What Happened To The Last Video - Why I'm Done With BJD
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2019
- You might have noticed that our most recent video is now missing. There was a good reason for that but I didn't want to just write a brief post so I made this video to explain. I will be back soon with a regular video but for now I hope this will help you understand what has been happening.
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I just found this video based on recommended, and I just wanted to apologize on behalf of the community... I've been a quiet bjd'er myself for several years now (5 or 6) as a result of all of the above and below mentioned with the bjd groups and how toxic they are, and about 3 or so years ago, completely lost interest in my dolls, of which I have 6. As you probably now know, that's a lot of money haha, and for it to go to waste because this community is so toxic is a real shame. The entire point of the dolls is to express your creative self, and for that to get demonized like it has is exactly why it's so hard to find people to follow or gain inspiration from....and it makes anyone interested in this incredible hobby completely turned off of it. I honestly don't blame anyone for not wanting to join based on that alone. But I appreciate you making this vid, because it brings to light exactly how it is, and more often than not I find some really, truly talented artists and creators who just deserve better, but are unable to truly enjoy or share because of how toxic it is. You definitely had no idea going into this, you've never owned a doll before, most beginners GO for the cheaper, more available dolls because it's easier for them to access a doll and begin their journey without knowing how it's stealing from the original artist, that it's a fake, that you're suddenly the "devil", yadda yadda yadda. I am in the minority involving recasts, and even though I would never get my own, I don't go around telling people how terrible they are for not knowing better, or for not being able to afford the original version. I don't go around making people feel terrible PERIOD.
Anyways... I don't know you at ALL apart from this vid, but I've subscribed. Your honesty is awesome, and I hope that you keep the doll and try to enjoy her on your own, if that's something you're interested in. I found these dolls when I was looking for a WoW figurine some odd years ago, and then bought my first one when my mom had to have part of her thyroid removed due to possible cancer. The doll herself is incredibly beautiful, and 6 dolls later, I still take pride in all I've created and the boundaries I've pushed within myself artistically, and find it rewarding when I do take the time to enjoy it. They're therapeutic, really.
For anyone looking into the hobby, if you really want to spend the money on a doll, I say go for it. If you were looking forward to the community portion, there are still some REALLY great people out there in the hobby who aren't total assholes, and if anything, it's worth a shot if you think it is. I don't regret getting into it, and I think that if it's something you truly want, please don't let a group of toxic buttholes get in your way. They aren't worth your time.
Again, so sorry this was your first experience, but I so appreciate the voice for it, because it needs to be talked about so it can get FIXED. Or at least, get a ball rolling. :)
tropicalrain16 what a comment
tropicalrain16 WOW! You wrote like a whole essay
Well said @tropicalrain16!
Wow u Roath a lot✌
I went through the exact same thing :l
As a private collector of BJDs, I have had issues with the larger community. I completely agree with your feelings towards the bullies. While Recasts are a big problem within the community, we need to take the time to educate instead of attacking people. I kind of stopped posting my dolls online after being attacked for a face up (on a blank face) that I did when I was starting out.
But I have a question from someone on the outside. Is recasting a bjd any worse than hot topic, fye, or any other nerd store stealing fanart for their shelves? Or music and movie piracy?
I mean if each original doll earns someone 500-2,000 dollars or more, then one or two 100 dollar recasts out of their hundred sales, or heck, even 50 recasts out of their hundred sales, isn't really going to hurt them any more than it does, say, ponyphonic. Or natewantstobattle
@@robinskyemckenzie5448 It really does impact the artists within the sculpting portion of the community. Most of the sculpture artists that I know don't actually get much profit off of their limited production runs because the money goes into their next project. Some of them do reproduction runs if there is a demand for it, but it is pretty rare or it is for a base doll and not the clothing collection (which is what most people are looking for).
Recasts are rather frequently poor quality in materials used and construction. That is why people saying that it might have smelled strange instead of asking Jen if it did. I have seen recasts fall apart or yellow on owners within months of purchase and they can't get it refunded or fix it themselves. I feel like the art theft is on par with Hot Topic's practice.
As for FYE, I never heard of them stealing fan art, but I left the company back before they really started to sell pop culture merchandise.
@@weegieluigi Most of the people weren't giving her any advice or suggestions on how to find an official doll. They were straight up attacking her for purchasing a recast. I have seen members of the community act completely out of control if they discover that someone accidentally purchased a recast.
Norman Jayden bullying does not have to happen over a long period of time.
I cannot comment as to what people were commenting, as I am unaware (having not watched the video in question, or read the comments.)
Your right though, bullying can happen over a period of time. But the act of bullying is defined as “ to intimidate, or domineer; to be loudly arrogant or overbearing” Individuals can act like a bully as described above. This does not need to be a reoccurring act in order for someone to feel they are being bullied. But your right, generally someone who is a bully tends to treat others with the same actions or responses on a regular basis.
But, to try to stay objective and see both sides (the CZcamsr and the audience described in this video) it sounds like the video in question was trolled by quite a few individuals who viewed it. (This is based on the comments made in this video. Trolls are usually outside individuals who purposely add toxic comments or try to create conflicts or arguments on posts for fun)
Regardless, from the comments she has made in this video, and how she has described peoples reactions, it does sound like she may have had a negative reaction to her video where individuals may have abruptly or rudely commented on her content.
I feel bad that in trying to be open and honest with her viewers on what she was reviewing, she had individuals negatively (and possibly harshly) comment or react to her content.
I don’t see anything wrong with this response video. She explained what happened from her point of view, as well as why she took the video down.
People can have a difference of opinion, and still be respectful. They can strongly disagree or not like someone’s content without being toxic or rude.
The shame is that your video and it’s comments section could have been a wonderful learning opportunity about recasts and the issues related to them. But people got all attacky and rude and it was awful. I’m sorry you had to deal with that.
I saw the comments there and, save a few, most comments were kind, respectful and educational. I think at least. I’m sure there were some who were rude too, and of course, I understand how Jen read those and got upset. :(
Yeah, and honestly if they were all phrased the certain way, it sounds like someone sent a band of white knights after her as a knee-jerk, holier-than-thou reaction. Either that, or it could've been a spambot from one or two people. If Jen has any of the messages, she can file a police report for harassment and cyber-bullying if she wants to.
The funny/sad part is that lolita communities are the same way as bjd communities, too.
Jona Wanders most likely Jen put a filter up to hold comments if they have trigger words (cursing ect) so they very well may have been way more then we saw. Also twitter, insta and even e-mail, so I can see how that gets to be overwhelming.
most of the comments I saw were pretty decent education posts or people expressing disgust at the recaster's shady practices, I didn't see any hate directed at Jen, just sympathy for being used as a pawn. Sad that apparently some negative stuff filtered through but to tar a WHOLE community and hundreds of companies just becuase of a few internet trolls is honestly pathetic and nasty.
Ohhh yes, I did see plenty of horrible comments, completely blasting her for videoing a recast, and saying she knew it was a recast and did it anyway, calling her a horrible person for accepting stolen art. There were also conversations among them in the comments section about her, as if she wasn't there. Honestly, it is no different than talking behind her back while she is in the next room listening.
I notice a lot of commenters saying they enjoy collecting the BJDs quietly or in private because of bad experiences when sharing about their hobby online. People shouldn’t have to do that. It sounds like the artists and companies who produce these legitimately should try and help squelch the toxicity in their fan base.
the facebook bjd groups are really nice. It's DOA that seems to be the breeding ground for a lot of nonsense and that's more due to their "bury your head in the sand and ignore issues rather than discuss them like adults" approach to big issues like counterfeiting. I don't agree with or much like the moderation of DOA and there's substantially better communities out there, it's obsolete at this point. Once the big granddaddy, now pretty much useless. Who uses forums now? It's all instagram and tumblr and facebook and such. And I assure you, the facebook groups, the active ones, are really nice and the tumblr doll community in general is usually pretty cool. There's toxic people everywhere, I mean I got harrassed repeatedly by a bloody FURBY collector so hard I had to delete my account to get away from it, they kept making new accounts to send me more anon hate and spam my feed with personal attacks. FURBY collector, I mean jesus, furby people are usually so chill. The fact is, horrible people exist everywhere and don't represent a whole community, they represent only themselves.
Purple Monkfish a furby collector! Wow. That’s a new one for me! I had to do this over tamagotchis.
They really should. I hate nothing more than companies letting their fanbase be a toxic meltingpot. Like say something, else you just seem ignorant and money hungry.
@@purplemonkfish sadly, I disagree about fb groups being so welcoming, awesome, and all rainbows & sunshine.
Nope. They're not. There are lots of haters. Lots of drama. Mostly bragging on HOW MUCH they paid for dolls, no educational content or helping newbies.
The only helpful group I saw is "Recast friendly BJD"
@@izuizabela6613 sounds like you're hanging out in the wrong groups. The Resinsoul group is lovely, as are several of the others. Yes there's some full of tedious drama but that's "so called adults" for you. I've NEVER seen anyone bragging about how much they paid for a doll, what the hell group was this?
I got mine 2ndhand and then discovered it was recast. I was treated as if I deliberatly bought a recast. Got kicked out and all the negativity, so now I'm on my own with it and not interested dealing with the community at all. I'm keeping him. He isn't bad at all.
Screw the BJD community. If you like the doll, what they think doesn't really matter.
Good it's yours and if you love the doll then who care about what others think
And the worst part of all this is that they judge you for the rest of the life for something you did years ago, even if you quit the bad habits there is no redemption for them, they really make the bjd hobbie something difficult to bear
@Bobert Wiltshire well, I discovered I can get the 1/4 male to wear high heel boots by replacing the feet with 1/3 female high heel feet. Had to sand down the joints, but it was a nice surprise :) . Something I wouldn't even dare to think on doing with the expensive ones.
@Bobert Wiltshire Perfect! So many dolls! I also enjoy my BJDs alone. People are rude as heck and at this point now I really don't care.
The doll was a bootleg, plain and simple. But someone not in the know wouldn't know that. The word "recast" makes it sound like it's a legitimate product. I honestly don't know why people had to be so nasty about it when they know you only do limited research to give a fresh and honest opinion. Really sorry all of this happened, Jen.
Just the ‘re’ part of the word ‘recast’ alone just makes it seem like the company is just remaking an older design to rerelease them.
Right?! I've been a convention seller and I've sold reproduction gundams; old designs that get sold to 3rd party companies to make gundams Bandai is no longer interested in producing. They're completely legit, just not produced by Bandai's own factories. So it's not like it's completely unheard of in the industry.
Yeah, I think the community needs to come up with another word for them. "Recast" should refer to the artist remaking or having their dolls remade with a mold- and something like "Copy" or "Bootleg" should refer to the stolen designs.
It's the same with any regular art- an artist will do reprints of previous runs of artwork they had for sale. "Recast" unless you're in the know already doesn't sound like a terrible thing and doesn't imply at all that it's a stolen design.
@@Palitato exactly. Why do they call it a recast if what they really mean is "fake", why don't they just call a fake a fake instead of giving it the prettified name "recast", which, as has been said, makes it sound like something official. Without knowing something about a product if something was listed as a "recast" I'd assume it was like a reprint of the original done by the original artist. Perhaps those who first called them recasts were looking to mislead ppl in that way?!
@@madisonlewe1057 Y'know, I think you're onto something here - and something someone else said here I think, that the producers of recasts probably came up with that word. Cuz I'd almost bet that if in that 20sec of research Jen came across the word "bootleg" or "fake" instead of "recast", this whole thing might not have happened.
Which it shouldn't have anyway. I, personally, learned about recasts and the issues with them from Jen's previous video - one more person looking to get into BJDs educated! - but nope, not good enough for apparently a huge chunk of that community. And there goes my interest in it.
Accidentally acquiring "bootleg" bjd without knowing and getting yelled about it is.. Just insane.
Ikr.. people doesn't even think about their actions before judging
@Bobert Wiltshire you’re full of it trying hard to justify aiding & abetting criminals.
They're rich people trying to feel superior
When i first saw a BJD, I tried asking people in the BJD community about BJD's and where to purchase one. They were all extremly rude and they made it clear they didn't want new members who didn't know anything about BJD's. I bought my own and keep well away from the community as a whole. The dolls are amazing and I still love their look. You did nothing wrong.
Well I’m sorry for that if you want a bjd friend or advice you can add me on insta
Labyrinthdarling I personally haven’t had bad experiences really But I would love to see your doll
I've asked the publisher questions but he/she never answered but a month later they said they where out of their "item" but I saw the number of dolls and it was 1034 dolls so I confronted him/her and orderd one and I got a twisted knee and and a small head
i had a similar issue, i had to do a lot of my own research and that's so foggy and hard to get through because everything is so vague and they have their own language, so now i try to be as open about any information people need from me as i can.
I'm sorry the community treated you this way. I've been a collector for over a decade. I mostly keep to myself and a few friends. If you need some bjd friends, I'm here as well.
@@nadineayash9571 oh my, what a petty jerk! Did you get a refund?
The BJD community sounds like the Reborn community. I recently got dragged on a Reborn group online because I posted some pictures to a doll was assigned to paint for a college art class. Apparently the mold was something of a recast. And even though I had never heard of reborn dolls before this class, I was the "World's Worst Person" for not knowing that my classroom assignment was a reproduction.
I'm sorry that you had this experience. Trust me, I've been there.
I bought a bjd that was original, and a person thought it was a recast, came to talk to me about recasts, and she scared me a lot, I had to prove it was original showing the certificate ~ Creepy
Doll Cop sounds like the most lame ass thing to be in existence. "Show me your Doll papers or your going to Doll Jail" I would have honestly called the real police on that creep.
That is sick. Some doll brands dont even have CoA. My dolls dont have CoA bc RS didnt made those back when I bought mine. And this is why I feel that I could have a hard time if I ever feel like selling one.
love your cosplay tbh also you dont have to show anything because its your own doll and you have your one choice to buy a recast. i have a snow miku recast because im broke af and if ppl would like to send me money to buy a original oof please do
@@lilith1493 "show me your doll papers"🤣🤣🤣 sksksk sksksk who they think they are??? Donald Trump are they gonna deport my doll back to China if I don't show my doll papers🤣🤣🤣
@@vanessabanales3689 Thank you
As someone who advocates for buying legit dolls, I also think mistreating people who aren't 100% educated on why recasts are bad also gets nothing done.
I would say don't let this completely stop you from pursuing or checking out BJDs in the future, however!!
I am not into it. But as of this I'd not want my kids or neices into them now. To sad for them if they do stuff wrong.
It is definitely a hobby that is difficult to get into, both because of the community and the high price tag.
@jowalter05 that's what I mean. Why get into something that can cause mental distress.
@@makaylaserniotti1474 from your comment though you seem to think it is acceptable to bully and mistreat people who are 100% informed on re casts and buy them ie moi
This happened to me. I was a kid and accidentally bought a recast, posted a few pics of it and boom, about 30 death threats.
Advice to beginners:
The community is really fucking toxic. Be careful.
you were a child and you were getting death threats??? that's horrible i'm so sorry that happened to you
Those people should have been arrested for the death threats!!! Absolutely unacceptable!!!❤❤❤
*SHES A BEGINNER* Oh my gosh, why can people be so toxic, I don’t agree with producing re casts. But that doesn’t mean I now *hate* her. I love this CZcams channel. I can’t believe someone would go out if their way to hate in other people.
*Keep being you Jen.*
*And keep doing the vids you love.*
The BJD community is sometimes really awful - Even from your BEST FRIENDS...or who you thought was were your friends. I collected legit BJDs for more than 4 years and was the admin of a very popular local BJD group, and was very much a pro artist as I was an artist myself and my business was BJDs. Someone new bought a recast doll by complete accident as her first doll, and people in my group wanted her to throw it away or destroy it (The recast was over $300 too). I wanted the group to not judge her for a mistake and as long as she didn't intentionally do it again, it would be okay. We could help her collect real dolls. People LITERALLY cried and left the group, saying it made them sick and they couldn't even be around a fake doll, EVER. Because those members were more senior than me, I was pretty much ousted from the group, and the girl who made the mistake was kicked too. I've also heard horror stories of people destroying other people's dolls if they were discovered to be recast in other local groups, i.e. throwing it against a tree or into a lake.
I since sold most of my dolls. I hope to collect, but if I do, I am going to do so privately.
That's horrible! I never knew some people could be so horrible and destroy other people's dolls just because it's a recast.
It's like hitting someone just for wearing fake designer clothes. Not everyone can afford the original thing.
Holy cow. I took an interest in Dollfie so many years ago and never bought a super size one because of the price point. I’m glad I exited that scene before any of this started. This sounds disgusting.
How stupid to pitch out a purchase just because of a group. It is still something special even if it is not genuine. Beauty is subjective and treating people badly is NOT beautiful.
@@maddier1388 Totally agree to this. And not everyone can afford the legit item as well.
I remember when I first tried to get a BJD, I did some research and brought it up to a few people I knew who had some. They jumped down my throat because one of the few I was looking at was apparently a recast. They refused to talk to me for a month.
I never got one after that and told them to pound sand when they came back to me because they "forgave me"
Who else saw this coming? The bjd community is dying out because the community itself is extremely toxic and filled with people that are very insecure and downright rude to newcomers and people that don't follow their style. I love the video Jen, it made me want to buy her but I sadly knew if I would ever post in ig about any that I bought that I would be picked apart. It's really sad because the community is filled with a lot of younger people but mostly adults, and that's extremely sad that adults behave that way.
Honestly, when she first made the video, I was so worried this would happened and was elated to see that it seemed most people were being really nice. And clearly that didn't last :/ This is part of why I generally stay out of the doll community.
I'm just really sad it ended up going this way in the end for so many reasons.
@@CrystalDreams the rest of the doll community I feel like from my personal experiences are really nice people and it's not really the dolls that define who they are or give them a rank. in the bjd community though your dolls for some reason make you more important than others and it's really offsetting. I'm not saying everybody is like that but the people that jumped the gun on Jen are definitely the people I wouldn't want to try to talk to or get information from about the community. but like I said for my own personal experience I've never had any other issue with anybody else was in the doll collecting community, it's just bjd.
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@@lynne99 I've definitely had some good experiences. I actually got two of my three BJDs secondhand (A Fairyland Luna Rose Full-package and an Iplehouse Limited Edition Emilia) so I've definitely seen some of the nicer parts. I mainly stayed in the Pullip fandom at first before I got scammed and then I kind of faded out and the BJD scene was a bit too much for me as there was just so much to keep track of. I have a handful of BJD dolls on my wishlist that I keep hoping to get at some point regardless so sometimes I still poke in on DoA for any possible secondhand stuff.
I think people need to realize that a lot of people who get recasts aren't doing it selfishly. They don't know or don't fully understand recasts (heck, even in the community, I'm STILL trying to learn more about it and it's hard because so much of the information available is in such a biased stance that it doesn't give me a good idea of it) or maybe their family surprised them. Also, while it may not be the start people want, it actually encourages a lot of people to buy the real ones once they do end up doing research! They may even use the recast for customization and buy the real one. Or they never had a BJD and it was a way to check it out to see what they're like.
It's just a shame because all they are doing is hurting people and lessening interest rather than focusing on the act of them being made and the company doing it. And regardless, there's no reason to be cruel.
The worst experience I had was someone yelling at me for having my dolls laid out on my bed while I mentioned I was clearing up an area to have them displayed better... They were perfectly fine, but they felt like anything besides perfectly posed was awful and it made me feel terrible. I stopped taking doll photos after that.
An IG bjd seller called me too poor for the hobby and told me to buy Monster High dolls. I have zero interest in storebought dolls and I simply asked about the price of an outfit. The people that are deep into the hobby are extremely cliquey and your typical mean girls that want to gatekeep the hobby.
I find most of them really toxic and even though I still follow some on IG, they are so full of themselves over spending hundreds and thousands on plastic. That's all the dolls boil down to. Plastic.
It's weird to see something so pretty be so ugly below the surface
As a collecter, there's always a golden rule I follow:
"Collect things that you have a genuine liking to, never collect simply for their value alone"
People who put inanimate objects before the wellbeing and feelings of others have something extremely unhealthy going on. It makes me wonder if they even value the dolls they collect or they're buying them to feel some kind of self worth.
Here's a bit of a morbid reality check: we're not going to live forever, so whatever we own will get left behind. All those "priceless" BJDs may eventually end up somewhere unconventional, maybe even broken or devalued in some way. There's no certainty that all original BDJ dolls will be as important as they are now, even if they will be, elitist people are just wasting their time being hateful.
Exactly!
Preach!
The old elitist argument is pretty played out in the bjd community tbr. Like if you value putting the people before the object like you claim them why not put the artist who make the real dolls first? I mean last time I checked they are people...
Recasters are literally art thieves, it's not necessary for you to have a BJD and if you want a cheap one you can get cheap ones from someone who's not *literally* stealing other people's work and claiming it as their own. Witchunting people who've accidentally bought or obtained recasts is highly inappropriate, but you don't have to be on the other, nasty ass end of the spectrum to disagree with harassment, yknow? Y'all do know, right?
This isn't a discussion of "originals are more valuable therefore better", the problem is people taking artist's work, making copies of it, and profiting off of them without the consent of the artists. It's a question of "should people purchase bootleg dolls" and not doll elitism.
It's so unfortunate that you've been attacked for something you didn't know about. I always advocate for buying the legit version of something, but you can't be faulted for not knowing about this. You're a newb to this community. I am so sorry to hear that you are being attacked for this. I always think that older members of a community should educate and help newer members instead of attacking them and pushing them away. I honestly loved the video. Don't let this negativity affect you or your channel. We love you.
How much do you want to bet that these bullies are the type of people who have no issue wearing fake LV/Dior/Gucci/etc?
She didn't even buy it, it was sent to her for free, people can be so nasty x
Well, this completely slipped under my radar. Sometimes it baffles me how incredibly toxic people can be online. Not just in their choice of words, but in their opinions as well. Quite frankly it is unacceptable and a lot of these people conveniently forget that they themselves are not perfect.
I find it hard to believe that the majority of those saying such things to you could have belonged to your normal audience. Surely, anyone who has watched your videos should, to use their own phrasing, know better than to assume any malice on your part. If they were even vaguely familiar with your content, they would know that you never try to cover up the faults of a product, nor engage in conduct that you know to be wrong. I am tempted to think that one or two in the community might have come across your video, then spread the word which lead to dogpiling.
I think that some people tend to forget that they are privileged to be able to purchase originals, rather than recasts. I am an artist myself, I create handmade fairy furniture, houses and do digital art. I am very aware that far from everyone has the ability, be it because of founds or something else, to commission me. Originals are not cheap and far from everyone has the money, so when someone chooses to pay me, I am very grateful. I find it incredibly arrogant to 1) look down on someone for having to go with a recast, or treat them like monsters, or 2) to presume to know why the person has a recast to begin with.
I refuse to believe that any person, have they the opportunity, the knowledge or the means to do so, would consciously choose not to support the creator behind something that they love. If they lack one or more of these things, it is not a lost sale, for they would not have purchased the original to begin with. This is not me saying that one should not endeavour to support the creators if one can, but rather an attempt to caution people against assuming to know everything behind other people's decisions. If you are able to purchase an original creation, good on you, but do not vilify those who have not acted like you for one reason or another. It will only ever reflect badly upon yourself and your community.
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i can’t believe i wasted like 5 mins reading that lol
I just stopped the video to read this masterpiece. Thank you Charles Kam. No body could have said this better.
Well said! I am really getting tired of internet culture and all these hateful people who feel like they have the right to put people down just because someone isn't doing something they think they should. They need to get off their high horses, be mature, and message the person... preferably politely... before sicking their minions on someone.
*sigh* People have plumb lost their minds...
I agree with absolutely everything you have said
Toxic fandom has become so bad over these last year's. With both toys, movies and just about everything else.
That is why I have chosen to stay out of communities if I enjoy something. It just ruins it for me to see how toxic most fandoms are these days.
i agree. the harry potter, danganronpa, dsmp, etc i dropped out of because of the toxicity
I'm so sorry you had to go through this and that it has made you not want to associate with the BJD-community in the future, though I completely understand why you would feel that way after this whole mess. I am strongly opposed to recasts and would never intentionally purchase one myself, but I would never, ever harrass someone over their choice to buy one, especially not if the person in question is new to the hobby and doesn't know the difference. I don't think anyone buys a recast because they are awful people who want to hurt artists and legit BJD companies, people buy recasts because they simply don't know any better. That warrants EDUCATION - NOT bullying. You can't expect people to know everything from the get go, it's completely unreasonable. We were all confused, uninformed newbies at one point, and a lot of people seem to completely forget that.
Recasts are a problem and it needs to be talked about, but we GOTTA start educating people about the matter in a kind and respectful way, because I'm sick and tired of seeing people get yelled at and torn down for not being experts, to the point where it makes people want to leave the hobby completely. Your video was absolutely fine and I wish people would have seen it for what it was - an opportunity to welcome a new member to our community AND have a friendly, constructive conversation about recasts at the same time. This toxic, elitist mentality is the reason many of us choose not to partake in the community at all and just keep our dolls to ourselves, it's sad and frustrating but it's the way things are and have been for a while, unfortunately. Again, sorry you had to deal with this, it actually baffles me that people can be so immature and unkind...
What does BJD stand for? I have no idea what going on or why? Please explain
Whitney Dahlin ball joint doll, I think!
The worse part is that Jen isn’t the first person I’ve seen getting attacked because they got a recast and didn’t know better at the moment. I don’t know better because I don’t own any dolls but honestly asking or wanting more info scares me cause I fear all the repercussions of making a mistake & getting something I’m not supposed to get...
Thumbs up for you being nice and not condescending about everything.
Very well said! I can’t stand this- it happens all the time with other things- not just the BJD community and it’s so frustrating- thank you for your words of wisdom!
Completely agree
How horrible is the BJD community that this sweet, sweet woman has to basically make an apology video for nothing! You guys attacked her for NOTHING! She said she was unfamiliar with this side of the "toy/doll" market. But no lets attack her to the point she removed a video, COME ON!
its not the whole community but most of it.
Even a vocal minority is often big enough to be an issue. I understand a lot of the reasons people collect BJDs, but at the same time, I don't understand the reason some people get their pants in such a massive twist over them (ethical issues with production and wasteful packaging aside, of course).
Thanks guys, never had this many likes! I don't comment often, but this one irked me. I know it's not all of the community, but the very vocal ones ripped her apart. I understand the whole recast issue and I agree, but she was completely upfront with the fact that she was uneducated before hand about that aspect.
Totally agree! And the fact that she did an apology vid just shows she’s an awsome woman! Next time she shouldn’t even entertain any of that foolishness. Happy holidays...
Norman Jayden Lol troll, it ain’t gonna werk.😘
As a BJD artist- Yes, it's better to buy directly from the artist if you can, but it's understandable that A) a first time buyer wouldn't know to do that or B) you can't afford the price from the artist. Of course, I recommend saving up for the original if you can. Artists pour a lot of love and time and energy into making their doll and it does suck their work is essentially stolen. But in my mind the fault is on the person doing the recasts, not the buyers. I love your channel Jen and think no differently of you for buying a recast. It's an honest mistake to make and hope that you will consider stepping back into the world of BJDs in the future.
She didn't buy it. Some recast company sent it to her, & she didn't realize what a recast was. She certainly didn't deserve the mudslide of toxicity she got.
So, a recast is stolen, not an approved larger order? Trying to clarify for my own sake.
Clearly you didn't hear her They send it to her... Do you people live in some kind of bubble or something? damn
@@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954 even when trying to be “nice” the community is toxic 💀
I can't believe that the BJD community could be this bad, I wanted to get a BJD and I would want to post it online but now I've been put off even more (the price point was one but not the biggest one)
I can't believe this people would attack you over a simple review video and the thing is most of the community are over 21 and it's really childish of them to attack you.
💙Hades💙 the community is trash, just buy one because you want one and it makes you happy :)
Don’t let trolls put you off, there are actually really nice people in the community. If the price point is an issue that’s one thing but if you enjoy something don’t let others negativity bring you down.
The community isint trash she's completely exaggerating what happend she's points a very small part of the community and acts as if the entire community is like that I've even seen some of the private message she claimed were hate not saying some weren't but most were really kind just explaining why recast are so bad she even realizes this and then still made this video 😑
@@poltergeistghost truth! The community is perfectly fine so long as you aren't actively buying fakes and harming it.
💙Hades💙 I like your profile pic
Honestly I was looking into starting to save up for my first BJD for a while, and after watching this horrible situation there is no amount of money you could pay me that would warrant getting involved with that community. Jen, you are such a good creator, and you're one of the strongest people I've seen on here in a long time for the way you handle things. Go get a massage or something- you deserve it!
Bjds are worth it. They are fun, pretty, and prideful to own. But the people are another story. If you want a Bjd, don't let them ruin it.
Just don't be a part of the community then.
I don't support recasts either, but god what people did to you is unaceptable, you specified in the video it was a recast and you were unaware of it. I'm sorry you're been harassed by idiots Jen, you don't deserve any of that hate, you're such a nice lady and your videos always make me so happy since i'm not able to buy dolls or toys for myself right now, and i still love then, so i get enjoyment out of seeing you get the toys i want. I even own a bjd and i was so happy to see you get your first one, the pullip as well. I hope people stop harassing and being awful to you for this, you deserve the best.
I was going to post just this. I’ve left the BJD community because the dolls are very difficult to look after and I’m disabled, so i struggle to even dress them. I’m a reborn and 80’s baby doll collector now. The bjd community in the U.K. is lovely honestly.
But like you, Jen. I found some of the American community to be rather toxic and full of itself. Recasts happen and they get sold. They are a cheaper option for folks and there’s no shame in your honest review.
I am profoundly disgusted and upset that this happened to you..Who the heck do these people think they are ? It makes me so sad to see you so upset sweetheart. We are not all like these stupid rude idiots, please believe that. Shame on you BJD community!
I challenge any of the idiots who where nasty to you, to pm me and see how how far they get. Love you and your content Jen. Be strong.
UserLMH I second your comment. I am also in the BJD community in the U.K and I have found nothing but lovely members so far. But with any hobby you’re going to Find toxic people who put everyone in a bad light as they tend to be louder and more extreme in their unbelievably unacceptable behaviour. The recasting issues aside this treatment of others is not the way to get your message across (the individuals who chose to attack & generally abuse others through social media).
No one who is not in the BJD community can be expected to know how a recast BJD differs from a "knockoff" Barbie or Monster High or whatever. On the surface, the concept is exactly the same, and anyone who expects a newcomer or outsider to fully comprehend why this is not the case has unrealistic expectations. One of the reasons for the heavy backlash is because several well-loved and well-respected doll companies have closed down because of recasts made of their dolls. This is understandably upsetting. That having been said, the backlash against you was completely inappropriate and uncalled for. I am ashamed of my community for having made you take such drastic action as taking down the video. I really wanted to see it and judge for myself and I can't do that now. I have been in the BJD community almost since there has been a BJD community. I am pro-artist, and I believe recasts should not be knowingly purchased by anyone. But I would never, never, never act like the SJW wannabes who descend like slavering locusts on anyone who even asks what's wrong with recasts. Education, kids, not persecution.
I am still going to sub to you, Jen, and I have no problem at all with seeing you review a recast just as I have no problem (and indeed greatly enjoy) watching your other Real vs Fake videos. If I had the authority to go with my experience, I'd send all those flamewar brats to go sit in a corner. You go, girl.
I poked my nose into the BJD community once. Read a few posts on one of the few forums out there. And noped out of it.
I prefer to stick to Barbie and American Girl dolls - Because we who collect mass produced dolls made by bigger companies...have the freedom to accept and have fun with knockoffs and clones of our mass produced toys. BJDs are an expensive habit to have to hide from the world. If I'm going to shell out for a new doll, I want the freedom to share it online with the rest of the doll/toy community.
The majority of the BJD community on the internet unfortunately is harsh and nasty. I get that recasts are looked down on by collectors because they *do* take away from the original artist, it really is a form of art theft by the person or people selling the recast though, not the first time buyer who didn't know any better. But even the Reborn community aren't a bunch of assholes about it if the first doll you buy accidentally is a fake...they simply educate you on how to tell it's a fake and direct you to the original artist's nursery shop to see/get the real thing.
Like...chill guys. It's a doll, not a life or death situation.
Eh I see your point personally I can see why they get mad but they shouldn’t be rude or bully someone as a member our point is to educate on the situation and give helpful advice if someone owns a recast it’s not the end of the world if they like it they like it I don’t agree with it but it’s your choices
I love BJDs. So much better quality there’s no comparison. IF you can afford them. I’m not in this hobby for some ‘community ‘ either. I’ve got friends who also collect dolls (BJDs & others) & still go on DOA occasionally (the Marketplace basically) but I’m not giving up my dolls because of any toxic elitist 😂🤣
People takeing this to such a personal level, is just absolutely unacceptable.
As a bjd enthusiast, im so so sorry that this affected your first bjd experience, and im so terribly sorry that you were exposed to this unreasonable and unacceptable toxicity.
It saddens me that this is how the bjd comunity greets new comers.
I hope it didn’t forever ruin bjd for you Jen.
Much love ❤️💖❤️
I don't understand why people treat others badly based on what they think of a product. People are allowed to like what they like. Jen, I watch your videos because I value an honest opinion, and it's good to know what you're looking at buying is worth the money. I appreciate your honesty and determination of being fair. You're amazing! Thank you for being open about these problems. Have a wonderful holidays!
Yea I know, right?
It's just an object after all
The world needs more people like you!:3
I love how bjd community says, that they are just bunch of peaceful people wanting to support artists, yet the same community literally shit themself on Tumblr (and YT too) for last two weeks, because Jen did this video explaining herself...
The dolls may be nice and fancy
But the collectors sure aren't
Norman Jayden Bruh you know damn well i don't mean ALL bjd collectors
Go be angry for no reason somewhere else
Norman Jayden Dude, why you coming after me? My half joke of a comment is one of the tamest in this comment section, get a hobby or something
Fucking Hell 😂
Why is this guy so salty over a doll 💀
@@weegieluigi no, she's not a bjd collector she just reviewed the product lmfao
@@weegieluigi oop
I didn’t know about any of the horrible comments, because I saw the video as soon as it came out.
Me to
Yeah, It’s crazy to hate on someone like that, I looked into and some people who own recast dolls won’t even tell their best friends. And there are legal recast dolls, but the original artist doesn’t make very much or any money off the sales of these dolls.
I subbed to you and watched your video, but because you’re young CZcams won’t let me comment, they stole my comments on a lot of my videos and over 18.
I didn't see any either. Honestly i'd really love to see reciepts. Not that I don't believe Jen, i'm sure she has no reason to lie, but i'd love to see WHO decided it was appropriate and precisely how many of them there were amongst all the educational and supportive messages. I feel like all the good has been drowned out by a few trolls and that's aggrivating.
Hey lady. You have nothing to be ashamed of. You stated your opinion and your view of the product. If people don't like what you said, then they don't need to watch your channel. You still have your true fans and your family. You're doing a great job.
Goodness. Sounds like the Blythe doll community. Left there years ago because of bullies and fights over “factory” Blythe. Which I think are the equivalent to the BJD recasts. It always amazes me that a community is what can take away from the joy of collecting in many different hobbies. I’ve found doll collecting can be pretty strange compared to other hobbies so I just enjoy this hobby in my own now. I’m really glad to see a video on this topic.
Blythe's are technically a part of the bjd hobby and counts as a bjd-
@@LightningStar not really, blythes don't have the ball-jointed bodies
@@aliceinscaryland they do, but they have hinged ball joints instead of the traditional strung ball joints, so they're closer to dollfie dreams or smart dolls
@@LightningStar hinge joints only allow motion in two directions and ball joints usually have a wider range of motions. :) I think, original Blythe body is more like one from vintage barbie dolls, with wire inside their legs, and some people put blythe heads on azone bodies, which still aren't bjd.
It's just like Kpop. I once was a pretty big fan of BTS and whoops, you say or do one thing wrong, not on purpose ofc, and some sick people throw you out of the fandom and say lots of disgusting things to you like 'go kys'.
I can't wrap my head around stuff like that. I also always wanted to join the BJD community cause I feel like having a doll that I'm able to relate to might help me mentally but imagine buying a recast by accident and then just getting shit on?
Can't those people imagine how we feel when they come at us like that?
After all of this, I will not join the community for Jens sake.
No one should be treated like this, so let's just all stay away from those places on the internet.
Get well, Jen, you haven't done anything wrong.
I hope you'll forget this and just move on as fast as possible
I'd never stop listening to KPop just because there's so many toxic netizens (ARMY or otherwise), & I'll never stop enjoying my dolls because of the toxicity in the hobby. I've my doll friends and we like getting together (on Zoom now!) to show off our dolls :D
Well... I enjoyed you bjd video and had no idea of any of this toxicity. I'm sorry you had to go through that, some people are so wrapped up in their own little world's they no longer see things from other people's perspectives. I liked you moving to more collectable dolls etc. and hope you still have ways to unbox toys/collectables in future with the CZcams changes. Personally, I collect nendoroids, they're a cute and pricey addiction!
the toxic lot are a minority, the vast majority just wanna play with and enjoy dolls while supporting the artists who make them possible.
I wish people knew that people are allowed to be clueless when they're new to something like BJDs. A lot of people have accidentally bought recasts as their first dolls. I personally have a recast because my mom got it for me not knowing it was a recast. People, there is a way to tell people something is wrong without being hostile.
Hundreds and hundreds of the same comment shaming her something that wasn’t offensive at all. The BJD community are ironically so childish.
It is the COMPANY making the recast who is at fault! They are straight up LYING to their customers. You can't fault someone who doesn't know and believes what a company is saying. These people should put their time and energy into filing formal complaints against the companies. They would actually do some good then. Attacking innocent buyers does literally nothing but make themselves look like a psycho. Filing complaints against the companies is the only way to stop the problem. If everyone who said something to Jen about the doll filed a complaint the company would definitely be investigated and shut down. The governments would take THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of complaints very seriously while just a few complaints they can ignore. But I understand that takes time and effort these people are far too lazy to put in. Filling out a form online is far too much work for them (even tho they claim to care so much about the artists). It's much easier for them to virtue signal by bullying people online then for them to fill out a form. They won't get attention for being a "good person" by filling out a form but they can get that attention they so desperately need by publicly attacking people to signal how much better they are than those who buy recasts. What psychos.
I agree. And I don’t have a really bad view on recasts to be honest. For people who can’t afford originals by the artists....they aren’t going to buy an original because they can’t afford it. So it’s not like the artist is losing money when the person could never afford it. In a way recasts allow less fortunate people who don’t have tons of money to join a hobby they would have been priced out of. But anyway, that said, most recasts and knock offs, and this goes for most things in general, come from China. You could write a million complaints and they will never care. I think maybe that why they attack individuals instead but who knows. I just wish people would live and let live.
@@JeweLinHisHans I mean, if you can’t afford such an expensive hobby like bjd’s and your only option is to buy recasts, then it’s not the hobby for you. It’s like when people buy fake designer purses/shoes/clothes, why bother wasting money on the fake stuff when you could save up for a genuine one. You’re giving money to these companies who steal art from the creators and that’s how they lose money. If you don’t care about art theft, then that’s on your conscious. If people don’t know better, that’s another thing.
Wow I originally got excited to see your BJD video when I saw it pop up in my feed. (Because I've always been curious about the hobby but never actually got anything due to the price point of these dolls.) But I missed out on the video because of the crazy holiday schedules of work and life etc. So to see this video today and hear all this, I feel completely tuned off by the hobby. I'm just appalled.
Same. I don't want one too because of this. I've seen USA doll sellers go out of business trying to sell the legit ones over seas. I've just kept looking for a doll. But now..
But I kind of think that's what they wanted. You know. Be the only people with the dolls. Be selfish and turning thier noses away from everyone beneath them. Why would they want more bjd people when they could be elite.
same thats why i got a recast....yes it was bad but i really wanted one and im broke tbh
@@Uni-bq2ti honestly same thought. The Dolls ARE way too overpriced ..maybe because it is a niche market... but honestly it's just like that because the community WANTS it to be this way.
Not everyone can pay a months rent for a damn doll >_> But they're probably kinda proud that they can.
@Altoid Bazingá I still think they are too expensive. You can compare it to other art pieces like handsewn costumes, hand painted figurines, handmade artworks etc etc.. BJD tops everything.
And I don't think theyre sculpting one exact doll many times, they surely got a way to remake it somehow..otherwise they all would look kind of different wouldn't they?
@Altoid Bazingá ah yeah, that's sorta what i imagined
I'm so sorry people were rude and cruel to you. When I first joined the hobby three years ago I had bought a recast. I was ridiculed and bullied for it constantly. It just made me hate those who enforced it so much. It wasnt until I met the nicer people that I bought my first legitimate bjd. Eventually I got rid of my recasts and converted to legit only; not because I gave in but because it felt nicer for me. As it should. I feel terrible that the people in my hobby would attack you over something so small as recieving a doll. They've made many many people quit. I'm listening to your video as I'm typing this out. I'm so incredibly disappointed in the people who attacked you. But they really do treat recast owners like scum. As someone who has owned a fairyland legit doll and recast doll I dont hide the recasts were far superior in quality to the legit much more expensive ones. The only difference is the fact that ones a copy and hurts the artists. That's literally it. It was so unfair that they went after you for just being honest. Frankly this hobby has two sides; a really really ugly and cruel elitist side and a really genuinely friendly and open side. I cant do anything more to convince you to give bjd another chance however I do think the hobby needs someone as honest and respectful as you.
This hobby is incredibly toxic to itself and everywhere. A part of me loves that you made this video as its informative about the negative parts of the hobby however I am very upset that you had to make this video.
Again I'm so sorry they treated you like that. I do hope one day you can come back to the hobby
Duckily ART how long did that take you
@@lucasl331 to write? I was writing it while listening throughout the video.
I completely agree! Jen could help promote the beautiful side of the BJD community and use it to stand above the ugly side of it. Find the good people like yourself and unite them, be the voices of the better side.
Probably, this comment took forever to write
Just here to give some love to your comment. Kids like to make fun of people who are articulate enough to type out more than one line of text, so don't let any comments like that get you down. 😊
Damn they were like kids arguing in a school playground. It was absolutely ridiculous.
I’m sorry you had to experience that. I got bombarded for asking a question in the comment section, I got called all sorts of names & that was just on one comment. I can’t even imagine how many hate comments and messages you got.
I’m so glad you’re glad you’re speaking out about the bullying that you received.
You’re great and I love you’re honesty. Keep your head held high. Much love from England. ❤️
I'm so srry they harassed you 😓
@@NexJen You don’t need to apologise, you’ve done nothing wrong. I gave them as good as a I got. I wasn’t allowing them to bully me. I’m so glad you made a video to show you’re a better person. You’re amazing Jen. Don’t ever change. I hope you’ve had a fantastic Christmas. 💕
Imagine being so hateful and disrespectful all because of a doll
opalite-eyes I’m in the model horse community and the toxicity over plastic toys is appalling sometimes.
WTF?? They click a video for a review, YOUR PERSONAL REVIEW and then, throw hate on you? This just don't make sense, you're a very honest, and great person, and definitely don't deserve that! Your channel is almost unic, because is rare CZcamsrs They receive items, and are 100% honest!! People are making such a drama for nothing
Gabs IKR
Gabs this is so true.
Ikr its so stupid, u come to a review channel for a review from a different perspective not to argue against whoever it is giving their own opinion.
After this video I did some researches on the community and holy molly, I feel like there is such a huge part more interested in hating everyone than the dolls! I found testimonies about a massive forum online, call Den of Angels or whatever, where people are so so arrogant and proud of their own little dolls. I found a testimony of an artist who had to sell her dolls at lower prices (that she created, put time and effort in) because of medical bills (after selling some at regular price before any illness), and everybody on the forum united to tell her that she was horrible, she used medical bills as an excuse and all, while she was ILL... How do people just become like that? How fans of something as pretty as those dolls can become so toxic? This is why, whenever I became fan of a videogame or a movie, or anything else really, I stay away from their fanbase. I don't get how you can become so fan of something to the point of considering it YOUR own thing and then attack people for having slightly different opinion or just being uniformed, as if you were born knowing everything about the object of your admiration. Well anyway, I hope you will be okay Jen, you're such an awsome, positive and honest person, I love your videos even though I don't buy toys anymore (except the puzzle snake thing, that helped me so much with my lack of focus problems so thanks for that :D). Have a good day and a fantastic Christmas! (And Merry Christmas to anyone reading my massive comment, thanks for listening haha)
I think most of the issue is that BJDs are really expensive, so they attract the type of people who buy them just because they're expensive. Then they feel they can look down at people who don't buy expensive ones. Before recasts were around, they looked down at people with dolls from cheaper companies. Heck, they still do, just not as much now.
PinkShooter-chan they should rename den of angels to den of devils
The problem is that in every hobby there are vicious or stuck up people and those are the loud ones. Most of the people in the bjd hobby are very helpful, friendly, incredibly passionate and creative. And they stay out of drama.
@@ramonablue5598 There was a Den of Demons years and years and years ago. It was mostly people posting pictures of other people's dolls and making fun of them, though. So pretty much no better
@@LauraDeLoessian Yes, unfortunately I feel like it's always the negative people that are the loudest. While researching, I found some very nice people being part of the community, and even on CZcams there are plenty of good, artists and all sharing what they love. It's such a shame that every fandom has to deal with those plaguing their passion with drama... Such a twisted mentality to bash someone instead of educating them and welcoming them into their world, I don't think they realise how much harm they cause to their fanbase.
This is exactly why I collect my bjd in silence... I love the dolls, but the community is so ridiculous.
What a toxic community.. just by this video, i have no empathy for this doll community. You are so right. They should get their act together.
They always say they just want to educate newbies owning a recast but that is big lie.. they just want to make recast owner feel horrible..
I really hate when BJD collectors are so vicious and hateful thowards others. Like I get it, I don't like recasts too, but man, chill.
Unfortunetly our community can be toxic as heck. And I've expirienced it myself xD
I'm sorry you had to meet the braindead "collectors", sometimes I think they are killing this hobby as much as recasts.
Here, catch vitrual hug from me! *hug*
Fluffy Arsenic im 20 now but i got a recast for christmas once and people were so rude to me, i was 13 lol
@@sonicrockz1011 Luvl I had a 3 recasts one after another, mainly to check their quailty. Well, people was rude to me too. I still don't think it's fair and even if I'm anti recast I respect others and always try to talk to them about bjd's. Our comunnity (imo) is about comunication and support, not hate. I have two bjd groups and we are anty-recast but we try our best to inform people and be nice to them always x)
Sorry it happend thet you've met stupid ass people. Please know that not everone is rude and I'm always more than happy to guide someone in their jurney in BJD hobby!
@@sonicrockz1011 I know you're not the girl that I befriended a little over a year ago, but your age triggered the memory. She was 13 too and had been saving for over a year to buy her first BJD. She ended up buying a recast and when she joined a group they were incredibly nasty and vicious. She was devestated that this doll she'd dreamed of and saved for was 'not good enough'. The last message I ever received from her was her telling me she'd thrown her beloved doll in the bin and she never wanted another one. I tried to contact her e very day for weeks to make sure she was ok, but she never replied. Her final message to me made me cry for her. She was such a sweet kid, so excited and so proud of herself for saving up because her parents were 'too poor'. I hope she's ok, wherever she is.
What is a recast?
@@Maukunen It's a fake doll basicly. It works like that: Someone in buys/gets original doll from the artist, then makes mold from that doll and then makes more dolls to sell them for cheaper price. So it's kinda like stealing from the artists. The worst part is when people buys recasts (willingly) and then try to sell them as original dolls for higher price.
I don’t mean to be condescending...but it’s a doll...people need to calm down.
So true
True
IKR!? 😣
Agreed👍
That's what I was thinking
I'd say something snarky like "imagine being this toxic over a lump of plastic", but people can get silly over intangible things too. Humans are funny like that.
I dipped the hell out of this community because of this type of behavior. It's rampant, honestly for a bunch of niche collectors they have a huge superiority complex. In the past I have owned a Volks Isao 1st ed, Limhwa Mono, Souldoll Lune, Dollshe Hound, eLuts(now fairyland) Breakaway head on a standard body, and a DOD Tender Too. I no longer have any of these dolls and everytime I think about getting another I just think of the treatment I received from other collectors at meetups or on Den of Angels. YIKES. Good thing you learned quickly.
So unfortunate 😓
oborohzmn how sad to read this, bjd’s should be enjoyed by you and no one else, the “community” should never dictate whatever brings you pleasure. I’ve been part of the community for 10 years and I will never let anyone sway my collecting for my resin dolls.
I still have ALL my dolls! Why would I EVER get rid of my beloved dolls because a bunch of other collectors are jerks? I don't understand the concept :( But I agree with you about a sizeable portion of the community (DOA cough cough....)
Den of assholes. For someone to have such a complex regarding their dollies is hilarious. Last laugh is on them
For me personally im not in the community of bjd dolls but have been collecting blank volks 1/6 scale dolls and obitsus for face ups and customization since 2009. No longer can you get these sizes from volks unfortunately over seas since 2016/2017 but eBay is where I sometimes find them. It was my cheap alternative into getting into the dolls than buying a dollfie or now there dollfie DD at about 24 inches. If i were to buy these types of bjds the only two companies i would choose are Volks and smart doll. But personally it would be for me and not for the community. I do plan on eventually posting videos of my 1/6 scale babies (since I have about 6 volks ones and 4 obitsus) that I bought blank, face uped, and made clothes for them. But i feel really bad that most people who want to get into the hobby have to hide or be ashamed just for these silly things. It takes the joy out of trying to be apart of something and it makes people stay away from it. That's why me personally I love 1/6 scale ones the most. It makes me feel like I'm in my own bjd Barbie doll nich that makes me feel like a kid still while putting my own artistic flare into it.
Got a notification that Jen had a new video out and immediately clicked on it. I was a little confused by the title because I didn't know why that last video had to be taken down. I thought it was great and I really appreciated it. I had NO idea people were being so horrible to her about it! Everyone who was being so awful should be ashamed of yourselves! Not everyone will share the same opinions as you, that doesn't give ANYONE the right to be a bully. Jen openly admitted that she didn't know much about BJDs and wasn't trying to offend anyone with her review. The fact that so many people could be so horrible to her over something so ridiculous is grade A proof that many people shouldn't be allowed to use the internet unsupervised. You rock Jen! Ignore the haters and keep moving forward. Your true fans have your back and we appreciate and love all your honest, fun reviews! ❤️ #TeamNexJen
I agree with you 100%
Ya
Completely agree!!!
I hate this for you pudding. It's terrible that people can be that hateful. Please dont let this discourage you.
I'm a bjd collector but I'm not part of any communities because of all the drama. People in the hobby really get gassed up over a recast,or heaven forbid you get a cheaper doll like a Resinsoul or a Bobobie. I get the dolls I like and follow a lot of bjd artists on IG. And that's it really.
Planning on getting me a doll from them because their 70cm are cheaper than any other bjd companies I've seen. Besides I do like one of ths 70cm dolls anyways and another that is a little shorter than that.
I'm really mostly a part of the community to get information on dolls and help choose out parts that would fit the character I want to make.
Since even 3D printed dolls don't count I will most likely post it on my Instagram and on the bjd Reddit group that actually allows 3d printed ones anyways.
So basically Ill be happy to join more chiller and relaxed communities on these matter.
Hey Jen! I usually stay out of the comment section in general on CZcams but I just wanted to stop by and voice my support. I'm glad you are speaking out about the hate and toxicity you experienced. No matter what the community there is no place for that kind of behavior. I don't have kids of my own so I really love your fair and honest reviews when it comes time to find presents for my friend's kids. Keep doing what you're doing and happy Holidays!
The BJD community, along with every fandom, has super loud passionate people. Most of those people have a 'it's my way or the highway' type mentality. Its sad really. You're not in any wrong, Jen. The people in the wrong are the jerks who think like that. You seemed super happy to get your BJD and we should just focus on how happy you were, that's it. You're one of the most honest reviewers on this site and I absolutely love that. Keep being you, Jen.
I’m really sorry that everyone was attacking you Jen I honestly don’t think you did anything wrong I’m glad you put up this video explaining why you took your video down I hope you have a great Christmas
You handled this situation so well! You held your own without stooping to the bully's level. I love you Jen!
You are a great person ❤️🌹 Thanks for sporting the good 😌
I’m, just now, getting back into the bjd community after 5 years. When I was 13 I was gifted some used bjds and as an excitable 13 year old I posted some photos of it and was yelled at for having recasts. I did not know what a recast even was and after months of mean comments and messages I ended up hating each and every one of my dolls and selling them. I’m now 18 and since I’m getting back into it, I’ve bought myself one, BUT will be collecting privately just so I don’t have to deal with the toxicity of the community. Even with the doll I’ve ordered and KNOWING it’s not a recast I’m still terrified that if the doll is in the background of a photo that I’ll get the comments again. Hopefully the community will eventually get better over time, but I doubt it will.
Its kind of like the cosplay community now a days. Before it was just for fun now people get in a tissy when there are doubles in a photoshoot and you have to be the best of the best. Every hobby is mostly for fun. Bjd is for fun, you like it. It makes you happy. Stop making things toxic. Jen I loved watching you unbox your bjd, recast or not i enjoyed it. It was still a pretty doll.
I hate the no-doubles rule. Its really harmful. I think that if someone wants to have a picture without doubles they should ask someone after the shoot to take pics with them.
@@shellsart226 agreed.
Oh Jen, people are really nasty online. What is wrong with these horrible people? I know that you are like the majority of lovely, kind honest people are sensitive. You take people's mean comments to heart because you really care. These toxic people think they are so much better than those of us who actually watch your videos because your reviews are honest. I really think that these trolls are not worth paying attention too. I love your channel. Keep your chin up lovely. Lots of love. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I'm an adult Monster High collector and this video is the reason why I refuse to collect BJD. Just visiting their forum community is terrible enough.
Please try IG and not DOA (den of angels) websites, I normally find doa is so much stricter and can hold so much hate but it’s a small portion of the community! There’s a lot of good apples and profiles on ig 💖
So you really don’t care about the dolls. I love the quality of BJDs & none of the toxic elitists will change that
Honestly, the quality of BJD is amazing, but I have enough other toy lines that im trying to collect that trying to also buy BJD dolls would break my budget too hard.
@@ladynisa1 I understand - BJDs are prohibitively expensive. I knew about them but avoided looking at them much for years - until I retired & got some $$$$ :d
@@embear9785 thanks for the suggestion!
I have been in the bjd hobby for years. While recasts are damaging to the artists and hobby; I agree the toxic behavior is also very damaging to the hobby and in some cases to the artists they are trying to defend! I have seen people leave the hobby because they have been bullied or mistreated (whether it's about recasts, or how they customized a doll, etc), ultimately resulting in loss of a customer for the artists! I don't understand why people can't just be kind?! Of course education about the ins and outs of the hobby are important. Ultimately people will do what they want, and for many people that is ruled by what's in their wallet, and no one else can't control that. If at least people could be kind and understanding then sure, some people will continue to buy recasts... but we may gain a few people who will support the original artists as well; and maybe even more importantly not alienate potential newcomers to the hobby, or existing collectors! Nothing justifies the bully behavior and even death threats that people send regarding recast dolls! It certainly does not help the hobby, it just makes us look like a mean ugly mob!! (I promise many of us are very nice!)
I'm so sad that this was your first experience with bjd! (also, your new definition is funny!) I hope even if you no longer speak out on the topic of bjd you can enjoy the doll you have (even if she is recast, and her clothing fits poorly! Poor girl! I'm sure you can find some lovely well fitting clothing for her if you want - many artists make clothing for the minifee size online on places like etsy 😉 You can even find her different wigs and eyes!) You have done nothing wrong by accepting the free doll and giving your review, and I know given the opportunity you would have loved to review an original/legit bjd as well!
Ultimately, I stay in the hobby because each of my dolls is a work of art, and nothing can ruin my enjoyment of them (I am also fortunate to have been in the hobby long enough that recasts were not so prevelant when I started!) There are a lot of really great, and kind people that I have made friends with through this hobby (despite the drama - some of which you unfortunately experienced)! Also, I want to continue to support the artists that make the beautiful dolls I love!
I hope anyone who has an interest in bjds is not deterred by the bully behavior of some of the hobby members. We need kind hearted sensitive people who love their dolls, and are kind to all others who love their dolls, in this hobby and that means you - admirer of bjds! Also, if anyone has questions about where to buy an original/legit bjd or about the hobby reach out to people online. There's tons of information and helpful kind people who would love to get you started and help you find your perfect first original bjd! Same goes for customizing your doll 😉 Good luck (and welcome)!
I'm a bjd owner and I am mortified that you were treated this way. Your video made it clear that you didn't know much about bjds, meaning any criticism should have been in the spirit of educating someone new to the hobby, NOT tearing them down for a mistake. I'm so sorry this happened.
I personally am against recasts, as it is stealing from the artist, but I don't hate people for buying them. I especially don't hate people who don't know the doll they have is a stolen copy. No one is hated for buying a pirated dvd, right?
But the artist could consent to a recast. You don't know if the artist told the recaster if it was ok. Granted that's rare. I do understand that. I just don't think anyone should be so violent or against someone that buys a recast cause you don't know the whole situation.
@@J-BoltWho has ever consented to their art being illegally copied?
@@genera1013 it's not illegal if consent was given. You don't know if consent was given. That was my point.
@@J-Bolt My point is no artist would. Why would any artist consent to their work being copied and sold by someone else? That's ridiculous.
@@genera1013 maybe they're getting a cut of the profit? Or the person who copied it isn't selling. No matter how you look at this, even if it is illegal copying, there is no reason to be violent and verbally abusive to someone over a toy. Collectors item or not it's still something that was invented for children. Gatekeeping it so hard to the point of legitimate rage is ridiculous. There is no scenario in which your reaction is appropriate. You really need to calm down
When there are people that commit horrendous crimes against other people and animals etc but some people decide to attack someone over a doll on the internet and decide that’s a reason to shame and bully someone?
Reality check!
Norman Jayden let’s face it. There’s still much bigger problems we need to be concerned about than people getting annoyed at a shop. Not like the horse meat crisis a few years ago is it? It’s not the end of the world because a woman bought a doll from a shop. I understand the issues with the shop and it’s products but we can’t expect a woman to know all the information of one thing she buys compared to the 100/1000s of peoples knowledge put together who can watch a video and tell her. The video is gone. Problem solved. But would it kill people to explain and act nicely instead of acting like it’s Armageddon?
Norman Jayden I mean I’m not looking to argue. And I have nothing against people talking to sort something out. But most people isn’t all people. And as much as you might be respectable it will be clouded by those people who do spread hate and cause problems. We remember those things more clearly. And it’s those people who ruin things for everyone else. You can’t accidentally tell someone to get over the death of a loved one. But you can accidentally buy a product misinformed. It happens everyday. Are we getting on the same page yet haha?
Norman Jayden it’s not irrelevant if it means people understand things better in the future. And I’m not against this hobby at all. I’ve actually show interest in it myself. And if that’s how Jen’s behaviour is then she needs to not rise to people’s words. But she did explain that she didn’t really understand what a recast was. I don’t think everyone’s been brilliant in this situation but that’s just how people are.
She didn’t understand the situation she was in clearly. And I don’t expect her to know everything about everything. As much as it’s not good that these people have gotten business wrongly from her video her job is to review the product. She didn’t know about the recast problem and all she did was look at the physical product and let us know if it was decent quality. It’s not like she promoted recasts on purpose knowing that it was stealing someone’s work.
China BJD makes recast dolls and there is an elite portion of the hobby who believe if you can not afford a legit doll you are not good enough to be in the hobby. They are plainly ignorant and don't even know what they are actually talking about. I have several recast groups where I provide a safe place for recast owners to show off their dolls whether recast or legit, all are welcome if they can be kind. I'm so sorry to hear that you have been hit by their ignorance as well, you're such a sweetie. I own both recast and legit because I know the truth rather than call it a high class hobby and say if you are not high class, you have no right to be in the hobby. Big hugs to you, thank you for all you do for all of us. You are greatly appreciated.
I'm not part of the BJD community. Personally, they are completely out of my budget. However, I'm interested in these dolls and I've done my fair share of research about a particular artist and their technique in making dolls. A lot of people are being quick to dismiss this issue by saying that "it's just a doll", but the truth is that they are actual pieces of art and craftsmanship (the original dolls, that is). Original, or legit, BJD dolls are handcrafted and sculpted in a process that can sometimes last over weeks. Not to mention the conceptualizing and planning involved in the making of a creation. Recasts, on the other hand, can be made by the dozen overnight and are quickly taking over an already small and niche market. Any artist will tell you that theirs is a tricky business, but it gets even more complicated if your craft can so easily fall victim to intellectual property theft and mass production.
That being said, I understand people's concerns for the well being and integrity of Jen. I myself care deeply for her and I've been watching her videos for long enough to completely trust her good intentions. I would never condone bullying or toxic behavior, especially on the internet where people can so easily hide behind apparent anonymity to disrespect others. But I don't think that the actions of these bullies should take away at the important and concerning issue of big companies profiting at the expense of artists whose work they didn't pay for. I would encourage the BJD community to redirect their passion for this issue into creating content for people to educate themselves. There really isn't a lot of literature out there that clearly explains the issue with recasts rather than just stating that the people who buy them are evil. This can be really confusing for a first-time buyer who maybe is more drawn to the prices and availability of recasts.
Just some thoughts that I'm sure no one will bother reading.
not weeks ... up to 2 years
Thank you for approaching this honestly and maturely with understanding!
Their passion could go towards exposing the companies that do the recasts.
TAMBSin M this is true, the difficult part of this is a lot of the recast companies are based in places like China where their laws on copyright leave little to be done legally
@@hankthedog9432 oh, yes. That is more than a bit problematic. But, encouraging boycotting of said companies and putting out information about what companies to avoid would be so much more helpful to the whole community.
Geez, that's just... Insane. Like, the doll customization community is suuuuuuper nice, so I kinda just assumed that the BJD community would be similar. That's actually a huge bummer :/. Sorry you had to go through all this nonsense.
But I've commented on doll customization about BJDs (giving constructive criticism) and have been RAILED for it. I've been a fan of customizations for a while and commented on someone who did a sailor moon BJD custom and basically said "I really like the doll, but i'm not sure that color was the best choice to show off as the background of the overall doll" and had people tell me I was an idiot and to go kill myself. BJD lovers are very toxic.
@@marli8907 ah geez, that's scary .-.
Love your videos, your professionalism and I remain a subscriber.
I am sorry people treated you so badly. It's sad that people think that kind of behaver is okay. I think you are a really sweet person.
As someone who sits in the shadows of the bjd community, this is why I don't interact with anyone in the hobby. I've watched too much drama and anger and hate. People not giving others the benefit of the doubt and people who scream their opinion without listening to others. I am so sorry you ended up on the receiving side of that hate. As someone who watches your content (and missed the bjd video) I know your intentions are always good and would never fault you for reviewing recasts. I completely agree with your whole video. Sorry, that was a super long message that you probably won't even read lol
I got my first doll in 2015. I wasn't big in the community but I followed hundreds and hundreds of accounts on Instagram. As soon as something-- anything happened, my feed would explode with anger and hate and it gave me such bad anxiety I had to quit the community because it was getting to me. Ever since I've onoy shared my dolls with two other people and the lack of posting them online and sharing with others interested in my sculpts has kinda killed the hobby for me :l
@@CaladhielTan I've been a part of the community for 10 years and I've seen it a LOT - bullying & elitism!
I wasn't even aware of all this drama, for god's sake it's a doll people! The only reason I like this channel and will continue to do so is because you are really honest, you aren't afraid to point out flaws and defects, and will only recommend products if you really like them, because you want to help people who might potentially want to buy those products... We need more people like Jen... I hope y'all can appreciate that there are still some people who aren't blinded by money, and is still willing to give their honest opinion...
Ugh I'm so sorry. Not all BJD collectors are like that. The bullies ruin it for everyone else. I'm sorry that happened to you.
THIS is why you're the toy channel I follow. You're so inclusive with your descriptions and your honesty is a treasure. Your ability to react rationally on this and like an adult is just making me more endeared to you.
Holy smoke holes!! I'm like you.......I've never owned a BJD, but I think they are wonderful. I've always wanted one, but couldn't afford. I discovered polymer clay a year ago and started making my own. I'm having a ball (and joint hehe) making my doll and I plan to make available for sale one day. I dont know anything about the BJD world......I'm so sorry you got bombarded.....wow. I had no idea people were so defensive about recasts, which I understand where they are coming from after spending a year working own my doll. BUT to attack people is not making people listen..... I lived in China for three years, nearly everything i picked up was a fake. sorry butt so true. Maybe focus your anger at the people reproducing the work of others. I'm loving this channel!!! Don't go anywhere. I just discovered you not long ago and have watched some over and over while i work.
i just love toys. I've never owned many. If I had lots of money, I would have lots of toys. I love your videos of comparing fake and real toys......again living in China I cant tell you how many fake pokemon I purchased for my boys. I hope youre okay......you are so honest and super fun to watch. We both share a love for toys......so keep up the great work and don't let people scare you away. Hugs from USAxxxxx
I am a member of an art doll community. We make hand made, one of a kind, art dolls and toys (usually fantasy animals).
There is a big problem in our community of companies stealing our art and selling copies of our work.
The big difference is: we do not attack the people who have bought from those companies. We understand that there is a 99.99% chance that the buyer was completely unaware that the art was stolen.
We speak out often about the companies that steal and try to make as many people aware as possible. But we put the blame where it belongs, firmly in the hands of the companies who stole the art!
I am so sorry that you were attacked this way! You are such a good person and I love watching your videos. You saved me from buying a scruffalove for my son a while back and I have loved you since!😍😍😍😍
Where I can see your work ? I would love to see :)
I wish people in our side of the hobby could learn from yours. I hate that you guys have to struggle against art theft, as a photographer I relate completely and it's exhausting to deal with. I hope 2020 is kind to your community, friend. You guys seem like good folk.
That's exactly it, the consume is usually unaware. The companies are to blame.
yes please link us
facebook.com/groups/fantasycreatures/
This is a link to one of my favorite art doll creators group. We trust so hard to keep everything positive and be supportive ❤❤❤
I have been waiting for this! I knew some kind of drama happened! I saw it coming & I was like omg she is so brave!! I had a friend in the BJD community for a while, she ended up in all this drama (won’t go into deets) she loved BJD’s so much but has now left the community because of all the drama 😕 the things they sad to her where so horrible & she said the scene is full of “gate keepers” that will or won’t accept you into the community & if one person decides they don’t like you they’ll all gang up on you. It caused her a crazy amount of anxiety & even though she loves her dolls their all hidden in her closet now... really sad, you can’t expect a “newb” at something to know every rule, I wish they were nicer to people just getting into a hobby...
Hugz from down the street 😉🇨🇦💕🎄
mj belanger I’m in the reborn doll community too, I mean I kind of left because I had a feeling I wasn’t accepted because my dolls aren’t realistic enough. And a well known person in the community who I won’t say the name of said pretty nasty things about me behind my back.
All these "communities" are more like cannibalistic tribes. Its exhausting.
O shid really? I didn't think the reborn community would be toxic too-
i normally never really comment on your videos, but i really cringed hard while i was scrolling through the comment section of your last video. The BJD Community did show that even beautiful dolls can't hide the ugly faces inside that community. Even though i'm envy as heck about that big Polly Pocket SuperSet, i'm not that much into toys and still like to watch your videos because of your fun personality. Keep up the good work. :)
I think this also convinced me to never touch the BJD community too if people are that elitist about it.
The bjd community is full of adults who act like children. It’s so toxic. Thankfully there are people who are supportive even if you have recasts. But yeah, all this drama just makes me want to buy more recast dolls. (Which I’ll do anyway bc legit dolls are overpriced and I’m not gonna support artists who don’t care about the customers.)
THIS. I was in a bjd Discord and I was sent death threats for owning a recast.. fuck the BJD community, seriously.
I bought recasts spitefully when I received hate. It wasnt until I found legit owners who were kind and still accepted me that I eventually slipped to the legit side. It's hard cause a lot of the bigger companies dont care so much about their customers but a really good one is dollits. They're so active and nice, I adore them. You should check them out
You know, a lot of the doll molds are sold to outside companies by the artists themselves. You could have recasts that are 100% legit, just not hand done by the artist.
Duckily ART I wouldn’t mind a legit doll but the price is what always turns me away. I already have recasts and the quality is great so I’ll most likely stick with recasts.
I like your confidence
“You should know better.” You ALSO haven’t really researched BJDs, like you said. Isn’t this your first BJD? How should you know that recasts are frowned upon if you haven’t been in the community? You’re a human being. You not being as knowledgeable about BJDs is not grounds for bullying. It’s really disgusting hearing how much you were attacked.
I completely agree. I havent seen her BJD video before she took it down but I'd imagine how responsible Jen is and how she likes communicating to her fans that she didnt do research on it so she had no idea what a 'recast' was to its fullest view. And if she does a popular brand like lol dolls and gives an honest review
Recasts can be pretty harmful for artists as far as I know but that doesn't justify peoples behavior towards you. Doesn't surprise me though. The bjd community is full of hateful people that don't have a life besides buying expensive dolls and thinking that evens out their lack of personality. A bunch of unhappy lonely adults who take dolls way to serious. That's why I never got into collecting bjds even though they can be really beautiful pieces of art. But again, it isn't worth the terrible people.
Some of the bjd youtubers content here says it all lmao.
Jen, you spoke out really clearly so I actually knew what was going on.
Well done for standing up for yourself.
You are amazing, and what you did to the video is very very right.
I love your vids!
I’m so sorry you were attacked. Not only did you have NO IDEA that the doll you were receiving was a recast up until the unboxing, but even if you did know before accepting you aren’t in the BJD community, most don’t understand the depth of why recasts are so hated in the community.
Personally, I understand why people buy them. It’s not that they don’t want to support original artists, but they simply can not afford it. Recasts are a wonderful way to get started in the BJD community and see if its for you.
Also lots of recast are ways of get discounted dolls of houses that don't make certain models anymore, seryusly you not harming them for buy a copy of model of 7 years ago they discounted they just rude and gatekeeping people.
I think it's personally weird that people will attack people for buying them versus the people that's actually making the fakes.
It's also extremely wrong when people don't know it was a recast or copy, or are new to a collection hobby/community like this and get put in the wrong for not knowing the ins and outs.
I have been bought many nendoroids by family who have bought them for less or near enough the exact price for the real version, just to receive a fake or copy, which some are scary super quality, correct colour, even exact joints and such to be the real deal.
Truthfully, you should repost the video, and add a disclaimer at the beginning. I didn’t see the video that was taken down. I love your honest reviews, and make me excited about what’s new in the toy community.
Well at least people would know the recaster to Stay Away from no? I mean knowledge is important. Better to inform people who these individuals are ao people won't get duped.
Norman Jayden If she put a disclaimer on it saying that she didn’t know what a recast was at the time and not to buy it I don’t really see the problem. Although if I was her I don’t think I would because people are still going to harass her over it.
If you still want to purchase large dolls for a cheaper price that have the aesthetic look similar to a bjd but aren't technically bjd's look into Night Lolita / yueloli dolls they're vinyl dolls from China but based off of a Chinese show and they sell all in all for about 80-100 dollars USD after shipping and customs! They make great practice dolls to do faceups on and you can remove their printed faces with acetone (just be very careful) or even nail polish remover.
Another vinyl doll option is parabox/obitsu doll a legit vinyl doll company based out of Japan who produces anime style dolls from 11cm tall to I believe 60cm tall prices for those range around 40usd to 250usd all in all.
I know the vinyl doll community and bjd communities have Alot of overlap but I feel atleast that the vinyl doll community doesn't have near the elitism issue the bjd hobby has. I'm so sorry a community I'm part of has treated you this way Jen and I hope that you're able to enjoy these beautiful dolls away from people who only wish to lash out one day. I feel awful your first introduction to this community has completely spoiled your opinion of it and I wish you the very best 💖 I don't support recasts either but the way the community treats others who have them or even look at them is just completely unacceptable.
lol, this is why 90% of my dolls are vinyl, there's so much less hate and drama involved.
It makes me so sad, that you got so much hate. I never knew that people could be so disgustingly rude and mean. Recast or not: it’s no excuse to b e so mean to people. These are the people who are so unsatisfied with their own life, that they seek every little bit of attention and approval. Even though it might hurt another person.
You seam to be such a nice and sympathetic person and it really makes me sad that you got so much hate. I don’t care what these people say, you make great content and treat your audience with respect. Hope you have/ had a nice Christmas.
i dont really ever comment on your videos but i watch them and i appericate you and they bring a smile to me sometimes. ( thats just cause you have an awesome personality) ....just keep BEEing postive
@Natasha Anzellotti chill
Natasha Anzellotti omg
@@kim-gs5my it just a troll account :) let the person be a troll. no it doesnt slove anything but let focus on postive things :)
You compare knockoffs and real stuff all the time. That's what you do and you're always learning a whole lot about toys as you do it. Thank you for your efforts Jen!
Norman Jayden Jen literally said in the beginning of her video about the BJD that she was completely new to the community and had really no idea about BJDs.
@@weegieluigi what is against the community gidelines?
While counterfeits are illegal in america and considered unethical the doll came from China where is isn't. She didn't know what recast meant. And it's not like they tried all that hard to hide the fact it's a recast. So she did what she thought was ethical because she didn't have all the information. And she didn't hide any information from us. She told us where she was coming from. And if youtube thinks it goes against their guidelines they would have taken it down themselves.
@@weegieluigi I get where you are coming from. But her fans asked for her to do this review for over a year. They know it's not a toy. And if you didn't watch the video she did say at the beginning she is reviewing it as someone who knows absolutely nothing and is just going over the quality. At this point you are still attacking her. And you said lazy TSA agent. Seriously it's not their job to know about every product that ever exists and how to spot every fake. Fake lol dolls come in the exact same packaging as the real ones which she has reviewed several times on her channel. I get that it's upsetting to you. I get that the original artist has to make money. But at this point you are beating a dead horse. Mistakes were made yes. There are no guarantees the world will work the way you want it and expect it to.
@@weegieluigi she never linked the shop. She only mentioned the name once. The ppl who actually spelled out the name of the shop and the recasters, where the ppl attacking her. Did you even watched the video she talks about? To me it sounds like you didnt.
Also, she doesnt only review toys. She does DIY and collector stuffs too. You should do your research first and not just go after what those toxic witch hunters over at IG/Twitter is telling you. Bc they are making a hen from a feather, just to create hate towards Jen. They honestly think that being a youtuber is easy money by promoting and influencing. Thats not the case at all. The 15 minuts we see of a video have hours of work behind them. Planning, filming and editing. Some creators even plan out their livestream.
On this channel I comment from, I have 1 video. It took me 2 days to edit bc it was a first time. Had I known how to edit on a computer, then it would have taken a day or less. Its not just cutting and pasting. Its about timing and rewatching and make sure the video looks good. I can see a huge differance between my videos and streams over at my other channel.
I think you should stop commenting on Jebs video bc you obviously have no clue what has happened.
Also, harassment, builling, threats and hateful comments are against youtubes guidelines too, especially those aimed towards the content creator. You should check it up.
I think you handled this situation in a very mature manner. I myself, adhere to no doll groups specifically and just enjoy what I want for this reason. Subbed!
You're exactly right. If I'm wrong don't belittle me, educate me. I had no idea for years what a recast was until I joined a group on facebook...who will act like you're a criminal if you don't know something...instead of just explaining it. I love how honest you are and I love that you talk about sensory issues when you review toys, my niece and nephew also have sensory problems so it helps me choose what I should and shouldn't get for them. Thank you for your honesty. I've been watching you for awhile I'm not sure why I wasn't subscribed did you used to have a different channel?
DeeJayDee93
She renamed the chanel because of the new regulations comming next year. The content is still the same though :)
This is exactly why I've never gotten into the BJD collecting, bc they do TEND to be more judgemental, stuckup, and rude. Jen has been nothing but good about this all the way threw and tbh? They probably just chased off tons of ppl from possibly joining the community. Thats on them. I mean she said MULTIPLE TIMES that she didn't know much if anything at all about BJDs. This was THEIR chance to use a GOOD youtuber to help the community grow. That's 100% their fault.
Thanks for being so amazing Jen. You do good work and really are amazing for ppl who are visually impaired.
No it's 100% the fault of the small minority who got abusive. MOST of the bjd people DID post supportive comments and education, the vast majority, several hundreds if not thousands of replies were kind and educational. a COUPLE of bad eggs have made everyone jump into the "ew bjd people are all bullies and nasty and horrible people" and that's aggrivating because the majority of us ARE NOT and the majority of us DID post kind things and try to educate and express sympathy for being conned by a known scumbag like Luo. This isn't the first time that guy has pulled a really nasty stunt and t his fallout? All these people turning against the bjd community becuase of a few negative comments? That's exactly the kind of thing he and his fans want. So many recast collectors (people who know they're counterfeits but don't care) claim they'll happily continue to hurt artists because the community is "mean" and "toxic" and "elitist" which is ALL propoganda to paint themselves as innocent victims and the legit side as horrible nasty snobs. It isn't true, it simply isn't true, and it makes me honestly really angry to see so many people falling for this nonsense. This is what Luo wanted to happen and it's gonna get him a load of sales and hurt several companies who had nothing to do with this mess. And that's sickening.
I love you Jen!!! I don’t think you should delete your channel I love your channel
The most nice and loyal woman on the earth is being attacked, 2019 is the worst year officially
I'm going to continue only buying recasts because its all I can afford. If that makes someone mad, they can pay for me to get the real one.
Sorry for this late comment this video was in my recommendation for videos. I have recasts as well, but also some legit ones to. I made a post on the bjd fb group about buying a recast to learn how to do faceups and body blushing I didn't want to try on my 800 dollar bjd and mess up. I got bash saying there are ways to clean it up. I understand there might be, but I'm not taking that chance to ruin something I worked so hard saving up for. I also told them if they want to buy me a bjd to practice on go right ahead. I was bullied was being called names. Even someone told me to go kill myself. I left that community, but I still collect bjd for myself not for anyone else. But lately alot of the recast I have bought have been better quality then the original artist.
@@becky7603 I only own legit bjds but I'm now going to buy recasts specifically because u told me not to
I hate that people treated you that way. How does anyone think they can bully someone over a freaking doll! Beautiful dolls are still dolls and no one should feel like the idea of a doll is more important than someone else's feelings. What immature single-minded idiots. To the idiots - Do what makes you happy but keep in mind you are not more important and your views are not more important than anyone else's. Jen, you are a sweetheart and I hope you're wonderful spirit isn't wasting energy on people who do unacceptable things. Keep on being the ray sunshine you are and ignore everyone else. All my love x
yes.. they are ITEMS!! Dead, plastic!! MASS produced!! who chooses others wellbeing over a f*** DOLL?? i am appaled ... POOR JEN ;(
@@moirhann bjds arent mass produced at all. They arent toys they are art. dont get me wrong i believe people shouldnt be mean about it. but recasts seriously hurt the bjd comunity as more recasts = less artists that want to make more dolls in fear of it being stolen.
@@MacaronTrash Wait really? I knew nothing about bjd dolls prior to seeing this video and missed the video Jen removed. I 100% agree that people shouldnt be rude to someone who owns a recast but that's terrible! So correct me if I'm wrong, but some people who made bjd dolls stopped because they were scared it would be taken and recasted? Some people will do anything for money even if it means ruining a whole art form for hundreds of people smh...
@@megan6033 Yes thats indeed what happend. I honestly believe people did wrong by being negative but they want to protect the artists in our comunity. Bc without them there wouldnt be any bjds
@@MacaronTrash Ohhhh so most if them weren't trying to be rude (other than the fact they called her a terrible person) but were only trying to tell Jen to not support recasts? I honestly think it's really sad that this has happened to the bjd community. Some people literally had to stop doing what they love.
Im sorry people are jerk,I did not see the video but, I personally love all your reviews.Your channel is awesome please don’t let their comments trouble you to much.
i love all of your vidios because of your honesty. i have a little girl at home and look to your vidios so i know what i should and should not get for her. i am glad you are standing up for your self and your opinions. thank you for everything you do and all the things you go threw to help us who watch your vidios.
this reminds me so much of the Lolita fashion community that will just trash talk people who have a replica. they are cheaper alternatives that don't support the original creator. should they be talked down to? no. should we educate them so they understand their purchase doesn't support the original artist educating them in a respectful manner? yes 100% . please if you cant find a nice way to educate people about replicas, just don't go off on them. the communities are small enough why push more people out of the community or push people away from even wanting to be associated with the hobby? love your videos Jen and I love this video. thank you for bringing up how toxic some of these collecting groups are and how elite some feel. I hope people can stop and look at themselves and see that the way they reacted was extremely immature.