The reason the trophy for conquering Persia as Scythia is called “I Quenched Your Thirst For Blood” is in reference to Tomyris’ words upon killing Cyrus. She dipped his head in a pool of blood, telling him to “drink his fill”
that's very weird as Cyrus was not even considered a blood thirsty ruler by the standards of that time, the story of conquering Babylon without bloodshed is famous. and he had a good name to a point that he's even mentioned in the old testament many times, especially as a Messiah
@@jamierooney455 kinda make sense, but his son was not even killed as a normal civilian or something, he was killed in a war based on the same resources that told the tale(if we accept them) so that was even more weird of her :)))
@@Amin-zv8yi still tho, Cyrus started the war that her son died in, so it still makes sense for her to be mad. But it’s true that the story is more of a myth than anything else, there is not much proof that any of it really happened. It’s similar to Gilgamesh, there’s not much proof that he even existed.
@@Tenisinspector8341 Herodotus most certainly didn't follow Alexander, because he lived a few centuries before Alexander. Either the name of the historian in the original comment is wrong or your comment is. I'm too bored to search which one though. Anyway, Herodotus lived before Thucydides who made history a strict science, but still the information he gives us for his area in the early 5th century BCE is generally more reliable than any first-hand information we can find for other parts of the world at the same time period.
Yup. Story was made up by Herodotus, a greek story teller. This was most likely propaganda against the persians. The real way Cyrus dies is just by passing in his sleep
@@Neversa my king, he fucked the legend of my king. In all seriousness, he just loves to spew a bunch of lies about the persian empire and I am really not fond of him for it.
@@arsies_What? Herodotus wasn’t known as a “storyteller,” he’s known as the Father of History, and the first ever man to do systematic investigations on historical events. He’s like the most reliable source of evidence from that entire time period.
Even Herodotus himself claims that this is only one of the three stories he heard about Cyrus' death. And ofcource he chose the most outragous one to write down in his history.
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
Because it was told by Herodotus, a greek STORY TELLER. This story was just propaganda by the greeks. The actual way Cyrus dies is in his sleep or by his battle wounds
It's probably not. There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@arsies_ نه بابا!!!! پس هرکی یونانیه دروغ میگه؟ پس داستان جنابالی هم یونانی ها میگنش. البته مگر اینکه جنابالی ماشین زمان رو داشته باشی و رفتی اون زمان باهاش چون هر منبعی راجب مرگ کوروش هست گفته یونانی ها یا رومی هاست حتی گفته تو هم یکیشونه. هیچ آثاری هم از اون موقع نمونده که اون زمان ایرانی ها نوشته باشن چون مغول ها و اسکندر و اعراب نابودش کردن
@@Neversa nobody knows what really was happen to Cyrus and his (I mean the guy who say this store is lie) story is actually made by Greeks. no Persian can say what was really and historically happened , because all of stories are made by Greeks or Romans
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
You missed the best part. About her saying she will drown him in his own blood so when he died she cut off his head and dunked it in blood, quenching his thirst for it
@@thesausageman5388 There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus. In Kazakh version she also added soil because Cyrus wanted Scythian land.
@@Neversa well Herodut isn’t a good source because he ends everything like Hollywood movies, also Kazakh sources are not reliable because Scythians weren’t even Turkic
@@Neversa not true. Cyrus’s goal was to capture the four great empires in the Middle East, which were Media, Lidya, Egypt, and Babylon. So why would Cyrus go in the opposite direction and not complete his goal?
The story is fake. Made by Herodotus, a greek story teller. This story was propaganda against the persians. Cyrus already had a wife that he married before becoming king
@@arsies_ It's probably not. There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@thomaszloi9444 cyrus didnt have a harem unlike Xerxes. Since his one wife was an Israelite i believe, she would not have been okay with that. Plus, Cyrus himself thought that only one marriage was enough. Herodotus himself didn't believe in this story, and this story is the only source for Tomyris's existence
There are many opinions about the killing of Cyrus by Tomeris, the only place where this is mentioned is only a few lines from Herodotus, even he said that it may not be true, and Tomeris was Iranian and was of the race of Iranian Massagetes. He is not Kazakh🇮🇷❤️
There’s actually 3 versions of his death,one says he died of old age which is written and confirmed by many historians,one says he didn’t get killed by Tomyris but was heavily wounded after the battle and died because of it,the other one says he got beheaded by her,the 2 last versions are told by Herodotus and there’s no proof about it,even when Alexander conquered iran,none of the historians said anything about the corpse of Cyrus missing its head.
The story of Cyrus being killed by Tomerus is more like a legend than history. Because the exaggerated and spiteful story of Cyrus' head being dipped in a bowl of blood reminds me of Hollywood movies!!! The logical reason for rejecting this case is Pasargad (Cyrus' Mausoleum), because if according to Herodotus, the Achaemenid army was disintegrated and Cyrus' body was torn to pieces by the Scythians, there will be nothing left for burial in Pasargad!!! IMO Xenophon's narrative (natural death of Cyrus) is more logical.
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Bruh it is all lie Cyrus The Great never had a wife and would never want ro have one after her first wife died do you think we are monsters our something
Yup. This story is from Herodotus, a greek STORYTELLER. This story is propaganda against the persians. The real way Cyrus dies is by passing in his sleep
Cyrus was a king who married only once and loved his wife very much. Cassandane, the wife of Cyrus the Great, was the same level as the king and ruler of the Persian Empire. Cyrus the Great consulted him in all the affairs of the empire, and Cassandane was one of the seven great families of the Persian Empire, and let's not forget that a child born to a non-Persian wife cannot succeed the king. The story of Cyrus falling in love with the Scythian Queen is just a dramatic story of herodotus about the death of Cyrus.
this story haven't confirmed even by who wrote it جAnd this story is contradictory to other stories, and in this story, Cyrus the Great is a completely different person from the Cyrus described by Herodotus before. Herodotus may be the father of history, but only the history of Greece, not the rest of the world
Cyrus was the empire of east and west.if this story was real the it must be in other historical documents.a queen killed the king of persia,babylon,assyria.this is so important but no one mention tomirys just herodotus!after cyrus his son put the crown on his head an conquered egypt immidietly why he rejects his father revenge?
all of the stories of about Cyrus and tomyris is false every time people knows about that too this Persian history is strange and we don't know all things well Herodotus was probably drunk when he wrote this story about it !
Tomyris isn’t even real. First off, her lineage isn’t even known, other than her parents and son. We don’t even know her husbands name, nor who her successor was, or even an accurate year she died. All we know is that Herodotus HEARD from someone else that this was how Cyrus died. And even he stated it’s not proven. The same Herodotus who said there are giant ants in the Himalayas that dig burrows looking for gold (talking about the marmot). And speaking of Cyrus’s death, it’s said that he died in battle, which was south massagetae. And that tomyris kept the body. But the Persians laid Cyrus’s body to rest at Cyrus’s tomb. Even if tomyris only kept the head and not the body, the Persians would’ve needed to cross the border, find the decapitated body of Cyrus, and do so without the massagetae soldiers coming after them, just to bury their king. And if Persian kings show any indication of vengeance (xerxes avenging Darius in Athens), then how did Cambyses, Cyrus’s son, not get his revenge on the massagetae? He ruled and conquered Egypt and ignored the massagetaes as if they didn’t just kill his dad. Which is another plot hole.. And second, Cyrus’s goal was to conquer all 4 great empires at the time: Medea, Lydia, Babylon, and Egypt. And Cyrus was on his way to conquer the last empire of Egypt. Why would Cyrus travel in the opposite direction, northeast, passed the jaxartes River, that is today Kazakhstan, to fight a nomadic tribe? The massagetae were nomadic, which means they did not have a stagnate empire. So they didn’t even have land to offer Cyrus either. And to top it off, bronze was very rare. All 4 great empires in the Middle East used mostly leather. Greece was the only known empire/warring state that used bronze. And they weren’t nomads. So how could a nomadic tribe be in possession of bronze?? There is no tangible proof that tomyris or even the massagetae existed. Other than the not so confident word of Herodotus, who came way after Cyrus died!!
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
The story is just propaganda by Herodotus, in fact, this is the only story that actually mentions Tomiris as a real person of history (which she most likely wasnt). So yea, the story is most likely fake
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@Darcie nope. Tomiris is a mythical character whose whole and only story is her "killing" Cyrus the great. It was just greek propaganda made by Herodotus. Herodotus himself said that Tomiris most likely didnt exist.
@@emanuelmartinez7267 the only historical evidence for her EXISTENCE is Herodotus' story. That is the only thing written about her. There are more writings for gilgamesh than tomiris, and even most historians dispute the existence of gilgamesh. To believe that tomyris existed is more silly than believing vampires
@@arsies_ ......... He's not the ONLY source, he's the oldest recorded source and there's a distinct difference between those statements. As far as Gilgamesh goes it's the consensus that he was a real king that was mythicized later on
Don’t understand why people still believe in these western bullshit. P.S: no hate to people from western world, they are lovely but some academics have fallen into the slavery of politicians filled with superiority complex
i she killed him then how he has that big grave near shiraz? she gave the persians hes body?😂 and cyrus was a very mercy full king and suddenly attacked the people who were alse persian? i cant believe this dude many says that after a war he was injured and was after dead in hes bed peacfully and if you just use your head we can agree that this is the right case
if i named my self Ceasar its not make me ceasar of rome so your logic its good for your self kazakh = mongol + kipchak you can find your origin in Mongolia not in today of Ukraine
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
Nah not historically true. Only Herodotus words, even he wrote that it was one of the stories he heard about Cyrus's death. Other historians all say different things about Cyrus the greats death . Xenophon claims Cyrus died peacefully in his sleep. Herodotus version is very very unlikely because we see that after the death of Cyrus Persians didn't campaign in Scythia (they'd wanna take revenge) plus we see after Cyrus's death his son cambysis invades Egypt not Scythia.
Fascinating... DID YOU KNOW THAT CYRUS 2ND DIED KING OF KINGS AND WAS REINCARNATED AND BORN IN BETHLEHEM JERUSALEM AS YESUA, JESUS SON OF JOSEPH? KING CAMBYSES WANTED CYRUS KILLED AS A BABY. KING HAROLD WANTED JESUS KILLED AS A BABY. BOTH CYRUS 2ND AND JESUS ARE THE SAME MESSIAH!!! Proof of Reincarnation is right before your eye's... 👀
Not anymore! The story is fake. Just greek propaganda by Herodotus (the least reliable historian because he isnt a historian, just a story teller). Cyrus actually just dies in his sleep, peacefully
Saka people = Massagetians were of Iranic origin rather than Turkic. Still she remains one of the most important figures in the Turkic history, especially Azerbaijan's
Tomiris never existed. The story is ancient anti persian propaganda made by Herodotus (a story teller). Cyrus actually just died in his sleep, peacefully
@@wisekodiak2668 no no, you dont understand. The story of Cyrus' death is a STORY by Herodotus (a storyteller and not a historian). Besides this one story by Herodotus, there is no other claim of Tomiris ever existing. Xenophon (an actual historian) wrote that Cyrus died in his sleep after living a great and peaceful rest of his life
@@wisekodiak2668 its not just xenophon, there was also thucydides, another actual historian that stated that cyrus died from the battle wounds he got till then on his bed. A very similar story to xenophon. Herodotus himself said that the story is most likely fake and heard it somewhere, but he liked it so he went with it
That "girlboss" never existed. Also, if she did exist, she would be considered a horrible person. Cyrus made the first decree of human rights, he is the first king to outlaw slavery, and liberated the Israelites from Babylon. Dont mock the dead
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
Maybe find actual real examples of female warriors and not some father of lies herodotus propaganda that he wrote out of his azz while having hate boner for persians. Only westerners with a supremacy complex believes this nonsense
The story isnt real. Made up by Herodotus (a story teller, not a historian). It was ancient anti-persian propaganda. Tomiris never existed. Cyrus actually just died in his sleep, peacefully
The reason the trophy for conquering Persia as Scythia is called “I Quenched Your Thirst For Blood” is in reference to Tomyris’ words upon killing Cyrus. She dipped his head in a pool of blood, telling him to “drink his fill”
Oh that is vile and awesome at the same time
that's very weird as Cyrus was not even considered a blood thirsty ruler by the standards of that time, the story of conquering Babylon without bloodshed is famous. and he had a good name to a point that he's even mentioned in the old testament many times, especially as a Messiah
@@Amin-zv8yi Tomyris would definitely view Cyrus as bloodthirsty no matter what though, since he killed her son. Anyone would in that situation
@@jamierooney455 kinda make sense, but his son was not even killed as a normal civilian or something, he was killed in a war based on the same resources that told the tale(if we accept them) so that was even more weird of her :)))
@@Amin-zv8yi still tho, Cyrus started the war that her son died in, so it still makes sense for her to be mad. But it’s true that the story is more of a myth than anything else, there is not much proof that any of it really happened. It’s similar to Gilgamesh, there’s not much proof that he even existed.
That's one of the way Cyrus died, and it was written by Herodotus, a man with track record of being reliable.
The same guy who never accompanied Alexander and wrote second hand tales.
The sarcasm in your comment is excellent and spot on. Touché
@@Tenisinspector8341 Herodotus most certainly didn't follow Alexander, because he lived a few centuries before Alexander. Either the name of the historian in the original comment is wrong or your comment is. I'm too bored to search which one though. Anyway, Herodotus lived before Thucydides who made history a strict science, but still the information he gives us for his area in the early 5th century BCE is generally more reliable than any first-hand information we can find for other parts of the world at the same time period.
@@XenophonSoulis well said friend
This same man himself says that this could be one of the three possibilities of Cyrus' death
The worst she can say is no
Lmfao
Lmao
I mean he murdered her son
@@Drobexxx Herodotus bullshits
@@ImArvand Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
"Allegedly"
Yeah the dude sounds so certain about this BS.
Yup. Story was made up by Herodotus, a greek story teller. This was most likely propaganda against the persians. The real way Cyrus dies is just by passing in his sleep
@@arsies_ I have a lot of mind against Herodotus but you... What did Herodotus did to you? Fucked your mom?
@@Neversa my king, he fucked the legend of my king.
In all seriousness, he just loves to spew a bunch of lies about the persian empire and I am really not fond of him for it.
@@arsies_What? Herodotus wasn’t known as a “storyteller,” he’s known as the Father of History, and the first ever man to do systematic investigations on historical events. He’s like the most reliable source of evidence from that entire time period.
That is why tomyris has an ability called killer of cyrus
That's not right story. it's one of the cyrus's death
@@Based_everythingwhere can I find the other ones I’m just seeing the Taumuriya story . Thanks for the help
@@Known.As.Alirezay'all still fighting on whether or not its a woman's responsibility for a guy to nut over hair
They had BEEF
this comes from heordotus, the most reliable source in history besides me
Even Herodotus himself claims that this is only one of the three stories he heard about Cyrus' death. And ofcource he chose the most outragous one to write down in his history.
Guys trust me, my uncle works at Persia
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@notme8232 I am from Persia and i say it's not true
@@arshamplays8770 Historical records from so far back can never be 100% trusted
That's some super-hollywoody version of history.
Because it was told by Herodotus, a greek STORY TELLER. This story was just propaganda by the greeks. The actual way Cyrus dies is in his sleep or by his battle wounds
It's probably not. There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@arsies_ نه بابا!!!! پس هرکی یونانیه دروغ میگه؟ پس داستان جنابالی هم یونانی ها میگنش. البته مگر اینکه جنابالی ماشین زمان رو داشته باشی و رفتی اون زمان باهاش چون هر منبعی راجب مرگ کوروش هست گفته یونانی ها یا رومی هاست حتی گفته تو هم یکیشونه. هیچ آثاری هم از اون موقع نمونده که اون زمان ایرانی ها نوشته باشن چون مغول ها و اسکندر و اعراب نابودش کردن
@@Neversa nobody knows what really was happen to Cyrus and his (I mean the guy who say this store is lie) story is actually made by Greeks. no Persian can say what was really and historically happened , because all of stories are made by Greeks or Romans
@@talionofgondor6837he is burried in iran so i believe his body was intact when he died personally i believe he died of battle injuries
It's one of Herodotus' propaganda. Even he stated that it may not be true and that he just heard it.
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@Neversahey ever think maybe his myth made it to Kazakhstan as its land was iranic before?
You missed the best part. About her saying she will drown him in his own blood so when he died she cut off his head and dunked it in blood, quenching his thirst for it
This was something Herodotus wrote because he heard it. It is unlikely it actually happened.
@@thesausageman5388 There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus. In Kazakh version she also added soil because Cyrus wanted Scythian land.
@@Neversa well Herodut isn’t a good source because he ends everything like Hollywood movies, also Kazakh sources are not reliable because Scythians weren’t even Turkic
Didn’t happen.
@@Neversa not true. Cyrus’s goal was to capture the four great empires in the Middle East, which were Media, Lidya, Egypt, and Babylon. So why would Cyrus go in the opposite direction and not complete his goal?
Bruh cyrus was the ancient version of a "nice guy" 💀
The story is fake. Made by Herodotus, a greek story teller. This story was propaganda against the persians. Cyrus already had a wife that he married before becoming king
@@arsies_ It's probably not. There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
@@arsies_ I mean harems existed though
@@thomaszloi9444 cyrus didnt have a harem unlike Xerxes. Since his one wife was an Israelite i believe, she would not have been okay with that. Plus, Cyrus himself thought that only one marriage was enough.
Herodotus himself didn't believe in this story, and this story is the only source for Tomyris's existence
@@Neversa Current policies in that country should also be considered...
There are many opinions about the killing of Cyrus by Tomeris, the only place where this is mentioned is only a few lines from Herodotus, even he said that it may not be true, and Tomeris was Iranian and was of the race of Iranian Massagetes. He is not Kazakh🇮🇷❤️
There’s actually 3 versions of his death,one says he died of old age which is written and confirmed by many historians,one says he didn’t get killed by Tomyris but was heavily wounded after the battle and died because of it,the other one says he got beheaded by her,the 2 last versions are told by Herodotus and there’s no proof about it,even when Alexander conquered iran,none of the historians said anything about the corpse of Cyrus missing its head.
It's all about pleasing the feminists. It doesn't have to be true. It just has to feed the feminist ego.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
The story of Cyrus being killed by Tomerus is more like a legend than history. Because the exaggerated and spiteful story of Cyrus' head being dipped in a bowl of blood reminds me of Hollywood movies!!!
The logical reason for rejecting this case is Pasargad (Cyrus' Mausoleum), because if according to Herodotus, the Achaemenid army was disintegrated and Cyrus' body was torn to pieces by the Scythians, there will be nothing left for burial in Pasargad!!! IMO Xenophon's narrative (natural death of Cyrus) is more logical.
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Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
@@sadinx Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
Havent seen a comment about it. But thats also why Tomyris hated civs declaring surprise wars while Cyrus agrees with declaring surprise wars...
as a cyrus main, i go to war with scythia when they don’t give me horses
Yay lets use Herodotus's fantasy story not found in any other source on the planet.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
ah Yes story from Herodotus he the most sincere man and reliable man in history
Honestly love Tomyris because the ability to get two Light Cavalry for one is amazing when going for a donation victory.
Remember guys, history is written by the winners that could read and write so don’t take it all as fact. It makes a great story tho
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A story that is often told in my country.(Türkiye)
I once had the ottomans and Byzantium in the same game, leading to Istanbul and Constantinople in the same game as well.
Bruh it is all lie Cyrus The Great never had a wife and would never want ro have one after her first wife died do you think we are monsters our something
Yup. This story is from Herodotus, a greek STORYTELLER. This story is propaganda against the persians. The real way Cyrus dies is by passing in his sleep
@@arsies_ye
Just more western propaganda bs unfortunately.🤦♂️
@@PeterPiper247 That’s the west ya.
Yo wtf who is we?
Cyrus was a king who married only once and loved his wife very much. Cassandane, the wife of Cyrus the Great, was the same level as the king and ruler of the Persian Empire. Cyrus the Great consulted him in all the affairs of the empire, and Cassandane was one of the seven great families of the Persian Empire, and let's not forget that a child born to a non-Persian wife cannot succeed the king. The story of Cyrus falling in love with the Scythian Queen is just a dramatic story of herodotus about the death of Cyrus.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
this story haven't confirmed even by who wrote it جAnd this story is contradictory to other stories, and in this story, Cyrus the Great is a completely different person from the Cyrus described by Herodotus before.
Herodotus may be the father of history, but only the history of Greece, not the rest of the world
Cyrus was the empire of east and west.if this story was real the it must be in other historical documents.a queen killed the king of persia,babylon,assyria.this is so important but no one mention tomirys just herodotus!after cyrus his son put the crown on his head an conquered egypt immidietly why he rejects his father revenge?
No she didn't. It was one of her men.
all of the stories of about Cyrus and tomyris is false every time people knows about that too this Persian history is strange and we don't know all things well Herodotus was probably drunk when he wrote this story about it !
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
"Killer of cyrus"
Tomiris never existence, she is just an urban legend of greece that served as propaganda against the persians. Cyrus died in his sleep
@@arsies_ Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
actually thats one of stories , and that have lowest posiblity
Tomyris isn’t even real. First off, her lineage isn’t even known, other than her parents and son. We don’t even know her husbands name, nor who her successor was, or even an accurate year she died. All we know is that Herodotus HEARD from someone else that this was how Cyrus died. And even he stated it’s not proven. The same Herodotus who said there are giant ants in the Himalayas that dig burrows looking for gold (talking about the marmot). And speaking of Cyrus’s death, it’s said that he died in battle, which was south massagetae. And that tomyris kept the body. But the Persians laid Cyrus’s body to rest at Cyrus’s tomb. Even if tomyris only kept the head and not the body, the Persians would’ve needed to cross the border, find the decapitated body of Cyrus, and do so without the massagetae soldiers coming after them, just to bury their king. And if Persian kings show any indication of vengeance (xerxes avenging Darius in Athens), then how did Cambyses, Cyrus’s son, not get his revenge on the massagetae? He ruled and conquered Egypt and ignored the massagetaes as if they didn’t just kill his dad. Which is another plot hole..
And second, Cyrus’s goal was to conquer all 4 great empires at the time: Medea, Lydia, Babylon, and Egypt. And Cyrus was on his way to conquer the last empire of Egypt. Why would Cyrus travel in the opposite direction, northeast, passed the jaxartes River, that is today Kazakhstan, to fight a nomadic tribe? The massagetae were nomadic, which means they did not have a stagnate empire. So they didn’t even have land to offer Cyrus either. And to top it off, bronze was very rare. All 4 great empires in the Middle East used mostly leather. Greece was the only known empire/warring state that used bronze. And they weren’t nomads. So how could a nomadic tribe be in possession of bronze??
There is no tangible proof that tomyris or even the massagetae existed. Other than the not so confident word of Herodotus, who came way after Cyrus died!!
Messagetae basically translates to "far-goths" funnily enough
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
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This is all according to Horodotus. With no other sources we can’t be sure how much truth is in this tale.
If anyone knows, there's said Cyrus's invasion killed Tomyris' son. Who was the father? Was he already dead?
idk but I can say tomyris 'killing' cyrus isnt proven and most the knowledge for this theory is from unreliable sources
The story is just propaganda by Herodotus, in fact, this is the only story that actually mentions Tomiris as a real person of history (which she most likely wasnt). So yea, the story is most likely fake
@@arsies_ damn, based abbachio
@@timurtheking same goes for you, based josuke
There is a Kazakh legend on the matter with slightly different details and Tomiris is named Tumar, her son has a different name and also there's a hero herdsman called Shyraq. Different details all come down to the same morale and the outline of it is the same. So it's not entirely Herodotus.
He's body is buried in his tomb in shiraz If she killed Cyrus the great in middle of nowhere and cut his body apart
How his body is buried in shiraz 🤔
I like how all the people who are saying tomyris isn’t real…when it boils down they are literally just racists and nationalists 🤣🤣🙄
Well that's litteraly her special ability's name
Well, Tomiris never existed so yeaaa
@Darcie nope. Tomiris is a mythical character whose whole and only story is her "killing" Cyrus the great. It was just greek propaganda made by Herodotus. Herodotus himself said that Tomiris most likely didnt exist.
@@arsies_ what? There's no disputing Tomyris was a real queen. What is disputed is whether she had a hand in Cyrus death
@@emanuelmartinez7267 the only historical evidence for her EXISTENCE is Herodotus' story. That is the only thing written about her. There are more writings for gilgamesh than tomiris, and even most historians dispute the existence of gilgamesh. To believe that tomyris existed is more silly than believing vampires
@@arsies_ ......... He's not the ONLY source, he's the oldest recorded source and there's a distinct difference between those statements. As far as Gilgamesh goes it's the consensus that he was a real king that was mythicized later on
You forgot to tell it was a fictional account from the ever lying Herodotus and btw it’s Taaumaa or Taaukshmaan not Tomyris.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
It's not true in history
One of history’s first “YASS QUEEN SLAAAYYYY!!!” moments
Well her ability is called "killer os Cyrus"
This is just a roamer and its not right cause cyrus had just 1 wife and she was Cyrus wife since young age
I want Disney to make a film about her like Mulan.b
There’s actually a movie about her
Irianian ppl fighting each other no big deal to them
This is a fake story, rejected by historians, written by Herodotus, originally Cyrus died of old age.
Don’t understand why people still believe in these western bullshit.
P.S: no hate to people from western world, they are lovely but some academics have fallen into the slavery of politicians filled with superiority complex
Wrong. She is real. Do your research before you start spewing bull**** out of the hole on your face you call a mouth.
Tamyrus is a baddie
Jai Jaat Rani
Yea, I knew, cause I read the civilopedia
That's incel energy right there
That's one of the theory.
i she killed him then how he has that big grave near shiraz? she gave the persians hes body?😂
and cyrus was a very mercy full king
and suddenly attacked the people who were alse persian?
i cant believe this dude
many says that after a war he was injured and was after dead in hes bed peacfully
and if you just use your head we can agree that this is the right case
Ever going to fix the custom asset limit bug you’ve been ignoring?
About 5% of girls born in Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 between 1998-2002 were named Tomiris. I had two classmates named Tomiris
How can you make an Iranian character Kazakh? 😂 Both Tomaris and Cyrus are Iranians, Cyrus is from Pars tribe, Tomaris is from Massaget tribe
if i named my self Ceasar its not make me ceasar of rome so your logic its good for your self kazakh = mongol + kipchak you can find your origin in Mongolia not in today of Ukraine
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
@Hessvinel1011 in Kazakhstan lived iran group DNA! Kangli argyn
You forgot to tell the part where cyrus THREATENED Tomyris to marry him "you neither marry me or I will massacre all of your people"
bro are u ok?😐
Ahhh yes the mythical Scrythians whom are first mentioned by Herodotus whom is a well know historians with no biases and a reliable track record.
Improve the asset limit!!!!
This never happened Tomiris did exist but this war never happened Tomrisi was mixed Turkic and iranic
That is a lie of herodot
Cope Cyrus is real while tomyris is not 🤣
Amazigh/Berber civ when?
You can't have berber civ because the ottomans have the Barbary corsairs
Cyrus die old age
Nah not historically true.
Only Herodotus words, even he wrote that it was one of the stories he heard about Cyrus's death.
Other historians all say different things about Cyrus the greats death .
Xenophon claims Cyrus died peacefully in his sleep.
Herodotus version is very very unlikely because we see that after the death of Cyrus Persians didn't campaign in Scythia (they'd wanna take revenge) plus we see after Cyrus's death his son cambysis invades Egypt not Scythia.
Fascinating... DID YOU KNOW THAT CYRUS 2ND DIED KING OF KINGS AND WAS REINCARNATED AND BORN IN BETHLEHEM JERUSALEM AS YESUA, JESUS SON OF JOSEPH?
KING CAMBYSES WANTED CYRUS KILLED AS A BABY.
KING HAROLD WANTED JESUS KILLED AS A BABY.
BOTH CYRUS 2ND AND JESUS ARE THE SAME MESSIAH!!!
Proof of Reincarnation is right before your eye's... 👀
Found the schizophrenic
Aryan VS Aryan
Not Turkic👁️👄👁️
Great idea for content ❤
Yes, I knew.
Not anymore! The story is fake. Just greek propaganda by Herodotus (the least reliable historian because he isnt a historian, just a story teller). Cyrus actually just dies in his sleep, peacefully
well that's one of the tales about Cyrus's death and by not a very honest person =))) if you know what I mean
Yup. Cyrus actually just dies in his sleep. And Tomiris never existed
Myth
Cyrus the young, not the great. He never did anything great. Died way to young and almost no wins.
You saying her name so wrong 😂 good video tho just gotta say they names right or it's your accent I think
Ask yourself this, is it the right thing to add branches and leaves to ambiguities? That too on such a subject??
Well, Tomyris' ability is called Killer of Cyrus in Civ VI, so it would be a bit weird to not know about this if you have played the game.
Oh wow
Source : Herodotus
Yea. Not acceptable at all.
Cyrus made the human rights and you saying that he was a bad guy
Yeah
@@CelestiCoreCope
its just myth
All lie cyrus never killed 😂😂😂😂
Tomyris is turkic or iranian?
Turkic. Her name is Tomris Hatun
Iranian Because the Scythians were Aryans
Saka people = Massagetians were of Iranic origin rather than Turkic.
Still she remains one of the most important figures in the Turkic history, especially Azerbaijan's
Iranian
Aryanic(persians, medes, massagets,scythians,sogdians,north indians,alans)
This is false
Tomyris does not exist at all
I don't like short guys either
Tomiris never existed. The story is ancient anti persian propaganda made by Herodotus (a story teller). Cyrus actually just died in his sleep, peacefully
Soywojack you are the short guy
myth
😂دروغه
Did you know you are lie?
Horse mommy
Lmao
It itsnt reall
I think she pickled his head too.
The story isnt real. Anti persian propaganda. Tomiris never existed. And Cyrus died in his sleep.
@@arsies_ Maybe
@@wisekodiak2668 no no, you dont understand. The story of Cyrus' death is a STORY by Herodotus (a storyteller and not a historian). Besides this one story by Herodotus, there is no other claim of Tomiris ever existing. Xenophon (an actual historian) wrote that Cyrus died in his sleep after living a great and peaceful rest of his life
@@arsies_ I mean, sure, but you can't double check Xenophon now can you?
@@wisekodiak2668 its not just xenophon, there was also thucydides, another actual historian that stated that cyrus died from the battle wounds he got till then on his bed. A very similar story to xenophon. Herodotus himself said that the story is most likely fake and heard it somewhere, but he liked it so he went with it
Girlboss
That "girlboss" never existed. Also, if she did exist, she would be considered a horrible person. Cyrus made the first decree of human rights, he is the first king to outlaw slavery, and liberated the Israelites from Babylon. Dont mock the dead
@@arsies_ Girlboss
@@guyinachair8810 L
@@arsies_ 🤓
@@guyinachair8810 child
It's an apocryphral story. No one knows if it is actually true.
Cyrus king of people
Tomris turk
Tomiris never existed
She didnt exist and turks didnt even exist in Central asia during 500 bc
Lie
Tomris is Turkish Queen
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
Stupid Turks have always been liars, the origin of Turks is in the Mongols, Tumaris was also the queen of a tribe of Scythians, and the Scythians are also of Iranian descent and have something to do with Turks, even between their conversations and Persians, Medes, and Parthians, there is no need to He was not a translator.
What Dream 😂
Scythian massaget queen(Aryan)
Not meaning to sound woke, But when people say no woman ever was a great warrior, I show them this video.
Lmao she didnt even exist it was just a story herotorus heard and wrote down
Maybe find actual real examples of female warriors and not some father of lies herodotus propaganda that he wrote out of his azz while having hate boner for persians. Only westerners with a supremacy complex believes this nonsense
Fake
Cyruos is big tomires is lie
yes ı know
The story isnt real. Made up by Herodotus (a story teller, not a historian). It was ancient anti-persian propaganda. Tomiris never existed. Cyrus actually just died in his sleep, peacefully
@@arsies_ dude maybe tomyris may not existed but tomris like ruler may be exsisted
@@Euzuner41 they are both the same, just different pronunciation
Wtf Scythia was not in Anatolia, it was in Central Asia. Please fix the map