White has been a thing for a while. But Sub-Saharan Africans aka blacks haven't been apart of the worlds history in the old world outside of has slaves, until very recently. When the white liberals used the term African American it caused them to think Africa= Black. They have some weird chip on their shoulder about stuff and now are trying to actually steal history, which makes the stereotypes about them seem more true to everyday people. Bro i live in Detroit with many BP, and I can tell you black folks are the most racist these days. They think the Moors are black because of the couple slave armies they had that a Spaniard ignorantly used that to describe them all. But black back then meant black hair, like swarthy. The American blacks are using Presentism to look at the past like they are kids, and it's making people mock them more. This nonsense needs to stop
@@juanjones6463 Jesus was a Jewish man from the Middle East. People in the Middle East don't have brown skin, they have an olive skin complexion which is commonly seen in Mediterranean countries, so you're wrong.
Considering Cleopatra is Greek, it would make sense for a whyte woman to play her. What drives me the most crazy about this is if it was ever a swap the other way, people would lose their minds (ie Ryan Gosling playing MLK). The amount of red heads that have been replaced is ridiculous.
It's an issue due to lack of education on the subject. Most black people I know who are offended by the idea of a white Cleopatra just genuinely don't know that she was, indeed, white. Let's not act like America has the most expansive history classes - it's just a topic that isn't really covered. I've explained to some of my own friends and family that Cleopatra was white and there's two responses: 1) I didn't know that - I guess white Cleo makes sense; OR 2) they're just telling you she's white - it's AFRICA, she HAS to be black. I get the first response the majority of the time - the second response comes from people who believe 5g conspiracies and aren't vaccinated.
Black or pasty white Cleopatra is Mediterranean erasure (yes I’m serious). That said, I think white people playing black people will become accepted eventually as racism and its consequences subside.
Well i would say a greek or i guess a modern egyptian specifically really then a america/europe woman unless they are super good actress and they look like an old greek woman i guess?
Cleopatra, along with the rest of house of Ptolemy, was Greek. This is a matter of historical record, people should open a high school level book on a topic before they go on TV to debate it.
@@flory.xafter whyte demons stole everything because they were in caves in a mountain when the rest of the world was civilized so there’s always full stories… Let me guess… you think whyte ppl are The original Jews too. Whyte ppl even had to steal religion (painting black characters whyte. Putin has a clue 😂) because they had none. They took critical thinking out of schools so ppl like you can flourish.😂😂
If you raceswap anyone, fictional or non fictional, that has a well known popular aesthetic look, people that love those characters will be pissed, no it doesn't mean they're racist, they just want to see the character they know be RECOGNISABLE as that character and YES that includes skin tone. Could most people live with a raceswap? Sure but I think most people would prefer the character you're recreating in a new medium to actually LOOK like the character they know from the source material, simple as that.
Agree with everything you said, another layer is depending on if a characters looks/heritage have importance to the story line. For example, if Pocahontas was played by a white person. Not only would people be pissed because that's not what she looked like, but one of the biggest plot points is that because they looked different is why they were known as savages and what not. People aren't mad that Ariel was played by a nonwhite person, they were mad that her signature hair wasn't "firetruck red" and the movie overall looked bad. People are mad that Rapunzel is going to be potentially played by a nonwhite person just because her hair being blonde is a massive plot point, and people are worried that the actor they have in mind will get stuck with an awful looking wig.
No, this is nonsense. People are fine with reimagining a story by changing the setting, the timeline or what have you. They only have this unhinged response when you change the race. Hmm i wonder why that is?
@@Notsogoodguitarguy yeah I don’t know why people always use that as their evidence. Especially when you don’t even need to open the books to find proof. Every single book that has Hermione in the cover art has her portrayed as white.
I love how the defense becomes “who cares about this”, when they would have had an entire episode if Mansa Musa or Ghengis Khan was casted as a white guy, and Twitter would lose its mind. I’m sure Egyptians are not happy.
Destiny falls flat on race swapping the reason afro samurai get no flack is because he is his own original character in a fantasy samurai setting. the only time race swapping gets brought up is for something that calls itself historically accurate and for already existing characters changed so the creator. We'd never make luke cage or mace windu white so why do it with other races.
They could have made a sequal to little mermaid, or focused on carriabean mermaids. Ariel is called back to the sea and has to act like a mediator, between her father, other mermaids and humans. And thus black mermaids exist, without changing Ariel.
Your right it wouldnt happen the other way cause of political correctness,but is what is poltically correct make it right or wrong? I dont think so. In princinple they should be able to they just wont do it, they did in the past and certainly worked back then.
@@117Enderthen why even call it little mermaid ? why even set in the same universe? Why not just create a new original story? To say that only certain races of people should be allowed to play certain fictional characters seems unfair?
@@lampad4549 well the little mermaid is a swedish folktale, thats like saying african folktales should be raceswapped, if theres an african folktale about mermaids, then sure, but the little mermaid, originated as a swedish tale, and then got disneyifed.
Watching Destiny having his mind blown by just how ancient the pyramids are was really satisfying. That was pretty much my reaction too when I first learned that and I’ve been really into ancient Egypt ever since. I recommend Paul Cooper’s recent episode on the Fall of Civilizations podcast if you want to learn more about that time period.
Destiny is just not correct on his assertions about how democratically elected leaders shouldn't be striving to do the right thing. At least if we are talking about America. It is the classic blunder of confusing our representative republic with a true democracy. We don't vote on issues, we vote on representatives. Once a politician gets elected they are meant to do what is right as a representative of the people that elected them, not continuously update their positions to appeal to the most future voters.
"Once a politician gets elected they are meant to do what is right as a representative of the people that elected them, not continuously update their positions to appeal to the most future voters." Politicians that don't appeal to enough voters don't exist, so every politician that is currently in power has and or will change their positions to maintain it. So yes you are correct in such case it may not be necessary nor right to betray the that voted you in because the bar to maintain power is not a necessarily majority vote of the entire country. However put in context with destiny talking about a countries foreign policy reflecting the desires of its most influential/numerous populace, what Destiny was most likely talking about was macro politics in which democratically elected leaders shouldn't be striving to do the right thing and in fact change the positions to the most future voters, because they wouldn't have enough power to decide foreign policy otherwise and therefore the only foreign policy that is able to be decided isn't the that's right just the that has the most support.
@@failedspark6643 i understand Destiny's point (i think at least). As far as i can tell he is saying "In a democracy, the primary job of a politcian is to get votes. Therefore, politicians should strive to ensure they are doing things that will get them votes and get them re-elected. They don't decide what to do based on personal feelings of right or wrong, but rather based on the popular sentiments and positions of the largest number of voters." I don't even necessarily disagree with Destiny on this when we apply it to a democracy. However, America is not and has never been a democracy. We don't vote on issues. We are a representative republic. Our representatives' number one priority while in office is not supposed to be getting votes. Getting votes is the point of a campaign. After you get elected, you are meant to serve the people. You actually are meant to use your personal sense of right and wrong (along with personal experience, knowledge, whatever other things) to make decisions in place of the people who voted for you. That is WHY they voted for you. They trust you to represent them. They trust that you actually do have a better ability to make the decision because you spend your time studying the necessary fields to do so. In the same way I choose a welder and trust him to weld my shit with little or no input on my part, i choose a political representative and trust them to represent my interests with little or no input on my part. This frees me up to specialize in whatever thing (presumably not welding or politics) i personally enjoy studying and working on. That is how the system is designed to work at least.
@@holy1to325 I do not think you realise that this is a mature and sadly rare view of electing representatives. Very few voters believe that there is any one on the planet that can have their interest in mind better than they can. (If a voter notices their representative makes a policy change they don't like, rather than trust their representative and their education they withdraw support and or in some cases even worse they over generalise complicated domestic and foreign policy, wildly outside their specialty and on some twisted stroke of narcissism refuse to support objectively better policy because it superficially harms their interest.) The average person is quick to forget how democracy is supposed to work the very moment it even slightly inconvencies them. It is in part why trust in politicians has been dying for a long while now and said cynicism is furthering the rot. And alas the only way to better the system is for there to be enough trust and empower an individual knowledgeable and able of fixing it - a combination even rarer than affordable housing these days. And as far as I have heard no country employs a fully democratic system, as in everyone votes on everything. Some countries allow the citizens more say. That said, democracy is only as strong as people's support for it, I'd argue they aren't in a country that is more democratic, simply that they are democratic people and their country and policies have come to represent that.
@@lazysod3 yes, but that very quickly becomes a problem with complex policy for long term economic growth for example. The person who decides what the best decision is is an economist, the person that in this case decides what policy actually gets through the voters because they do not trust the politicians enough not to withdraw their support if the policy appears bad even though most economists would beg to differ.
Holy fuck. Egypt is a mediterranean country, like Greece... The mediterranean being a much tighter area than the contenant of Africa. It was also a big mechanism of trade - the sea - and in turn, exchange.
Not quite. Google a picture of Anwar Sadat; he obviously has a lot of black African DNA. This isn't surprising. Of course there will be a lot of race mixing on a single land mass. But the point about Cleopatra stands as the ancient Ptolemies were notoriously inbred, let alone racially pure.
The Cleopatra documentary was so blatantly a-historical, I don't even know how the so-called "experts" could even call themselves that. Cleopatra herself was a Greek woman, because she was a part of the Ptolemaic dynasty. However it is also true that a sizeable amount of ancient Egypt's population was Nubian, who dwelled mostly in upper Egypt. And still do today. While the Egyptians of the Nile Delta had portions of people from modern day Libya, and south-west Asia, alongside Nubians from Upper Egypt. It is also true that ancient Egyptians were not "white" in any sense of the word. There are literally hieroglyphs that show the kinds of people that lived in ancient Egypt. Greeks and Romans didn't come to Egypt until the 300s BCE.
When i first saw that i laugh hard that egypt threatened or is (i cant recall) going to sue netflix. But yeh they should be incredibly accurate one's fingers bleed to make good works or just do animation to do historical documentaries if you ask me which i think be more simplier maybe
Yep, Egypt was a melting pot of cultures. During its earliest period though it was mainly Nile Valley African, Near Eastern and East African people that lived there and who were the foundation of ancient Egyptian culture.
2:12 “BWAAAHHHHAHA” Nothing about Hasan is Socialist, even his laugh is Capitalist 😂 I wish he would just stop his Socialism grift, it’s just embarrassing at this point.
Yeah, and partially it is about the ear ofc, and the brain we just simply never needed to distinguish stuff at the very low tones, so our hearing faculties never really had a pressure to evolve to do it. Every mic, and speak has its own overtones and harmonics.
I dont mind see i dont care if abe was turned black 😂 as long as we can turn dr king white 😂 see equality but we know how butthurt some get so we keep going lets hope a white dr king movie happens and see how many people crying over it hey just want some equality thought thats what the minorities fought for 😂
We’ve already seen what happens. There was huge outrage when Scarlett Johansson got cast in the ghost in a shell movie. They tried to get her to quit. 😂
@@k.ccomments3149 except in GitS, the creator made the MC, have a popular sold model as the body. Scarjo at peak would sell and be popular everywhere. It made in universe sense.
Cleopatra was of Greek descent. She was the descendent of Ptolemy the Macedonian general who Alexander the Great made Satrap of Egypt. Anyone arguing that Cleopatra was black is either misinformed or deliberately spreading misinformation.
Not gonna lie, the mic was a bit warm. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say "Muddy", but it was definitely a bit overwhelming on the bassy-tones, especially for listening with earbuds. Thank you for admitting your faults and improving yourself, it benefits yourself as much as it benefits us.
And it makes sense if you think about it since Egypt is right next to Israel and Mediterranean. And even if not, a continent is not a phenotype. Indians are Asian as much as Chinese people are. Yet Indians don’t ,,look Chinese”. Bc a continent can be diverse.
@nigelmcgiver2275 Well i read some study that concluded, that horn Africans are mostly admixed with Levantines that migrated from the levant towards north Africa and later to the horn between 30 to 10 thousand years ago.
People have a regarded view of history period, for centuries the kings and queens of different European, northern African, and near east areas weren't of the actual nation they were ruling over. Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian anyway. She was European. Intermarraige and appointment meant the "king of spain" didn't have to know a lick of Spanish etc
The claim was never "jews didn't exist in Egypt", the claim is "the jews were never enslaved en masse in Egypt" which is 100% true, there's zero archeological evidence that story happened.
*There is more genetic diversity within Africa than outside of it. Even IF we assume that Cleopatra had a Nubian mother, to have an actress of West African descent (half Jamaican) play an East African is more far off than to have an Irish person play a Korean character. In fact, it makes more sense to classify East Asians, Europeans, Arabs, Turks, and Native Americans as "white" (they all have lighter skin after all) than to call the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa "black"*
I agree with the first part completely, but the word "black" to me is just a broad description of an appearance. If you have some level of melanation, and some texture of curly hair, youre probably gonna be considered black. So from that, all "sub saharans" would be classed "black"
@@fourtyseven47572 And that dumb logic is exactly the reason why a Jamaican can now represent and East African woman. But I bet you wouldn't lump Asians, Arabs, Europeans, and native Americans under the category "white", eleven though you all have lighter skin, straight-wavy hair, and have less genetic differences than sub-Saharan Africans
@@fourtyseven47572 and this is exactly the same dumb logic that lead to a Jamaican Actress to be cast to represent an East African historical figure. By the same logic, the entire rest of the world outside of Africa (Turks, Europeans, East Asians, Arabs, Native Americans, etc.) should be lumped together as "whyt". You're all less melanated with mostly straight hair after all
@@Vasilia4 first idk why youre saying "youre all" im black lol. Second Turks and Europeans are whyt.... Arabs, Natives and East Asians arent whyt because no one considers them whyt. The reason I defined black the way I did is because I feel like its the most accurate way common people use the word - for appearance. Genuine question, can you give me a better definition of "black"?
@@fourtyseven47572 So appearance only applies outside of Africa? Native Americans and Asians are just as "whyt" as the rest of them by your metric. FYI, the fact that you think Turks look "whyt" but Asians don't shows how ignorant you are. Turks are Asians.
Jesus... So high I just tried to click on one of the videos on the side bar because I had LNOD playing on full screen.... 😅 Even waited for a moment because I thought the video was loading when I clicked on "We need to talk about Brexit" lol didn't even process the giant pause that popped up in the middle of the screen. I think it might be time for a glass of water, chips and a nap.
57:40 The vast majority of the Chinese in China would not consider those kids ethnically Chinese, but just straight-up foreigners who only grew up in China.
Right and they always worry about the west did they forget about the muslim group china wiped out 😂 geus when its not just crazy guys in white hoods but the government no one speaks up
@@dion5804it’s only confusing to westerners. In the rest of the world if you aren’t part of the majority ethnic group you ain’t national group, just a foreigner or immigrant
Please enlighten me were would u search on the internet ? Anything u type into google is going thru a biased at-least wikipedia most can change it and double check it so there is some honesty there
You expect him to pick up an academic textbook mid stream and start reading? At least he attempts to validate his opinions whereas so many other people just form an opinion and stick with it.
And Cleo wasn't "Greek" as in city/states, she was Macedonian, Daughter in the Line of Plotomic General beneath Alexander the great. These people forget The "Greeks" were subjects and overseen by the Macedonic armies. They were ruled by "northern barbaric Greeks" but they were two separate cultures, the Macedonians created a "nationstate" before the Greeks, they were individual city states besides the massive alliance they would form
My wife is Nigerian and she can’t stand the ghetto culture here. She is Catholic and very family oriented. Even going over there today it is amazing seeing the difference in culture. I can only speak for her family which is Igbo, but the way the family shames unwanted actions like single motherhood or drugs is a stark contrast to the US. Also D was spot on about how Africans see other Africans. In Nigeria there are three main tribes Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba. My wife can tell what tribe someone is from by looking at them most of the time. Also yes she looks like a goddess, lucky me.
@@ATSaalewrong. She was a model when she was young and that allowed her to move to Belgium. She became a Belgian citizen over 15 years and that allowed her to get a visa and then move to the US. Careful of assuming you know something about someone’s life that you have never met. I know what her family’s roundabout wealth is because I have been there. I have been to their village home in Enugu state and her mom’s little apartment in Lagos. We help take care of her mom since her father passed away a few years ago. I would say my evaluation of her financial status is a little more informed than yours sir.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a Nigerian parent who wasn’t super strict with their kids. There’s a reason why Nigerians are some of the most successful immigrants in the US.
Emma Vigeland kind of reminds me of a person that sees a show or movie where a person in Europe has darker skin, and goes "ReEeeEEEe! But it's Europe!! Everyone obviously were white!"
As an actor, I understand and agree with the race being correct because the look matters. What irritates me is when they say only gay actors should play gay characters or disabled people should only play disabled characters
I agrée race matters in terms of looks, but that’s only true to the extent that you can’t disguise looks. When you can disguise look and it’s worth doing so (as in it allows you to get a much better actor compared to the best actor of the suitable color that showed up), I don’t see an issue with using makeup to make up for the differences in shades of shape of some features. And to clarify yes I do mean going in both directions, if they put makeup on their cleopatra actress so that she looked whiter (and didn’t say all that stupid stuff about her being black) then no problem. The only exception I’d carve is just for historical or fictional characters whose race is extremely important beyond simply what they look like, so no white or Asian playing MLK for an obvious example ^^
@@nathanjora7627 Depends, of course you would want a good black actor (it's easier to do it in general), but if the guy doing MLK was 100% top notch the best actor possible I would not be against it. It's not like MLK is here to act as himself 😅
@@jumpergamer1913 « you would want a good black actor » Sure, but it’s a trade off question, for an average role I’d expect the distribution of good to bad actors to be such that the best actor for a role probably won’t be a black actor (in a country where they’re the minority obviously), at least on a skill level, so it’ll probably be worth it to forego the extra effort required to find someone who racially fits perfectly and just put makeup on a dude, but playing someone like MLK is anything but an average role so the extra effort will most likely be worth it.
IMO, race matters when the character had an established mainstream look already. Emma Watson is Hermione and race swapping her pulls you right out of the story when bald face political bait comes out. Or when race is a part of their story. Race swapping Arial and Triss just felt like such disingenuous bait when they could have just written a new character
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 Well hold on, there are two different things going on here, the race of the actor and the race of the character, which don’t need to be the same. Obviously you have animated movies where it’s easy to have race swapped actors but not characters, but we also know it’s possible for actual movies, you can do white face and black face and yellow face and whatever the name is for all the other color of the not-quite rainbow, so just do that, at least unless you have a good reason not to (such as adapting a character, real or fictional, whose race matters immensely beyond purely looks). Heck even race bending characters isn’t necessarily bad when it comes to adaptation, they could’ve made a black Ariel had they not tried to sell it as the live picture version of the animated movie.
it is well known that Cleopatra was the last Macedonian Queen of Egypt. She was the daughter of our Alexander’s general; General Ptolemy. These black americans need to stop claiming our figures
How tf do people not know cleopatra was greek? Egypt was kinda diverse but Cleopatra wasnt even from Egypt. I studied art history for a long time and even in depictions of her you can tell
Bassem Yousef guest hosted the Daily Show back in 2015 when Jon was on leave to direct a movie he wrote. Yousef did a really great job. I’d love to see a good faith convo with him and Destiny bc he seems like a genuine guy even if he might be off on some of his Palestine stances.
13:15 it’s not just the mic. It could also be the playback equipment. What people hear is a combination of the input and the output. Most lower end speakers or headphones don’t playback lower frequencies well. Look up the cumulative spectral decay of speakers and it’s obvious that lower frequencies are harder to keep under control during playback. There is a lot more acoustic energy in lower frequencies which tend to cause or exacerbate speaker resonances. Also, when the environment plays a huge role in the clarity of the playback, especially higher frequencies as those frequencies reflect back from hard surfaces much easier. That’s why room treatment is so important in a recording studio or a home theater. If you ever watch tv or movie and the voices sound muddy, it’s probably because the 100-200hz frequency range is reflecting off the back wall of your room. The reflect sound waves interfere with the direct sound waves from the speaker causing it to sound muddy. This is essentially how noise cancellation works. TLDR; without more information, it’s not possible to conclude the issue is with Destiny or the playback side.
There isn't historical evidence for much of anything in the ancient world going back 5000 years. The writings themselves are evidence (why make it up?) as are legends and spoken history but take it as you may. Forced labor (slavery) was used as punishment everywhere around the world to varying degrees. Semetic tribes were shepherds and so followed the grasslands. They might have wandered into Egypt (Sinai) and been punished with forced labor. It does not seem too hard to understand. The evidence to the contrary is about as thin (this was 5000 years ago!!) so believe what you want and why do you care?
Hey Destiny … Did you notice the similarity between the debate sorrounding cleopatras race and that of Israelis/Jewish people? Was she black was she white ? Middle eastern? Cleopatra was very disliked by the Romans. I highly doubt she looked like Tomi Lahren. She looked more like maybe a Gal Gadot
for the muddy vs crisp thing, for every octave you go up, the frequency doubles (1:2 frequency ratio), so lower notes have frequencies which are closer together, this is a lot of the reason multiple low notes played together sounds muddy :)
Yep, Jesus Hotep still claimed that Hannibal was a Sub-Saharan black man on the Joe Rogan experience. He also claimed that ejaculate had as many nutrients as a steak dinner
@@lampad4549greeks are basically if you mixed white features with arab features and they were tanned. ranging from bassems complexion to more white. he almost looks greek
Destiny, just a quick suggestion on the set: I think two or three tall potted plants (real of fake) right in front of the window would be great! Plants would add the color you are looking for and simultaneously breathe life into the room.
The same way you can differntiate stereotypical looking Swedish people from stereotypical looking spanish person or Sicilian or Irish. You can do the same with other parts of the world. Like they're stereotypical east African, South African, etc features. But of course there's always (a lot) of overlap.
There was definitely racism. Everything that is under North Africa is called a word that translates to black land. Sudan, Negroland, Guinea, Zanzibar, Aethiops (Burned Faces) even the Egyptians called the Nubians, “Nehesiu” and Nubia “Nehes” The Black People in the Black Land. Don’t let people lie to you. Just because they didn’t speak English doesn’t mean they didn’t have eyes.
Also, they never used the term "black" as race. Egypt was known as "Kemet" which means "black land" but that was probably in reference to the black soil
Having a word to refer to a group of people = racism? you're anti-western brain rot somehow made this into English speakers are somehow lying about this.
You’re not making Cleopatra black by making a shitty limited TV series about Cleopatra and casting a black woman. It’s just a piece of entertainment that literally nobody actually watched. It’s such an overblown controversy
@@danculbert6349 They keep doing it though is the thing. If it was a one time thing nobody would care. Now there have to be black vikings and black samurai in your show or they'll call you racist.
@@danculbert6349 Except they did all there advertising as a docuseries which means it's meant to be historical. It's not meant to be a fictional tv show. Did you not watch the video?
Pharoah Taharkan ruled during the 25th Dynasty, also known as Nubian Dynasty. They ruled Kush or Nubia or Moreo and conquered Egypt 754 BC - 654 BC. 26th Dynasty was the last native dynasty before being conquered by the Persian Empire.
Okay, the problem isn't that she thinks everyone from the African continent is black, it's that she is willfully being dishonest about the criticism Shapiro is making. She must know that Ben knows where Egypt is. He isn't, for all his faults, an uneducated person. His point isn't that Cleopatra wasn't black because she was ethnically Egyptian (which, if she were, would indicate at least the possibility that she could have been black) but that Cleopatra's ancestry was predominantly Greek and she had no Egyptian bloodline, suggesting she almost certainly had a Mediterranean complexion. I notice this a lot in "debates". I don't know what the technical name for it would be-maybe a non sequitur. It's related to a Strawman argument, but instead of a weaker argument it entirely ignores the argument and makes a tangential point. Like, "Cleopatra was probably white because her lineage was Greek, and had no African/Egyptian ancestry." And as a retort you go, "Yeah, but Egypt is in Africa, and Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen. Therefore, you’d have to be dumb to rule out the possibility she was black." The point makes sense only if you entirely ignore the initial argument.
"Isnt an actor's job to act" Is a funny line of reasoning to apply in a debate over casting a black woman to play a nonblack historical figure. Next lets get a black man to play Napoleon. Direction "act white french"
STOP SHOWING VIDEOS AT 2x speed while talking at regular speed! How am I supposed to listen to this at 2x speed when the video in the video then becomes 4x speed while being interupted by regular speed talking?!
This guy is literally called the Egyptian Jon Stewart. He's absolutely a propagandist. He hides all of his propaganda behind the fact that he's very funny.
She was born in Egypt, lived in Egypt and ruled Egypt. I'd say she was about as Egyptian as any given president of the USA is American. None of them are native American, but we're not going to call Biden a Irish president now, are we? On top of that, it's been centuries since the Ptolemy dynasty started their rule over Egypt, very possible for one of Cleopatra's descendants to have married/had children with a native Egyptian.
This whole meme about Myron trying to replace fresh with destiny got me thinking, man, how cool would a podcast with that dynamic would be? Just imagine, Myron & Destiny, Hasan & Destiny, Shapiro & Destiny, Sam Hyde & Hasan, Sam Hyde & Destiny, Nick & Destiny etc. I feel like if they can manage keeping a relation, the "middle ground" that they would inevitably come to, would be an ultimate middle ground that pretty much everyone (Or the largest portion/spectrum of people) would agree with.
Myron is way too soft, he'd get mad when destiny called him out on his bull shit. The guy gets mad at aba because he came to Myron's house for one podcast and Myron thinks he's supposed to back up Myron on his idiocy.
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Destiny Arabs are Caucasion, from the Indo-European family. They can have colored eyes and hair.
Indonesians aren't, you have to speak the Arabic language to be Arab. So the religious ones can.
White has been a thing for a while. But Sub-Saharan Africans aka blacks haven't been apart of the worlds history in the old world outside of has slaves, until very recently.
When the white liberals used the term African American it caused them to think Africa= Black. They have some weird chip on their shoulder about stuff and now are trying to actually steal history, which makes the stereotypes about them seem more true to everyday people.
Bro i live in Detroit with many BP, and I can tell you black folks are the most racist these days. They think the Moors are black because of the couple slave armies they had that a Spaniard ignorantly used that to describe them all. But black back then meant black hair, like swarthy.
The American blacks are using Presentism to look at the past like they are kids, and it's making people mock them more. This nonsense needs to stop
Destiny playing Cleopatra would be more historically accurate than a black woman playing her.
Destiny is the only black queen I need in my life
But... Destiny is a black woman's name..??
**ban evaded**
peope were shorter back then
"a black woman playing cleopatra would be more historically accurate than a black woman playing her" is what you just said
The movie wasn't just casting a black actor though. The movie was stating outright that Cleopatra was historically black. Which is just false.
Jesus was a brown man.
@@juanjones6463 brown, like the Arabs? That turn basically white if they're out of the scorching sun for a year?
@@juanjones6463literally no proof of that
Maybe she identified as black (women can have johnsons btw)
@@juanjones6463 Jesus was a Jewish man from the Middle East. People in the Middle East don't have brown skin, they have an olive skin complexion which is commonly seen in Mediterranean countries, so you're wrong.
Cleopatra is not from 5000 years ago. She's from roughly 2000 years ago.
She was closer to us now, than to when the pyramids were built.
Yeah she was the mistress of both Julius Caesar and Marc Antony. Doesn't everyone know this?
Cleopatra was Greek. Her family didn’t even come from Egypt originally.
Mr DREWLLi.... have you been on Wikipedia???
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@@phillipoliverholtz9226is this an argument
@@markpozsar5785 just imagine Norm is saying it
Not only that, she was the only royal Egyptian that spoke Egyptian, while the rest only spoke Greek
Considering Cleopatra is Greek, it would make sense for a whyte woman to play her. What drives me the most crazy about this is if it was ever a swap the other way, people would lose their minds (ie Ryan Gosling playing MLK). The amount of red heads that have been replaced is ridiculous.
It's an issue due to lack of education on the subject. Most black people I know who are offended by the idea of a white Cleopatra just genuinely don't know that she was, indeed, white. Let's not act like America has the most expansive history classes - it's just a topic that isn't really covered. I've explained to some of my own friends and family that Cleopatra was white and there's two responses: 1) I didn't know that - I guess white Cleo makes sense; OR 2) they're just telling you she's white - it's AFRICA, she HAS to be black. I get the first response the majority of the time - the second response comes from people who believe 5g conspiracies and aren't vaccinated.
Black or pasty white Cleopatra is Mediterranean erasure (yes I’m serious).
That said, I think white people playing black people will become accepted eventually as racism and its consequences subside.
Ya she was majority Greek, but to be more accurate a quarter to half Persian and Iranian aswell.
I’m willing to bet most Egyptians today don’t think of themselves as African or North African.
Well i would say a greek or i guess a modern egyptian specifically really then a america/europe woman unless they are super good actress and they look like an old greek woman i guess?
If an Egyptian says it bothers them that Cleopatra is black then maybe we should listen. It's their culture being documented.
Are u serious? Honestly can’t tell if ur memeing or not.
@@Stav6 Yeah, I am serious
@@adamyoung8900 that’s wild bro
Ironically, she’s not even Egyptian. The blood line is well documented, and is descended from one of Alexander the Great’s Greek generals.
Divorcelli is great
MISTER MORELLI!
Yeah credit where it’s due, whichever hasan chatter came up with that was cooking
I dunno, just doesn't rly have that much of a ring to it. Too many consonants. Am I crazy?
@@drearmouse9510that makes it funnier imo
@@vvvictoriav5958 Ha, could be.
Cleopatra, along with the rest of house of Ptolemy, was Greek. This is a matter of historical record, people should open a high school level book on a topic before they go on TV to debate it.
“I don’t care what people tell me, MLK was white.”
-My totally not insane and not racist grandfather
He ain’t white but for some reason far right people like to quote him.
Beats me why…
/s
But it’s African that’s the Black place?
thats where these starving children in rags come from right? i see them all the time on the tv.
Not North Africa. Never was .
@@flory.xafter whyte demons stole everything because they were in caves in a mountain when the rest of the world was civilized so there’s always full stories… Let me guess… you think whyte ppl are The original Jews too. Whyte ppl even had to steal religion (painting black characters whyte. Putin has a clue 😂) because they had none. They took critical thinking out of schools so ppl like you can flourish.😂😂
@@acaydia2982lol do you mean after whyte ppl ravished it and then renamed it?
@@numerologicatarot3333if you're too weak to keep your shit, you lose it.
Destiny saying he met no black people in Sweden must 100% mean he never left the hotel.
WDYM? You literally seen him sit there and gnome out on stream, why we even gotta pretend he left his room much lmfao
Yeah like 1 in 7 swedes are African 😂
I dont think Macedonians are black.
Yep. Macedonians belong to Caucasian race.
I don’t think Egyptians are white
@@AY-gi3rr true also Cleopatra is not an Egyptian.
@@AY-gi3rr Egyptians become Arab when they get conquered, there once was a time where White people weren't thought of as being American buddy ol pal
@@AY-gi3rrwell duh captain obvious anyone knows that did u think u were smart typing this out?
If you raceswap anyone, fictional or non fictional, that has a well known popular aesthetic look, people that love those characters will be pissed, no it doesn't mean they're racist, they just want to see the character they know be RECOGNISABLE as that character and YES that includes skin tone. Could most people live with a raceswap? Sure but I think most people would prefer the character you're recreating in a new medium to actually LOOK like the character they know from the source material, simple as that.
Agree with everything you said, another layer is depending on if a characters looks/heritage have importance to the story line. For example, if Pocahontas was played by a white person. Not only would people be pissed because that's not what she looked like, but one of the biggest plot points is that because they looked different is why they were known as savages and what not. People aren't mad that Ariel was played by a nonwhite person, they were mad that her signature hair wasn't "firetruck red" and the movie overall looked bad. People are mad that Rapunzel is going to be potentially played by a nonwhite person just because her hair being blonde is a massive plot point, and people are worried that the actor they have in mind will get stuck with an awful looking wig.
It’s also the fact that there is a trend pushing for white characters to be swapped, intentions matter.
No, this is nonsense. People are fine with reimagining a story by changing the setting, the timeline or what have you. They only have this unhinged response when you change the race. Hmm i wonder why that is?
Jesus was a brown man. But that’s not what are culture tell us😅
I concur. If somebody made Bishop, Spawn, or Storm white, I wouldn't watch it.
Also on the rowling Hermoinie thing:
The books: "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."
maybe she was sick??? maybe she has vitiligo??? not everyone with a white face is white
JK: “SHE WAS ALWAYS A BLACK QUEEN”
Wasn't this "white" face meant more like white with fear? I think that was the context of the sentence. But I can't remember exactly.
@@Notsogoodguitarguy It's a colour descriptor of her face, I've never seen a black person's face go white from fear.
@@Notsogoodguitarguy yeah I don’t know why people always use that as their evidence. Especially when you don’t even need to open the books to find proof. Every single book that has Hermione in the cover art has her portrayed as white.
Havent watched the video but i already know that it is fact that Cleopatra was not “black.”
Cleopatra turns me on
Cleopatra turns me on
😂 👍
Where is that fact at? Where did she get COLOR from. We know for a fact SHE WASNT WHITE.
@@Atrocities85The only fact is she is a person of color and is not white in any way!!!!!
Holy shit we need a bit more editing here, can we please cut shit that isn't the topic of the video?
No destiny needs more precious watch time
It's like watching inside a psychosis.
I love how the defense becomes “who cares about this”, when they would have had an entire episode if Mansa Musa or Ghengis Khan was casted as a white guy, and Twitter would lose its mind. I’m sure Egyptians are not happy.
Why is Hamas Piker always eating?
Former fat kid
Because in the capitalist system he's forced to slave away at his job. He doesn't have time to eat outside of work.
True, and it triggers me when he sucks his fingers. Use a napkin ffs
Because he has to cook his chicken quickly and hastily to stream in time
gotta keep his gainz
that intro about Bassem Youssef is just insane
Destiny got mogged by Bassem and you can tell by his seething
Destiny falls flat on race swapping the reason afro samurai get no flack is because he is his own original character in a fantasy samurai setting. the only time race swapping gets brought up is for something that calls itself historically accurate and for already existing characters changed so the creator. We'd never make luke cage or mace windu white so why do it with other races.
They could have made a sequal to little mermaid, or focused on carriabean mermaids. Ariel is called back to the sea and has to act like a mediator, between her father, other mermaids and humans. And thus black mermaids exist, without changing Ariel.
Your right it wouldnt happen the other way cause of political correctness,but is what is poltically correct make it right or wrong? I dont think so. In princinple they should be able to they just wont do it, they did in the past and certainly worked back then.
@@117Enderthen why even call it little mermaid ? why even set in the same universe? Why not just create a new original story? To say that only certain races of people should be allowed to play certain fictional characters seems unfair?
@@lampad4549 well the little mermaid is a swedish folktale, thats like saying african folktales should be raceswapped, if theres an african folktale about mermaids, then sure, but the little mermaid, originated as a swedish tale, and then got disneyifed.
They make colored characters white all the time. Historical ones too. Just look at Jesus.
Watching Destiny having his mind blown by just how ancient the pyramids are was really satisfying. That was pretty much my reaction too when I first learned that and I’ve been really into ancient Egypt ever since. I recommend Paul Cooper’s recent episode on the Fall of Civilizations podcast if you want to learn more about that time period.
Destiny is just not correct on his assertions about how democratically elected leaders shouldn't be striving to do the right thing. At least if we are talking about America. It is the classic blunder of confusing our representative republic with a true democracy. We don't vote on issues, we vote on representatives. Once a politician gets elected they are meant to do what is right as a representative of the people that elected them, not continuously update their positions to appeal to the most future voters.
"Once a politician gets elected they are meant to do what is right as a representative of the people that elected them, not continuously update their positions to appeal to the most future voters." Politicians that don't appeal to enough voters don't exist, so every politician that is currently in power has and or will change their positions to maintain it. So yes you are correct in such case it may not be necessary nor right to betray the that voted you in because the bar to maintain power is not a necessarily majority vote of the entire country.
However put in context with destiny talking about a countries foreign policy reflecting the desires of its most influential/numerous populace, what Destiny was most likely talking about was macro politics in which democratically elected leaders shouldn't be striving to do the right thing and in fact change the positions to the most future voters, because they wouldn't have enough power to decide foreign policy otherwise and therefore the only foreign policy that is able to be decided isn't the that's right just the that has the most support.
@@failedspark6643 i understand Destiny's point (i think at least). As far as i can tell he is saying "In a democracy, the primary job of a politcian is to get votes. Therefore, politicians should strive to ensure they are doing things that will get them votes and get them re-elected. They don't decide what to do based on personal feelings of right or wrong, but rather based on the popular sentiments and positions of the largest number of voters."
I don't even necessarily disagree with Destiny on this when we apply it to a democracy. However, America is not and has never been a democracy. We don't vote on issues. We are a representative republic. Our representatives' number one priority while in office is not supposed to be getting votes. Getting votes is the point of a campaign. After you get elected, you are meant to serve the people. You actually are meant to use your personal sense of right and wrong (along with personal experience, knowledge, whatever other things) to make decisions in place of the people who voted for you. That is WHY they voted for you. They trust you to represent them. They trust that you actually do have a better ability to make the decision because you spend your time studying the necessary fields to do so.
In the same way I choose a welder and trust him to weld my shit with little or no input on my part, i choose a political representative and trust them to represent my interests with little or no input on my part. This frees me up to specialize in whatever thing (presumably not welding or politics) i personally enjoy studying and working on. That is how the system is designed to work at least.
@@holy1to325 I do not think you realise that this is a mature and sadly rare view of electing representatives. Very few voters believe that there is any one on the planet that can have their interest in mind better than they can. (If a voter notices their representative makes a policy change they don't like, rather than trust their representative and their education they withdraw support and or in some cases even worse they over generalise complicated domestic and foreign policy, wildly outside their specialty and on some twisted stroke of narcissism refuse to support objectively better policy because it superficially harms their interest.)
The average person is quick to forget how democracy is supposed to work the very moment it even slightly inconvencies them.
It is in part why trust in politicians has been dying for a long while now and said cynicism is furthering the rot. And alas the only way to better the system is for there to be enough trust and empower an individual knowledgeable and able of fixing it - a combination even rarer than affordable housing these days.
And as far as I have heard no country employs a fully democratic system, as in everyone votes on everything. Some countries allow the citizens more say. That said, democracy is only as strong as people's support for it, I'd argue they aren't in a country that is more democratic, simply that they are democratic people and their country and policies have come to represent that.
Who decides what the “right” decision is? The people who voted for them.
@@lazysod3 yes, but that very quickly becomes a problem with complex policy for long term economic growth for example. The person who decides what the best decision is is an economist, the person that in this case decides what policy actually gets through the voters because they do not trust the politicians enough not to withdraw their support if the policy appears bad even though most economists would beg to differ.
Holy fuck.
Egypt is a mediterranean country, like Greece... The mediterranean being a much tighter area than the contenant of Africa. It was also a big mechanism of trade - the sea - and in turn, exchange.
Sub Sahara Africa and Egypt are as similar as Indian and japan.
Not quite. Google a picture of Anwar Sadat; he obviously has a lot of black African DNA. This isn't surprising. Of course there will be a lot of race mixing on a single land mass. But the point about Cleopatra stands as the ancient Ptolemies were notoriously inbred, let alone racially pure.
Thanks!
Gooning right now im strokin it
Based
True!
That's the most reasonable take so far
Bro's straight jorkin it rn
You got a patreon?
The Cleopatra documentary was so blatantly a-historical, I don't even know how the so-called "experts" could even call themselves that. Cleopatra herself was a Greek woman, because she was a part of the Ptolemaic dynasty. However it is also true that a sizeable amount of ancient Egypt's population was Nubian, who dwelled mostly in upper Egypt. And still do today. While the Egyptians of the Nile Delta had portions of people from modern day Libya, and south-west Asia, alongside Nubians from Upper Egypt. It is also true that ancient Egyptians were not "white" in any sense of the word. There are literally hieroglyphs that show the kinds of people that lived in ancient Egypt. Greeks and Romans didn't come to Egypt until the 300s BCE.
When i first saw that i laugh hard that egypt threatened or is (i cant recall) going to sue netflix. But yeh they should be incredibly accurate one's fingers bleed to make good works or just do animation to do historical documentaries if you ask me which i think be more simplier maybe
Yep, Egypt was a melting pot of cultures. During its earliest period though it was mainly Nile Valley African, Near Eastern and East African people that lived there and who were the foundation of ancient Egyptian culture.
@@WoodenChurch_041 what in the Lord is your diction? You must be typing like that on purpose, no?
@@BlooCollaGal huh? Whats wrong with animation?
Bro the people talking about this have never heard of a single Noun you just used
2:12 “BWAAAHHHHAHA”
Nothing about Hasan is Socialist, even his laugh is Capitalist 😂
I wish he would just stop his Socialism grift, it’s just embarrassing at this point.
The Song was a prelude by Bach made popular by an Ave Maria by Gounod.
Yeah, and partially it is about the ear ofc, and the brain we just simply never needed to distinguish stuff at the very low tones, so our hearing faculties never really had a pressure to evolve to do it. Every mic, and speak has its own overtones and harmonics.
Imagine we have a movie about The Underground Railroad and Harriet Tubman is played by Margot Robbie.
Is that cool?
That kaboose would move beautifully on the Underground Railroad 🚞
I dont mind see i dont care if abe was turned black 😂 as long as we can turn dr king white 😂 see equality but we know how butthurt some get so we keep going lets hope a white dr king movie happens and see how many people crying over it hey just want some equality thought thats what the minorities fought for 😂
Would have freed more black men with all that cake...
We’ve already seen what happens. There was huge outrage when Scarlett Johansson got cast in the ghost in a shell movie. They tried to get her to quit. 😂
@@k.ccomments3149 except in GitS, the creator made the MC, have a popular sold model as the body. Scarjo at peak would sell and be popular everywhere. It made in universe sense.
When does the Daliban start raiding Hassan videos of him talking about Destiny with comments like: “Not obsessed” and “Rent Free”..?
We don't because we don't want to be as unintelligent as the Hassan viewers.
Cleopatra was of Greek descent. She was the descendent of Ptolemy the Macedonian general who Alexander the Great made Satrap of Egypt. Anyone arguing that Cleopatra was black is either misinformed or deliberately spreading misinformation.
That reminds me. How is the Egypt vs Netflix lawsuit going?
Hassan desperately trying to pretend like destiny isn’t on his mind 24/7 is hilarious to see. I had a good belly laugh.
Undoubtedly true, I bet he sleeps with a poster of destiny above his bed to remind him to dream of destiny. 🤣
Bro probably was thinking for weeks on that "Divocelli" comment lmao
@@Decapent_Tater to be fair that was pretty damn funny lol
he can't escape his destiny
HA HA HA HA HA.
-Hasan
Emma's mind would get blow if she ever looked up how the US government considers middle eastern, and north african ethnic groups as white.
And “Mexicans” and “Italians”
She definitely read the wiki article on Africa.
21:35 It’s Prelude in C Major by Bach :)
Not gonna lie, the mic was a bit warm.
I wouldn't go quite so far as to say "Muddy", but it was definitely a bit overwhelming on the bassy-tones, especially for listening with earbuds.
Thank you for admitting your faults and improving yourself, it benefits yourself as much as it benefits us.
Ngl Divorcelli is hilarious
Ancient Egyptians were most closely related to the countries of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq -Max Planck institute
And it makes sense if you think about it since Egypt is right next to Israel and Mediterranean.
And even if not, a continent is not a phenotype.
Indians are Asian as much as Chinese people are. Yet Indians don’t ,,look Chinese”. Bc a continent can be diverse.
@@R2d2.. Exactly, Russia is in Asia but no one would say most Russian's look Asian.
Aren't they also related to somalis and Ethiopians?
@nigelmcgiver2275 Well i read some study that concluded, that horn Africans are mostly admixed with Levantines that migrated from the levant towards north Africa and later to the horn between 30 to 10 thousand years ago.
Turkey was not a thing at that time. There were greeks living there
Destiny was thinking of Bach's Prelude in C
People have a regarded view of history period, for centuries the kings and queens of different European, northern African, and near east areas weren't of the actual nation they were ruling over. Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian anyway. She was European. Intermarraige and appointment meant the "king of spain" didn't have to know a lick of Spanish etc
Him claiming Jews didnt exist in Egypt then quickly googling then proven wrong is HILARIOUS lol.
The claim was never "jews didn't exist in Egypt", the claim is "the jews were never enslaved en masse in Egypt" which is 100% true, there's zero archeological evidence that story happened.
*There is more genetic diversity within Africa than outside of it. Even IF we assume that Cleopatra had a Nubian mother, to have an actress of West African descent (half Jamaican) play an East African is more far off than to have an Irish person play a Korean character. In fact, it makes more sense to classify East Asians, Europeans, Arabs, Turks, and Native Americans as "white" (they all have lighter skin after all) than to call the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa "black"*
I agree with the first part completely, but the word "black" to me is just a broad description of an appearance. If you have some level of melanation, and some texture of curly hair, youre probably gonna be considered black. So from that, all "sub saharans" would be classed "black"
@@fourtyseven47572 And that dumb logic is exactly the reason why a Jamaican can now represent and East African woman. But I bet you wouldn't lump Asians, Arabs, Europeans, and native Americans under the category "white", eleven though you all have lighter skin, straight-wavy hair, and have less genetic differences than sub-Saharan Africans
@@fourtyseven47572 and this is exactly the same dumb logic that lead to a Jamaican Actress to be cast to represent an East African historical figure. By the same logic, the entire rest of the world outside of Africa (Turks, Europeans, East Asians, Arabs, Native Americans, etc.) should be lumped together as "whyt". You're all less melanated with mostly straight hair after all
@@Vasilia4 first idk why youre saying "youre all" im black lol. Second Turks and Europeans are whyt.... Arabs, Natives and East Asians arent whyt because no one considers them whyt. The reason I defined black the way I did is because I feel like its the most accurate way common people use the word - for appearance. Genuine question, can you give me a better definition of "black"?
@@fourtyseven47572 So appearance only applies outside of Africa? Native Americans and Asians are just as "whyt" as the rest of them by your metric. FYI, the fact that you think Turks look "whyt" but Asians don't shows how ignorant you are. Turks are Asians.
Jesus... So high I just tried to click on one of the videos on the side bar because I had LNOD playing on full screen.... 😅 Even waited for a moment because I thought the video was loading when I clicked on "We need to talk about Brexit" lol didn't even process the giant pause that popped up in the middle of the screen. I think it might be time for a glass of water, chips and a nap.
57:40 The vast majority of the Chinese in China would not consider those kids ethnically Chinese, but just straight-up foreigners who only grew up in China.
Right and they always worry about the west did they forget about the muslim group china wiped out 😂 geus when its not just crazy guys in white hoods but the government no one speaks up
These ethnic discussions are so confusing and difficult. It's even more crazy when we think that we're all relatives in the end.
@@dion5804 In my opinion it's all just a mix of convention, familiarity, and power games. Identity, in a word.
@@dion5804it’s only confusing to westerners. In the rest of the world if you aren’t part of the majority ethnic group you ain’t national group, just a foreigner or immigrant
I love it when Mr. Borelli went to check for Indonesia (are they arabs or not) the first thing he did was to open up Wikipedia :D
Please enlighten me were would u search on the internet ? Anything u type into google is going thru a biased at-least wikipedia most can change it and double check it so there is some honesty there
@@walterlaten7662 sure I agree but at this point it also became a meme 🥲🥲😂
Mister Bernelli is a wikeepedia warrior
You expect him to pick up an academic textbook mid stream and start reading?
At least he attempts to validate his opinions whereas so many other people just form an opinion and stick with it.
And Cleo wasn't "Greek" as in city/states, she was Macedonian, Daughter in the Line of Plotomic General beneath Alexander the great. These people forget The "Greeks" were subjects and overseen by the Macedonic armies. They were ruled by "northern barbaric Greeks" but they were two separate cultures, the Macedonians created a "nationstate" before the Greeks, they were individual city states besides the massive alliance they would form
Why is he saying "chattle slavery" I was so confused.
Divorcelli is too layered a riff, he just needs to be friends with him again if he’s gonna be that invested
Fr that’s like three layers of inside jokes in destinys community
My wife is Nigerian and she can’t stand the ghetto culture here. She is Catholic and very family oriented. Even going over there today it is amazing seeing the difference in culture. I can only speak for her family which is Igbo, but the way the family shames unwanted actions like single motherhood or drugs is a stark contrast to the US. Also D was spot on about how Africans see other Africans. In Nigeria there are three main tribes Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba. My wife can tell what tribe someone is from by looking at them most of the time. Also yes she looks like a goddess, lucky me.
That's how wealthy people act everywhere
@@ATSaaleshe is not what I would call wealthy. Her family isn’t poor but I would say they are middle class for Nigeria.
@@albeon81 wealthy enough to move to America
@@ATSaalewrong. She was a model when she was young and that allowed her to move to Belgium. She became a Belgian citizen over 15 years and that allowed her to get a visa and then move to the US. Careful of assuming you know something about someone’s life that you have never met. I know what her family’s roundabout wealth is because I have been there. I have been to their village home in Enugu state and her mom’s little apartment in Lagos. We help take care of her mom since her father passed away a few years ago. I would say my evaluation of her financial status is a little more informed than yours sir.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a Nigerian parent who wasn’t super strict with their kids. There’s a reason why Nigerians are some of the most successful immigrants in the US.
I've heard multiple black people say the same thing about Africa. They really think Africa equals black
Black peepo
Emma Vigeland kind of reminds me of a person that sees a show or movie where a person in Europe has darker skin, and goes "ReEeeEEEe! But it's Europe!! Everyone obviously were white!"
There's a difference between darker skin and different race. I can go from Casper to Dwayne Johnson depending on how long I'm in the Sun
As an actor, I understand and agree with the race being correct because the look matters. What irritates me is when they say only gay actors should play gay characters or disabled people should only play disabled characters
I agrée race matters in terms of looks, but that’s only true to the extent that you can’t disguise looks.
When you can disguise look and it’s worth doing so (as in it allows you to get a much better actor compared to the best actor of the suitable color that showed up), I don’t see an issue with using makeup to make up for the differences in shades of shape of some features.
And to clarify yes I do mean going in both directions, if they put makeup on their cleopatra actress so that she looked whiter (and didn’t say all that stupid stuff about her being black) then no problem.
The only exception I’d carve is just for historical or fictional characters whose race is extremely important beyond simply what they look like, so no white or Asian playing MLK for an obvious example ^^
@@nathanjora7627 Depends, of course you would want a good black actor (it's easier to do it in general), but if the guy doing MLK was 100% top notch the best actor possible I would not be against it. It's not like MLK is here to act as himself 😅
@@jumpergamer1913 « you would want a good black actor »
Sure, but it’s a trade off question, for an average role I’d expect the distribution of good to bad actors to be such that the best actor for a role probably won’t be a black actor (in a country where they’re the minority obviously), at least on a skill level, so it’ll probably be worth it to forego the extra effort required to find someone who racially fits perfectly and just put makeup on a dude, but playing someone like MLK is anything but an average role so the extra effort will most likely be worth it.
IMO, race matters when the character had an established mainstream look already. Emma Watson is Hermione and race swapping her pulls you right out of the story when bald face political bait comes out. Or when race is a part of their story. Race swapping Arial and Triss just felt like such disingenuous bait when they could have just written a new character
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 Well hold on, there are two different things going on here, the race of the actor and the race of the character, which don’t need to be the same.
Obviously you have animated movies where it’s easy to have race swapped actors but not characters, but we also know it’s possible for actual movies, you can do white face and black face and yellow face and whatever the name is for all the other color of the not-quite rainbow, so just do that, at least unless you have a good reason not to (such as adapting a character, real or fictional, whose race matters immensely beyond purely looks).
Heck even race bending characters isn’t necessarily bad when it comes to adaptation, they could’ve made a black Ariel had they not tried to sell it as the live picture version of the animated movie.
it is well known that Cleopatra was the last Macedonian Queen of Egypt. She was the daughter of our Alexander’s general; General Ptolemy. These black americans need to stop claiming our figures
Ironically this guy has about as much claim to Egyptian heritage as Africans, as neither are really descended from the Coptic peoples of Egypt
Egyptian people ARE African.
How tf do people not know cleopatra was greek? Egypt was kinda diverse but Cleopatra wasnt even from Egypt. I studied art history for a long time and even in depictions of her you can tell
You say that as if Greek is a specific look or skin pigment.
@@KingstonHawkewell it definitely ain’t black bro
@@KingstonHawke It ranges from olive (my skin color) to pale white.
@@Stav6 Define black. Is Blake Griffin black?
@@thedarknessunderneathpodca6366 I don’t know what you mean by “olive”. You have to give me examples of celebrities.
Mr.Divorcelli makes some good points here
1:55 Divorcestiny is my favorite Evolved form so far
Bassem Yousef guest hosted the Daily Show back in 2015 when Jon was on leave to direct a movie he wrote. Yousef did a really great job. I’d love to see a good faith convo with him and Destiny bc he seems like a genuine guy even if he might be off on some of his Palestine stances.
13:15 it’s not just the mic. It could also be the playback equipment. What people hear is a combination of the input and the output. Most lower end speakers or headphones don’t playback lower frequencies well. Look up the cumulative spectral decay of speakers and it’s obvious that lower frequencies are harder to keep under control during playback. There is a lot more acoustic energy in lower frequencies which tend to cause or exacerbate speaker resonances.
Also, when the environment plays a huge role in the clarity of the playback, especially higher frequencies as those frequencies reflect back from hard surfaces much easier. That’s why room treatment is so important in a recording studio or a home theater. If you ever watch tv or movie and the voices sound muddy, it’s probably because the 100-200hz frequency range is reflecting off the back wall of your room. The reflect sound waves interfere with the direct sound waves from the speaker causing it to sound muddy. This is essentially how noise cancellation works.
TLDR; without more information, it’s not possible to conclude the issue is with Destiny or the playback side.
There isn't historical evidence for much of anything in the ancient world going back 5000 years. The writings themselves are evidence (why make it up?) as are legends and spoken history but take it as you may. Forced labor (slavery) was used as punishment everywhere around the world to varying degrees. Semetic tribes were shepherds and so followed the grasslands. They might have wandered into Egypt (Sinai) and been punished with forced labor. It does not seem too hard to understand. The evidence to the contrary is about as thin (this was 5000 years ago!!) so believe what you want and why do you care?
>why make it up?
So do you believe all myths at once? Even when they contradict each other.
What a troglodyte way of thinking
Not only Cleopatra was born in Egypt, she was of Greek origins
Greek Lady rules Egypt... MUST BE A BLACK WOMEN THEN. This world is so done.
Hey Destiny … Did you notice the similarity between the debate sorrounding cleopatras race and that of Israelis/Jewish people? Was she black was she white ? Middle eastern? Cleopatra was very disliked by the Romans. I highly doubt she looked like Tomi Lahren. She looked more like maybe a Gal Gadot
for the muddy vs crisp thing, for every octave you go up, the frequency doubles (1:2 frequency ratio), so lower notes have frequencies which are closer together, this is a lot of the reason multiple low notes played together sounds muddy :)
Omg I thought you said “muddy vs crispy” for a second 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They tries this crap with Hannibal Barca too
Yep, Jesus Hotep still claimed that Hannibal was a Sub-Saharan black man on the Joe Rogan experience. He also claimed that ejaculate had as many nutrients as a steak dinner
The mortification I feel every time he intentionally stops paying attention to the video, just to replay that section.
"no black people in sweden" wtf where the hell was he? plenty of black people in sweden. Gonna depend a lot where you are though.
He was in the hotelroom 24/7. The only black person there was our strong independent woman.
Cleopatra was macedonian greek, saying she wasn’t white is objectively racist
She probably wasnt white, she probably arab or turkish like. Idk what greek generally look like.
@@lampad4549greeks are basically if you mixed white features with arab features and they were tanned. ranging from bassems complexion to more white. he almost looks greek
@@lampad4549 Theres a term for this: olive skinned
@@lampad4549 Greeks are quite white, with pale to olive skin. She had a grandfather/great grandfather who was blonde.
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Destiny, just a quick suggestion on the set: I think two or three tall potted plants (real of fake) right in front of the window would be great!
Plants would add the color you are looking for and simultaneously breathe life into the room.
Last Year on Destiny
The same way you can differntiate stereotypical looking Swedish people from stereotypical looking spanish person or Sicilian or Irish. You can do the same with other parts of the world. Like they're stereotypical east African, South African, etc features. But of course there's always (a lot) of overlap.
Paying $40,000 a year to go to high school gets you the analysis “look where Egypt is, it’s in Africa”
I don’t think your characterization of Bassem is fair
Not even Divorstiny? lol
There was definitely racism.
Everything that is under North Africa is called a word that translates to black land.
Sudan, Negroland, Guinea, Zanzibar, Aethiops (Burned Faces) even the Egyptians called the Nubians, “Nehesiu” and Nubia “Nehes”
The Black People in the Black Land.
Don’t let people lie to you. Just because they didn’t speak English doesn’t mean they didn’t have eyes.
Pointing out someone has a different tone skin is not racism, maybe if treated differently for that reason is
Nehesi just means true Nubian, or possibly snake as snakes were related to magic and Nubians were seen as magicians.
Also, they never used the term "black" as race. Egypt was known as "Kemet" which means "black land" but that was probably in reference to the black soil
Having a word to refer to a group of people = racism? you're anti-western brain rot somehow made this into English speakers are somehow lying about this.
@fourtyseven47572 Blk land is different than "burnt faces"
It is funny when Evangelicals claim the earth is 4000 years old
The more of this content I watch the more I believe destiny is in love with his own voice and argues just to argue
Lets make Abe Lincoln black and dr king white perfect solution and see which community cries more 😂
You’re not making Cleopatra black by making a shitty limited TV series about Cleopatra and casting a black woman. It’s just a piece of entertainment that literally nobody actually watched. It’s such an overblown controversy
@@danculbert6349 They keep doing it though is the thing. If it was a one time thing nobody would care. Now there have to be black vikings and black samurai in your show or they'll call you racist.
@@pdpgb Who’s “they”?
@@danculbert6349Hollywood? What do you mean by they?
@@danculbert6349 Except they did all there advertising as a docuseries which means it's meant to be historical. It's not meant to be a fictional tv show. Did you not watch the video?
Divorcelli
Lol it says "Translate to English"
Pharoah Taharkan ruled during the 25th Dynasty, also known as Nubian Dynasty. They ruled Kush or Nubia or Moreo and conquered Egypt 754 BC - 654 BC. 26th Dynasty was the last native dynasty before being conquered by the Persian Empire.
Someone needs to make a civil war documentary and cast Idris Elba as Robert E. Lee.
HE HAS TO BE TROLLING NO WAY HE JUST SAID HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT MAC N CHEESE IS
Okay, the problem isn't that she thinks everyone from the African continent is black, it's that she is willfully being dishonest about the criticism Shapiro is making. She must know that Ben knows where Egypt is. He isn't, for all his faults, an uneducated person. His point isn't that Cleopatra wasn't black because she was ethnically Egyptian (which, if she were, would indicate at least the possibility that she could have been black) but that Cleopatra's ancestry was predominantly Greek and she had no Egyptian bloodline, suggesting she almost certainly had a Mediterranean complexion.
I notice this a lot in "debates". I don't know what the technical name for it would be-maybe a non sequitur. It's related to a Strawman argument, but instead of a weaker argument it entirely ignores the argument and makes a tangential point. Like, "Cleopatra was probably white because her lineage was Greek, and had no African/Egyptian ancestry." And as a retort you go, "Yeah, but Egypt is in Africa, and Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen. Therefore, you’d have to be dumb to rule out the possibility she was black." The point makes sense only if you entirely ignore the initial argument.
I am male, and only males have been to the moon. Therefore, there's a possibility I've been to the moon.
Their only logic is African=black because African American=black so therefore any historical person living in "Africa" must have been black.
It's simply dishonesty. Logical fallacies only matter when they are mistakes made in good faith.
"Isnt an actor's job to act"
Is a funny line of reasoning to apply in a debate over casting a black woman to play a nonblack historical figure.
Next lets get a black man to play Napoleon. Direction "act white french"
STOP SHOWING VIDEOS AT 2x speed while talking at regular speed! How am I supposed to listen to this at 2x speed when the video in the video then becomes 4x speed while being interupted by regular speed talking?!
Emma is the female Hasan, both proud TYT alum
"Hasan agreed with destiny on a take in 2024 thats step 1 to the building the bridge" This is what I was typing before the Divorcellie clip. LMAO.
LOL
wait. why are we back on this topic? I thought we had escaped this... x.x
A lot of those countries incorporated local tribes like the berbers of Morocco which is why they don’t test for 100% Arabian genetics.
My friend is Egyptian and she's whiter than me (whos Italian and Ukrainian)
This guy is literally called the Egyptian Jon Stewart. He's absolutely a propagandist. He hides all of his propaganda behind the fact that he's very funny.
Reminds me of Poki trying to call herself black because she has Moroccan blood 🤣
She was born in Egypt, lived in Egypt and ruled Egypt. I'd say she was about as Egyptian as any given president of the USA is American. None of them are native American, but we're not going to call Biden a Irish president now, are we? On top of that, it's been centuries since the Ptolemy dynasty started their rule over Egypt, very possible for one of Cleopatra's descendants to have married/had children with a native Egyptian.
This whole meme about Myron trying to replace fresh with destiny got me thinking, man, how cool would a podcast with that dynamic would be?
Just imagine, Myron & Destiny, Hasan & Destiny, Shapiro & Destiny, Sam Hyde & Hasan, Sam Hyde & Destiny, Nick & Destiny etc.
I feel like if they can manage keeping a relation, the "middle ground" that they would inevitably come to, would be an ultimate middle ground that pretty much everyone (Or the largest portion/spectrum of people) would agree with.
Myron is way too soft, he'd get mad when destiny called him out on his bull shit. The guy gets mad at aba because he came to Myron's house for one podcast and Myron thinks he's supposed to back up Myron on his idiocy.
Divorcelli is fire 🔥