KTM 790 Adventure R vs. Yamaha Ténéré 700
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Cycle World put's Yamaha's Ténéré 700 up against the KTM 790 Adventure R. Which will come out on top as we ride from the desert to the mountains on these rally-inspired adventure bikes?
The adventure motorcycle segment kicked off in 1980 with BMW’s R 80 G/S. At the time, many wondered who would want an overweight, undersuspended dual-sport. Turns out, more riders wanted one than anyone would have guessed. The segment has gained more power and long-range touring capability over the years, along with more mass and girth to wrestle when off-road. Now a new generation of adventure bikes has come along to buck the trend of bigger is better, altering what and how far are possible when the pavement ends. Leading the charge are two models inspired by modern rally racers: Yamaha’s Ténéré 700 and KTM’s 790 Adventure R. No longer do ADV bikes have to be overweight and undersuspended.
Both motorcycles are powered by parallel-twin engines, both are equipped with long-travel suspension, and both bear some resemblance to the machines each brand races in Dakar. And now these Yamahas and KTMs can be seen on off-road-racing starting lines around the world. But the real story with these motorcycles is that while they are the most capable examples of the segment, they also address a practical reality for many adventure riders-time.
The dream of packing all your essentials into 100 liters of aluminum boxes and aiming for the farthest reaches of a cardinal point sells motorcycles. Responsibilities have a way of keeping that dream in check. So, how to get the most dream into your schedule? Go faster and deeper off-road. Ditch the panniers, grab a backpack, and hold your own rally special stage. That’s what we did with the 790 Adventure R and Ténéré 700 in search of a quick adventure and the answer to which bike would deliver that fix best.
First up: KTM’s 790 Adventure R, the reigning champion of the middleweight class. Named Cycle World’s Best Adventure Bike in 2019, this sharply styled parallel twin comes chock-a-block with all of KTM’s tech, like lean-sensitive traction control and ABS, off-road ABS, ride modes, a full-color TFT dash, and Bluetooth connectivity-all features you’d see in larger, big-bore ADVs. Yet thanks to a compact engine and frame, the 790 Adventure R weighs in at 468 pounds on the CW scales. Hefty, but still 157 pounds less than the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure, the sales-floor king. A WP Suspension Xplor 43mm fork and linkageless PDS shock provide 9.5 inches of travel at both ends, with preload, compression, and rebound adjustability. Fuel capacity of the low-slung, rally-style fuel tank is 5.3 gallons. All of this comes with a price tag of $13,699.
Yamaha’s Ténéré 700 rings in at $9,999, and for that you get a more stripped-down, or perhaps more distilled, adventure motorcycle, depending on how you interpret a lack of electronics. Traction control for the revered CP2 parallel twin is found at the connection between your wrist and the throttle; how well that works is up to your internal CPU. Ride modes are also absent, and ABS is either on or off. A 43mm Kayaba fork strokes through 8.3 inches, and has rebound and compression damping, while the rear Kayaba is adjustable for preload, compression, and rebound, and provides 7.9 inches of travel through a linkage design. A no-nonsense LCD gauge does not connect to anything beside the motorcycle itself. On the CW scales, the Ténéré comes in at 466 pounds, 2 pounds less than the KTM. Just 37 $100 bills in your back pocket will cut that weight differential in half.
Price is an important factor in deciding what motorcycle is right for you, and it’s a call we can’t make for you. So we will not factor it for a winner. We seek the best performer, not the most expensive or lowest priced. Best is best, regardless of cost.
Power from both the Ténéré 700 and 790 Adventure R powerplants is well-suited for more aggressive adventure riding, with plenty of power to cover highway stretches, and enough punch for really aggressive off-road duty. The Ténéré's 689cc DOHC CP2 engine has lively delivery down low, giving it a dirt-bike-like character right off the bottom. A quick tug on the clutch lever lofts the front end over obstacles with ease. Once you hit the upper half of its 10,500-rpm tach, the crossplane twin begins to run out of steam. On the CW dyno, peak horsepower is 63.8 at 8,900 rpm. However, the flat torque curve jumps above 40 pound-feet at 2,200 rpm for that fun and playful character, hitting a 44.1-pound-feet peak at 6,600 rpm.
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It's great that at least one company will sell us a wonderfully simplified adventure bike. No ride modes and a single switch to turn off ABS ? Nice!!
that's the problem imo with T7- is it simplified or just budged? I don't care for TC much, but the more you dig the more you see it's more about being 'cheap' bike than simple bike - cheap brakes, very obsolete and ugly mono screen(flimsy at that!), 43mm forks(!!!), reused engine from street bike etc... I really hate when manufacturers cheap out on critical components like suspension (NO PRELOAD ON T7 forks thats just ridiculous for 'adv' bike !).
@@Angry-Lynx Well, it is a relatively cheap bike. What you get for the money seems to be a great value if you are looking for a simplistic canvas from which to build a fun ADV tourer. Nothing you listed is a turn off to me. That reused engine has better power delivery for offroad than the 790 and is extremely fuel efficient as well as low maintenance. the suspension can be easily sorted (fork girth is a non issue but it makes for a good magazine talking point). Looks are subjective but I find the mono screen and T7 overall, to be far more attractive than the KTM. Brakes stop just fine, hell you can do stoppies! Not much on the market that doesn't force a buyer to purchase complete electronics packages so to me, it's a worthy tradeoff.
@@motopossum7839 And Yamaha reliability.
@@bseidem5112 Indeed. I put 50,000 miles on an FZ07 without a single issue. The CP2 engine is one of the best engines to have come out of Japan, hands down!
a real bike for a real man. not cheems who rely on technology. and the company isnt known for blown up engines. plus, it looks like a "bike". what the hell even is that praying-mantis looking headlight?
T7 all the way ! Nothing beats reliability , simplicity that gives peace of mind ! Besides that the T7 is just beautyful!
Nice Review! I like the performance from KTM. But the T7 simplicity is what attracts me. No Tech = No problems!
Countershaft sprocket leaks on the KTM 790’s.... But it’ll be cover under warranty and there is also a rear brake line recall because of the shortness in the cable line, just my 2 cents since I work at a Ktm dealer, I’d go more towards the T7 because of the minimal electronic bs and Yamaha reliability
How does a sprocket leak?
He os right KTM more expensive maintenance and more faults usually. AUT craps.
@@dalecolegrove6652 The sprocket is mounted on the final drive shaft with an ‘o’ ring behind it. Don’t know about road bikes, but dirt bikes need them changing every now and then. It’s real easy to do at home and costs next to nothing.
Have over 25k on my 790 no issues. Now the 790 is a 890....you want the best bike.....easy choice.
@@Howling-Mad-Murdock The very first batch of the 390 Duke we had in India back in 2013 had the exact same problem. There was a difference in tolerances that caused the O-ring on the shaft to get sliced during assembly. As a result, every 390 Duke I saw in showrooms had a dripping front sprocket. I don't know if the 790 has the exact same problem.
I’m buying T7
Good choise.. I tried out both, and I bought the T7.. no question!
@@olisadventures6025 I've been having trouble finding one. Do you know any dealers that have them in stock?
@@jacobthebaer Good question, depends on where you live.. The best way to find out is usually to call the importer / distributor in your country, they usualy know wich dealers still have one! Good Luck!!
Id say T7 over ktm..i checked and there alot ktm forsale versus T7 .. I guess once bought its a keep
I was the owner of a 1290 Super Adv. In Brazil, it gave me electronic bugs that kept me awake, KTM here in my country is not able to remain carefree or trust the dealerships. I sold it for fear of exploding in my hand, unfortunately.
Going by reputation of reliability & the fact that Adventure bikes can have you in the middle of nowhere , I think most blokes would go with the T-700 , knowing that yes the Kato will have better suspension & power .. but reliability is a huge thing, & Yamaha has it.
I’ve had my T7 for 12 months now and agree totally with your comments. I’ve done the Oodnadatta Track and had nothing but confidence with its reliability. On the other hand I have an associate who has the KTM 790 who recently had to trailer the bike back to Victoria from the NSW high country because it just decided to not start one day. The electronics on the KTM are one of its greatest features but also it’s greatest downfall. The T7 has strength in its simplicity.
Couldn’t agree more and I own KTM motorcycles. The reliability really is the only bad thing with these bikes other than that the performance is amazing.
When you accidenticaly drop your KTM in the middle of nowhere and you realise that your trottle by wire is broken OMG
No electronics no problem 👌
Reliability , pure adventure sense and simple.I bought T7rallye.
@@devhowto japanese reliable production kid.
I riding buddy got his T7 upgraded with rally raid 230mm suspension and it’s amazing! It’s totally transformed the bikes handling off road.
Can't wait to pick up a T7 this spring
You will love it.
If you drop it it's a write off.
@@captainwin6333 I've already dropped my Tenere loads of times. It's an absolute riot of a motorcycle I love it
@@patw9175 is it a good bike?
@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 Hell yeah. It's like an MT07 and a supermoto had an overweight baby. It's the adv bike for squids. Love mine.
T7. Adventure motorcycles need to be able to do crush miles on the road as good as they do they trail, the Yam does that. + reliability, cost, wind protection, etc.
Use the money use saved to buy lots of Ibruprofen since you'll never be able to give your right hand a rest.
the KTM can provide that too...
@@FanOWater also, KTM is more user friendly regarding riders rest... She just want to go to the KTM dealer with that light that doesn't go off, that function that stops working, etc, etc, so the rider can rest itself... Sometimes for several days... Sometimes away from home for a well deserved vacations in some 3rd world destiny.... Now the T7 won't let you rest at all... Big disadvantage, no doubt. Plus the ibuprofen.... Bahh... (kidding)
@@fitty77 My Yamaha FJ-09 doesn't seem reliable enough to ride outside first world countries.
its simple man... Quality over Quantity.
KTM AR had let me down so many times with faulty rear brake sensors, fuel tank level indicator problems and rear shock adjustment problems. Now riding the basic but awesomely built YamTen7. Nothing against KTM but this was a rush build that needed the 890 AR to put it into retirement ✌🏾
Those floppy blinkers on the Yamaha..... lol
for extra propulsion
That is intentional....you know...so they don't break off when you look at them harshly.
It's like floppy dog ears but on the ass end.
@@bigjack5426 bruh, don’t insult the dogs like that 🤣🤣
Great review! Been loving my 790 on & off road!
T7 with 3 grand to spent on extras, and still to be left with some change to buy new gear... No fancy shmancy electronic, which not will be used anyways...! Great way to learn even more, as no TC steppin in... Tenere T7 all the way for me!
I’m inclined to agree with you on that. We don’t really care as much about performance as we used to we just want value for our money.
Both great bikes. I've had the 790r for a bit over a year now and have had no problems other than the rear brake recall. no big deal. It's my first proper adventure bike and I love it. It doesn't look pretty but I don't see it while riding and it makes me smile. On this bike I go and keep up with my mates on 500 exc's and can head home on the black top no problems.
790 for me.
I'm surprised to read your comment about the looks. I think this KTM 790 looks fantastic! (Assuming it's the same one in this video)
When you speak levels of TC on the KTM I hear "can you please call somebody...oh...wait I have no net..."...I'm old school, II travel with no support team and prefer to get to my destination safe, even if a little late, so I travel in either my s10 1200 (more road biased) or, if off road, in my T7. No BS electronics to screw things up in the middle of Marrocos and having to rent a pickup to take me to the border (like I watched many times while waiting on my Tenere). Adventure in remote locations is about dependability and trustworthiness, not timed laps. Of course you can prefer that and be happy about it. KTM is a soulful machine that pumps up the bpm on your heart, but each one to its own. I never ever had a problem with my teneres (although the t7 is new, the t12 is not...) - knock on wood-. What's most important is for everybody to be safe and enjoy!
probably the best review i have ever seen, obviously not subservient to either brand unlike 90% of reviews on youtube. keep up the good work.
Good review, great to see more middleweight options in the Adventure motorcycle class. I chose the KTM 790 ADV R and it has been a rock-solid performing machine both on and off-road. Best bike I've owned so far and a clear choice vs. the T7 for me. The KTM electronics also include modern safety features and creature comforts for the pavement rides that get you to the trails.
I totally agree with all your comments. Fun factor alone the KTM wins hands down
When you buy yamaha or honda you got suppory from all yamaha honda dealer at Africa, indonesia, or papua. Wake up Thats how to choose adventure bike
What's up with the KTM rider's body position? He's leaning way forward on the flats.
Isn’t that standard KTM riding position, except Toby Price!
🤣 I was thinking the same thing !
he could be tall. I seem to ride that way too but I also dont know what the fuck Im doing 90% of the time
I do that too because the footpegs are inclined towards the front on my adv 390
Ryan at FortNine claimed that the pegs push you forward when standing.
I love the t7, and I’m gonna get one soon. But regardless of your verdict, I do appreciate succinct, objective comparison of the two. Cheers!
You guys do such a great job of reporting on performance from new bikes. I wish there was also a reliable source of info about what the bikes are like to live with for 5-10 years. Can’t ask for everything...
they are all same,in every language and culture,try the bike one day and ommiting percents of failure,wich is so important as how performant is the bike,nobody buy a bike to pass weeks and sometimes months waiting for a piece broken,supposed to be part of the data you supply
Yamaha's reliability history is probably the best out there. The Tenere also has less hi-tech expensive parts that will (as we all know) eventually fail. I know what the results will be in 10 years looking back................. sorry KTM.
Great vid! This was precisely the comparison that I was looking for. For me, it looks like the T7 will do the job perfectly; but, damn, that KTM is slick! 🤙
I started riding dirt bikes when I was 10 years old, we had a cabin in Big Bear (CA) and riding is how I spent my weekends and summer. Always 2 strokes, the bikes weighed almost nothing...I gotta tip my hat to anyone who can ride a 400 - 500 pound bike off road, really....I just can't imagine the endurance and strength required to do it!!!! With that said, would love to ride a T7 for a day....
Awesome review! Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
Without the same tires this review means nothing.
stock vs stock
I keep daily riding my 2021 T7 and my Friend with the KTM keeps taking days off while it’s in the shop. I really feel bad for him because he spent so much and there’s no denying he got so much more power BUT he didn’t get what he paid for in reliability.
Great straight forward review of the stock performance of these two ADV bikes. I'm looking to get back into ADV riding and planning to purchase the Tenere 700 due to the price point and the simple design and lack of electronics to deal with.
I've ridden and owned about everything available over the years, and coming from a very heavy motocross racing background I was leaning towards a husky 701 or 690 as my coming back to riding (single track trails, to long hauls, to camping off my bike etc) platform for versatility but the Tenere is calling to me!
$3700 buys a lot of everything else....
Ya... like a DRZ as well!
If this many comparison reviews exist vs the 2 bike's, it tells me the KTM is nearly the gold standard, and that the T7 must be quite the motorcycle! I had the FZ07 for 3 years and loved that engine, so i'm very excited to take one of these out on my own test drive.
Just bought my Tenre. Buying bunch of after market parts to go on when it’s being built!
Max torque muffler actually gave me more torque and power, and dumped 10 lbs... I can feel it....Get it!
I just couldn't get off the KTM and look back and think "that's a cool bike". I love getting of my bike, look back and get that "hell yeah" feeling. In that aspect, the Tenere wins by far. Anyway, great bikes.
well tbf they're both ugly.
hate the KTM plastic gas tanks, in person they are just ridiculous...I realize they are beneficial (until you endo), but they really detract from the looks...
The plus is You don't have to look at the KTM while your riding it
Great footage guys! Regarding the review I can just confirm what You point out on these two giants in the segment. I have a 790R and are ofc colored by my choice. The T7 feels a tad boring coming from a 790 when test riding back to back. The T7 feels like riding the 790 in Offroad Throttle setting. The T7 points and handles very well on road and on gravel roads in a very comfortable way. When the trail getting more rough there is a significant difference in how more dirt bike'y the 790R feels. And that difference in power makes smiles 😁Happy trails out there!
On the long run I would guess you'll get more enjoyment for your buck with the Ténéré. Japanese bikes tent to last longer and already seen some KTM 790 horror which convinced me again. Besides the fact I think the Ténéré feels better in all possible ways in riding experience.
Spend 1.5k on suspension for the t7 and you still have a lot of money left compared to the ktm
Great review , can't wait to find one Yamaha Téneré 700 :D I'm isolated here in Egypt. Unfortunately most bikers here in Egypt are on road type of bikers.
Justin this review is very 2019 when everyone and their dog tested the T7 using standard suspension and compared it to the 790 R without consideration that the T7 is too softly sprung for American/Australian/Euro riders. Set up that way is not going to reveal what the T7 can do for most riders when they tune their suspension correctly. Fitting the right springs for a few hundred dollars and setting the preload and damping for your weight makes a tremendous difference.
If you really want to do this comparison in a way that riders will relate to in 2021, then correctly configure the suspension for your weight on both bikes and retest. You should also fit the same tires and my recommendation would be the Shinko 216 MX front and rear, because these are dirt oriented adv bikes, and these tires will reveal what the bikes are capable of. If you really wanted to be thorough though, then perhaps also test using the same 50/50 tires on both bikes.
@Justin Dawes That was my point Justin, stock vs stock might be something you do when its new. Its now "the future".
The price difference should be considered here. These bikes are in different price brackets and not even worthy of comparison in stock form. But a modified T7 against the KTM 790 R is a much more equal fight, and the T7 would still be cheaper.
I prefer the simplicity of the T7.
Plus KTM is ugly.
I own the previous tenene xt660z.
I learned how to ride offroad with that bike, i crashed it countless times .
I change the oil every 10 thousands km.
I have 117 thousands km with it and i changed only a starter relay(€60).
The reliability of that bike is insane.
I will definitely go with the Yamaha
This should have been done on the same tyres.
Keep it stock on a review.
@@yaboi-km2qn makes no sense. He talks about performance on road etc... even says maybe the tyres. So he cannot really review traction and front end feel unless the tyres are the same.
If you have different tyres you get significant differences and that makes most of the review redundant.
You see most review channels putting the same tyres for exactly this reason. It removes that difference and leta you actually compare.
Man, tire's make a big difference !
T7 will outlast the ktm so long your Grandkids will be able ride it... T7 for the win.
god damn right
For an adventure bike I hold reliability at or very near the top of my priority list
IT will outlast it until you drop it on the right side, I was out with my buddy on his 3-month-old T7, he dropped the bike and it wasn't that hard of a drop and the muffler hanger bent the rear subframe, the rear subframe is welded on the bike not bolted so the bike was totaled out, I put my money back in the bank when you can drop your bike and total it, I don't think it's for me.
@@tacjam1 this is g damn depressing news. The new cfl300 from honda is doing the same thing. I can almost understand doing it, if it save money, on street bikes that aren't ment to hit the ground but on an adventure platform its basically a given your going to drop the bike. Id rather lose some structural rigidity for the ability to unbolt and replace a subframe any day
I have owned Yamaha dirt bikes in the past as a matter of fact I used to race them. They are very nice bikes but don't believe for one minute that they don't have there problems also. Welding the sub frame to the rest of the frame is ridiculous! You don't have to fall that hard to bend a sub frame. When you do no more bike. But I guess the engine will still be running. The KTM wins hands down.
Thank god for Dawes, pretty much the only reason I keep watching the CW and Motorcyclists vids these days.
I've had the Ktm for about a year now, and the only thing I'll comment on is the Fuel economy. For off road use I get about the same as what you stated, 41-42mpg. On my highway commutes to work every day, I get about 50-60 depending on how aggressive I ride.
Just my two cents. :)
Awesome review, and great camera work!
There is A great video on CZcams, with pol tarres, the seeker movie, on the tenere 700, its amazing what these bikes can do, in the hands of a pro extreme enduro rider, same with chriss birch on the ktm.
One correction...the WP of KTM 790 adventure R are 48mm and not 43mm.
T7 with a suspension upgrade easily. My buddy had his 790 ADV R waiting for 3,5 months (waiting for parts) summer 2020. I will use it as my main commuter and Covid vacation 2021 in Denmark/Norway. Reliability, simple mechanics, less electronics, fun on the road while remaining the possibility to take it on poor gravel roads or easy off-road.
You nailed a great un biased video. Some of the others cant do. I had the T7, absolutely excellent machine. I put $2600 into, seat, suspension, rack, pipe, and never got to the same performance as my new 790. So, when we compare value it needs to always be mentioned that these machines are the same cost if you want the same stuff. Just the way it works, If you want less, T7, even more less KLR, in all fairness, great bike. But the ktm is performance and for the extra value you get exactly what you pay for. The abs issue with default on the yamaha, it sucks, for anyone doing adventure riding off road. Its damn right horrible and their needs to be a way to disconnect it before I killed myself.
right!? and ppl think they put some 'bolt ons' on T7, upgrade suspension and will have the same 'performance' as 790r but with better reliability......
fck no, it's not that simple, T7 is kinda budget bike and you can't do much about boring and not very strong engine.
The KTM has the same but even worse issue, what are you talking about? They’re very similar bikes, and I bet I’d destroy you with my T7, but when you ride to the cafe for pictures and insti shots, you’ll certainly feel better that you spent more money for nothing ;?)
@@dasboot9471 Wonder how you get that when looking at the bikes spec's. Suspension, power, clearance, weight distribution, etc, etc. If they mean nothing, how do you rate a bikes performance? I guess with that math, I could destroy you with my old KLR. Really man
in these ktm vs t7 articles, notice that most of the comments are typically posted by t7 owners justifying the t7 and why they didn't or wouldn't buy the ktm -like the guy who buys a toyota 4runner proclaiming how it's good enough compared to the range rover. also, notice how many of the t7 supporters comment about money, unnecessary performance, reliability, good enough, etc. lotsa practical stuff.
notice that its the t7 riders competing with the 790/890/690 -like short men trying to compete with taller men, and the taller men aren't even aware that they're supposed to be competing.
watch a ktm 790 video and notice the emotional response of rider. "woohoo!", "amazing", "what a blast!", "so much fun!", "omg!". ktm riders value the emotional experience and performance over the many seemingly practical sensibilities of the t7 or a klr. many ktm owners want "ready to race". a yamaha mt10/fz10 is great bike seemingly more cost sensible choice and i'd rather ride a ktm super duke, ducati streetfighter v4 or even a bmw s1000r. i value the emotional experience before all the practical stuff. i ride motorcycles for the emotional experience. it would interesting to compare the lifestyles of ktm 790 owners vs t7/klr owners. the differences seem apparent, when i look at my buds who ride one versus the other.
i wonder, if money wasn't an issue how many people would still choose a t7? if you respond with, "money is an issue" or something like "$3700 is major deciding factor in my life", what does that say about your life?
carry on with justifying the sensibilities of the t7, everything's that wrong with the 790 and how glad you feel for choosing a t7.
You had to bring the KLR into this😜 I am very content with my baby. She took me to hell and back. All bikes have their pros and cons and I have to say that for me it is a question of when you get onto a bike and it doesn't feel right then check out another. You will know if the bike fits you. I sat on a KTM 790 and it felt like home for me. When I sat on Yamaha T7 it felt to high and akward. If you have to get on it everyday it must feel right to get on first. Anyway, people will always try and justify what they have. The KLR is heavy, top heavy and sounds horrible in comparison but does the job for me now being broke and all. If I had money I would buy the Ktm790 any day over the Yamaha.
Yeah, you get a lot of that. When I bought my first Exc, my mates on Yamaha and Honda were taking the piss, “do you know what ktm stands for? Keep taking money!” Couple of years later and I’m the only one who hasn’t had reliability problems, my bike starts first time every time. One of the Australian channels did a video on suspension upgrades for the Tenere, in the comments someone asked if the best (and most expensive) mods brought the bike level with the Adventure R - the answer was no, that the Ktm had outstanding suspension right out the box, and even spending more than the price difference wouldn’t get you equal performance. Personally, as a keen off-road rider, I’m buying the Ktm. If I wasn’t bothered about off-road, I wouldn’t buy either - I’d get a GS1200.
I ride an old Ktm 990 adventure s at the moment and have owned several Ktms over the years. I have tested both and I prefer the Tenere event if they had the same price. The 790 is simply to ugly!
@@Checkyoursix77 I really like the Tenere from front on, but just can’t warm to its side profile. The 790 R is the only Ktm I like the look of. The only thing that would make me want the Tenere more, is the reports of the engine being much more tractable at low revs. And the sound, the exhaust note gives me the horn.
I agree with everything you said, however I would buy the T7 since it would suit the typical rides I do- hop on the highway for 20 miles to ride around on national forest roads. I wouldn't be trying to keep up with an EXC 500.
This was a great review, but it highlights what everyone else is finding: These are apples and oranges. Don't buy a Japanese bike and try to turn it into a KTM, just buy the right bike to start with.
But comparing the T7 to the KLR isn't fair, out of the 50 motorcycles I've owned the two KLR's I had were the most overrated, disappointing, soul-sucking POSs that I've experienced.
I think the T7 would replace the DL650 and Dl1000 in my stable of bikes.
I love the Yamaha 700 however KTM Is a clear winner for me. I had it over a year with no problems and it performs like heaven off road. I love the display and integration with my electronics. I am heading out to Mexico ( from Chicago) for an off-road adventure this winter.
The less tech you have on adv bike the more enjoyable the ride will be. Tech makes the whole experience stressful
No electronics am sold. T7 takes you to real riding days in an era ruled by electronics.
Thanks for that thorough review. Great content! I'm still torn but I think it's the T7 for me
Nice testing and very good Rating. I think you separeted the bikes well. My Choice is for sure the 790R or now the 890R and yes, i like the KTM Design very much, its Form follows Function. But everybody can choose his bike with your video very well. Good Work so i hit the ABO Button for more like this.
Why not compare the T7 to the regular, non-R, KTM 790? Makes more sense pricewise, doesn’t it?
No because the R is for off road
ManAndMachine thank you, that is a short answer. Both 790 Adventure bikes are made for all-road travels though, just like the Yamaha T7. You can’t really say the ‘normal’ 790 Adventure wasn’t for off road, can you? By the way: I am quite sure Yamaha will come with a better equipped T7 in the future as well. Would be nice to see you do this test again then!
I’d prefer the T7 over a Chinese made ktm.
Which ktm is made in China?? None. A Chinese company has licensed the use of a ktm motor in their own bike. Some smaller KTMs are made in India. The 790/890/1090/1190/1290/990/950 are/were all made in Austria.
@@Advcrazy all of them euro made garbage
everything is made in china now
In what world is +460 pounds light? That as much as an Africa Twin from the 90's. What progress.
@Justin Dawes Totally Agree, these modern bikes are just too big and fat. By comparison to other middleweight bike, my old Transalp wieghs in at 386 lbs dry / approx 426 lbs wet
So Bee Cee, your Transalp weighed 34 pounds less...but had half the horsepower. I'm pretty sure that the suspension has improved somewhat since then. Progress indeed. There's plenty of lighter bikes for you to choose from. But they don't have the on road performance, power and features of the KTM 790 Adventure R. Lucky for us, there's something for everyone.
can't help but kinda agree they still can't make 2 cyl 700+cc bike that weights less than 200kg but oh well I accepted that, and we have 701 after all ;
@@kalaharimine Honda just re-trademarked the "Transalp" name.
I can't wait to see what comes out.
fair comparison, but you forgot mentioning RELIABILITY
Friendly reminder that in 3 years when all the electronic gizmos on the KTM shit the bed, the yamaha will still be operating just as good as it was the day you bought it.....
I like the T7, but your statement that the electronics will fail within 3 years on the KTM doesn't match my experience at all. Buy the bike you want, but don't knock the other bike unless you have personal experience to back up your beliefs.
@@hungwasson1399 fair enough...I hear you. That being said, electronics on mechanical devices in general tend to be failing points. It’s just additional complicated systems that don’t tend to last for the long haul. Keep shit simple and mechanical and it’s easily repaired and generally reliable. Computer systems on new cars glitch and fail all the time and require regular updating etc. Maybe I’m just old school, but all the electrical nannies seem like unnecessary items that up the “wow” factor and price but do little to add any actual value. Again, just my .02
@@pbourdon231 Had BMW and KTM with a bulk of electronics for about 8 years now, never an issue. On the other hand, my girlfriends T7 has it exhaust falling a part and a waterpump issue, all within a years time. Also have a 990 adventure, which I ride most, no electronics, no nothing, 9 years old and only replaced the fuel pump once. So I'm not bashing anything but my experience is very different. Every manufacturer has its Monday morning models.
@@pbourdon231 like in cars , ABS, blind spot detection, selfparking ,obstical detection, brake assist , maybe just learn how to drive :))
@@marcelfacd thats the thing no electronics those 990s are gorgeous bikes and sound amazing, kills me that they were discontinued To me reliability and simplicity go hand and hand, i have a DR and ive done everything but shoot at it. But looking for something with a little more oomph and comfort long haul but still can hold up to some disrespect. At the bare minimum yamaha is just more common. Probably doesnt amount to much these days, they are making things so fancy you cant fix anything anymore.
Nice comparison, thx for sharing. One point you never mentioned is how bad the KTM engine is behaving in lower revs, it is running rough and indignant, requires to downshift where the Yamaha is just pulling smooth through the rev range. The Kato is racier and wants to be revved then the engine shines. I found my self unconcentrated and permanently switching between modes and traction control stages. When the Kato begins to be better in off road terrain my skills have ended and I found the Yamaha more than enough capable for what I ride. Finally the KTM is so ugly that I decided in favour of the T700. I wonder why KTM still uses such a hard to clean swing arm that looks like if they forgot to finish it in the factory.
The Yamaha's wobbly instrument cluster is a pain and also the bracket for the exhaust can is much less than ideal as it is welded to the subframe which is welded to the main frame. The brakes are not as good as those of the Kato but finally I saved so much money that all this doesn't really count and on roads I felt the Yamaha being a lot better though its engine has a bunch less horses.
Somewhat exactly my thoughts & words! Very well said! That´s it! I´ve done 12K kms, autumn 2019 til autumn 2020! Did TET/ADV Italy, Croatia, highway inbetween: what a joy to ride!
True
I am trying to maintain mid to high rev while riding ktm 790. around 4k to 6k, engine torque is pretty constant.
@KTMARV 1 how a bike looks is arguably just as important as how it performs to me. Both come behind reliability tho imo, no one wants a bike that you can’t push for fear of needing to repair it
Yamaha ❤️❤️❤️
1. I wouldn't want to be seen dead on the KTM (it looks horrible imo)
2. The KTM has electrical stuff which in the African bush has left me stranded twice so I will go T7 as it has no electrics to cause a "limp mode" issue.
3. Yamaha looks much nicer.
4. Yamaha is Yamaha so that means for me it is reliable. Never had one engine failure or issue in my riding career on Yamahas.
KTM will spend more time in the garage than out on the road
@KTMARV 1 Nah not really, just a joke. I've got about 25k miles on Duke 125 and 390 and loved every second of it. I miss them every day, despite being let down by them a few times!
@KTMARV 1 vfr800. Suits me as an all weather all year bike, though I'm keeping my options open for what's next
@KTMARV 1 like you said, its life changing. I sold my car and haven't looked back since. Doesn't matter what what weather is like, always smiling.
@KTMARV 1 that sucks, its pretty mild and wet here so the name of the game is GORETEX
Ask Bret Tacks about the KTM quality.....
These are very different bikes overall. 70% of people should go for the Tenere as they won't get use of the sportier KTM which is much more designed for fast off-road use.
Cool that Yamaha went with Brembo breaks. Thanks for discussing front tire feel on road.
The Yamaha suspension is its Achilles heel. Compared to the KTM that has comparable Bembro brakes the KTM WP suspension is head and shoulders better than the Yamaha suspension off road
Dam what a skill set , i didn't think it was possible to make 2 decent bikes sound so god dam boring .
The Yamaha for all day every day usage and over landing to remote area’s. The KTM for that unwipable grin on your face, showing off and riding like a hooligan.
its all rider.. i rode with experienced 790 riders in moab and they could barely hang with me on the T7...
and if they were as competent as you, they would have dusted you? and if they rode t7s, the gap would have much, much wider? so a better rider is better on a ktm and a less skilled rider is better on a ktm?
@@damytzeus bike won't make a difference. if we talk about aggresive and real 'racing' T7 will be left behind becaus suspension will be too soft ;
@@Angry-Lynx lol I see your comments in a lot of Yamaha praising comments... Man, stop, you look like a fanboy. T7 is an amazing bike and the ktm too. BUT, in the segment reliability is key, so the T7 takes the win.
@@eliguaso22 someone just removed my response lol gotta love yt 😂
It wasnt offensive in anyway 🙄
Ktms are awesome but the quality is crap, and if I would take one of these bikes on an adventure... Well, Yamaha all the way. The odds that I would get home again without issues is much greater.
It’s a shame because I love KTMs but they need to up there build quality and longevity.
The problem with the T7 is how the weight is distributed. The low center of gravity on the 790/890 makes all the difference. Both on how it handles and when you pick it up from the ground.
Man, nice bikes, but I bought the new KLR, way less cheese !
seen a video bout the rear caliper on the T7 being swap with the MT700 rear caliper... whats your taughts?
Good video
KTM rally model is really fun thing, I would miss it on any other adv bike now that I tasted it. What's annoying is that after switching TC completely off (I need it for sandy uphills) it comes back with the engine re-start. The other thing that is absolutely awesome on the KTM is suspension - it's maybe not like a dirtbike, but it amazing anyways. Bike is also very robust unlike Japanese. I trashed it to the ground so many times and it still holds w/o any damage - fuel tank helps a lot with the protection. Overall, I love it and would choose it again against T7 or AT.
I didn't notice any Toby Price type riding in here ;) No air @ full noise.
KTM reliability can touch Yamaha’s. Look how long it took them to break into the US motocross and Supercross Arenas. There is no doubt that KTM makes good motors, but like a lot of the European cars the reliability isn’t there. Don’t get me wrong it’s improved, however comparatively speaking it’s still on the very low end. Yes riders that have lots of sponsors and a lot of money can afford to run one and fix it all the time but for us average guys they are a headache. The funny thing is all the fancy features they noted on the KTM as great would make me even more leery about purchasing it. With the extra 3000+ dollars you could easily dial in the Yamaha suspension and brakes, Plus have a ton of money left over to go on it adventure!
Great review but maybe put in some metric numbers for everyone that isn't American or Burmese...
I keep daily riding my 2021 T7 and my Friend with the KTM keeps taking days off while it’s in the shop. I really feel bad for him because he spent so much and there’s no denying he got so much more power BUT he didn’t get what he paid for in reliability. As an older guy and disabled veteran I don’t ride as hard off road so the T7 with a Seat Concepts Seat upgrade, soft bags and Puig Windshield makes this Bike perfect for me.
Awesome bikes no doubt and have ridden both. But not my definition of smaller and lighter. Get me this type of bike less 100 pounds and I’ll pull out my credit card. Great review. Thanks!
@KTMARV 1 thanks. May well be true. I'm taking a hard look at the Honda CRF450RL. Save over 100 pounds. Even the KLR loaded up to the gills at 500 pounds is hard to get up when dropped alone. Thanks for the review.
The T7 is the better longterm, all around bike. Use the price difference to upgrade the springs/suspension of the T7.
Too late we're on to the KTM 890 Adventure models
890 seems like cheap money grab move, released 790 then almost immediately made it obsolete, its the oldest trick in the book ;
Can't wait to buy one T700
Decent comparison but did you really put two bikes head to head without using a control tyre? Poor form.
Great vid and I do, I would still buy Yamaha cause of price of Maintance and parts
T7... can't wait to ride and own one.
Finally decided to pull the trigger on a T7. Put a deposit down today on a red & white one for a Feb or Mar delivery. Have gone back and forth on a 790/890 S and the T7. Can't wait.
For Yamaha value you can upgrade suspension buy extra travel equipment and you still will have some money for gasoline. T7 is cheaper even if you are worry about maintenance. This is simple calculation. If Yamaha will upgrade fuel tank for at least 18L and give some extra HP it will be great bike for travellers.
I wish the Teneré had that tft screen display
KTM é muito trambolho pra terra .já a t7 é outro nível .👍👍
Im going for the Ktm, Thanks
Please make a vs between the Tenere and the Africa Twin, greetings from Nicaragua
Why no one talks about the recall in service in rewiu and the manufacturing defects of the models.
Everyone knows the specifications
KTM-I’ve heard there’s many issues with those bikes.
Great when they start & Not in the shop.
I’ll pick Yamaha reliability & simplicity!
How much did KTM pay for this review? Well times are tough, even Cycle World has had to lower the amount by which they can be bought. I hope it was worth it. There is so much to talk about regarding the raised counter shaft on the Yamaha and how it effects rear wheel traction and suspension. It is really a bold innovative move. Did KTM demand that you not discuss it? I thought so.
ktm is better
@@gbner9991 You're 100% right but magazines should (wait what the fuck s a fort nine. A fort nine video) encourage bold attempts of innovation. So what if it still falls way short of the KTM 790. There are huge gains to be had by testing the Yamaha's rear suspension. It's the beginning of what could turn out to be a great idea.
Unfortunately KTM seems to be charging a premium on their bikes even though they are more and more produced in China and India. That won't end well. A friend of mine is a certified KTM mechanic and the other day he told me that he came across a 6000Kms 790 with corrupted forks (metallurgy problems). That was unheard of for the older bikes. Moreover, KTM now directs mechanics to CHANGE various parts at certain maintenance intervals instead of .....checking them! That says a lot in itself!
Funny you bring up a fork failure issue. Thats exactly why I sold my AT. It pissed me off. I'll take the bet that ktm will have a "bad ending". We should all sell our Iphones because their made in china. Funny ktm is seeing massive increases in growth and continuous stealing of market share from the 4 other manufactured in Japan. What gives with that I wonder.
I noticed you had to go to the R model of the KTM to try and compete with the Tenere!
I agree. The base model ktm 790 versus the basic model T7, no contest. Plus the ktm's have over 90cc more "poke". Reviews always comparing "apples with oranges" are not that accurate I reckon.
I concede on that point the KTM Adventure model is far too road oriented for my preferred riding but so is the Yamaha T700. The Yammy suspension sucks for aggressive off road riding.
The KTM Adventure model and the T700 Yamaha are a much closer match. The Adventure R is considerably better than both the other bikes in all departments.
@@flyingfox7252 even the reliability department, since that is also part of the performance because its an adventure bike
T700👍💪💪
T7 needs aftermarket suspension,remap and full aftermarket exhaust.Than its just perfect off-road weapon.Cheers.
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This one (1) minute owners review sums of the *average Joe* review of the Tenere 700's *_one (1) major weakness:_* czcams.com/video/jRI_t9SqNb0/video.html I.e. its top heavy & overweight for *_off road._*
All I hear is to keep my F800 GS. It's essentially the perfect middle ground between both the T7 and 790 Adventure.
I would sell that one for the sound alone. Otherwise great bike, but sounds terrible
@@odkeky To each their own, I actually love the sound of my bike...or lack of sound really, it's pretty quiet. But if you listen really carefully, you can almost hear ze German screeching out.
I am torn on this topic, the ktms have been at the top of my list since 2005, and ive loved all of the ones 'ive owned , but the quality is going down it seems at the cost of gizmo electronics perhaps or maybe to support their Moto gp ploy? Whateva it is, do i really need all that stuff ??on an "ADVENTURE BIKE"?? the T7 Yamaha is looking pretty good from that point of view