Line Conditioner Comparison: Furman PST-8 vs Monster Power HTS 3600
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- In this video I will look at the reduction the Furman PST-8 and PST-8D as well as the Monster Power HTS 3600. We will also compare the outlets and banks within each unit. The test is done with the Greenwave broadband EMI dirty electricity meter which measures electrical pollution in mV (millivolts).
Let me know if you have any questions.
I did put the Greenwave filter in the Monster Power unit, and did get reductions in the specific bank it was used, but the reduction was isolated to just that bank.
I ended up using the Furman with the greenwave filter in my living room where my 75" Sony tv, Sony STR-DN1080 receiver, xbox one, apple tv, etc reside, and noticed no difference from the Monster Power in terms of audio/video quality....
I've run an HTS-5000 for a long time on my home system since I first started getting into it. My first serious TV I bought in 2008 was a Samsung rear projection HDTV and was one of their only series at the time to use an LED based light engine rather than a bulb and color wheel. Turned out, that TV was one of many across multiple manufacturers that would suffer from early failure of the DLP chip, manifested by appearance of bright white spots scattered all over the screen. It was typical that it would happen within the first year or two of use, but I credit my HTS unit with helping my TV last for 12 years of heavy use before I finally retired it. I have now relocated my HTS to my upstairs living room and am shopping around for a high end conditioner for the new theater system I'm currently building from the ground up.
I’m literally doing the same thing tonight with a Panamax 5400pm and a Wadio 3800 as well as the Greenwave filter.
Great video.
Cal D: How did you compare the two Panamax5400 to the Waudio, which one is better? Thanks
Vu Vu to be honest the Panamax sounded better. Mainly with cd quality music but only if you actually paid attention to detail.
Thanks for posting this! I had no idea these filters existed. I have been trying to eliminate dirty power noise with a power conditioner, but the to no avail. I was about to spend $1k on a better one, but am going to try the Greenwave with the one I have instead.
How's the greenwave treating you?
Nice, I just got an HTS3600. I re-capped it and it works great!
Thanks for sharing your test. 👍
Thank you sir for this video. it's very useful.
The Furman units also provide robust surge suppression and are known for it, That’s the main reason I bought them. I have the 8D but wasn’t sure the first 4 outlets had a filter. Thank you for testing those as well. I think they promote the isolated outlets so there’s no cross contamination. Of course that all depends on the devices you have plugged, it might not do anything for your system. Most modern (well designed) electronics have robust filtration built in that happens at lower voltages and are much easier and cheaper to implement. I got my Furmans mainly for surge suppression.
You made the right choice!
"robust filtration"
Very rarely. Engineers tend to put in the bare minimum to keep the device running fine, more and better would help but they don't bother in order to save pennies.
Dude thank you SO MUCH for this! I was just looking at cheap power conditioners and was considering the Furman PST-8/D and also rack units like your Monster, but the Panamax brand. From what I read, the Monster seems to be a licensed design from Panamax. And I also kinda understood that Panamax is owned by Furman?
Anyway, I'm interested in a Panamax unit since it has an outlet on the front (very handy for quick plugin) but I hope it performs as ell as the Monster unit. The Panamax 5100(Max 5100/5100-EX/5100-PM) really resembles the Monster.
Yeah I know panamax bought furman, but I think nothing changed at furman. Panamax may be using some furman tech but I think it was just a market share acquisition, with everything still remaining separate. I'm not sure about any licensing with Monster. I was looking at those panamax units too, and specifically for the reason you mentioned with the front outlet...very handy.
AWESOME!!! Thank you!!!
Thanks for taking some objective measurements! Since you have multiple devices, I'm very interested to see what the filtration performance would be like with two devices in a series (one plugged into the other.) I'm especially curious about the Furman units, as they are a lot more accessible in terms of financial cost. I would imagine that theoretically it should provide more filtration, but I would be very grateful if you had the time to confirm this.
Works alot better than dollar general powerstrips and alot safer. It has helped reduce feedback from my system while safely elimating any contaminated ground issues in the wiring of my 90 year old home , protecting all my electronics from powers spikes and surges.
Okay I see you can measure the noise reduction on the power line. Is there any measurable noise reduction for the audio coming out of your speakers?
I wouldn’t use those two FURMAN strips for anything except for chargers, lamps/lights, laptops, PC’s etc. Nothing critical video or audio certainly (unless) there’s a a plug in conditioning plug similar to that white one you demonstrated.
However I do use a FURMAN AC-210A which is absolutely superb. Especially for video - owing to a true 0V earth/ground, in conjunction with high grade multi stage filtering capabilities in series.
Excellent video
When you use a power conditioners is it okay to plug in your pc + sound card + pair of speakers + synthesizer? where should all this material be separated between two different power conditioners?
@@1eidji652
Yes it's ok. Different components put out different levels (of course) of mostly high frequency hash/noise. Just make sure that you don't use phone chargers or other power similar power supplies along with the components you mention. These should be separated to another wall socket power supply (preferably with another conditioner). Because they put out huge amounts of HF noise and will over saturate the capability of whatever power conditioning you are using.
And if you can separate digital and analogue equipment
@@stugtodd2778 Thank you very much for your very detailed answer, I intended to buy two of them, one for "audio" devices and the other for charger / Tv / bla-bla-bla… I have one last question for you :) when I increase the volume of my sound card, but the speaker crashes, is it related to a software problem or an electricity problem (so the power conditioners could help)? thank you so much
@@1eidji652
No problem. I wouldn't put the TV along with chargers - treat that like you would audio and PC equipment. The speaker crashes It could be there's not enough voltage/Watts getting through but it's impossible to get tell from here. Could be software though
nice video bro
Just a suggestion, test the popular inverter generators, Honda, Yamaha etc. for THD and anything you can think of. The people that own these units are rabid and are interested in every aspect involving the power they produce. They are expensive so the rental may be the best way. By the way great video, from what I understood thanks.
That is a great idea! My only generator at the moment is a champion "non-inverter" and I can tell you the noise is generally off the charts. I have a Honda inverter that has been stuck at customs since covid and looks like it may never make it. I may pick up a predator from HF. I'll definitely test that one.
It's been 2 years know, have you find a better solution since? Also I was wondering if you did try the greenwave filter directly from the wall socket and also on the Monster
Thanks for your video. I'm looking into getting the Furman PST-8d to protect my tube preamp, my guitar pedals and other music recording equipment. But does joules matter at this point? How much does the Furman provide? Any help is appreciated.
The joule rating is useless in my experience. It always seems like higher end equipment has a much lower joule rating (probably because it's more accurate and actually tested). I don't believe Furman even gives a joule rating, but I wouldn't worry about that as much as using a high quality device. I saw something where their response time of the SMP was the fastest which is likely what will protect equipment.
@@dizump excellent! Thanks for the info! I went ahead and got it - damn is it a nice piece of equipment! Industrial to the max.
Great comparison. Try comparing a comparable Furman Unit that is a few steps above their powerstrip units. I have the pr 1800 AR that's a voltage regulator and power conditioner. I would hope that would be better than the power strip and anything Monster makes. I would love to see the results.
Curious about how the noise levels might have changed if you turned off the lights on that circuit - just to see how much noise they are adding.
wow...this blew my mind, was looking into furman's m8dx, and saw other guy got a 180 mv result. This is greenwave filter is CRAZY
You don’t make any sense 😂👈🏼
Read a book or two please 🙏🏼😂
I live in a newer neighberhood with underground power and I am less than a mile from the main carrying power lines.
When im running my windows gaming computer with my full Topping audio system and playing it through my Polk R200 speakers or any speakers, it absolutely makes a difference if I am using my Furman PST-8D or not; especially with the 8D in which filter banks I choose to place my monitor and PC affects the performance of my audio components in the other banks.
If I use my APC AV7 $20 powerstrip then it dramatically downgrades my system and neurtralizes all the money I spent on a mid tier topping dac over entry or the money i spent to upgrade to my Polk R200. Using a less powerstrip reduces the quality of my experience on any set of Hifi speakers/headphones no matter their price.
I also have a Monster HT power conditioner ~$100 it does not isolate outlets more one another like the furman does.
I'd like to ask, on the back of the Monster unit, it has designated outlets for different components, does it really matter what you plug into those outlets that read "CD" "HDTV" "TV Monitor" "Receiver" "DVD" ?, are they not all the same filtering ?
I can't confirm its the same filtering. The meter reads different levels of "cleaning" for the different banks so there may be other things happening, like certain frequencies being stripped which effect certain devices differently? That is a big guess, but the circuitry is different for the different components.
From what I understand video is in a higher frequency band requiring a more precise and expensive filter.
The results on my test are different than yours. I have a 20Amp wall outlet which has only around 25mV noise. When I plug the PST-8D in, it generates a lot more noise than the actually wall outlet (around 250mV). The only way to reduce noise on PST-8D to around 18mV is to plug the the Greenway Filter directly on to it. I am confused. Does anyone know why?
It's weird...I noticed the same with one of the circuits in my house. My office has really low noise compared to the rest of my house. When I plugged the 8D in here, it was about 150mV higher...I figured there is a point of diminishing returns. If the line is already clean then just run it as is....The greenwave did drop it back though, however it was the same as just going back to a cheap Belkin so that's what I did.
Does anything share the 20A circuit with your system? If not, that alone (a dedicated circuit) makes for a huge improvement in power quality and in some cases can even eliminate the need for a conditioner (though obviously protection is still highly recommended).
Hi,
Thanks for your research and video.
I already ordered Furman PST-6 before seeing this video. It seems evident that the GreenWave Filters (or something similar) are necessary when “noise” is too high,
What is the best method for combining these two devices?
1) Green filter into wall outlet, and then Furman into Green filter?
2) Furman into wall outlet, and a Green filter into each of the six Furman outlets you plan to use?
And the 3rd step being to plug-in your TV, speaker, DVR, or whatever...
Thanks!
Also,
If you plug the GreenWave Filter into one of the wall outlets, are you able to plug the Furman into the other corresponding wall outlet and achieve noise reduction?
Or must you eventually have your TV, speaker, DVR, etc... directly plugged into both devices?
Hey Chris, good questions, and the answer may be kind of surprising. The GreenWave filter has the same level of filtering so long as it is close to the device and on the same circuit/breaker. Meaning it can be on different outlet as the furman but somewhat close by and on the same circuit but the noise reduction still is substantial and taking place. I put my filter on the first outlet on the furman (plug side) and put my devices after that. That seems to have the best results (although they are minor). I don't plug anything INTO the GreenWave filter itself unless I have to. I just don't know what is going on inside one and don't want to potentially damage one with power draw. My tests didn't yield any additional filtering...
If you had a dual socket outlet you should plug the Greenwave into the spare outlet and the Furman into the other. The Greenwave will grab the noise (or most of) before the electricity reaches the plug of the Furman.
Think I can plug in 3 subwoofers a projector and my Onkyo 1030 avr into the monster?
Definitely...it is a heavy duty and well built piece of equipment. 15amps is all I'd run through it I suppose, but it can handle every bit of that.
If one cannot find the monster I guess getting the Furman and adding the greenwave to it would be a killer combo
That is what I'm using now as it provided the best reduction across all outlets.
@@dizump Nice plus cheaper than other options although not as nice fancy looking as the monster for my HT room :D
@@dizump wondering why you went with the furman over the monster??? I thought the monster was cleaner?
I would love if you made a video of testing monster power surge protectors at what point they cut off in the case of an over voltage and under voltage to see if the disconnect and reconnect circuitry really works
I had the monster power hts 1000mk3 I bought 2 and right out of the box 1 started malfunctioning the same evening then the other would cut out or disconnect at 100 volts and it would never reconnect even when the voltage came back to 120 they dont seem to work got rid of them and got belkin pf 60 apc h15 and panamax m8 ht pro have 4 panamax
yeah you need to go with the higher end model this is basically just a power bar with surge protector, i have a Furman Elite15-PFI and the Furman PL-Plus DMC and the noise is dead silent.
What about Furman Elite 15 DMI Power Conditioner HT 15A ? I wonder if that has low noise also compare to your 15-PFI
Okay. When you say the noise is "dead silent", I would imagine that we are all thinking of the sound coming out from the speaker of the Green Wave Noise Meter when the little $30 Green Wave filter is plugged into your elite Furmans. May I ask, what "silence" are you referring to? Are you using the same equipment? You can't make sense of comparing apples with oranges. Thanks.
Hmmmmmmmmm, quite interesting. Own 3 Monsters (turquoise light-from my experience the older ones are better built) and 1 Panamax. However, that White cube is very impressive.
Good video.
I saw your comments explaining that the separate connections on the HTS3600 are why you didn’t combine the Greenwave filter with that device (i.e. would require more than one Greenwave filter).
If the HTS3600 is plugged into one of two sockets of a shared wall outlet, and the Greenwave filter is plugged into the other socket of the same outlet, wouldn’t that extend the purification benefit to all of the monster plug-in connections?
Also, could you provide the mV measurements on the Monster purifier with Greenwave inserted just to find out how that contrasts with the Furman?
Thanks for the video, as I’m look at purifiers currently.
Thanks, yes, if you put the greenwave filter into the same outlet as the HTS3600, that does help to clean the noise before even entering the device, but it isn't as substantial having the device in the unit itself upstream from the devices (surprisingly). I hope that makes sense. I took the HTS3600 out to my ranch property to use it in the living room there. Might be a little while before I can test with it again.
@@dizump - I think your response gave enough insight, so no need to get the specifics unless you want to.
Thanks again!
@@dizump thanks
What is that meter even indicating with the .8-1.2v reading? Is that noise at some specific frequency it measures in the positive or negative side of the ac waveform cycle? Does the voltage change from the wall measurement to the filter? Is it stabilizing the AC RMS voltage by boosting or bucking it close to 120v even when you have other loads introduced to the same line such as a blender getting turned on plugged into the wall? What is inside the filters? Coils, capacitors, and some kind of transformer setup and ground isolation? Are the circuits in that Furman dependent on a solid ground connection and is you mains ground good and without and voltage leak showing it has some power on it from one of the two phases coming into the home? There is a lot more potential issues to check to even begin to measure what those devices are actually doing? I can't imagine what kind of components are actually in that shelf unit. Ac Voltage regulation and high draw capacitance and isolation maybe along with a bunch of noisy digital circuitry so you can that that screen display and change some do nothing marketing settings. Only so much you can do to regulate and filter sine wave distortions at various freq at that point in the supply chain. I imagine any digital based power mosphet switching would only give you a sine wave that is stepped at a higher freq oscillating square waveform. Whatever, hope you sell a bunch of $300-1000 power supplies to technically ignorant but well read in marketing terms HiFi audio heads.
I don't like opinions without proof. Why don't you break out your oscilloscope and a Greewave EMI meter and let us know the sine wave accuracy? I'll be waiting for your expert video review here on CZcams.
Is there a reason you wouldn’t want to plug the greenwave filter straight to the wall outlet and then just plug the furman into it instead of Vice versa, freeing up a whole outlet on the furman?
You can plug a Greenwave filter anywhere on the circuit and it will reduce noise to anything down the line. I have several in my house. They work well!
@@andynonimuss6298 perfect, thanks!
8:20 same brand supporting each other ? I wonder if it will be any different if any other one is different brand
Do Isolation transformers reduce noise on ac lines? Is it worth getting one for noise purposes?
They can do check Airlink transformers.
Both the meter and filter from same manufacturer. Hmmmm.
Great video though. Thumbs up.
How much surge protection does the Furman have?
Next time you make a video, compare products at the same price level. We are not stupid!
Did you test how much reduction does the greenwave alone provide?
It fluctuated a bit through out my house, but averaged about 200mV per circuit/breaker. You can double them up though.
@@dizump So if I am not looking for a power conditioner for voltage fluctuations but only to clean the noise, maybe I can just get those greenwave plug ins throughout the house.
This video is VERY useful for sure.
@@shaolin95 That seems to be the case. For example, my office is on it's own breaker. It has the light switch for the can lights, and 6 outlets. When I plug a greenwave filter in one outlet, they all get "cleaned". However, outlets in other parts of my house on other breakers have no reduction. I ended up buying 16 of these damn things to put all throughout my house, haha.
@ Thanks!
What is the actual common name of that device Greenwave Broadband EMI meter ? because I can't find it anywhere in my country
That is the name of the device. I'm sure it's manufactured by someone else and just labeled for Greenwave. I saw another meter that was the same design somewhere else...I think amazon had it at one point.
Can you compare with IFI power conditioner.
I wonder if the green-wave meter and filter certified for accuracy.
Thats a good question...there was a certification paper in the package, but who knows if it's worth the paper it was printed on...
Can you do an AudioQuest power strip review
Which green wave filter are you using?? This seems like the cheapest and cleanest energy u can get tbh
I think they just have the one filter. It's their dirty electricity filter.
I’d be interested to know what kind of reading you would get with a typical ~$30 surge protector with the Greenwave filter plugged in.
I will test this next time I have a unused surge protector out.
FWIW, a $30. surge protector will offer little reduction in noise. They are mainly for surge protection using MOVs, which BTW will wear out over time just dealing with microsurges in the mains.
@@dizump Please do this!! I’ve got some pretty rugged serge protectors and am considering replacing them all with PST-8’s but if I could just buy an 8 pack of Greenwave 3 prong filters and continue to use the serge protectors already in place then it would be a great cost saving. Would be awesome if you could chime in with your findings - no video necessary - although I think it would make a great video as well! Thanks for any help you can send our way Hanz!
@@TheJamSpace I will do this...I just picked up a couple of cheap belkin "surge protectors" with usb ports from amazon. Lets see what they do!
@@dizump Right on! Thanks so much. We look forward to learning the results. Cheers.
great video. I'm wondering if you can plug that EMI meter into an outlet that is on a dedicated circuit. that is my situation. I want to know if you would get less EMI noise on that without using the furman or Monster Power, just as a reference. I want to see if it has less noise than in your kitchen when using the outlet shared with your lights. Can you do that quick test for me please and give me the mV reading??
Yeah let me see if I can find a circuit with nothing on it and see what kind of reading I can get. I think the general noise may bleed over (and even be injected by things like my smart meter) but let me see.
@@dizump thanks, i would really appreciate that.
@@velocci6666 So I checked a bunch of circuits and a couple that had absolutely nothing plugged in were 233 and 340mV, so some noise is still being injected into all of my circuits. I suspect it's the smart meter on the outside of my home. When I plugged in a filter to any plug in the circuit, it dropped to 20-34mV. If you have something you are worried about picking up noise, you might want to use one greenwave filter on the circuit. Even if you start with somewhat low noise, it will completely clean it up.
@@dizump thanks for doing that. So i guess the lights in your kitchen were creating some of that noise. Have you tried using any audio equipment with and without the power conditioners and do you hear a difference in sound quality? Because even if those power conditioners reduce noise, you may not even hear it. Most audio equipment already clean the power anyways.
@@velocci6666 I have and surprisingly you can hear the difference. It's pretty obvious to me, but even my wife could tell the difference. I have a Sony STR-DN1080 which I use to play hi-res audio flac files. Songs with guitar and drum solos really stand out when the line is 1300mV vs 28mV. I was expecting the DAC in the Sony to clean it, but I guess noise is noise.
Honey sh|+! That little greenwave thing is mind blowing, wtf. I wonder if it will work for my problem? My issue is it seems the speaker cable that they installed in my new house picks up interference and 97.5 FM radio station and plays it through MOST of the speakers in my theatre set up (quietly in the background regardless of what source is playing). The scenario is when i have the volume muted (or a silent scene), you can hear a 'buzzing' and the radio station from most of the speakers, if you listen close you can even hear what song it is!
I use a Marantz pre-amp and a Macintosh amp and another amplifier. Ive tried numerous things and everything seems to make some change or reduction in the buzzing and FM station including using different HDMI ports, moving the RCA cables around, and even if i disconnect the RCA connections completely, the buzz and radio still persists!
Im going to try a power conditioner, think it will help?
What about this greenwave thing, seems unbelievable. Can you just use the greenwave plugged into (say the top) wall outlet and then use a surge protector plugged into the other (bottom) outlet? Or do you need both the greenwave and a power conditioner?
Wow, that would drive me nuts! I would definitely give this setup a shot, but I would be trying anything and everything if I were in your shoes. I think it will help, but I just wonder if FM reception would be in the wavelength considered "noise" and filtered by either the furman and/or greenwave. I also wonder if all the speakers need to pickup the FM is a power source, in which case no power filter would help.
Again, if it were me, I'd give it a shot.
Regarding where you can plug it in, my tests show that as long as it's plugged in to any outlet on the same breaker as your equipment, there is substantial reduction in noise. However, there does seem to be a bit more the closer it is to the outlet where the equipment is. Having it plugged into the same rail on the Furman drops it the most, which is where I left it in my house. I put both the 8 and 8D in my cabinet with each having a greenwave, and the noise is damn near zero.
@@dizump Thanks for replying! Could you elaborate on your comment a bit more for me? You mentioned " I also wonder if all the speakers need to pickup the FM is a power source, in which case no power filter would help. "
Thanks,
I think the Green Wave is a scam. It's maybe not offering any more value than its cost.
What are the results from the 8D?
In reality, cleaning up "dirty electric" is usually negligible to zero in the vast majority of so-called power conditioners. I have an expensive Furman PL-PLUS DMC Power Conditioner and the dirty electric signal in my wall outlet is 56 mV and any outlet on the Furman itself is worse at 169 mV. So yeah, according to my Greenwave EMI Dirty Electricity Meter, the Furman is NOT cleaning up the dirty electricity.
Seems like Furman would be out of business
That testing unit is known to be a scam.. just read up on the EMI meter online..
Why did you decide to replace the Monster with the Furman? If I understood your conclusions, the Monster is significantly better in every way.
The monster is much better on it's own, but when I used the greenwave filter in conjunction with the furman, the filtering was the best. The noise was only 40mV in every outlet. If I used the greenwave filter on the monster, the reduction on isolated to the bank it was plugged into. So I'd need 4 filters to use the other outlets in the different banks. Hope that makes sense...
@@dizump Why not plug the filter into the wall and use the inline outlet on the filter to power the monster? or does your filter not have an inline plug? The ones I'm looking at on Amazon from Greenwave all have inline outlets that work as a filtered passthru
@@MichaelJohnson-ld2gw it does provide some filtering...about the same amount as it does to the rest of the outlets on the same breaker. The most dramatic reduction comes when its on the same outlet/bank though.
@@dizump gotcha! Cool I only ask as I have that same monster power center but I'm only using the high output outlets for a couple amps. I just ordered the greenwave meter and filters because of your video. After stumbling on yours I researched a bit more and decided to invest in some greenwave filters. I'll be curious to see how dirty my power is. My hearing is pretty sensitive, I've never noticed and humming or buzzing in my surround sound setup. But if I can get cleaner power that's always good. Anyways thanks for taking the time to reply and educate me 👊😎👌
Can you test ISOBAR from tripp-lite?
I have an older one but it's just a surge protector. It doesn't do any filtering. Do they have a model that filters line noise?
@@dizump not sure. They claim EMI/RFI filtering from 40-80DB on most isobar products. This is technically higher than the lower end Furman and should be equal to the PST-8?
The monster costs about $150 more. I wonder how a comparatively priced furman (such as a M-8S at $230) would compare.
So take this for what it's worth, but I spoke with an engineer at furman, and the filtering which takes place in pretty much all of their units is the same. You are paying more for the form factor, 12v remote, etc. They are still very good, and their support alone is worth the purchase.
Get any furman you can afford, power station or elite series will help your audio out and other electronics
What model is the geenwave filter
They only have one. It can be found here: greenwavefilters.com/product/greenwave-dirty-electricity-filter/
May I ask the model number of the Greenwave filter? I intend to order it online too. Thanks.
Hello, this was the 3-prong found here: greenwavefilters.com/product/greenwave-dirty-electricity-filter/
Dude, don't bother the video hosts. It's easy enough to do. I googled it in 0.12 seconds. If you can't find it then sure, ask the guy...but his work is done. He was kind enough to answer you but many won't - I wouldn't (and don't get all in a huff with me... Just be a man about it)
@@nickburak7518 askng for how to buy the model of Greenway filter that he demoed seems to be the most intelligent takeaway question of any from this video, based on the significant reduction it's appears to provide, and bang for the buck.
Not sure who peed in your breakfast cereal, or who dubbed you the CZcams police.
@@lawpenner I don't know what's wrong with people. You seem to be the only person that this is an issue. If a reviewer reviews a product - say it's a car - we don't ask him where to buy that car - that's not part of his job. Maybe he's an Amazon affiliate, so I'll check the description first to see if he has a link to that product. If not, we can google that ourselves. We should try to ask a specific question that only the reviewer can answer. He's a busy person. He may have a family and a full time job outside of CZcams. He may not have time to answer petty questions. So we do our part and try not to bother him. We go to google or Amazon and type "greenwave filter". I don't think we need Captain Obvious to teach us that.
@@nickburak7518 you are very responsible. Wish you could get your message out to all the AI bots that spam post all over the internet. Now we're talking about another form of noise pollution... Internet spamming. We could use some "GreenWave" filters for internet spamming for sure
Thanks
Tried the Greenwave meter plugged into the first outlet and the Greenwave filter in one of the iso outlets of the Fuman strip?
I figure with the filter plugged into the first outlet, it's filtering outlet everything after it.
The Greenwave meter knocks down the noise no mater what outlet it's plugged into. Theoretically it would be best to put in the first outlet though I suppose.
How would that little unit work with the monster unit ?
The monster has truly isolated banks, so it would only filter two outlets. The others are unaffected.
@@dizump That's saying something about the Green Wave filter. Somehow I'm not convinced. How can a $30 accessory improve the so-called noise floor so significantly on the Furman, much more expensive by comparison, but almost not at all on the Monster, which is much more expensive than the Furman. Have you figured out what the Green Wave is actually doing? This would be more a question for the host. My spidee senses are tingling. Thanks
I am guitarist that switched from Furman Power Conditioners to Monster Power Conditioners .
Monster is far better in the studio or live on stage.
Your tests amount to first-order approximations. A much more valid test would be similar measurements while applying a load to the filters. Simply plug something else in and do the same measurements. After all, nobody uses them in no-load situations.
The Greewave filters reduce line noise down significantly. I have several in my house on both circuits. Once you have several plugged in, a load or no load is hardly a measurable mV difference from my testing.
@@andynonimuss6298I just tested it and I had to return. It creates a mini EMF and I was noticeably nauseous after a few hours. I had 6 in 2 adjacent rooms.
@@Ffoo_ffighter Sorry to hear that. I have 8 Greenwave filters and no issues with nausea. All electronics create spheres of EMF to different degrees. Computers and microwaves produce some of the larger spheres.
The Furman is way cheaper though. Do a higher end furman
I just ordered that exact Furman for 100.00 ,I wonder how much did the monster cost?.
It's been discontinued now for a while. I think I paid around $250 for it 10 years ago...
@@dizump I see wow wasn't exactly cheap for the time but obviously a keeper anyway.
Monster?!!!! Try Audioquest or a good Reputable Company! Aldo how about checking the Outlet you use for your Sound system
where to buy the white unit??
greenwavefilters.com/product/greenwave-dirty-electricity-filter/
You have the dirtiest Electricity I have ever seen! Wow...Monster Power with an impressive win.
That is a fact unfortunately...
@@dizump lol...I watched 10 videos before yours,as you do when researching....180-500 was the highest reading anyone posted until yours!! Yikes!! Your entire family 👪 may need individual EMI Shielding!! Mylar Foil blankets possibly?? Lol
@@iyona14granturismogt6gtspo7 LOL...I know. I did put these filters on pretty much every circuit on my house to settle things down. I think the issue is I have an older home automation system that sends signals across the powerlines to control switches, lights, etc. I think this is just being picked up as noise. I have a pretty expensive EMF reader and it doesn't show much from that respect.
@@dizump I doubt the issue is the mains. Most likely it is LED lighting, though fluorescent does not help things either.
You probably wouldn't notice much of a difference in quality except for maybe in input lag or very high-reaction based games (if there was a problem in that regard). However in my case I was able to overclock my computer components more with the conditioners plugged in.
Computers have switching power supplies, so any noise at the input makes no difference at all. The filtering you need is at the output of the power supply, not the input. Got to audio science review and get the real facts.
@@mobby1212is there a product that helps with this?
@@mobby1212 Computer PSU will filter noise but we don't know at which extend, if the noise on your line is at 1500mV, how much the PSU will filter down? Will it bring it down to 40mV... Who knows? However PSU will emit noise back to the line and one of my PSU gets reading 1400mV and the other 400mV. What I can tell is that the PSU from output will make that line pretty noisy. I think having a filter is a bonus! so what goes in or goes out remains near to clean!
The question though is is it filtering anything in the audible frequencies? If not...
I purchased the Furman and the greenwave in hopes of it getting getting rid of hum from a mixer using 2 different outlets.
A $10 ground loop isolator worked while the Furman and greenwave didn't. Not sure is these were suppose to.
Hanz! This is Franz. I have this sneaky suspicion that the Green Wave product is a scam - or at best is only offering a little value. It's $30 on Amazon. I don't wanna be a buzz-kill, but since we all know that good stuff ain't cheap and cheap stuff ain't good, I bet the Green Wave products are not dealing with electricity and noise like we think they are. There must be something that it's measuring. Are they taking us for fools? Anyone know? I appreciate the effort you put into this video, but this is the glaring hole in it imo. A few other persons caught this. I think it has to do with testing methodology and an sufficient understanding of electrical radiation. It brings up the question of how a little device that costs about $30 can echeive what the Furman or Monster cannot do, which is to significantly lower the noise. Question is; what is this noise and that we are hearing? Can I get a witness?
Nick...take it for what it's worth. I'm not selling these things. The Green Wave meter "measures dirty electricity (EMI) frequencies from around 3 Kilohertz up to 10,000 Kilohertz (i.e., 10 Megahertz)" according to them. I also have a Extech EMF450 (which is a standard issue meter for many line techs and radio installers). When I hold this meter next to a cheap surge protector plugged into my kitchen, I get an electric field reading of around 20 V / m. When I plug the Green Wave filter in, it drops down to 7 V / m. It's doing something, just not sure what exactly.
@@dizump Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, your video was solid. What's your area of expertise? And you aren't selling it, as you said. It's just that I'd like to learn more about what this "something" is; that's the question this video made me ask. I hear the 'noise' coming from the detector, but it may not be the real noise. It can be a simple circuit that boosts the presence of a certain frequency expressed out of an amplified speaker. Right? Maybe that's why some people say it's a scam. Will I hear this noise when listening to my sound system or see video noise on my TV? I'm not convinced it will matter as much as what either the Furman or the Monster can do. That's a worthwhile point to make, because it clears up the need to answer the question (or even better, the need to buy the device) of how a $30 decide seems to do a better job than the other more expensive ones. Until I find the answer I'll take it for what it is - a mystery. Lol. Thanks again and all the best.
@@nickburak7518 I'm a software engineer by trade but initially started school for industrial engineering. Yeah, I'd like to figure out what that something is as well, so I may have to crack one of these open at a later time. GreenWave admits that the sound is their "translation" of EMI to an audible tone, so who knows what they determine that to be. That's why I kind of like my EMF450, however, that isn't reading directly from the line but instead what is being emitted through the atmosphere. It does have similar results, just not as dramatic and more susceptible to sensor placement. It is a mystery for the most part unfortunately. I will say there is a noticeable difference when I'm playing hi-res flac audio files and the like through my audio system with and without the filter in place.
@@dizump Well that's good to hear. I'm sure that your education is well-suited to help you make these things clear (at least more than mine). And it sounds Iike you have a good detecting devise (I'll check it out). As that that Green thing, for $30 it should be an easy investment. You like it. As for the mystery, someone Ike Bigclivedotcom could tackle it. I'd have to find the right video (preferably posted '15 minutes ago') to post this question so that the mystery is in context with the video. Until then....
@@nickburak7518czcams.com/video/-M4j-YdyrVo/video.html
You can search “Perils and problems with dirty electricity filters: What to be aware of!”, if you don’t want to use the link.
Based on the attached CZcams video link it seems that these dirty line filters accomplish what is claimed, however, there may be other considerations to make before someone decides to install them in one’s home.
I’d love to filter my lines for peace of mind, but not if it creates potential new electrical/magnetic field issues.
Looks like the only way to find out is purchasing 3 or 4 different meters and one filter to test in one’s home.
ATTN: This test is unfair. Hanz solo has not done his homework in finding two comparable products. The Furman does not have any specific DIGITAL FILTERING at all. While the Monster Cable product does. I worked at Monster Cable back in the day. The product Hanz Solo needs to compare is the Furman PST-8 DIGITAL (PAST-8D) . I personally own the Furman PST-8 DIGITAL (PAST-8D). I would NOT buy the Monster Cable unit over the Furman PST-8 DIGITAL (PAST-8D). The Furman PST-8 DIGITAL (PST-8D) goes for $110 currently.
Reducing distortion on the line doesn't do much for audio but often helps video look better.
And how do you arrive at that conclusion? Dirty electric (EMI) absolutely reduces and can destroy sensitive electronics over time.
@@andynonimuss6298 The fact I have $500,000 worth of reference grade electronics in my 2 channel system, they sound better plugged directly into the wall and I have never, ever, ever and did I mention never in 45 years had any electronics go bad. In fact, I still have a 45 year old amp ( original owner) that is used on a somewhat regular basis, in a secondary system, that is all original. All condtioners i have tried prove detrimental to sound quality. What are your qualifications? I've been designing and building Home Theaters for 30 years, in acoustics for 29 years and I stand by my statement.
Great vid, but 1) Turn the sound on your meter down or off, and 2) We believe you; You don't have to display every reading.
Thanks again; Great info! Sparks in Daytona
You’ll have those people though that have the same IQ as what their thermostat is reading complaining or accusing him of foul play. Not meant to be bad toward you either!
Is the greenwave filter a scam?
It does seem to do something...they have been in business for years so I wouldn't think it's complete snake oil.
Thank you for the video.
I tried the Furman and the greenwave thanks to your video.
I had to return the greenwave. It creates an mini EMF as a side effect and it made me very nauseous. I'm pretty sure it works but just not for me.
The best is..audio quest…this is not good…not for that much money..buy audioquest…this filter,filtering nothing..is grap..
> Talks realllll quiet
> Holds loud buzzing noise right up to the mic
RIP headphone users
LOL
All home power outlets are noisy. The question is does this matter? The only relevant test would be to check the performance of the device being powered to see if there is any change/improvement. I assume we are concerned with audio equipment. The designers of this type of equipment are well aware of power outlet noise and the equipment is designed to filter out AC noise and produce clean DC power. In other words, extra AC filtering is not required and has no useful effect in well designed equipment.
Not true. While most higher quality audio devices have AC>DC filtering internally, these may not be sufficient to filter all noise coming in from the mains. What's more, companion electronics can emit their own hum and noise which can contaminate lines. That said, many so-called power conditioners make little-to-no difference, like we saw with the Furman bar. In my research, the most effective way to mitigate noise and hum is using a high-quality balanced isolation transformer, or a high-quality power regenerator, but here we're talking big bucks.
Internal filtering is always meager in order to save money. More is generally better. I read that folks in the UK generally benefit the least, or if at all. In the US, it's very much a must, or at least get a surge protector by APC, Furman, or a more upscale Monster.
In the case of the Waldorf Blofeld synthesizer, enough AC noise (found everywhere) will destabilize its CPU as it has no ferrite choke on its DC input, lol (extreme case in point)
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Snake oil. Monster being the worst.
These big filter units does not worth the money they ask you. Honest guy but poor technical level... you never mention how much noise a typical system can tolerate!!!
Furman, yes, monster power NO!!!!! worked for GC and sold many of them. Saw a bunch come back. I’ve owned 3, THREE!!!! And all three DIED! They built pretty. And supposedly the engineering behind the monsters are noteworthy. But actuality, monster power conditioners are no better than a dollar store power strip.
Nonsense!
the cheapest ones, I'm sure they suck, the pricier stuff doesn't and has good rep
"...it's not filtering...". then what's it for...& If it is filtering...
???WHAT IS IT FILTERING & HOW MUCH IS IT FILTERING?? ..
FROM WHERE?? does it compare to display 5% or 2% reduction??? And this instrument power has a 2 pin plug??? 🤣🤣 .. What's measured w.r.t. gnd/ earth???
that's just a noise generator " blackbox" .
Not just a noise generator, actually fairly accurate for EMI mV measurements.
lol this is such a boomer video. no editing, loud as fuck when he puts the emi reader up to the camera, nothing. no graphs, no bars, no text on screen explaining things.. i feel like im in a 2008 youtube video.
@N3 kkun. Make your own vid then.
you're the only one that cares. The rest of us don't require crayon drawings to understand this
Glad the loudness of the meter could be heard based on different mV readings; helps to grasp that more mV = more noise.
@@Zekroft LOLLLL
Boomers don't need to be spoon fed and coddled. We just need a little information, and we can take it from there.