right wing politics to this day. The first is that aesthetics are an inherently irrational way of judging people, they aren't totally irrelevant, but when applied to moral or ethics you are simply doing it wrong. And the second problem extends far beyond that, because aesthetic perfection can very easily be reached but lacks all depth and substance and then you are left with nowhere to go. It is uniquely uninspiring and pointless.
holy sh*.. that hamas charter/doc is scary af. i don't understand how people are excusing such public docs/ACTUAL ACTIONS throughout just our past 50 years. jesus. Sam Harris W forever, jesus.
*Its pretty straight forward. Sam Harris is drawing attention to the fact that the outcomes of Nazi and Jihadist ideologies are extremely similar, down to the unique hatred of Jews, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WORTH MENTION THAT MAKES JIHADISTS UNIQUELY WORSE, as Nazism did not have an entire religious Supra-structure which dates back 1400 years that tells Nazis IF THEY DIE IN BATTLE AGAINST NON-NAZIS, THEY WILL GO TO THE BEST VERSION OF HEAVEN, and that in fact, dying for NAZISIM is the absolute best case scenarios outcome of their entire life. To where Nazis want to die more than their enemies want to live. Sam has talked about this at length, saying that the Cold War nuclear stand off would not be possible with Jihadists, since “mutually assured destruction” only works as a deterrent IF your enemy does not want to die. Islam teaches that death for islam is a way to skip judgment day and join the holiest figures in Islamic history in heaven, which is virtually empty because there have been so few people worthy of the Muslim heaven and everyone else who dies has to wait for judgment day. Nazism simply does not have any ideological mechanism like Jihad. Jihad is Nazism + dying is the best thing that can happen to you, which makes them a worse enemy to have on certain grounds.*
So to sum it up people are just too emotionally and intellectually immature to engage with the thought experiment of comparing Nazis to Hamas so it's better to just not make the comparison and save the enraged screeching.
I don’t think it’s incomparable because one is worse than the other, but because the historic and environmental context of each of them just makes them too different from one-another. Simply put, the Nazis and Hamas just aren’t the same thing.
The point Harris was making was that Hamas is worse in a lot of ways. He's saying that groups like Hamas are the genocidal and violent goals of Nazis with religious dogma on top of it.
@@mrjtfang2no, its worse because they are actually proud of it and think they are holy. And they openly tell everybody. While nazigermany tried to hide the crimes from the world and their own population
Bruh, didn't Destiny die his hair blue for months? Seems stupid to use that against Kyle when this is a Destiny video. Besides, I think he bleached it cuz of his wife and some event he was participating in. Can't remember the details.
I listened to a recent episode of Waking Up where Sam had on Douglas Murray. He made the Nazi/Hamas comparison there too, but from memory, it was specifically in reference to Jihadism. The willingness to do whatever it takes, including suicide, because at the end you'll be welcomed into paradise - that ideology was uniquely terrifying as opposed to the Nazis, where you could at least count on them to act rationally, within their fucked up world view.
This is exactly it. You'd have to be pretty bad faith and/or intellectually dishonest to construed his comparison any other way. Sam is a smart guy and he knows the differences between Hamas and the Nazis.
I mostly agree but it’s worth noting that the Nazis acted irrationally in many ways. For example, if they wanted to win the war they would’ve acted differently and allocated more resources to the war instead of resources to the Holocaust. In fact, they acted so irrationally towards the end of the war that instead of prioritizing the war fronts they tried to rush genocide of Jews as if they wanted to get as many of them as they possibly could before losing the war.
Yep, the reference was clearly to indicate that Jihadism is a core belief where as Nazism is not an ethos but a political movement which is more stringent on a political momentum than core belief. Anyone who tries to pretend Sam is being ridiculous have no clue what his actual argument is and it's very strong, matter of fact undeniable on it's face in consideration.
Kyle these days loves mentioning how he's married to Crystal Ball who is way out of his League. Somehow he convinced her to marry him and he's always got to mention it to show how badass he is. I don't know why but this marriage came with a whole lot of overconfidence in who he is these days. It comes off really bad.
Lol funny how Kyle knows the numbers exactly from his hamas buddies... I've stopped watching breaking points as well.... They'll become hamas talking heads... Shameful!
Kyle exudes an air of smugness and unwavering confidence, yet remains oblivious to his own shortcomings. He fails to recognize that he embodies precisely the traits he arrogantly looks down upon in others.
Kyles argument is that local Theocratic government isn't what? I don't understand the stupid point he was making. His argument is analogous to saying Southern states in the civil war who respected free states if they would have would have been either justified or not a threat to free states in Maintaining the institution of slavery the fact he thinks it matters if they have global ambition is disturbing it's ok to kill and enslave people so long as they occur within your borders. I'm not sure if he means to argue this but In minimizing the INITIAL attack that is exactly what he is doing and deserves to be called out for it more or less all but promoting Theocratic rule because he doesn't like war
It's so funny cause I remember Sam Harris as part of the big 4 of the New Atheist movement he criticized Christianity the same way he criticizes Islam yet now they have an issue. Atheism Plus truly was a mistake
_he criticized Christianity the same way he criticizes Islam_ - ehmm... Sam's main point for literal decades is that some religions are worse than others, viewed from a utilitarian lens. He was kinda infamous specifically for that reason.
I remember when you could critique Islam, especially the extremist variety, and not be called islamaphobic etc. I'll never understand how Islam became some protected religious class.
LOL. people have made careers out of criticizing Islam. It;s a multi billion dollar industry. Do you know what happens to you if you criticize the chosen people??
@@DadsCigaretteRun Absolutely then he's as dumb as Sam Harris saying he doesn't care if the Bidens have a pile of dead children in their basement because Trump is worse.
Of all the shows you could have done, the one where you defend Hamas as not a Jihadi organization is something I have never thought of coming from the American left. I knew they were mental when I saw them reacting to Hilary losing to Trump, but this is on another level.
Destiny says that the Flower Massacre was a situation that got out of control, but just last month Destiny said "it's staged. Look at all the cameramen"
I love Sam and his rational thinking. He’s so well articulated and breaks away from the IDW and is actually a liberal. Imagine being a liberal and simping for a religion who makes women second class citizens.
Let's see how well I know Sam Harris before listening. Haven't followed Harris for a few years, but having been a fan for a long time, here's why I think he thinks Hamas is worse than nazism. The nazis on the eastern front in 40-41 had huge morale issues at all levels of organization. Suicides, alcoholism, desertion, mental breakdowns. Often they let their local auxillaries do the murdering. They intellectualized it in a way where it was a zero sum game, so the untermenchen had to go. The slaughter was a necessary evil in their minds. The jews and communist partisans had wronged them, the disabled and the roma were a burden on their glorious race. They just had to go. However, it would have been difficult to see them sending letters home bragging about their actions. The jihadis, in contrast, were and are glorified for their actions. They'll brag about how many jews they kill. And they have a divine mandate to do it, no thinking required. They don't care if they die, either. Edit: Pretty close I think, with the difference that he called nazism non-rational and quasi-religious. But martyrdom seems to be the crux of it
Destiny: "This is like a bait for somebody who's gonna go to bat for Hamas. What is Kulinksi, oh God, is he gonna go to bat for Hamas?" Kulisnki: "Hold my chew."
@8:30 just sounds like Sam is just not looking at history. The Nazis may have not had a religion behind it but there was an idea that the 3rd reich would last 1000 years which is at least similar to some grandiose promise of paradise. Additionally there was key wartime infrastructure within city population (Dresden) and instances in which Hitler declared fortresses out of entire cities (Budapest). So the claims he's making about Hamas being worse than N*zis is on shaky ground.
for my understanding what Sam meant was that the nazi had a "pragmatic" and "cruel" approach while Hamas is just cruel and irrational. Like, 1000 year of reich is something you will want to experience with your kids, grandkids, etc. A wartime infrastructure is "pragmatic" during wartime, I am not saying it is inteligent or right, but they had a (wrong) objective and were trying to fulfill it in their life. Hamas would do the exactly same but they dont expect it to be enjoyed in this life but the next, be it their own or their kids, it doesnt matter if my family and all my descendants die, we will live in paradise. I am not even saying I think Hamas is worse but Sams point was this IMO
@@blackhound89I think I mostly agree with this interpretation. but to that point, there is a clear "practical" goal in mind for Hamas. Personally, I don't think the addition of some promise of Paradise for dying towards that end makes it any more Grandiose or irrational than the promise of a 1000 year Reich or even the conception of "dying a war hero"
@@blackhound89 to bounce off this tho, I’d argue that the Nazis being cruel and rational made them far far worse than Hamas It means they were capable of actually carrying out the methodical and organized mass killing of millions of people in a way that humans hadn’t achieved up until that point, Hamas could likely never achieve this if they even wanted to
@@blackhound89also the german people overall were shielded from the atrocities of their government. As were most collaborating Europeans. They lied constantly about what was happening and claimed the allies were trying to genocide the Germans (sound familiar?) In Gaza Palestinians openly celebrating murdering Jews. Kids jumping up for joy like they just got a PS5. Germans also made efforts to protect their own families. Palestinians sacrifice themselves on the battlefield to stigmitize their enemy. Nothing would make the IDF happier if Hamas identified itself on the battlefield.
Kyle re Sam’s comments about Hamas being Jihadists “that’s leaving out a lot of nuance, and complexity and detail” The thing about Kyle is that when it comes to authoritarian, anti-American regimes and proxies supported by them, be it Russia, Iran, Syria, Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah - he gives them all a fair hearing, they and their claims get a ton of nuance, complexity and detail. He recognizes Russia’s aggression in invading Ukraine but we must understand and give fair hearing to Russia’s concerns about the eastern expansion of NATO. But when it comes to Israel (or for that matter, the US) it’s purely black-and-white. Zero nuance, zero complexity.
Because Kyle is a nuance bro. He uses the word, but his opinions are anything but nuanced. It's not nuanced to go America bad so anyone opposed to America good. It's the most braindead thinking.
There is a ton of debate about what Hitler's religous beliefs were, however I think he was a Theosophic Gnostic. Hitler's views absolutely influenced Nazi ideology.
The only solution they can give is that Israel gives up Israel to Hamas. Completely ignoring the fact that Israel is historically the Jewish homeland that Muslims stole in the past and left Jews stateless and at the mercy of criminals like Hitler and many others.
@@reinforcedpenisstem That's my problem when people are saying "look what Israel is doing, they are bombing civilians in Gaza", while Hamas intentionally hides in civilian areas in order to aviod being killed while firing missiles towards Israel.
@@Predatorsnightmare It's hard to imagine how anyone (not ideologically captured) could think this. He's completely changed my view on religion, politics, DEI, morality, free will, and consciousness. He is a master of language with one of the highest signal to noise ratios of anyone I've heard speak, and his speech is so clear and accessible. So even if you were low on verbal intelligence you should be able to follow his arguments. Are you just... bored with those topics? Or disagree with everything he had to say on them?
43:34 didn’t Kyle just literally criticize Hamas a few minutes ago????? This is the frustration with destiny (and a lot of his recent audience) engagement with this topic… it’s just strawman on top of strawman of what the pro-Palestinian side thinks
@@John-bravooo just so I understand you, criticizing Hamas for targeting civilians and thinking Israel is committing a genocide because of the blockades and number of civilians dead sound like contradictions to you ???? Or do you think Kyle is saying Israel is committing genocide because Hamas soldiers are being killed???
@awkwardturtle2842 yup. There is no genocide in gaza. It's like saying a rapist is equivalent to their rape victim. Were the Germans being genocided in WW2? Was the war on ISIS a genocide? Civilian deaths in an asymmetrical WAR isn't genocide. The Holocaust was a genocide done by people like Kyle.
The steelman of the criticism of harris and his defense of torture article is that it is such an extreme case that would likely never happen andit essentially comes across as trying to justify why torture is okay when the nation was wrestling with how our government engages with enemy combatants. I think there legitimate criticism there.
It would be naive to say torture has not saved more lives than it’s hurt. That’s the overarching point. His example was extreme to make the point clear.
Sam Harris even said in that article he thinks torture should be illegal. The whole point was to rebut the single idea that "torture is *never* acceptable".
@sarinat3101 Yeah, and that was bad. When the discussion was whether torture should be used or not at all. It seems really weird to draw up a whole hypothetical justifying torture (in a very unlikely scenario) and inject it into the public consciousness while you're trying to make the case torture should be illegal.
@giovalladares1022 These fantastical hypothetically are only useful for justifying torture. Once you're in the game of torture, you can no longer claim you're morally or ethically grounded. I'm also ignoring the whole fact that a)torture doesn't work, b) once you open the door to torture, it will not only be used in those rare instances- you're already justifying torture for saving 50 people A society that justifies torture is a sick society and that society shouldn't be perpetuated or expanded If torture was deemed effective, I might be willing to accept it should be implemented in rare circumstances but it isn't.
Being a Sam Harris fan can be exhausting at times. He has a habit of dropped “thought experiments” that technically make sense when you break them down but sound horrible on face value.
His hunter Biden take was again technically correct in its logic but god damn it single handily powered right wing media for close to 6 months. I’m sure he could make that point in a slightly better way.
Do you realize that the inability to see fault in both sides is bias? Like do you think the region spawned out of nowhere on October 7th? Dude half of the people in Gaza were born there in a setting very close to concentration camps. What do you have to say about the christians among them who also had all of their property taken and were forced into camps to raise their families in?
I think thats because those are really the only points Kyle makes. No facts or analysis, just raw regurgitation of numbers with no analysis along with emotional comparisons.
I agree with Destiny that hamas Charter does indeed seem to indicate a worldwide movement. In the same way, Hitlers Mein Kampf didn't say worldwide but eluded to expanding Germany to house its future population, which would need to grow in order to produce its long-lasting Reich. Does not say where. Just says expand. which, in fact, he attempted as we all know. I think anyone who wants to try and compare israel to Nazis should be required to read Mein Kampf. When you do, you'll realize how similar the Hamas charter is to this book. Just the bit about Jews being involved in planning world wide revolutions can be taken copy and pasted from Mein Kampf.
so is stating the death count the leftist edition of the fbi crime statistics meme? Its the same idea. "How can numbers mean anything beyond my initial inference?"
I mean if the video is about Hamas vs Nazis, mentioning the death toll of Israel is kind of unhinged. He’s literally running defense for Hamas by implication.
@@Victestr0104 Sam Harris says Hamas very bad. Kyle brings up Palestinians dead therefor Israel the bigger bad guys. Draw a straight line to him implying Hamas is just rebels who sometimes do bad things. What is the mental gymnastics here? Cope harder.
@@giovalladares1022 the mental gymnastics is you twisting what I said into a pretzel and arguing with yourself about it. Although amusing, that’s all it is. The point of my comment was simple. It was predictable what Kyle was going to say bc it’s true. Enjoy your night, kid.
@@Victestr0104 did you think I was fighting you on something? Go touch grass cause you’re fighting ghost lil bro. Just saying if it was a normal human being Destiny wouldn’t have been able to predict what he was going to say. Not a big deal either way.
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If you want to see a good Harris debate his one with Chris Hedges as It was a good conversation and it was less a popularity contest.
@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527 chris hedges who spreads blood libel and pallywood? Just another wasp nazi trying to finish the job
Actually the bigger question in Kyle's Rant is the talk of stealing and controlled demolition of schools....who told Kyle this information really just look at operations Barberosa the German invasion of Russia to see the massive difference between IDF and SS Panza he's full of shit.
Islam is a political ideology designed to form a government that rules believer and nonbelievers and not equally. Trying to understand the conflict without learning about Islam is like keeping one eye shut.
Kyle Kulinski: "Calling them a jihadist org isn't honest."
Destiny reading the Hamas charter: "Our goal is Jihad 😐"
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😂😂😂 I don’t like that Sam uses the word Jihad. I don’t think this conflict is religious. 😂 the powerful mind readers will tell you what the jihadis ACTUALLY believe 😂
@@SAFbikes Why are you so sensitive about the word jihad? Jihadists tell you what they believe. They show us they are serious about what they believe with blood. It is foolish, and dangerous not to trust that they are serious about their espoused beliefs.
@@turnercommunicationsgroupLLC people in the west use jihad so wildly inaccurately, they just shouldn’t use it at all
@@turnercommunicationsgroupLLCi think it was sarcasm maybe.
kyle thinks he's shadow banned; in reality, his own followers get sick of his 5 regurgitated talking points, so they stop watching him.
He just adopted all of Krystal's positions on everything once they got together. He just parrots whatever she says on her show.
@@vortex_1336 LOL exactly, I get their videos popping up in my mentions and they put up nearly identical videos on the same topics. There's no point in watching both or really either.
Exactly. His videos are all the same. You don’t even have to watch to know what he’s gonna say about a subject
@@shane9961 Which is sad because he used to be pretty balanced. He was left but not crazy left. Now he just parrots whatever his wife says.
I mean I agree but he was definitely shadowbanned
"Yeah Hamas are Nazis, but the IDF are super Nazis".
- Krayon Kulinski
This is the same man who doesn't know what farms or agriculture looks like
Glue Sniffinski
Kyle really should lay off the glue
Let’s be honest the IDF are pretty Nazi like
Eh honestly not a bad point, why get so triggered about this??
Destiny reading the Hamas Charter: "...that's kind of progressive'. LMAO..love this guy
Progressive = anything I disagree with 😂
@@dillonblair6491What? The joke was that they would "let" their slaves join the fight without even asking their master, therefore giving them more ""freedom"" and thus being "progressive".
It was probably more because of how wife's must go to jihad without looking for their husbands approval.
@@janjko correct
Touch grass
I can’t watch Kyle anymore. He’s so obnoxious even if I agree with him. He seems to be becoming more like Cenk
He worse then CEnk
Yep
What crystal bussy does to a mf
I'm starting to think through same of Destiny while Kyle is redeeming himself lately. 😒
@@campbell682She’s 1000% giving him 0 🐱 . Pegging him, maybe.
We need a Destiny Sam Harris collab!!! ♥️
Agreed!
Let’s unpack that.
I keep hoping for this. I'm not sure Sam would do it though.
@@dallinjc3he would come on destiny’s podcast, but he doesn’t want people on his podcast that don’t have expertise in a particular field.
We really do, two Zionists in a room. Basically the goy slop we get everyday already but more 🎉🎉
Kyle lost his mind on foreign policy. Him and his community foaming at the mouth turned me off to his stuff going forward.
That's probably always been his biggest blind spot.
He lost his mind before he ever started his CZcams career.
Lol dude destiny is literally making a game out of this. How can he seriously critique anyone when people are talking about this war then making a game out of it!
@@keokihiga8462 These comments were about Kyle...
@@Breadbored. right. My point was Kyle is actually taking the topic seriously, destiny is just trying to get dunks in.
Weird that Kyle got so mad about Sam comparing Hamas to Nazis.
The comparisson is weird. It's Israel that is keeping people in concentration camps and is occupying their lands.
I would think that that’s because Sam Harris probably feels like Hamas are Nazis and the IDF poor concentration camp prisoners 🤷🏻♂️ Me personally I think both are fucking up it’s just a big mess.
I think he's mad about the part where Harris says that why any Palestinians support Hamas "isn't an interesting question," implying that Palestinians don't have legitimate grievances.
Yeah lets call a resistance group that have been colonized, occupied for about seventy years by a nuclear armed country who is trying to cleanse them to the Nazis the people that tried to conquer the world, the Holocaust, and other evil deeds. Whats next compare your highschool drug dealer to Pablo Escobar
Even if you’re being edgy, how do you even remotely get close to saying Israel is more like Nazi’s than Hamas? How do you get this far from reality?
For views
Bro I'm sorry but I hope this isn't the first time you're realizing that almost all of these left wing progressive personalities are all grifters and they spread insane propaganda, like shit that you'd have to be in another dimension to believe. And none of them are trying to be funny, or edgy, they ACTUALLY believe this stuff. I would even go as far to say that people like Kyle Kulinsky are the MOST like Nazis. The level of doublespeak, gaslighting, and radical beliefs they conduct is phenomenal. If his party stomped the boot down on everyone, people like Kyle would be the first to line up. He legitimately hates this country and everything it does.
@@bombingburrito I guess but look at Hasan and his viewership. It’s taken a huge hit. I don’t think being this opposed to Israel, being inaccurate and hyperbolic all at the same time will generate much beyond a swell of views due to hate watching. His actual base viewership may take a hit like Hasans eventually did. They’re just pushing themselves into more extreme camps and those camps just have less people
Well if you think they're doing a genocide its not that strange of a comparison
@@karljonson3287 sure, but if you think what Israel is doing is actually a genocide, then you’re just demonstrating you don’t understand what a genocide is.
The comparison between Hamas and Nazis makes sense because well they are two of the most extreme anti Semitic groups in history
Not even close. Also by this logic Israel would be like nazis because both believe in blood and soil 😮
@@dillonblair6491that makes no sense
Not really
No nazis were a specific group that have nothing in common with Hamas except they don’t like Jews. Nazis are nazis not Hamas or right wing people that you don’t agree with in the US. This everyone is a nazi shit has just gotten silly at this point.
@@John-bravooo
What doesn't make sense... they believe in blood and soul and lebensraum
Sam Harris chat would be amazing. I think the two of you would have a really good conversation.
Definitely
If Sam doesn't accuse destiny of ripping him off
The comparison is totally apt. There also is lots of fandom of the Nazis among extremist Muslims. Both ideologies 1) are anti-semitic 2) want women to stay at home and focus on breeding 3) view homosexuality as mortal sin 4) have the goal of exterminating / dominating their ideological enemies. There is probably more.
So… just because we are tired of Nazi comparisons , doesn’t mean some groups are comparable to Nazis.
I remember around 2010 when Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins debates where mainstream and it feels like those kind of debates has vanished and i think Sam Harris knowledge about middle east and Islam in general should be respected
The golden age before people accepted memes as personality traits
"The people who speak the most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually facists."
- Quote from the totally knowledgeable, respectable and rational non-facist you're defending. 😄
Seriously? You respect the guy who said facists spoke "sensibly" about Islam?
I agree. That's a time where you were judged on your argument and not on your opinion.
"Sam Harris knowledge about middle east and Islam" is an amusing phrase. 😄
I heard Harris' commentary. Kulinski's just being sensationalistic and hyperbolic as usual.
Nah i love sam but hes being ridiculous.
@@souljaboyisbad Jihadists mission being a global caliphate in which all apostates are murdered is not even close to Nazism? I'd say it's worse buddy but ok. He clearly explained the difference between the mindset of a jihadist compared to a Nazi mainly being the notion of martyrdom that motivates Jihadists where as Nazi ideology is secondary to the ethos of it's supporters. Have fun doing apologia. You didn't listen to a video and now you're judging it thinking you're so smart but you're not. Typical.
Wait til you see how hyperbolic and sensationalistic this destiny guy is
And Harris was not "sensationalistic and hyperbolic" ?
@@divusartemis2045 Ya, he can be, like with his bodies in the basement comment wrt Joe Biden vs Trump.
I like Kyle, but it's painful obvious he doesnt put in the work to actually investigate anything and solely explores msm articles
Kyle has said he just read twitter headlines to get his stories
I think that hair dye burnt his brain. More than likely it’s his marriage with the intellectual Krystal Ball that now directs his opinions.
@@user-py7hr8ni8h He has never said that. He reads whole articles.
@@user-py7hr8ni8h he might do that to get the articles but he reads full articles on his show. The issue is he takes basically everything at face value and spends no time digging in
He has never investigated anything ever, don't know why you would like him.
Never forget, kyle didn't know what farmland looked like when flying over rural america lol
Dude looked at a graph that showed family inheritance and family wealth in America. It said that like 35% of wealthy people got an inheritance (and a large percentage of them didn't get meaningful inheritance, they just got something). And hes like "wow, so most wealthy people are only wealthy because of their dads." Dudes deranged. He thinks Cuba ONLY sucks because of the USA, not because cocaine fields or communism.
I doubt it. It was probably something else he was wondering.
Why does that matter to the arguments he made? This sounds like you don't have a real argument, so you bring in things that makes him look dumb even when most people flying over fields most likely won't know if it's a farm this is a great exsample of the herd destiny has cultivated with his obnoxious way of argumentation
@@griggletv6974 Bruh, farmland from the sky is super obvious. It looks like big squares. Like a quilt.
@swickens930 sure but to act like Kyle is a Neanderthal because he can't recognize farm land is dumb statement to make
The absurdity of slim shady to open his pipe hole to say "Hitchens lost his way"
I understand Destiny's reasoning for not wanting to use the radical Islamic ideology in arguments. a lot of people just don't accept it as an argument. but merely being confused on whether Hamas are ideologically worse than nazis shows a deep misunderstanding of it. They're ideologically worse than the Nazis by every metric INCLUDING hatred for Jews. the only way they're preferable is their level of power.
There’s one obvious difference I don’t see anyone mentioning which makes it feel very performative and just a way to demonise Hamas as much as possible
The key difference is even the most pro Israel person would have to concede the people of have Palestine have legitimate gripes. From settlements to occupation. It’s a pretty understandable reality that there would be Palestinian militancy when we look at history it’s obvious there would be conflict.
However only Neo Nazis argue that Germans had legitimate gripes with Jews. It is considered anti semitic and pro Nazi to say the Nazis had any point what so ever.
The only way to argue Hamas is worse than Nazis is to argue that Nazis had legitimate concerns. Because without them having any legitimate concerns
What we have is an irrational movement based purely on hatred and racism Vs a radical movement that does have legitimate gripes and it’s allure to the people of Palestine is understandable.
It is so painful to watch Kyle every time it’s about Israel and Palestine. He says it’s a genocide like these people don’t know what genocide actually means they’re literally like right wing people and constantly using the word woke you’re making the word lose all meaning saying that killing 40,000 people out of a population of 2 million especially when those enemy combatants are using theirs on civilians human shields meaning that there is bound to be some civilian casualties is just insane
So insane bruh
It's painful to see people deny a genocide that was called out by the lawyer who prosecuted South African apartheid. The expectation for a group that has been in camps for the entire duration of most of their lives to exhibit 0 resistance is insane.
@@brandenharder6378justifying terrorism from the comfort of the CZcams comment section is an interesting thing to do.
@therandom58 What did I say that was justifying terrorism?
lol, because only you and Destiny aka Stephan Bonellberg knows what genocide is.
Kyle has really switched gears. I remember back in the day he used to hero worship Sam Harris.
It changed when Sam spanked him on his own show 8 years ago.
How dare I read the title and think Kyle would actually have the balls to talk to Sam about it
Sam wouldn’t waste his time
Sam has shown himself to be either delusional or dishonest multiple times. Why would Kyle waste time taking to him? 😄
Sam is on point , the open support for Hamas is akin to having Nazi's on our streets but in much greater numbers than any Nazi resurgence , the stark contrast in how Hamas is viewed or even favourably justified is like having a large minority have a resurgence in support of the Nazi's, and this is an issue prevalent on the Alt right and Leftist side of the political spectrum
I remember talking with someone about the parades and protests in my country the UK, I'm sure you're aware but we had over a million people march in London. I'm not sanguine about the level of collateral damage this war has produced. The same was true in WW2, I would however still have questions about the intentions of people flying the German flag in the streets of London in 1942, yes civilian deaths are always worth lamenting but there is a side that needs to win here. It's the side that isn't wanting to destroy the open liberal societies of the world. That's the side whose flag should be flying in our streets.
Absolute drivel you are spouting. Dear god, Destiny comment section has gotten this bad? Embarrassing. You think people marching for peace, and an end to war are akin to having "Nazi's on our streets". You need a reality check, you actually haven't got a clue about anything.
I'm yet to see one person openly supporting Hamas. This is not the "other side". Pro-Israel people aren't just misinformed; they're disingenuous.
@@safarit678 flying the german flag in ww2 isnt pro nazi?
The only people being disingenuous are pro palinazis who conflate suffering and weakness with virtue and victimhood.
The genius move of the IDF was to not write down their intentions explicitly in a charter. That allows them to simply cover all their genocide and war crimes as "mistakes that happen in war because war is bad" etc.
Belief matters, but so do actions. And even if IDF don't believe in committing war crimes, but they frequently commit war crimes... What's the real difference?
I truly hope Destiny and Harris talk soon
Does kyle not understand that harris is talking about hama's beliefs and ideology not what theyve actually done? Hes saying that the jihadist belief system is far more dangerous than nazism, and that its so much worse that it makes nazism seem tame.
You can argue whether or not thats true, but instead he talked about israel being bad and how hamas hasnt killed that as many people. supremacists havent done much lately doesnt mean their ideas are any less bad.
He doesn't know much about Nazi beliefs, if he really thinks that.
Harris said that why people supported Nazis "was not an interesting question" at the time and "all there was to do was kill Naxis." Then he compared that to the situation with Hamas.
Does that not imply that we should just kill Palestinians and not care if they have legitimate grievances? If Israel is killing Palestinian civilians, doesn't it sound like Harris is trying to run cover for those civilian deaths and make sure they continue?
Doesn't it strike you as suspicious that Harris seemingly wants to make sure no one stops and asks themselves why anyone might be mad at Israel? In light of that, the points Kyle brought up - if true - seem like exactly what should be discussed in response to what Harris said.
I think you're missing Kyle's point, which makes me wonder if you actually listened to the entire Harris quote that he was responding to.
@@adamdavis1648 Kyle is talking about what Hamas has done and what has been done to them. Harris is talking about what jihadist ideology will lead to.
Harris' point is that in a world where jihadists had infinite power the outcome would be worse than a world where Nazis had infinite power, because the beliefs are worse.
If you don't understand how that isn't the same thing then I can't help you.
@tobiastalks1070 Kyle is talking about what's been done to Palestinian civilians, not to Hamas. Harris is implying that the deaths of those civilians don't matter (by saying that why any of the living civilians support Hamas "is not an interesting question").
If you don't see how it sounds insane to normal people when he says that another philosophy makes NAZISM sound tame or "comparatively benign," then I can't help you. 😄
I think it does make sense for SH to make the comparison in the first place. In his POV, he sees far too much sympathy for Hamas and their genocidal intent, and is trying to really drive home the point that these guys are really bad by not only comparing them to nazis, but showing how adding the post-life religious element actually makes them more unhinged. It's a totally fair point even if it's a bit extreme
They are as right-wing,fanatical and cruel as Nazis is what I think he is saying. It’s what I say anyway. But the Nazis couldn’t point to the Bible and say Jesus tells us to do this. Hamas can do that with Islam unfortunately. I’m curious what you think about that and specifically why don’t Islamic scholars, Muslim organizations, and Muslims generally run cover for Hamas and do not call them out and bad and unislamic?
The problem with SH is this, I think it's a pretty confused POV to equate all Palestinian support as support for Hamas. Some few loud ppl will run cover for Hamas, sure, but when you ask most supporters of Palestinians if they support Hamas they will say no. This too is a bit confused since majority of Palestinians themselves support Hamas; however, as Kyle points out, what other realistic choice do they really have here? World governments and organizations like the UN support Palestinian rights to sovereignty but Israel does not (at least currently). I guess my point is that; any position you take on this is going to end up having you side with disgusting organizations to some degree, so maybe... we shouldn't pick sides and rather focus on forcing Israel and Palestinians to come to some kind of final solution. It's like having two siblings who wont stop fighting and the rest of the family is standing around picking sides rather than forcing them to hug and make up.
@@jeremyn4397 I agree with most of what you say, I think landing hardcore on one side or the other is a misstep, because it likely won't lead to peace. Only thing I would add is that the number of secular, privileged and westernised people coming to the defense of Hamas and in particular the attack on Oct 7 from the vantage point of "anything the oppressed does to the oppressor is morally justifiable" is deeply weird and sad
@@1984isnotamanual I honestly don't know enough about Islamic scholarship and practice to comment on the "unislamicness" of Hamas. If I were to guess, any contradictions to the faith in the eyes of Islamist states and Muslims in general can be waved away under the guise of support for the Palestinians, as it helps nail down an anti western agenda
@@jeremyn4397 Harris actually doesn't equate those. He's clarified this a bunch on podcasts. He's even said that a lot of the pro-hamas support is actually just extremely confused college kids who don't know anything about the situation.
There is so much wrong with what Kyle said, but in my opinion the worst thing he kept repeating was that the war on Gaza is collective punishment. I mean this is such a a weasely statement because when there is a a war it has always been true that the civilian population either had to leave their homes or got caught up in it somehow.
This seems like such an intentionally manipulative statement at an emotional level. because were the allies "collectively punishing" all germans when they fought the nazis? What about any other war ever?
Yes the allies enacted multiple examples of collective punishment. International laws that came after WW2 would render much of the actions of nations including the allies war crimes.
@@Predatorsnightmare I mean yes, it is technically true as I've said, but then are we to suggest that it should not be done in the face of a fundamentally irrational enemy? No clear line can be drawn here ever, because then you create an innate asymmetry where one side follows the law and the other does not.
This is a general issue I have with purely idealistic people in that they simply do not understand the purpose behind or utility in a genuinely machiavellian approach.
But just to be clear here, I don't agree with Sam Harris either that Hamas are worse than the Nazis. It's a nonsensical comparison and perhaps you could say their war tactics might be worse, but in terms of what world they are trying to create in the abstract I can imagine few possible realities that would have been worse for humanity as a whole than a Nazi victory, including a radically muslim world.
The reason a nazi world would have been far worse is that they really embodied, what Nietzsche correctly identified as, moral aestheticism.
And there are two things fundamentally wrong with that and yet it plagues right wing politics to this day.
The first is that aesthetics are an inherently irrational way of judging people, they aren't totally irrelevant, but when applied to moral or ethics you are simply doing it wrong.
And the second problem extends far beyond that, because aesthetic perfection can very easily be reached but lacks all depth and substance and then you are left with nowhere to go. It is uniquely uninspiring and pointless.
@@LonexX18I don't think you understand what machiavellianism means...
“Why compare anything to the Nazis” bro literally equates Trump and his supports to Hitler and the Nazis
Does he? Pretty sure I’ve never heard him say that, got clip or timestamp?
He has called trump a fascist, but I’ve never heard him compare trump to Hitler…
@@matsab7930and the fascist thing is accurate
@@jackeagleeye3453 thanks for proving my point
When? 😂
holy sh*.. that hamas charter/doc is scary af. i don't understand how people are excusing such public docs/ACTUAL ACTIONS throughout just our past 50 years. jesus. Sam Harris W forever, jesus.
*Its pretty straight forward. Sam Harris is drawing attention to the fact that the outcomes of Nazi and Jihadist ideologies are extremely similar, down to the unique hatred of Jews, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WORTH MENTION THAT MAKES JIHADISTS UNIQUELY WORSE, as Nazism did not have an entire religious Supra-structure which dates back 1400 years that tells Nazis IF THEY DIE IN BATTLE AGAINST NON-NAZIS, THEY WILL GO TO THE BEST VERSION OF HEAVEN, and that in fact, dying for NAZISIM is the absolute best case scenarios outcome of their entire life. To where Nazis want to die more than their enemies want to live. Sam has talked about this at length, saying that the Cold War nuclear stand off would not be possible with Jihadists, since “mutually assured destruction” only works as a deterrent IF your enemy does not want to die. Islam teaches that death for islam is a way to skip judgment day and join the holiest figures in Islamic history in heaven, which is virtually empty because there have been so few people worthy of the Muslim heaven and everyone else who dies has to wait for judgment day. Nazism simply does not have any ideological mechanism like Jihad. Jihad is Nazism + dying is the best thing that can happen to you, which makes them a worse enemy to have on certain grounds.*
I think you're missing Kyle's point, which makes me wonder if you actually listened to the entire Harris quote that he was responding to.
So to sum it up people are just too emotionally and intellectually immature to engage with the thought experiment of comparing Nazis to Hamas so it's better to just not make the comparison and save the enraged screeching.
When did Kyle get the fboy look?
When he started dating Krystal? Idk, i know very little about him tbh, but that’s my guess
*1998 fboy*
I don’t think it’s incomparable because one is worse than the other, but because the historic and environmental context of each of them just makes them too different from one-another. Simply put, the Nazis and Hamas just aren’t the same thing.
Correct. HAMAS is worse
The point Harris was making was that Hamas is worse in a lot of ways. He's saying that groups like Hamas are the genocidal and violent goals of Nazis with religious dogma on top of it.
@@mariomario1462 Go ahead, make the argument
@@vortex_1336 Am I misunderstanding, or does that imply that its worse solely because of the religious aspect?
@@mrjtfang2no, its worse because they are actually proud of it and think they are holy. And they openly tell everybody. While nazigermany tried to hide the crimes from the world and their own population
Keep in mind that Kyle is a man in his mid 30's who bleaches his hair.
Never time-travel back to the Nineties
Are you conservative?
Bruh, didn't Destiny die his hair blue for months? Seems stupid to use that against Kyle when this is a Destiny video. Besides, I think he bleached it cuz of his wife and some event he was participating in. Can't remember the details.
"who is worse hitler or Gengis Khan? I don't know, Jesus?" love how it can be taken out of context.
True
"His analysis is so simplistic. I don't mean it in a good way", oh Kyle😂
I listened to a recent episode of Waking Up where Sam had on Douglas Murray. He made the Nazi/Hamas comparison there too, but from memory, it was specifically in reference to Jihadism. The willingness to do whatever it takes, including suicide, because at the end you'll be welcomed into paradise - that ideology was uniquely terrifying as opposed to the Nazis, where you could at least count on them to act rationally, within their fucked up world view.
This is exactly it. You'd have to be pretty bad faith and/or intellectually dishonest to construed his comparison any other way. Sam is a smart guy and he knows the differences between Hamas and the Nazis.
I mostly agree but it’s worth noting that the Nazis acted irrationally in many ways. For example, if they wanted to win the war they would’ve acted differently and allocated more resources to the war instead of resources to the Holocaust. In fact, they acted so irrationally towards the end of the war that instead of prioritizing the war fronts they tried to rush genocide of Jews as if they wanted to get as many of them as they possibly could before losing the war.
Yep, the reference was clearly to indicate that Jihadism is a core belief where as Nazism is not an ethos but a political movement which is more stringent on a political momentum than core belief. Anyone who tries to pretend Sam is being ridiculous have no clue what his actual argument is and it's very strong, matter of fact undeniable on it's face in consideration.
@@giovalladares1022lol straight from Jps mouth I'm guessing? This isn't true research to subject more.
@@ennuiii Yes he said and he is 100% correct. Don’t let JP derangement cloud your judgement.
What is worst, the chicken or the egg? No your wrong! Its Israel!
I swear this is what people like kyle sound like.
Kyle these days loves mentioning how he's married to Crystal Ball who is way out of his League. Somehow he convinced her to marry him and he's always got to mention it to show how badass he is. I don't know why but this marriage came with a whole lot of overconfidence in who he is these days. It comes off really bad.
Lol funny how Kyle knows the numbers exactly from his hamas buddies... I've stopped watching breaking points as well.... They'll become hamas talking heads... Shameful!
Kyle exudes an air of smugness and unwavering confidence, yet remains oblivious to his own shortcomings. He fails to recognize that he embodies precisely the traits he arrogantly looks down upon in others.
Ppl like this will never change
Thank you🙏
Kyles argument is that local Theocratic government isn't what? I don't understand the stupid point he was making. His argument is analogous to saying Southern states in the civil war who respected free states if they would have would have been either justified or not a threat to free states in Maintaining the institution of slavery the fact he thinks it matters if they have global ambition is disturbing it's ok to kill and enslave people so long as they occur within your borders. I'm not sure if he means to argue this but In minimizing the INITIAL attack that is exactly what he is doing and deserves to be called out for it more or less all but promoting Theocratic rule because he doesn't like war
Sam Harris is so based
It's so funny cause I remember Sam Harris as part of the big 4 of the New Atheist movement he criticized Christianity the same way he criticizes Islam yet now they have an issue.
Atheism Plus truly was a mistake
Kyle was in that same group. He was an atheist CZcamsr. That's why his channel is called "Secular Talk".
What? He always said islam was worse
_he criticized Christianity the same way he criticizes Islam_ - ehmm...
Sam's main point for literal decades is that some religions are worse than others, viewed from a utilitarian lens. He was kinda infamous specifically for that reason.
@@roberteriksen6434 I mean.. some are
Oof, that is a name I haven't heard in a long, long time.
Wait. 5 hours after release and the title still says "Kyle Kulinsk" ? Am I missing something?
Comparing Hamas to Nazi Germany is comparing chaotic evil to lawful evil.
I remember when you could critique Islam, especially the extremist variety, and not be called islamaphobic etc.
I'll never understand how Islam became some protected religious class.
Hey, it's not the Muslims passing antisemitism laws right now.
LOL. people have made careers out of criticizing Islam. It;s a multi billion dollar industry. Do you know what happens to you if you criticize the chosen people??
The world gone crazy as Destiny remains based
yeah lol...he might as well start just wearing a yamaka on stream now at this point lol.
Until Trump is mentioned
@@DadsCigaretteRun Absolutely then he's as dumb as Sam Harris saying he doesn't care if the Bidens have a pile of dead children in their basement because Trump is worse.
@DadsCigaretteRun nah Lil bro. He's even more based on That
@@DadsCigaretteRundestiny is based on Trump, what are you talking about lol
Without even looking deeply at NS and Hamas, the relative power dynamic is vastly different.
Destiny didn't even respond to Kyle's most substantive points.
Isn't Kyle's entire rant just one huge whataboutism?
The evil version of Kyle Kulinski.. KYLE KULINSK
Kulins Kylski
Sam pretty much always hated being considered part of the IDW. It wasn't a voluntary involvement by any means.
Calling jews nazis is the current age idiocracy...
You can't be a morally sane person if you take the side of Palestine. Don't care what anybody says.
Glad we have you to define moral sanity for humanity from a CZcams comment. Where would we be without loner graphic
did Destiny read Sam Harris's book with Majid? Outlining Islamism, Jihadism, moderate etc etc
Shadi hamid has a good article too
Of all the shows you could have done, the one where you defend Hamas as not a Jihadi organization is something I have never thought of coming from the American left. I knew they were mental when I saw them reacting to Hilary losing to Trump, but this is on another level.
Destiny says that the Flower Massacre was a situation that got out of control, but just last month Destiny said "it's staged. Look at all the cameramen"
Destiny needs to debate Kyle Kulinski. He and Krystal Ball have been spewing absolute dogshit takes on this topic.
I used to listen to both of them. Couldn't agree more.
Agreed and I used to be fans of them
Sam Harris is 100% right.
Anybody know what's the software that Destiny uses to categorize his research?
I beeline it’s called obsidian
@@thecoolannishatk. That's it! Thanks!
@@OneRedKraken NP bud
I love Sam and his rational thinking. He’s so well articulated and breaks away from the IDW and is actually a liberal. Imagine being a liberal and simping for a religion who makes women second class citizens.
26:49 They all believe it to some extent, because the religion is inherently political. This is best demonstrated in the prison system.
Let's see how well I know Sam Harris before listening. Haven't followed Harris for a few years, but having been a fan for a long time, here's why I think he thinks Hamas is worse than nazism.
The nazis on the eastern front in 40-41 had huge morale issues at all levels of organization. Suicides, alcoholism, desertion, mental breakdowns. Often they let their local auxillaries do the murdering. They intellectualized it in a way where it was a zero sum game, so the untermenchen had to go. The slaughter was a necessary evil in their minds. The jews and communist partisans had wronged them, the disabled and the roma were a burden on their glorious race. They just had to go.
However, it would have been difficult to see them sending letters home bragging about their actions. The jihadis, in contrast, were and are glorified for their actions. They'll brag about how many jews they kill. And they have a divine mandate to do it, no thinking required. They don't care if they die, either.
Edit: Pretty close I think, with the difference that he called nazism non-rational and quasi-religious. But martyrdom seems to be the crux of it
"Who was worse? Hitler or Genghis Kahn? - Jesus" - out of context funny ...
Destiny: "This is like a bait for somebody who's gonna go to bat for Hamas. What is Kulinksi, oh God, is he gonna go to bat for Hamas?"
Kulisnki: "Hold my chew."
@8:30 just sounds like Sam is just not looking at history. The Nazis may have not had a religion behind it but there was an idea that the 3rd reich would last 1000 years which is at least similar to some grandiose promise of paradise.
Additionally there was key wartime infrastructure within city population (Dresden) and instances in which Hitler declared fortresses out of entire cities (Budapest).
So the claims he's making about Hamas being worse than N*zis is on shaky ground.
for my understanding what Sam meant was that the nazi had a "pragmatic" and "cruel" approach while Hamas is just cruel and irrational.
Like, 1000 year of reich is something you will want to experience with your kids, grandkids, etc. A wartime infrastructure is "pragmatic" during wartime, I am not saying it is inteligent or right, but they had a (wrong) objective and were trying to fulfill it in their life.
Hamas would do the exactly same but they dont expect it to be enjoyed in this life but the next, be it their own or their kids, it doesnt matter if my family and all my descendants die, we will live in paradise.
I am not even saying I think Hamas is worse but Sams point was this IMO
@@blackhound89I think I mostly agree with this interpretation. but to that point, there is a clear "practical" goal in mind for Hamas.
Personally, I don't think the addition of some promise of Paradise for dying towards that end makes it any more Grandiose or irrational than the promise of a 1000 year Reich or even the conception of "dying a war hero"
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to bounce off this tho, I’d argue that the Nazis being cruel and rational made them far far worse than Hamas
It means they were capable of actually carrying out the methodical and organized mass killing of millions of people in a way that humans hadn’t achieved up until that point, Hamas could likely never achieve this if they even wanted to
@@blackhound89also the german people overall were shielded from the atrocities of their government. As were most collaborating Europeans. They lied constantly about what was happening and claimed the allies were trying to genocide the Germans (sound familiar?)
In Gaza Palestinians openly celebrating murdering Jews. Kids jumping up for joy like they just got a PS5.
Germans also made efforts to protect their own families. Palestinians sacrifice themselves on the battlefield to stigmitize their enemy.
Nothing would make the IDF happier if Hamas identified itself on the battlefield.
@@lobosolo7675 Most non-religious people would consider a religious cause more irrational than some tangible cause here in the real world.
Kyle re Sam’s comments about Hamas being Jihadists “that’s leaving out a lot of nuance, and complexity and detail”
The thing about Kyle is that when it comes to authoritarian, anti-American regimes and proxies supported by them, be it Russia, Iran, Syria, Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah - he gives them all a fair hearing, they and their claims get a ton of nuance, complexity and detail. He recognizes Russia’s aggression in invading Ukraine but we must understand and give fair hearing to Russia’s concerns about the eastern expansion of NATO.
But when it comes to Israel (or for that matter, the US) it’s purely black-and-white. Zero nuance, zero complexity.
Cause he hates Jews. If Israel was 1% like Russia there'd be no one alive in Gaza.
Exactly spot on!
Because Kyle is a nuance bro. He uses the word, but his opinions are anything but nuanced. It's not nuanced to go America bad so anyone opposed to America good. It's the most braindead thinking.
39:35 ... The look on Kyle's face at the point Destiny pauses the video is priceless lol
Nazi had atheism. And hitler tolerated it as long religion did not become a problem.
But hitler was paranoid.
There is a ton of debate about what Hitler's religous beliefs were, however I think he was a Theosophic Gnostic. Hitler's views absolutely influenced Nazi ideology.
Can someone explain to me how the Israel can avoid NOT killing civilians when Hamas hides their weaponry/military/forces in civilian areas in Gaza?
The only solution they can give is that Israel gives up Israel to Hamas. Completely ignoring the fact that Israel is historically the Jewish homeland that Muslims stole in the past and left Jews stateless and at the mercy of criminals like Hitler and many others.
No one can explain that because it's impossible
@@reinforcedpenisstem That's my problem when people are saying "look what Israel is doing, they are bombing civilians in Gaza", while Hamas intentionally hides in civilian areas in order to aviod being killed while firing missiles towards Israel.
@@ciitriis Correct.
Not with any level of honesty
I like how people act like Sam Harris is just a regular person who isn't the greatest human of all time
Never once heard Sam Harris say something and thought you know that’s really interesting
@@Predatorsnightmare It's hard to imagine how anyone (not ideologically captured) could think this. He's completely changed my view on religion, politics, DEI, morality, free will, and consciousness. He is a master of language with one of the highest signal to noise ratios of anyone I've heard speak, and his speech is so clear and accessible. So even if you were low on verbal intelligence you should be able to follow his arguments. Are you just... bored with those topics? Or disagree with everything he had to say on them?
AHH! This is so good to see. I was just watching kyles video and thinking "destiny should react" and here we are!
I liked* when him and krystal grilled brianna on voting for third parties but its been all downhill from there
Destiny and Sam convo please!!
Destiny is such a contrarian. Destiny would 100% argue with someone who described Hamas how Sam did in another context
I like the part when Destiny claimed Jesus is worse than Hitler and Gengis Khan.
6:21
Steven should talk to Kyle. Maybe he can level Kyle out a little bit.
43:34 didn’t Kyle just literally criticize Hamas a few minutes ago????? This is the frustration with destiny (and a lot of his recent audience) engagement with this topic… it’s just strawman on top of strawman of what the pro-Palestinian side thinks
Criticizing hamas then acting like they're victims of genocide is two-face.
@@John-bravooo just so I understand you, criticizing Hamas for targeting civilians and thinking Israel is committing a genocide because of the blockades and number of civilians dead sound like contradictions to you ????
Or do you think Kyle is saying Israel is committing genocide because Hamas soldiers are being killed???
@awkwardturtle2842 yup. There is no genocide in gaza.
It's like saying a rapist is equivalent to their rape victim. Were the Germans being genocided in WW2? Was the war on ISIS a genocide?
Civilian deaths in an asymmetrical WAR isn't genocide. The Holocaust was a genocide done by people like Kyle.
Ever feel like Destiny is begging for Kyle to make content addressing him hating his content?.....
36:12 you're not really addressing any of his points anymore.
The steelman of the criticism of harris and his defense of torture article is that it is such an extreme case that would likely never happen andit essentially comes across as trying to justify why torture is okay when the nation was wrestling with how our government engages with enemy combatants. I think there legitimate criticism there.
It would be naive to say torture has not saved more lives than it’s hurt. That’s the overarching point. His example was extreme to make the point clear.
Sam Harris even said in that article he thinks torture should be illegal. The whole point was to rebut the single idea that "torture is *never* acceptable".
@sarinat3101 Yeah, and that was bad. When the discussion was whether torture should be used or not at all. It seems really weird to draw up a whole hypothetical justifying torture (in a very unlikely scenario) and inject it into the public consciousness while you're trying to make the case torture should be illegal.
@@09BiGDylan it doesn’t have to be a nuke for torture to be a net good. If you can torture a terror plot that saves 50 people then was it worth it?
@giovalladares1022 These fantastical hypothetically are only useful for justifying torture. Once you're in the game of torture, you can no longer claim you're morally or ethically grounded.
I'm also ignoring the whole fact that a)torture doesn't work, b) once you open the door to torture, it will not only be used in those rare instances- you're already justifying torture for saving 50 people
A society that justifies torture is a sick society and that society shouldn't be perpetuated or expanded
If torture was deemed effective, I might be willing to accept it should be implemented in rare circumstances but it isn't.
Sam harris is right
Destiny you just haven't even heard of the Flower massacre.
I thought my mans knew everything.
Steven needs to abandon the podcast with Dan, its not good, i like Dan but he's not interesting enough to be a podcast host
cope
@@AbsentMindedA Did you just learn the word? What a dogshit usage of the meme.
Kulinski is absolutely unbearable
Oh yea my favorite Medieval Sieges to read up about involved planes too
Tankie in middle life crisis.
You think Kyle Kulinkski is a Tankie?
NGL, Sam was kinda weird for the Natzee take.
Being a Sam Harris fan can be exhausting at times. He has a habit of dropped “thought experiments” that technically make sense when you break them down but sound horrible on face value.
Nah, he’s fine
His hunter Biden take was again technically correct in its logic but god damn it single handily powered right wing media for close to 6 months.
I’m sure he could make that point in a slightly better way.
Kyle was based then immediately two-sided it and killed it.
Do you realize that the inability to see fault in both sides is bias? Like do you think the region spawned out of nowhere on October 7th? Dude half of the people in Gaza were born there in a setting very close to concentration camps. What do you have to say about the christians among them who also had all of their property taken and were forced into camps to raise their families in?
@brandenharder6378 you have no idea what a concentration camp is. Gaza has 5 star hotels, water parks, mansions, luxury car dealerships, OBESITY.
Take a shot everytime Destiny face-rubs himself in frustration
I really can't stand Kyle Kucklinski. He's one of the few public personalities that I HOPE to meet one day. 😊😊
Why? Is it because you're unable to see atrocities on both sides of a conflict?
Kinda weird to blame him for your ignorance
@@brandenharder6378 seeing as you have no clue what I know. I'd say you're the ignorant one.
Destiny trying to disregard Kyle's points by saying their predictable is so lazy because his own points are also just as predictable.
I think thats because those are really the only points Kyle makes. No facts or analysis, just raw regurgitation of numbers with no analysis along with emotional comparisons.
I agree with Destiny that hamas Charter does indeed seem to indicate a worldwide movement.
In the same way, Hitlers Mein Kampf didn't say worldwide but eluded to expanding Germany to house its future population, which would need to grow in order to produce its long-lasting Reich.
Does not say where. Just says expand. which, in fact, he attempted as we all know.
I think anyone who wants to try and compare israel to Nazis should be required to read Mein Kampf. When you do, you'll realize how similar the Hamas charter is to this book.
Just the bit about Jews being involved in planning world wide revolutions can be taken copy and pasted from Mein Kampf.
so is stating the death count the leftist edition of the fbi crime statistics meme? Its the same idea. "How can numbers mean anything beyond my initial inference?"
Destiny: let me make some wild predictions….
He’s going to say 2+2=4
Woah woah look I knew he would say 2+2=4!!
Gotchya😂
I mean if the video is about Hamas vs Nazis, mentioning the death toll of Israel is kind of unhinged. He’s literally running defense for Hamas by implication.
@@giovalladares1022 your mental gymnastics have earned a gold medal good sir
@@Victestr0104 Sam Harris says Hamas very bad. Kyle brings up Palestinians dead therefor Israel the bigger bad guys. Draw a straight line to him implying Hamas is just rebels who sometimes do bad things. What is the mental gymnastics here? Cope harder.
@@giovalladares1022 the mental gymnastics is you twisting what I said into a pretzel and arguing with yourself about it. Although amusing, that’s all it is.
The point of my comment was simple. It was predictable what Kyle was going to say bc it’s true. Enjoy your night, kid.
@@Victestr0104 did you think I was fighting you on something? Go touch grass cause you’re fighting ghost lil bro. Just saying if it was a normal human being Destiny wouldn’t have been able to predict what he was going to say. Not a big deal either way.
How can you go on debates with scholars and you don’t even know what jihad means? It’s really pathetic and you need humility 😊
Please do the Sam Harris conversation. Make this the best timeline.
Would kill for a Harris conversation w Destiny