2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance Full Review w/ Jason Cammisa - The Carmudgeon Show Ep. 142
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- The "Highland" Tesla Model 3 is a big step forward for the world's best transportation device. The new Performance (not Plaid!) model approaches sport-sedan perfection
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The facelifted '24 Model 3 Performance features fully revised suspension, with not a single shared component with the regular Model 3 Long Range. It features real-time adaptive shocks, for the first time on a 3, that adjust continually (in a combined compression/rebound adjustment.)
The New M3P's interior features real (excellent) sport seats, a carbon-fiber "blade" on the dashboard, and an adjustable track mode that allows full control of handling balance.
The exterior gets unique front fascia with an air dam, a rear spoiler and diffuser, and forged, staggered wheels.
Weight is the same as the outgoing car, at 4055 lb. Range should increase 2-3% in the real world versus the previous car. Pricing will be less than $60,000.
Model 3 Performance's output is 510 hp and 547 lb-ft, and it comes with additional rear bias thanks to the more powerful 4th-generation rear motor. The last car would put 60 to 70% power to the rear, the new one is capable of sending 70 to 85% power to the rear at most times.
The inverter can now handle 950 amps, up from the previous 830A, and the battery is now the limiting factor in output.
The new Performance logo looks similar to the Plaid badge, but isn't - that will be held for 3-motor variants with carbon-sleeve-wrapped rotors.
But the specs aren't what's important here - enjoy the full review from Jason Cammisa. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Jesus!!
It's just $52.990 and qualifies for the 7500$ federal tax credit in the US....!! 🤯
Yeah it's surprising cause that also means it's cheaper than the LR! The Model 3 Performance will basically be the best value Model 3 now
These guys are a yawnfest.
@@ericn3221 THE F ?!?!
I see you don't like people who know what they are talking about...
@@ericn3221 The Asian guy's voice is very annoying, and his energy is pretty low....
@@1flash3571 Zero people are making you watch this.Also engagement, even negative is positive engagement :P
Thanks Jason for describing the ride, handling and acceleration curve in detail. So many other reviews are missing these details. Same with the seat description.
Comparing Jason's level of insight to for example Marques' (or even that Top Gear w4nk3r) is actually utterly hilarious.
Exactly Marques, made no mention of ride quality which was my main concern having owned a choppy 2020 M3P
Wait, you DO realize that Jason cut his teeth writing for print (remember that paper stuff?) monthly car magazines. He's an actual, real deal holyfield car journalist. only difference is now we get to enjoy his boyish good looks (ha!) at the same time he's dishing out meaningful, in-depth automotive reviews.
Agreed. This and AutoTrader were the only ones with information of value 😂
@@WordToMomsYo YUP!
Love his history and impact on several mags.
Love that he can seemingly be quite a bit more honest and raw now even more.
His ID4 (instagram) review is my happy place.
The Model 3 performance in the USA is 52.5k car, and it's eligible for the Tax Credit, so you can get it for 45k out of the door.
well, if it's going to be a highly sought after sport car then there should be at least $10k dealership mark-up to the total, correct?
@@tenzinpassang4812 Sarcasm, I hope... Right?
@@tenzinpassang4812 lol
if you include taxes and fees its a little over 50k OTD with the default color options
That's what you call game over!
You’ve actually convinced me to sell my STI and get a 3 Performance.
you're easily influenced; you should have that checked out.
@@eugenuxrelax hotshot. You got some work to do too
@@Laikadap0451everyone has but, at least, I'm not selling my car because some guy on youtube said subarus sux, while teslas are the salvation army!
@@eugenux I spent 6 figures plus, buying, building, repairing subarus. moved to evos, then motorcycles, now MYP. you won't look back. but you have to be ready for it. idk, if your under 25 you might still have the itch.
I own a FK8 Type R and I'm keeping mine - just put in a deposit for the M3P
This new Model 3 Performance is a bargain of the century!
50-60K for a car that has over 500hp, is sporty and yet comfortable, has all the tech features and the best part - no maintenance! Early 2000’s that was a pipe dream. Germans are falling behind. I had 9 BMWs and this new Tesla 3P is going to be my next car.
My bank account is looking at me 👀 sweating right now.
And qualifies for $7,500 tax credit!
Just wait til you find out it's $45k including the tax credit at point of sale!
@@zonkeydudetake my money now!
I hear you. While I would never own a modern BMW beyond 60k miles, my 2019 Model 3 has been flawless.
“This renders the BMW M3 totally irrelevant “ - epic.
Hot take, splashy comment. I don't agree with that opinion, but I appreciate Jason's analysis of the two cars.
2 years ago, it was an icon; now, it seems like some sort of borring economy-box and the EVs are the answer to all of our problems.
@@tdrcarI’d say give it a drive. The old M3 Performance was awesome- this one looks & sounds absolutely stunning. Most folk who ‘don’t like’ EVs haven’t tried them. So much better than dinosaur ICE cars.
@@Berretotube I have a Tesla 3 Dual Motor and have been in this car and the Performance on track. I like my 3. I've also had other sports sedans, an M3, a 911, but I don't think any EV eliminates the raison d'être for performance ICE cars.
@@tdrcar I suspect that there will be a niche for performance ICE cars for quite some time. Enthusiasts will take them out for some fun on the weekends, go to the track or to go to car shows etc. Eventually they will become a bit like old classic cars are now...there will be enthusiasts who keep them going for the nostalgia and a reminder of a bygone era.
37:44 It's well under $60k...starts at $52k. And if you change little, you can get the full point of sale tax credit and now you're talking $45k. Anyone who buys anything else in its class is just not using their noggin'. Tesla just KILLED the competition.
Meh. Sure, Tesla just killed the competition by all the numbers. But there are many subjective qualities that make up purchase decisions, and favoring them doesn't mean you're crazy.
Some people might not want an electric car. Some people might not like the looks. Some people might just prefer the interior, or the sound, or the visibility, or the feel of the brake pedal, or any other of a million possible little subjective things about another car that suits them better.
Starts at $53k. You're at $45.5k before destination and taxes and fees. You're back at $51-52k out the door
@@maximus9401 Yes, we all know taxes, registration and fees exist. We're talking any car prices here bro.
@@user-to2rf1rj5v just correcting the numbers, that's all
@@xtnuser5338 Brake pedal feel is absolutely crucial for me. (along with host of other things usually delved into)
Plaid and ludicrous are both referring to Spaceballs. Elon is a giant child and that’s my favorite thing about Tesla
We never really grow up, we just grow old 🤷♂️
Based
Purchased a used 2019 Model 3 Performance a year & half ago. It’s quickly become my favorite daily I’ve ever owned. Comfortable, great stereo, fast, agile and cheap to own. I drive 100+ miles per day for $35 per month charging from home each night. You are spot on about the ride and suspension issues but overall it’s a sensational daily. Drove a new LR M3 and was really impressed with the build quality improvements and chassis refinement. Can’t wait to drive the new performance but also afraid it might be my next purchase.
That's over 2000 miles a month! For $35?
What do you pay per kwh?
@@F8Tributo half the year I pay .04 per Kilowatt. The other half it’s .10 per Kil. April I used 897 KWh and paid $36 These are off peak rates. I also recharge some afternoons with our solar. Usually between 50% & 80% if I’m working from home.
$45K (with the federal tax credit) is absolutely insane. Stunning car, now even better. Want.
it's astounding what they list it for. 53k. a base M3 costs 77k but you'd be hard pressed to actually find one for that.
Base M3 is called m340i
@@tedarcher9120 sure, so worse than the actual M3 which competes with the Tesla, yet still more expensive than the Tesla, amazing deal.
@@delusion2987 M3 doesn't compete with tesla
@@tedarcher9120 of course it does. similar power, weight and general dimensions.
@@tedarcher9120 *cant* compete with Tesla.
The car is under 50k if you qualify for the tax credit. Ridiculous.
Edit: Now own it. Can confirm.
EVs winning because it's a free market and they are objectively better! oh wait... communism...
45k! And the tax credit is on sale! If this thing was 60k there's no competition but this thing is selling for 45k!
Everyone qualifies now. And it can be point of sale rebate if you want.
@@GROND15 everyone qaulifies? i thought you had to make less than 150k or 300k for a couple?
@@humza4779 you're right. there is still an income cap. It's not a tax credit anymore and everyone can get the full $7500 rebate now. That is what I should have said. Practically speaking the vast majority of people Qualify.
Jason is the best source for unbiased no BS curse word laden reviews! He’s a national F-ing treasure!!!
💯*💯
Greetings from England. I bloody agree! ;)
Let’s be honest, his general tune has changed a lot regarding Tesla since being granted special access.
@@ultrastoat3298 Ehhh.. May I suggest you watch a few OLD Motortrend Head2Head videos?!
And besides that: getting explained how an amazing thing gets made might make you appreciate the amazing thing more - shocker.
unbiased...what a joke; first with that hyundai suv pretending to be a sports car at 2.5 tons, praising gadgetry...now with the most soulless car on the planet, tesla model 3.
The problem is his narrow vision or, to put it differently, his pov; of course, when you have a dino gt4, a kei car, a lotus, a scirocco, multiple e30s and so on, it is easy to say, powerful EVs are the way to go!, you don't need manual, you don't need ice sounds, just get a comfy EV and call it a day.
The majority of us don't have the luxury of owning 10+ cars, thus, his views on current enthusiast cars are simply incorrect.
Sure, a small capacity turbo is less interactive than a high capacity N/A....but, even a modern turbo is miles more engaging than an EV. With a bit of work(read tune), you can get something really exciting...a thing which you cannot say about any car with an electric engine.
Jason, these days, simply chose to ignore this simple reasoning.
The name "Model 3" was chosen because Ford trademarked "Model E"
Cool Snapple fact
Happy/surprised to hear I'm not the only one that switch from and M3 to a Model 3.
Join the club .
I switched from my ICE vehicle late last year and went with a 2023 Model Y Performance and it's the best daily driver I've ever had. I still can't believe I only paid $52k (before the $7,500 tax credit) and it's stupid fast where it needs to be which is 0-60. On my daily drives, I don't encounter many cars that can beat me light to light. Bang for buck, it's the best choice for most of us.
0-60, aren't you the real deal, enthusiast driver right here; ffs, since when, at which point in time ppl stop caring about how a car goes on a back road and all they care is 0-60 at the traffic lights?, all of your egos are so so fragile, all of you need high powered dumpsters on wheels to care for them?
@@eugenux you do you bro…
@@eugenux Yes.
What are you gonna do about it?
@@Tschacki_Quackiunfortunately, nothing; if it would have been in my power, all of the posers and non-drivers would walk, uber or use public transportation.
In my opinion, none of you deserve to be on a road(any road for that matter), behind the wheel of a car(any car, even EVs); ppl who don't understand what driving is, should never be allowed to drive cars. Like I have said, unfortunately, it isn't in my power to make that happen.
@@JimmyKI5PRKI am doing myself..., with driving skills involved and real engagement from the car, things posers cannot say about themselves or know about, for that matter.
As I like real segs, I don't go on blow up dolls pages and sites, talking about how good fake segs is!(so, why all of you EV electro zealots never stop with your BSs on dedicated enthusiasts pages and channels?), I would hope the same thing from EV owners; unfortunately, their egos are much to great for them to be able to restrain themselves.
I wanted the new M3P the moment I laid eyes on it. This episode did not help. Another great one boys!!
its not what it can be, dont waste money on mediocre
@@kalmmonke5037
You missed the point
@@kalmmonke5037 How is this mediocre?
Why does the one guy sound like he’s always on the verge of falling asleep?
Same
I remember thinking, that if they could just improve the top end, make it as luxurious as competitors, and tuned it for actually handling, and keep it under 50k it would be the ultimate value sports sedan
Just a few corrects for Jason:
- Project Highland was internal name for the car refresh (Tesla said the name doesn't exist, but some supplier records refer to Highland), some people theorised it is a reference to Ford's revolutionary manufacturing site "Highland Park Ford Plant".
- The "Model E" name is owned by Ford, so Tesla couldn't use that. Hence the Model 3. But I like that it also then competes with the BWM branding.
- The badge is actually "Ludicrous" - from the Space Balls movie. If you go into Car UI, it is now three driving modes: Chill, Standard and Insane.
Even if its for Jason - appreciated information :) from a non -Tesla car fan
I heard from some people on the inside that "highland* referred to the headlights, or something similar. Internally they used a different name, something related to forests or trees.
@@faeinthebay The Model Y refresh is called project Juniper, which is slated for 2025 production.
Project Highland was in reference to the original Ford plant that made the Model T - which made the revolutionary assembly line for inexpensive cars.
Thanks for this through review, I always value Jason’s opinion. I just want to mention that I am an enthusiast who got a model 3 as a daily, and Jason’s comments have basically read my mind (regarding the tradeoffs for ICE sport sedans are not worth it anymore as a daily). It’s the truth and takes some time for an enthusiast to swallow
its crazy. a rav4 prime is more expensive than this if you include the rebate
They also barely build any Primes. For a little while they were making more Supras.
@@EUC-lid yep. I asked my dealer for an order for my wife, theyre like nope. take what we got on our lot and like it (ie basic rav4, or hybrid)
Tesla model Y , already outselling RAV4.....lol.
@@EUC-lid They don't actually want to SELL you a Prime.
They've already filmed the Pichisode?!?! (12:06) that means it's in post-production and release is imminent, finally!!! It's been years in the making
Will it be only one? I doubt it, should be several episodes - and will it be in Icon format?
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722
It would be, what, a 60 year review of European auto history with a backstory that goes back further? Yeah, one episode wouldn't do it.
@@jimiverson3085 At least a trilogy - epic!😄
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722
Don't let George Lucas make it!!!!!!
@@jimiverson3085 I thought more of Peter Jackson - Cammisa ;)
The new Model 3 Performance is incredible!
100% agree with Jason 👌🏾 Do a “2 Jasons” episode with Engineering Explained comparing his older M3P with the new one 🙌🏾
Yes!
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He hit the nail on the head. I ordered my model 3 performance because i wanted a fast, comfortable daily that is good at everything but for an experience i would have a Z06
It only took them 13 minutes to start talking about Mercedes :)
Best or nothing 😁
Mercedes = NON Contender.
"The Model 3 Performance renders the (BMW) M3 utterly useless" - Jason Cammisa. LOVE IT! 2019 Model 3 Performance driver here.
He thought it was 60k too! When it is 52k and 45k with the 7.5k tax credit which applies on sale now!
So BMW M3, or TWO Model 3 performance?
🤷🏼♀️
I think he means the 2024 specifically. The prior generation performs well but it's really not a drivers car. The steering changes and adaptive suspension were the pieces they needed
We need to get a Franz and Jason collab
Franz Von Holzhausen the Tesla designer?
I placed my order yesterday Black/Black. I'm traditionally a BMW guy and have been for almost 30 years. My favorite BMW ever was my first 1987 e30 325is. The Model 3 Performance is the best deal on the market. I was about to buy a Model S plaid, and then I discovered that the tax credit will apply. I have to lease because of my income I would not get the tax credit otherwise. I will install an aftermarket speedometer mirroring the Model S, which I think is really the only thing missing from a near perfect car
Okay fine, I'll order one
Nice to know that Jason observes school zone limits during acceleration tests for 500HP cars.
After seeing all the youtube coverage on the Ioniq 5 N, I feel like I’m being sold the idea of a good car instead of being told why it’s a good car with flaws. I already know how I feel about Tesla but it’s healthy to engage with opposing opinions.
Dude, you can literally just go test drive one and make up your own opinion. Tesla couldn't care less if you want one afterwards. They aren't a car dealership.
I'm intrigued by the Ionic 5N but at 220 miles of range it's a no go.
Test drive it! Make up your own opinion. But go in knowing stuff. Like the suspension will feel soft and like the base model 3 until you go into a corner. Otherwise you may think it uses the same suspension as a base model 3 initially lol.
@@killr0y I see, that must be because they do not care about their sales drop/job sackings/stock price dependence on future sales growth projections. Facts are superfluous when one has faith.
@@stanmarks3950 I'd say its probably because in most states they are not legally allowed to sell you a car and you have to order it yourself through their website. That, and the fact that they aren't a dealership and everyone that works there is salaried and don't make commission on people buying cars... But please go on about facts being superfluous or whatever made-up nonsense you were talking about. Sounds like a cool story.
I absolutely LOVE the indicators on the steering wheel!
You didn’t even talk about FSD and the ease of plugging in at home and the superchargers!
People have no clue how awesome Tesla ownership is.❤
that is the truth. Have owned a model 3 for 5 years and it's been the best ownership experience ever.
Insane Model 3 looks like it could be fun on the weekend, and then a car to drive to work. That's sounding way too sensible....
I want a new model 3 performance goodby BMW forever
its not as good as it could be , dont bother
@@kalmmonke5037 For half the price of a BMW M3, it sounds pretty good to me
doesnt have enough cooling and fake engine sound not good enough
I’m sold
priorities of driving fun, saftey, effiency , sustinability, , are very harmonious with each other, but laws like CAFE laws and media influencers are encouraging the market to go against what is good for everyone, and engineers at car companies are simply taking the beating and obeying this sad world order because fo their finance team. toyota real world fuel effeincy is better because bfsc chart , epa testing drives cars slowly so small engines are more effceint in that testing but in real world, over tubro bossting small engine is common in average driver behavior . i want gordon murray auto them to collborate on prius , or at leasta version of prius thats more of a handling car because preserving momentum arounds turns to a extent is less usage of materials , less emissions, than relying on decreasing battery life of regenrative braking system, and account for tire wear dust emission and brake dust (for soem brake types) too. for example, imagine prius with no trunk and had peopel sitting lower by shorter structure height, light cheap slippery areo kit protecting weight focused structure perportioning of glass etc a front wheel drive hybrid and a midrear engine rear wheel drive for better non powered momentum preservation , because battery recycling cannot fully happen and currently has been not happening much, hybrids use less materials than any other setup, that means less emissiosn too. also factor in that weight rmakes crash safety, road wear repair rates, materials usage , all emissions including tire emissions (emissions analytics website, endocrine disruptor microplastic, etc) , driving fun (light weight allows easier traction control and traction loss control and allows less powered steering which allows feeling how close to grip limit car is like mclaren/lotus elise/emira etc) . factor in corbrett report, vocational science of freedom, etc, realizations about th climate crisis issues, CAFE laws and europes equal being nonsense supporting "suv" and electric cars (almost the worst car type and the most popular among these "environmentalist") , ani nuclear nergy sentiment among these "enviromentalist", etc... situation for electic cars gets worse. for example, cafe laws promote taller bodied cars and have larger engines being promoted when smaller ones couldve dont the trick, arms race for "safer" car but that means heavier and that means top safe cars are equal to each other but worse for road wear damage, crash damage agaisnt others, waste fuel battery life etc. we dont have a already mass scale solution , at best there maybe the "electric universe nikola tesla" theories , if you like. they could make a compact 4 seater that is liek coupe with practical rear seat (not as is usually done) ,, and they can have recycled forged carbon fiber and suspesnion that angles and heightens the car to have it lower crash absorbing stuff hit that of tall suvs . if it doesnt hit lower sitting cars well, at least it doesnt get hit in its weaker parts by the other cars stronger parts. driving fun is mostly about the challengeing game of often being near danger because everyone values not crashing, so its exciting. quickness (liek go forces) doesnt really matter. but a more commonly enjoyable driving fun is speeding more at optimal power and RPM level according to bfsc chart (similar deal also in electric power motors) on more rather downhill roads and even very temporarily beyond areodynamicly effceint speed before rather uphills roads, and steering braking minimally and smoothly... this is driving effciently, and you could be obsessed over the greater amount of pursuit of perfection that could be had compared to proper h pattern manual clutch experince, because you could get excited similarly as much about such goals as you would care about not crashing. maybe you can combine both by simulated version of such manual in effceint drivetrain that isnt too non dramatic, as a real h pattern clutch would, or maybe even better if your open minded to having high quality speakers at headrest give a sense of sound communicating how close to grip limit you are to acompany the rather non power steering sort of driving experience , or hearing the limited slip differential torque vectoring so you can feel precisely how its distributing torque and wheel rpm even when you dont have traction to feel it. ..............................all this stuff is good for everything that makes driving fun (except louder driving sounds and more danger by quicker paced driving at race track, where stuff like 0-60 mile per hour in 2 seconds isnt disappointingly boring for the costs because the fun doesnt last long enough) and everyone average crash saftey, and less usage of materials for longer lasting 1st world living standard (sustainability and chemicals toxicity) : light weight, showing the driver how close to grip imit he is at, relativly higher grip for making risky effceint driving safe , easy to own cheap reliable car, hybrids instead of electric car for weight and recyclability and materials usage economy sustainability, mid rear engine weight distribution, some non hybrids, limited slip differential (presumably a effceint one that probably disengages when not used, for less tire wear , stability when making speed on curving downhill roads for effiency) .
@@kalmmonke5037 I completely couldn't disagree more, let's check back in 10 years... Full electric will win out, hybrids are a joke. Battery recycling is like owning a money printing machine and will become very lucrative.
@@kalmmonke5037also we need to focus on getting rid of gas emissions more than tire wear...
@@nathansuss emissions analytics site doesnt think so
It’s a Ludicrous badge (one step below Plaid). Source: Space Balls.
Wrong
i dont think turn signals is an issue at all. in fact i love it!
I would take more issue with the drive shifter being turned digital.... but im ok to live with it
I just bought a very well-sorted 2023 Model 3 Performance though I'm kinda wishing I'd waited for the 2024 Model 3 Performance. I didn't think it would be so inexpensive and so much better! :) Great vid guys, thanks!
Thank you for your service. As someone who doesnt get to drive new cars I really apriciate it :)
Have had my model 3 performance 24 for almost two weeks. I'm totally obsessed. I cannot imagine my life without it now.
20:07 I drove a new one. The turn signals on the steering wheel are fine. If it was the other way around people would complain they now have to let go of their grip and do finger contorsions to reach the levers behind :)
That's what I've been saying from the start, but people just hate change, and come up with excuses for it.
But for this setup to really make sense you also need variable steering ratio. Without that it's very hard to signal when coming out of a smaller roundabout. Not an issue in the US, but Europe loves roundabouts, even where there's not enough room for them.
It reminds me when the 3 first came out - looking to the left for the speed “would never work”, is “dangerous” etc. etc. No one even mentions it anymore. It’s going to be the same with the turn signals.
The Model 3 has a 10.3:1 steering ratio which is tighter than M3, 911, Miata, C8, Guilia and every other car I've looked into. It has the tightest steering ratio I've ever seen.
Jason loves talking about steering ratios and turns lock to lock. Im surprised he didn't mention it at all for this car.
They talked about the steering for ages, including pointing out that steering ratio is not just dependent on rack, but on the arm length on the hubs.
Miata has much shorter wheelbase so it doesn't really need as tight turn ratio.
Cybertruck steer by wire and AWS = tight steering ratio
@@larryc1616Yeah, but nobody cares about the Wankpanzer except self-proclaimed Alpha incels.
Well I loathed the appearance of the new M3 and M4 but my local dealer had a base M4 with a manual on the lot available for test drives and I could not resist the chance to personally drive it. When I arrived, my in-person impression was the same - this thing is ugly, but then I drove it. It was easily the best driving experience I've had in a BMW in a long, long time. For reference, I have daily driven my 2008 335i Coupe (with manual) since ordering the car back in 2007 and this new M4 was exponentially better in every area except two: steering feel and exhaust noise. Funny thing when I got out of the car, I no longer thought it was all that ugly, it was as though driving the thing had placed a powerful set of beer goggles on me. I could totally see having a current M3/M4 as a daily driver (with the standard seats, not the carbon buckets), yes it's big, yes it has wild styling elements, and yes, it is silly expensive, but damn the thing was a lot of fun to drive, to me at least.
Never sell that E90. You will be crying your eyes out seconds after it leaves your line of sight, if not sooner. I will do whatever it takes to keep my E82 going. Naturally aspirated, 7,000rpm redline, manual, slightly heavy but excellent steering, and the BMW performance exhaust that adds nothing but magical noises. I put the M3 subframe bushings and control arms on it. I heartily recommend the upgrade.
I prefer smaller wheel base M2, I don't care the bigger car goes faster and handles better on track. But then again the M2 is heavy like an EV.
In this price bracket why would you even compromise slightly on a just "ok semi ugly car" though ..
@@mikeni1225 Yup, I think aside from the price difference, the only thing that could push a buyer into the M3/4 is if they preferred the extra configuration choices available - more paint choices, nicer interior fit and finish (leather type, seats, etc.). As far as driving dynamics though, I'd imagine the M2 is more 'fun' to drive than the M3/M4.
@@Magnus-pm7ic Absolutely legitimate question. I can only answer personally and say there are not a lot of new cars with manual transmissions to choose from at the M2/M3/M4 performance levels and price point. So a buyer either makes that compromise or they open up their search criteria to the used car market.
I just placed my order…now to watch and see if I made a good decision 😬
Congratulations 👍🏻
First! Keep up the good work Cammisa and DTS!
FYI Mr. Cammisa, battery temp is more important for power output than battery charge level. Many think it’s charge level as the #1 factor that limits the output but it is the temp. It seems you had a properly-warmed one anyway if you got 2.90 WITH a passenger ;-)
It's different for different battery chemistries. Some prefer this, some prefer that...
Battery temperature may be more important than SOC to get max discharge power when in the 80-100% range. However I would expect very low SOC, less than 20%, will have more impact than temperature.
Question on the Giulia. My best friend's dad had a 17 then a 19 TIs. I've spent a bit of time in the 17 and a good amount in the 19. He says all the time how much better the steering was in the 17. I'm pretty sure I noticed a difference too but didn't drive the 17 enough and definitely not pushing it to know. Do you have any info in a change? Only reason I asked was you brought up the Giulia steering.
Really appreciate these long format reviews, thanks Jason. Your insight is much appreciated.
I wonder what Jason and Derek would have said had they known during recording you could get one for $45k with the point of sale credit.
It's an incredible deal, you're looking at a sticker price that directly competes with Golf R/CTR (that you can actually buy at sticker mind you) with performance on par with top end sports sedans.
3:35 that was such a good moment lol
not sure what you're referring to, but the answer is ALIENS!
Jason, I only have so much CZcams time. If you keep making such high quality content all the time, what am I supposed to do? (the 944 episode on Hagerty deserves an award)
Took me a while to get the turn signals, and agree they’d be better off left and right.
What I did realize however is that if you would swipe a stalk up, you press the top button.
If you’d swipe the stalk down, you push the bottom button.
Rivian R3 looks like a Plymouth Horizon.
I had the sister, the Dodge Omni, as my first car at 16 years old and totally agree 😂
Or a Yugo.
That makes me want it even more
It looks like a Lada Niva. I'd buy a R3 if it had 4-6 inches less height. I'm over all of the tall stubby Mini SUVs and Crossovers.
As someone who just picked up a CPO Polestar 2, I agree with Jason's point at around 35:00. Modern cars, even performance models, are so electronic and electric at this point that skipping the fake engine noise and oil changes and going to a powerful EV just makes sense for a daily driver.
Totally agree. P2 owner as well. I’ve had a Volvo s60 and Audi a4 as loaners for the past several wks while my other ev is in the shop and it’s been painful to daily drive. We have a lot of hills and constant elevation changes in my area. It’s been dangerously painful as these ice cars are always flat footed waiting for the mild hybrid or turbo to engage or the auto transmission trying to figure out the right gears.
My daily used to be an E46 M3 but now I got an M3 if you know what I mean. I still have my E46 and an M6. $52K for Model 3 Performance. Well below $60K. Nuts...
Like Doug has been saying for years, if the family is in the car with you take the car with modern safety. The future is a bit brighter with this review, however some of us can't give up the thought of losing the pure joy of the perfect shift, minimizing non-essential brake indicating/use, and the sense of freedom that comes with 1,000 km in the tank as you set off on an adventure. Thanks guys
Rivian discussion: the R2 is what will sell to moms and commuters. The R3x is for enthusiasts, but enthusiasts don’t buys cars.
I keep hearing the narrative that nobody cares about the R2, yet they pulled more reservations than they expected. If it’s sold for the announced price it will be a bargain and superior option to the Y.
Showing the R3 was a brilliant move because it got people who were never going to be interested in a family SUV to get excited about the brand.
I'll be leasing an R2 until the R3X is available. I'm enthusiastic about driving cars, so I'll be buying one.
I was literally about to order m340 and now this is available. The price and performance are impossible to beat. I suppose I'll be ordering one.
Same. Was looking at the M340, but after the tax credit Model 3 Performance is like 20k less and faster.
19:00 The turn signal buttons are oriented based on the direction you would normally flick the stalk. Up = signal right, Down = signal left.
All you have to do is feel the bump that spits the buttons and know that pressing anywhere above the bump will signal right, and anywhere below the bump will signal left. I don't own a Tesla but when I test drove the new Model 3 I had 0 problems with the stalkless design.
Great session guys. Please more and more regularly. 👌🏼
25:53 "Does not relent" - Favorite part. Made me wanna buy one 👍
Meanwhile, FUD muck-e GT gives up in 5 seconds......lol.
This new model 3 performance is LITERALLY the most bang for buck best car you can buy from any manufacturer anywhere!
This is the Ludicrous Badge. As is shown in Spaceballs (1987) the Speed Scale is: Light Speed -> Ridiculous Speed -> Ludicrous Speed -> Plaid. And, yes, they are named after a cheesy Sci-Fi Movie.
"how do you compete with it when it's under $60k". Lol... Does someone want to let them know it's $45k out the door w/ the instant tax credit?
Awesome review...have a 21 model 3 performance with some suspension mods...sold on the new 25 model 3 performance but looks like it has a pretty big wheel gap (just like the old one stock)...wondering if aftermarket lowering springs (and spacers) will mess with their adaptive suspension
What Jason says about ICE vs EV performance cars might be relevant, but I don’t think he imagines the buyers of these cars as single car households. If you’re buying a car to fulfill enthusiasm for driving, but could only have one, would they give up the things they like simply because its not the best expression of ICE possible?
The simple answer is yes.
If i don't own an EV, how do I come to that conclusion, sales number, which are the vehicle that are deciding the most?
Love the distinction between experience cars and fast cars. Heavy, FI, go-fast automatics don’t make sense in a world where competent EVs exist.
💯. Get a Model 3 Performance and a nice used Boxster or GM Kappa platform for the weekends. No need for modern performance automatics.
Did Jason say if the dragy 2.9s 0-60 run was with or without 1 foot rollout?
It's Fast with or without that NHRA light time
Without roll out. Someone on twitter hit 2.8 sec.
TESLA is the BEST vehicles , PERIOD.
"When Tesla promises stuff they do what the promise." Come on Jason. Seriously?
Great job on explaining what makes this new Model 3 Performance so great. It really sounds fantastic. Can you clarify was the 2.9 seconds you got with or without rollout subtracted?
no setup required, it's just 2.9 using his dragy app. hit the gas pedal and go, autotrader review is up, he does multiple 0-60 same 2.9
@@ChinUKim-uw1kr I was asking specifically was he reporting the 0-60 mph with or without rollout. The Dragy device reports both.
@@LearningFast tesla on their website reports it is with 1 foot rollout, reviewers didn't mention rollout.
So what I am hearing a combo of a MX5 and the M3P is the way to go 😅
Will most likely be my combo going forward (already have a ND2 (30th)) and the new P.
But we don't have any tax incentives anymore in Sweden
That is an amazing combo and I will eventually do the same 👍👍
"Belgian Pavé and Peasants"
😂😂😂👍
JC talking about fake noise in ICE cars, yet getting giddy over the new Hyundai with fake gear shifts and fake engjne noise ....
Adding fake noise to something that makes noise already is worse than adding fake noise to something silent..
Under 45K not 60 if you get the tax creds.
Thanks for the coverage👍🏼 Did you not shoot video at the press event? Is there another embargo?
love the M539 restorations pullover that Jason is wearing!
R3 really needs to happen quickly!
Ummmm, Rivian still cant fix its very CRAPPY wields........lol.
I don't think I'll replace my ICE cars for this, but I might absolutely look at a Model 3 Performance for the wife when our lease is up on our iD4.
Tell me how you got your wife from a SUV form into a much lower sedan form - car - ish. I would like to use your formula - I could not until now. She insists in a SUVish height.
Drive it first, there's a good chance you'll love it. But also, you maybe right, it's a common experience with Tesla that the wife takes it from you, so giving it her right away could be a smart move. But then you still have to buy one for yourself too.
I'm assuming i6>v6 generally because of the sound and natural Balance?
I've spent the last year driving a model x with the new turn signals. They are... pretty good after about 6 months of rewiring my brain. Seriously. I'm not kidding. I don't hate them any more. We all just need to tolerate each other. These switches didn't choose to be turn signals in a weird spot. You gotta meet it half way.
Why does he say he can no longer recommend the civic Type R?
I was wondering the same.
I am confused about this too… he said invasive privacy violations??
Supposedly they Civic Type R is vulnerable to hackers who can use widely-available tools to lock, unlock, and start the car.
Honda’s privacy notice for all newer Hondalink-capable vehicles says they collect “Driver Behavior Information”. GM got caught sharing their collected DBI (with OnStar) to insurance companies, down to individual trips with incidents of speeding detailed.
FordMoCo, GM, Honda/Acura, Hyundai/Kia are all implicated in the same scheme.
It’s all laid out in a NYT article from March 11th titled “Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies”
What about this new M3P vs the Ionic 5 N that you featured last episode?
Agreed. I'm almost at the end of this episode and the Hyundai Ionic N hasn't been mentioned once, despite a glowing review in the last episode. Overlapping media release dates maybe? 🤔
Edit: Yes I think this episode was recorded 2 weeks ago (based on comments at the end) so perhaps before the Ionic N episode.
@@Sweet_Zombie_Cheezuz
That could be the issue. And since the Tesla would have been subject to a media embargo, they couldn't have discussed it during the Ioniq 5 review.
Does it have super progressive springs or something? How no bump stop hits?
You must have missed the part where they explained it has active suspension
@@killr0y No, it has ADAPTIVE suspension, meaning adjustable damping rates...not ACTIVE suspension that can move itself. And regardless, neither of those have spring rates than can change on the fly. So the only way a suspension can stop travel (other than a bump stop) is to stop the motion before the bump stop is hit. Which means that the suspension motion must be stopped before it would have been stopped by the bump stop anyway. Which in turn means that all you're really accomplishing is to just reduce the available travel. You might as well just move the bump stop closer which would accomplish the same thing.
So the only desirable way to do it, as @chainringcalf eluded to, is to significantly, but smoothly, increase the spring rate as the distance away from the bump stop reduces, such that the bump stop can never be reached under any usual loading. Generally, the bump stop itself is engineered to have a similar effect, which is why they are commonly a tapered section (or cone) of rubber. The intent there is that the first touch of the bump stop isn't too hard, but the resistance becomes quickly increased the further down it is squished. It is, in essence, designed to be a "soft landing" at the end of the suspension's travel. Using progressive springs kinda does the same thing, but spreads the increase across the entire travel range instead of putting it all into the final 1/2-inch or whatever.
Having NO soft landing of any type (like just a metal on metal bump stop) is a bad idea, because the change in tire loading becomes instantaneous instead of progressive, and thus creates a very sudden and drastic change in grip that drivers can't react to quickly enough to correct. (Of course it would be less comfortable also.) Spreading out the load change over some distance of travel, the "soft landing" I keep mentioning, helps make reaching the limit more predictable and manageable.
@@xtnuser5338 ok, I'm not trying to treat you like a retard, but you might want to read up on how active suspension works.
@@xtnuser5338semantics, it's active.
Except that it does adjust damping on the fly: “our new Adaptive Damping system adjusts to driver and road inputs in real time to optimize ride and handling, while also improving ride comfort”.
I am selling my 2020 Mustang GT and getting a new Model 3 Performance. A few years ago I would have never entertained the idea at all.
That performance for 52k is insane
-$7500
weight kills
@@kalmmonke5037 what weight
it would be more enjoyable to drive low weight car where you can feel how close to grip limit car is through steering and even ats if you like. you could speed more on downhill-ish roads at optimal RPM according to bfsc graph for your engine (similar deal in electric motor) , speeding up even beyond aerodynamically effceint speed before uphills. aerodynamic efficiency loss gets exponentially worse at linear change in speed but cars design could make it not as bad). steer and brake steadily and minimally . this is like old school endurance racing avoiding pitstops except you could decide to not go as fast as possible for lower ( emissions and materials usage) . rear wheel drive and limited slip diffential for less tire wear and stable powered traction around turns , even lot of normal drivers will make it worth while on accident. sport car mid rear engine weight distribution rear wheel drive also helps preserve momentum around turns because under braking car tilts forward and too much weight on front wheels lowers grip, greater tire wear . weight worsens crash saftey for everyone in crash (tire grip can resist against the car moving in the way of danger due to crash) , worsens road wear damage, grip levels (unless you are ok with expensive tire replacements often) , increases materials usage and emissiosn including tire dust" xenoestrogen micro plastic" . other weight problems can be fixed with money. crash saftey with forged recycled carbon fiber and crash absorbing steel (to prevent car form moving in way of danger in crash, weight must be balanced with relying on tire grip for this goal). active suspension option moves car into a angle and height for strong heavy lower end of crash structure to absorb crash of such sturcture of the car itll hit. because electric battery and motor cannot be fully recycled, hybrid uses less materials to reduce materials usage and emissions (biological toxcity. i know climate crisis is attribution to human activity seems false, that CAFE law and anti nuclear , corbett report , NWO ,etc all show its a deception) compact 4 seater coupe with adult size reat seats (dont think the usual and youll realize this is a big deal) is all that actually needed. areodynamic transparent shell over the thermal and anti sound materials shaped for weight reduction. maybe 1.8 liter inline 3 hybrid with optional first gear for high torque (for sporting, towing, ,and skilled eco driver)
@@kalmmonke5037 Jesus Christ
Best podcast
One damper valve for compression and rebound is not what is sounds like if you can move between two valve positions for the two events even though they are close in time.
Jason, Tesla 3 Performance or the new Hyundai N5 ?
N5 67k vs M3P 45k
what's the fuss about Honda and Hyundai privacy scandal?
What’s the story here ?
@@porscherain General Motors Quits Sharing Driving Behavior With Data Brokers by the NYT , seems like honda and hyundai are involved
I think it was referring to Ford and GM selling user data to insurance companies. Hyundai is just controversially styled. Not sure about Honda, I haven't heard the precious episode.
You’re guys opinions are rock solid! Love it.
no mention whatsoever about improved cooling; if I were Jason, that would have been one of my first questions to Tesla engineers
Oh this gong to be good! Cammisa always delivers!
18:46 oh good lord...I can't stand this complaint, especially from someone who hasn't lived with one. The stalks were dumb and an appendage that needed to go away. I've spent 40k+ miles in a stalkless Model S and it's JUST BETTER. It's even better in the Model 3 with tactile buttons vs. just capacitive. Your hands never have to change grip to indicate like you do with stalks, it's just the flick of a thumb. Change is hard to wrap your mind around, but I promise if you put aside legacy bias and think about it objectively, you'll come to the conclusion that it's just a better user experience.
To be fair he drives a lot of cars and so likes a common UI for his cars, we know if he used just a Tesla for a month he would not see an issue with the Tesla but he also wouldn't have a job.
I understand you don't turn your car often, right?(the bottom of the wheel up side down kind)
@@eugenux Pro tip: You turn your blinker on BEFORE you make a turn, not in the middle of your turn. You're welcome.
Wonder what kind of stalks are on motorcycles?
@@user-to2rf1rj5v on roundabouts you indicate to exit
Excellent review! Thanks Jason!!
Awesome talk!
This is the best discussion I have heard on cars, probably ever. I think Jason hit the nail on the head when he said the newer versions of what used to be the special cars (3-series, for example), no longer have the goods that made them special...such as manual transmissions and naturally aspirated engines. When it came time to buy a car last year, none of those special cars measured up, and I ended up with a near-maintenance-free, super fun-to-drive and economical Tesla. If I can't have a manual transmission, I'll take that 1-speed instant electric motor torque any day. Thanks for this great video.
Total agree. And the fact these ice compact sport cars are so overpriced! For a similar price, you get a sparsely optioned 4 cyl vehicle that drives or sounds no better than a civic.
Cant wait for Farah vs Cammisa pt2
An Elon hater vs a recovering Elon hater.