Do Power Conditioners Really Work? Snake Oil?
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2019
- This video demonstrates whether or not a power conditioner actually cleans and filters the electricity going to your devices. If you are looking to purchase a power conditioner for your music studio, then you definitely need to watch this before you buy a power conditioner. I used a broadband EMI Meter to show proof of the power conditioner's performance. Are they worth it? Depends on why you need one.
You can get the broadband EMI meter here amzn.to/2J1c4ip - Hudba
Pro tip set playback speed to 2x, you're welcome!
Thanks!
Pro Tip, 1.5x speed actually sounds better because you can actually hear every word. 2x speed blurrs words together.
I settled on 1.75x lol
I’m watching this on 0.5x speed
@@RyanHarris77still watching it? :)
It’s millivolts. It all depends on how the circuit was wired in the wall. What other devices are also wired to that circuit in your home. There is more to it than what you are describing. I bet you could get the numbers much lower with an electrician paying a visit. Thank You for the video.
Well the point is that when you use power conditioners in your rack for live gigs, you do so in order to clean the electricity you get from the venue.
He’s just debunking the myth.
It's millivolts" Thanks captain. If you know everything why are you on CZcams? Shouldn't you be reading a book or something?
@@FabioPoianMusic No debunking a myth because the conditioners dont claim to clean the power only a ReGen will do that. If it is dirty going in its dirty going out. It is a massive misconception that people always think a conditioner cleans the power it will only filter certain spikes in certain frequencies to eliminate noise for a better sound floor. And yes everyone it is millivolts not multi volts. But thanks to Nat for taking the time to do the video and the comments to help and educate people...
@@mattmoshercom They keep a more "consistent" flow of electricity. Not to mention regulating voltage, since that is why I bought mine. To regulate voltage which in turn does what you have already explained. Never know what kind of place you are walking into. At least with a power conditioner you should have "cleaner" power/sound...buzz free.
Isn’t a millivolt is just one thousand of a volt, so nothing to do with whether your power conditioner is doing or not doing.
Great to see the real world effect the filters have. Thanks for posting Nat. Any device to plug in will have it's own filtering that will cleanup that unregulated power. The filter is more important to trap far greater spikes.
Thanks for the video. According to Amazon, this measure a broad range of dirty electricity frequencies (approximately 3 kHz -- 10 MHz). However, if you check the spec of a lower cost Furman conditioner, it typically say filter only 10 khz and up. May be that is why the power conditioners didn't get the level down that much.
This makes sense
Good point
Where can you find the spec of a furman conditioner that says filtering the 10khz? I can't find it in the spec on Furman web. Thanks!
There are no specs of Furman (or any other conditioner), because it is easily measureable...@@haowu3319
An isolated, dedicated circuit is what you need. Hook up your line conditioners once that’s accomplished. Also, have your home ground checked. Home builders often take shortcuts on wiring.
Would be cool to see what a cheap EMI surge protector measures and a UPS
That green wave is sweet. I’d love to see more testing with some of the higher end conditioners to see if they actually do anything. Would also love to see if on a regenerator.
Does the Broadband EMI Meter have a sideburn trimming attachment because it sure sounds like it does.
I noticed that you did not have a grounding pin on the cord that you were plugging in to the units. Reasoning?
You can tell it has a non-polarized plug also, by the 'reference' (non fluctuating) voltage switching from top to bottom between different outlets... ughh
I'm really glad you made this video. Regardless of the terminology used, it proved an incredibly useful visual. I almost got the furman and i'm glad I didn't waste my money. I own a studio as well and need to clean up my power.
I have seen numerous sources say *actual* power conditioners are pretty expensive. If you had the budget, I'd be curious to see you buy a relatively expensive power conditioner to test that theory. After all, after you do the test, you can just return it. I live in coastal florida and it storms A LOT; my power goes out regularly and the power company is constantly restoring our power due to lightning. I own a lot of studio gear and nothing would make me more unhappy than losing it because of a storm.
Thanks bro...I'm looking at the Niagara product. I've heard good things about it. I understand how you feel. Gotta protect your gear man!! Especially in Florida.
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A, depends on the power and wiring in your home. Nothing is going to clean up bad wiring. That Furhman is from 2001 to 2012.. Here's a test with someone using the same EMI meter who has it jump up to 189 when plugged into the wall. On the high power banks he got 22 to 23. The other four low power banks didn't due so we'll but you really want the high power analog devices in those to protect. Digital has hardware in it to control power but analog is where you really hear the noise.
The guy tested another brand and it was just as bad. Really these are only needed for analog eequipment,, usually tube amps.If you've spent 20K plus on a home theater system then I'm would personally get a sine wave battery backup but good ones are not cheap.
The only other company I have see besides Furhmann that works is iFI, but it's more expensive although the iFi AÇ purifier plugs into one outlet while you plug a surge protector in the othe and it fixes the noise in a different way then most line comditionars.r. You can also plug it directly into your surge protector. Let's say you had a nine outlet surge protector and 4 analogue devices and four digital devices. You would put the iFi in the middle and four devices in-between (4 analogue on the left, 4 digital on the right.
Really these are only needed for very expensive Audio setups and older equipment like turntables, DACs, tube amps and DACs. I just got one and really wish I had that EMI reader to do some testing.
While not used as.muvh anymore, power line adapters add tons of noise. Considering that they use your existing home wiring to extend your LAN/Wifi that's not shocking but the iFi removes all of that.
So, you need the right set of circumstances for these to improve anything one other is older houses with no ground line. They still exist. So bad electricity that an electrician can't fix, or would be ridiculously expensive with expensive reference analog gear. I don't think these make much difference with digital as most digital equipment can handle the power fluctuation, at least to an extent.
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Clean/dirty depends on how you are looking at it. A power conditioner regulates voltage. Not every place is wired the same...just like people. We all know that annoying "buzz". High and low spikes in voltage. Millivolts is what the EMI meter was measuring in. Conditioners, in theory, reduce the spikes in voltage that can "dirty" up the sound.....the sound.....less buzzing. Does not "clean" the electricity so much as it regulates it. Which gives you a cleaner sound.
Thanks for the insight. I wonder how the PS Audio Power Plants would measure, as they’re supposed to regenerate the AC power instead if filtering. Any experience with resting those or something similar?
I have not tested anything similar yet. I do have my eye on a unit that is supposed to work really well. I will do a video and a test once I get it. Thanks for reaching out.
I did test mine
PS Audio PowerPlant 3
It measured 350-380 mV
I also tested the ohms. They were just 2 ohms.
My bare socket tested 270-300 mV
And 100+ ohms.
Read Audio Science Review on the PS Audio regenerators.
1.21 jigga multivolts!!
thank you sir for doing this test I personally have 2 monster hdp 1800 and one hdp ir 2550 I use them as glorified surge protectors they cut out when voltage rises above 130 volts and then they wait tell voltage goes down to 125 then they kick back in
You're welcome
interesting experiment with curious results. i would like to see the wave form on the ac line with an oscilloscope. thanks for sharing
The fundamental problem is that anything produce noise on the line, if you filter it, your equipment will generate a minimal amount of noise, that may end up on your track when recording.
Unless you use pro-grade equipment in a studio with proper gauge wires with proper insulation with proper filtering before they get to the actual plug; you are still dealing withe issue in a way or another.
For home studios, I can't really tell the difference to be honest, using a regular surge protector
I play live on stage and do occasional studio work.
I use a Monster 1100 Power Bar from the wall to power a Monster 2500 Power Conditioner, an ETA PD9 Power Conditioner to give clean power to a 16 space rack system and large effects pedalboard full of digital effects processors and analog effects units.
I never had EMI , RFI, hum or hiss in my system.
When I take my digital effects processors ;;Digitech 2112 SGS, RP-12, RP-1 in for a check up with a tech, all the capacitors are still 100 % fuctional and my sound on on stage or in the studio, is clean and prestine.
thank you for the video
what do you recommend for clean electricity? do you recommend rewiring the whole house or is there a specific power outlet that you should use for best clean electricity?
Audioquest niagara 1200...look it up
Great job Nat, thanks for sharing..
Thank you, no problem.
I have an EMI meter which measures around 800 mV on every circuit in my house. I installed a temporary dedicated line and for the same results. I bought a very expensive brand of power conditioner and it reduced it to around 600mV. I bought 2 Tripp-Lite 500 watt Isolation Transformers, only $300 ea. Each reduced the EMI noise to around 10mV. That is not a typo. The Tripp-Lites reduced the EMI noise to around 10!
I suspect there are other sources or noise in the line but only very expensive equipment can detect other kinds of noise.
Wow, thanks for sharing
Amazing work
Hello All, What Power Conditioner do u all recommend? I'm in the Market for a Power Conditioner? Thanks! I'm a Dj and i had a bad experience this weekend at a outdoor event. Thanks
Hi Nat, thanks for putting this together. What did you end up doing for a resolution?
Yo what's up.....I plan on getting the Audioquest Niagara 1200. It's the best solution for me at the moment. I live in a condo so running a dedicated electrical line is not an option for me.
@@natcoziay Thanks for taking the time to reply Nat, appreciate your help with this and am wishing you all the best with the Niagara. If it's not too much trouble, please let me know how it goes with that unit.
James.
No problem....when I get it I will hit you back with an update.
@@natcoziay Thanks Nat.
Put a link up here to demonstrate what I'm struggling with at a new apartment I've moved into. The issue doesn't happen at any other location with the amplifier, just here at home. Called everywhere, hired an electrician who agreed there was an issue at hand, but could not get to the root of it in the limited time he was there.
I know electric is really hard to sort out - even in person - so online it's nearly impossible. But thought I'd attach it here in the event you may have a minute or two to have a listen. Perhaps the 1200 or 3000 Audioquest would help solve this. Hard to say.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wg6VR-j4tDL8E1gtGG0gD7lbW0ckUFIr?usp=sharing
James.
I couldn't review the link without you giving access..I sent you access request. But the audioquest niagara line should solve any issues you have. It's made to kill all noise in your electrical.
Absolutely valuable video. So, How to solve problem of "dirty electricity"?. Does anyone tried a true online UPS (AC-DC-AC conversion) an then notice the output voltage is really cleaner than input one?. Thank you.
UPS with sine conversion in DC->AC are rare. Usually they use square signal to avoid energy loss on sine generation using transistors logic.
But if ignore it is square it is clean of other noises.
Isolation transformers are the only thing that really works. I use them in my studio
I am running my Distributed Analog Converters (DAC) on 2 mono volts (mV) which is like only 2 rather than 100 of the multi kind.
LMFAO!!!
Was that an active or passive power conditioner?
Are the 2 conditioners grounded (that is with a third prong inserted on a properly grounded socket)? If not, you surely will get a lot of EMI. Just grounding alone will reduce significantly the EMI, and further reduction on connecting to conditioner, that is why I have found.
Yes they are grounded.
Brother - that initial reading of 183 mV strikes me as quite good - I’ve seen other demonstration videos here on CZcams where outlets were generating 1000 mV or more of interference. I’de be damn happy with that sort of baseline in my studio.
The whole thing of 25 mV or less is incorrect?
@@johnmartin5153 what would be an accurate number? .. if there is such a number.
@@7Wounds that’s what I’ve heard but to be honest with you I’ve heard so many different things from so many different people I’m confused as hell now 🤷🏻♂️
Time to study into this deeper
I concur that 183 mV is quite good. In the industry, 5% distortion is acceptable for line power. Calling it "noise" is irrelevant. A good linear or switching power supply turns it into DC regardless. That Green Power thing, that's snake oil.
Enjoyed it. Honest and straight forward testing we can all relate to and understand. Thanks Nat for getting us thinking again about clean power.
You're welcome
Great video man, it's should be helpful for audio lover,,, i just learning something new....
Thanks for making a helpful video....
You're welcome
Thanks for the measurement . I have a 300 ish dollar Furman conditioner .
I never noticed it changed my sound from my guitar amp but maybe my ear want as developed for those specific things a few years ago but unused it again on another amp and it infact seemed to clean up the sound.
It sounded like the high end was more tight and clear. I play with distortion though so it almost made it seem like it had less of the effect of guitar distortion . But it didn’t sound bad, my amp sounded less compressed and mushy and a bit brighter and tighter . I was surprised, I didn’t notice that on my other amp years ago.
I am looking into their higher quality conditioners tho if since some of them have isolation transformers and say offer compete isolation from your wiring without having to re wire your house etc.
I forget of you mentioned in e video, hoe much did your device cost to measure ? And do you know of other devices to measure like this ?
- side note, I did question if I really wanted my sound any brighter or tighter, especially when the goal for rock is distortion . And I wonder if someone wants less distortion for any track, often you find people wanting to add in more harmonic distortion to smoother up transients and fill out the sound . Sometimes I hear tracks that sound too clean. They sound sterile and artificial in a way. In real life music is never Uber clean sounding . But I get people want to add distortion to taste
Yeah, but if you want ultra clean audio, I would suggest Audioquest Niagara series power conditioners for clean sound.
the amp doesnt use AC in the audio signal
thanks Nat,
Great video, I’m also having issues in my home studio, my speakers and mic are picking up frequencies and buzzing. I checked my outlets and they are all grounded. I also have a Furman power condenser. I’m looking into buying
green-wave dirty electricity filter to get rid of the problem.
Check that grounding is properly wired to ground. Sometimes ground wires are dangling without any proper destination.
Alexander Belov thanks for the tip, I bought an outlet tester to that shows if the outlet is grounded or not, it says all my outlets are good. I also bought dirty electricity filters and the frequency is still there. I don’t know what to do
Some of the problems caused by power conditioners include high energy spikes (causing contact arcing, which resembles a clicking sound), lose of detail due to broadband noise, or distortion in the mains supply due to industrial loads. Many of the effects produced by these include bloated bass, distortion, brightness in the high frequency, three dimensional depth reduction and poor imaging. You might be thinking that you don't hear any of these things, so your system must not be effected, well once you add a mains cable, all will become apparent, suddenly your system will open up with superior dynamics, tighter bass, sweeter treble and improved depth and imaging. All this can be achieved by simply using a mains cable on one component, and you will hear the difference immediately. Naturally adding them to all components will offer the best sound!
Total plonker thank you for the help, I looked up mains cable and it just looks like a power cord. Is there any in particular I should be looking for the help with my problem also should I connect it to the power conditioner which is connected to all devices or should I buy a cable for each individual device ie. left speaker, right speaker, desktop etc
Unfortunately it's a trial-and-error process one has to go through for themselves, each setup has its own electricity characteristics so what works for me is not necessary going to work for you! Even though I was astonished by how much my setup had improved with a separately purchased mains cable, sadly it's still hadn't really resolved my hiss/buzz issues!
The only advice I can give you when when purchasing mains cable is you really should consider constructing your own, you can get decent D.I.Y ones for as little as £6 per metre at mcuc.co.uk
You can also try spreading out electricity supply for your devices from another room (via extension lead) hope this helps!
Could you do a test with ferrite cores?
Hey Nat, What If You Stack The Conditioner? One To Condition The Second? Outcome?
very good and instructive test
Thank you
Can someone suggest a low noise power conditioner
So what's the best thing to use for Studio to get clean energy
Check out the audioquest niagara 1200. It's supposed to be really good. That's what I plan on getting.
You sound just like Tyrone from Ownage Pranks. Great video btw
Thought the same exact thing.
Thank you for performing a scientific test on power conditioners. The Internet has needed this for a long time. Would you be willing to review the audio quest powerquest 2 or 3? Thanks!
Thanks for the comment. I dont have one of those units, but if I get one I definitely will test it out for everyone.
@@natcoziay You're very welcome, I'll subscribe in the event you do. Thanks!
👍thanks!
Are you a truck driver?
@@natcoziay Yessir, 48 state longhaul out of Oregon
Hey good video is there any Paul condition with you recommend?
I thought the audioquest niagara was a good recommendation, but my research on that has led me to believe it is not worth it. It seems that hiring an electrician to run a dedicated line is the best option.
@@natcoziay thanks I thought that would be the best solution to get a professional electrician to install a power conditioner because there are some out there but they cost like $25,000 a whole house not paid $25,000 for a power conditioner when you could just hire a professional thanks a lot appreciate it OK take care Nat Coziay...
@@vicvera8949 you're welcome.
So what do we do guys ? Any suggestion ?
At 6:40 that happens all the time lol. LIKE "YOUR NOT USB WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE THIS!?"
Brilliant idea for testing these things and that noise remover gadget on your other video.
One thing that may help is to make sure you have no "wall warts", i.e. SMPS, or Switched Mode Power Supplies, plugged anywhere in that same circuit. This means phone chargers, computer chargers, and the like. I wish I had your meter, but I have learned from many sources that one can pollute all the other devices on the circuit. Try with your meter, and see if it makes a difference. I believe it will. It might explain why you were measuring 180 mV on one video, and 400+ on the other. Could be you plugged in something new.
The conditioners don't filter dirty power.... they smooth the sinusoidal A.C. wave form and maintain a constant voltage over varying loads. Get an oscilloscope if you want to see what they do.....
Hmmm.....good info. You seem to be very knowledgeable. Thanks for the tip. I'm not an expert, just a consumer trying to figure out whether or not I wasted my money on this gear. Thanks again.
Yeah I am using it as a surge protection. But the fact that they do help somewhat is an extra bonus.
Thanks for this test.
mV is millivolts, an electrical term, a division of one volt.
normally yes, but we aren’t in Kansas anymore. Now we are in emi and rf territory. mV is a unit of measure of something entirely different here.
Thanks 👍
The meter is the problem. Almost like a Ghost detector. To be useful it would have common mode and differential mode separation. A spectrum analyser would be handy. 10 kHz to 5 MHz is a useful range. I have tried a device like this at home and found the same as here. Using my 25 MHz analyser I found nothing down to - 70 dB. I use a medium cost filter unit.
Which device so you use?
Hey Bro. It is not called "multi volt". It is called "milli volt". 148 mV means 0.148V and this ist a very low reading. You need ~ 15 times this value to run a red LED. The important thing is, how much energy the 0.148 mV can deliver. What this means is, are these 0.148mV able to deliver some current or will the voltage drop down. The mains filtering is done in the appliances. There are filters an caps inside the power supply that smooth out any voltage variation before a very clean dc voltage is delivered to the electronics. The biggest impact does have the components used inside of your amp or mixer and so on. Especially the quality of the used caps.
In my opinion all these filtering and cleaning devices are nonsense. The point is... if you believe in its effectiveness you will hear a difference, even if it is not there.
did you ground each unit?
yup
So over the years I've Spoken to Electricians on Remodel or New Home Construction Job Sites and the Key to Wiring a Home for Various Applications is Planning for Specific Items like Washer & Dryers, Stoves, Refrigerators, Central Air Conditioner Units and then the General Use Lights and Basic Electric Outlets.... For a Studio/Theater Setup You Need a SEPARATE SWITCH/CIRCUIT PANEL FOR THAT ROOM....Similar to HOSPITAL GRADE EQUIPMENT OUTLETS....That will Allow the Current to be Steady to Direct Points where Equipment is Installed
Did you find anything that worked?
I imagine a lot of the real work would include redoing a ton of the electrical wiring and components in your studio or building (Which is one of those "crap out of luck deals if you don't own your own place or are in an apartment, etc.) like "dedicated lines" on top of having something like this. It seems like at least the Furman was trying to do something, and shaved off around 40-60 Mv on certain plugs. I imagine getting clean power into a studio is going to take a lot more than one little rack unit can do without going up into some insane price point. Even then i'd be skeptical. I was looking into Furman units to use as a good power supply / surge protector with some added features. Seems like the more I look into them the more questions get raised than answered. Thanks for the video! Appreciate the info!
Yeah it seems to be a black hole. But the audioquest niagara 1200 seems to be the best bet right now. Look it up. Right now it's hard to find one because of supply shortages, but it has great reviews.
@@natcoziay Wait, aren't those like 10k+ $$$? Edit: Wait, nm. I was thinking of the 7000 20 amp. My bad. Im trying to set up a small studio of my own just for fun to noodle around in. Been watching a lot of videos. Yours here was by far one of the most helpful i've seen. Subbing for sure!
@@onokomi9723 thanks. The audioquest Niagara 1200 starts at $1k. Still not cheap, but more cost effective than hiring an electrician.
Mine doesn’t indicate a steady 120. It shows 128. I bought it from Amazon, should I return it?
Are you referring to your power conditioner?
@@natcoziay correct
No don't send it back, there is nothing wrong with it. That number is the voltage amount coming from your house. Some areas have higher or lower voltage outputs depending on the time of day. That has nothing to do with the power conditioner itself. The power conditioner is letting you know that your house is putting out 128.
@@natcoziay keep in mind I have a P-1800 AR, it’s a voltage regulator that promotes converting regulation to steady 120 (-/+5). I sent an email to Furman and posted a question on Quora. Folks at Quora suggest I may need to add more load.
@@ReynaldoIvanPena ok I see. I still think the power conditioner is fine.
Thank You for this video. I was searching for something like this. I upgraded my Furman to a better one just to still see the noise. I am thinking of getting a greenware meter and filter. I think it could do my system some justice.
You're welcome
@@natcoziay I ordered a Greenwave Meter and 4 Filters. I'm hoping this works for me. I've watched a few videos where the filters work really well.
@@TracyMichael Good luck to you. Let me know how it works out.
@@natcoziay Will do!!! I have a warm audio setup and the pre-amp WA-73 noise floor is crazy, by the time I send it to the Tube EQ and WA-2A there is way too much noise for comfort.
@@TracyMichael Have you tried adjusting the signal to noise ratio to see if you can get a quality sound?
Look into ferrite chokes, or clip on ferrite beads for your ac lines. It'll suppress rfi more than those fancy power strips. Good luck.
Thank you for this video. Did you ever find a solution..? Cheers… 👍👊🇺🇸
Yes, audioquest...look them up.
Have you tried using the Greenwave Filters?
No I haven't
I’m looking for audio quality improvement as well for my Home Theatre. I just ordered an EMI meter and those filters. Hopefully I see a difference.
I have done research on audioquest. Their reviews are good. I will be getting the audioquest niagara 1200. I hear it's the best on the market right now
Check this vid out. It may work.
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@@D1Calderon any updates about filters? looking to try some
What did you expect using cheap power conditioners ? Try a Gigawatt or Audioquest, and the result will be very different ...
I have dirty multiamps. Is that bad?
Depends on how much multiwatts the device is using.
You guys are multinuts lol
No. You can never have too many dirty, filthy amps. Ditto guitars. 😉
thank you NAT!!! I HAVE BEEN WONDERING!!! this is real shit, it's what the people need. "multivolts." despite your misknowledge, you still have a legitimate scientific reasoning and demonstration. very helpful.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
@@natcoziay agreed, good video. It’s all nonsense.
we know that thing will reduce noice from plugs, but the true factor is and only is, will it make the systems sound better
No, of course not.
Thank you, Sir :D
I needed to know about M8DX, looks like garbage to me. I just bought Furman ELITE15 DM i
If you want me to post my findings, just like my comment, so I remember to post up the results.
I will test the unit using Trifield Dirty Electricity tester
Yes please let us know your findings.
Multivolts huh? Well it would take a bolt of lightning.
Do a video on audiophile fuses, they make a huge difference.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great vid man it really opened my eyes to some bad advice I received . Courageous thing you did .
No problem
lol you should still get a power conditioner, he needs to do more research.
nice!
Watch out for those dirty MultiVolts :) (i use Isotek Sirius, G2 Optimum, Audioquest NRG-10 and a few Isoplugs. wish i had good meter and Isotek Aquarius)
You know how to waste money. :O)
I should have said. I was able to build a filter to any sensible layout . I ended up using a simple 4.4 uF shunt filter. I would liken that to maximum dose paracetamol with strong coffee. I was left with the feeling the meter was more the snake oil device. It's like a light meter they doesn't say what the exact problem is. One experimenter used 25 uF..That seems very close to the mains frequency.
The units you are testing are passive units and stop gap solutions. Real power conditioners are very expensive and use active components.
Thanks
What do you think about the audioquest niagara 1200?
@@natcoziay welcome actually I am waiting for you to review that 😉
You could try a isotek evo3 power conditioner, they get amazing reviews from / upscale audio
WOW! I really need to invest in a proper ac line power conditioner. I don't want to shatter the bank
Puritan power conditioners have good reviews, there a little pricey but might be worth it... check out OCD hi fi guy.
Audioquest has power conditioners that actually filter out ac noise as far as I’ve seen.
Doctor DirtySound and the Multi-Volts of Electricity
Have you found something that works better since making this video? Thanks.
I'm still saving for the audioquest. I was gonna get the Niagara 1200 but I'm going to get the bigger unit. Look at the audioquest niagara 1200. That will solve your problems, at least the reviews seem to be good
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If your electricity is dirty why dont you clean it with some water?
409 makes some good power cleaner!
Black Lion Audio PG-2 Power Grid Power Conditioner cleaned my noise nicely! I’m whisper quite and super clear! Power conditioner (Some) actually perform well. Guess I got lucky. I’m running all my outboards through it and decided to remove and pack away my ebtech hum eliminators as they’re not needed any longer.
Hmm.. I gotta check that out. Thanks
183v without any filters is actually darn good on your location. Unless you had nothing really plugged in on that circuit that is.
Did you ever find a suitable product that is affordable and reduces noise? I've seen one other video similar to this and same results. Independent testing does not meet the manufacturer's claims.
Look into shunyata research they have noise reduction cables and power conditioners
this meter probably made in china, i found one with exact spec but a different logo which sells at around US$72. Shop owner did a test, APC - SurgeArrest [Personal] outlet does an amazing job, meter reads 1.2-1.3mV.
MULTI VOLTS ? YOURE KILLING ME
A lot of multiamps will kill you too! CAUTION
So basically, they offer some surge protection, neatness behind the rack and some visual esthetics to the rack???
You got it
Great review thanks! Please try the new Audioquest Niagra 1200. These power products are not of high quality.
Thanks. I'll look into that.
It's $1000+ dollars.... not for the faint of heart.
Saved me money. Thanks.
Yes this is true u need more expensive line conditioners for ultra emi filtering
That make no difference !!! My amp and CD player already filters the mains.
@@r423sdex how
Thanks for sharing. I wonder if the filters would be more effective if the incoming power was worse than the 180mv that you had. Truth be told, that 180 isn't that bad.
I was advised to buy a cheaper power conditioner (Pyle PCO 800) and now I'm glad I did. It does provide multi-outlet and surge protection, which is really nice. And it also does reduce the line buzz compared to not using one at all, although that's just using my ear and not measured with a proper meter.
Good thoughts..interesting
Cool he told us they dont work, respect... SO what do we do to clean up the power?
Either get something like an Audioquest Niagara 1200 or have a dedicated power line run into your studio. You will need an electrician for the dedicated line. The Audioquest Niagara costs around $1K
If the electricity from the power conditioner is dirty then what's the point in having one when they claim clean power?
That's my question too
Maybe they do offer surge protection
@@natcoziay yes they offer surge protection but the power better be clean too. If you place a filter on a power conditioner does it clean it up?
@@arielstereo5484 That was the purpose of this video. This video was to show that these power conditioners are nothing more than fancy surge protectors in my opinion. I am not an electrical expert. I simply did a common sense test to show that the power conditioner did nothing but make my bank account smaller.
@@natcoziay
Thank you for the video! Glad you did it. Most people including me think it's true clean power and it's not.
What's it supposed to be at?
I am not an electrical expert...but from what I know, the closer you get to zero, the cleaner the signal
Wouldn't you need a voltage regulator and not just a power conditioner to accomplish this?
I don't think you can make a sweeping judgement based on an entry-level power conditioners...you get what you paid for...the more you pay...the better the filtration...it's like cars...can't expect the same performance out of a Yugo than a Mercedes...the Furman you used doesn't even have LiFT filtration...Furman has Elite and IT versions that eliminate all noise...I currently use a Panamax m5400-pm for my home entertainment system...and one can clearly see and hear the difference in tv, projector and sound system....
I don't see how this is a 'real world' scenario as the chain must be: ground outlet -> Black Lion -> ground unit to even work properly. The measuring device is missing the ground pin.
Yes, I can clearly see the 183 multi-Volts. Even though I have no Idea what a multi-Volts might be???
Monster seems to have mechanical problem: a few of the sockets are too tight.
It's a design 'feature' for superior surface contact... some (actual) high end sockets, and even some super high end industrial outlets grip plugs so tightly that if you tried to remove them by pulling on the cord.... you'd rip the head right off.
No offense but I think you are thinking on Power conditioner as Insolation Transformer, those are different things. Power conditioning helps to remove noise from other devices drawing power from a wall. So you have to run this test with multiple equipment running to see how well these remove noise. A Insolation Transformer is what cleans electricity but they require a proper galvanic ground.
A way to see it, a power conditioner is like water filter, while a isolation transformer is like having your own clean water reservoir.
This is dangerous. I’m getting used to multivolts instead of millivolts
Mohahahah
What the hell is a multi volt?
@@BigAl60504 I guess volts but multiple
I need a painkiller after hearing multivolts about 200 times. I think 30 multigrams of oxycodone should do the trick. 😄
To me this was just how good the furman filtration is overall