Don't buy a KTM 790 / 890 Adventure r or s until you watch this review
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- My detailed review of things about the KTM 790 Adventure that no other review covers. I cover the good the bad and the ugly so you know what you are really getting if you choose to join the KTM 790 890 Adventure riders.
I cover bike set up, suspension adjustments, the problems with the KTM and the things that make is stand out. I also cover the items that have been covered under warranty including my catastrophic brake failure. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I got the 890 a few weeks ago. after only 400 miles I started having the issue with cold starts and had to start it 5 times one morning. The problem is that it only starts on 1 cyl and and the other one doesnt go until it warms up. Adding a little throttle on start seems to help but definitely an absurd issue for a brand new bike...
I should add that it is the only issue I've had with it and otherwise I absolutely love it!
Honestly, I can't take reviews seriously when they don't cover negative aspects. This type of "pull no punches" review is the best for those considering a purchase and it speaks volumes (good volumes) about a bike.
Huh? He did a pro vs con comparison, my 790R hasn't experienced ANY of the "internet" issues that make it seem like every KTM is a rolling mess. If you have any doubts don't buy it, get a T7 they seem to be decent bikes.
@@jimenagulla9081 are u ironical or serious. :-)?
is it ok for high way riding(70 km per day)? off road once a week
serious
@@jimenagulla9081 what the hell are you talking about?
I have finally decided on the '23 KTM 890 Adventure (non-R) bike. I have studied maybe 12 different reviews of this bike, and several reviewers said something like "Clearly, KTM has been listening (to owners + reviewers) and this model has dozens of tweaks over previous models that prove it. We all owe a huge thank you to Brett Tkacs for speaking 'truth to power'! His fine reputation of being an intelligent and fair reviewer and trainer go a long way to encouraging companies like KTM to make improvements. It all about the details and proof of those details. Thanks again Brett. You da man!
When CZcamsrs say "Don't xxxxxx until you watch this video" it's always clickbait and I feel my time has been wasted.
But when Brett Tkacs says it, I click and never feel my time is wasted. Top stuff 👍
Yep! Most times I cruise past those titles after being suckered in too many times. Brett gives real information that help make those informed decisions we all started watching CZcams for in the first place.
First time viewer. Loved this review: straightforward, to-the-point, all the pros & cons, no fluff, and a joy to watch even at 23+ minutes. Learned much more about the KTM than in other vid's. Thanks, a bunch!!!
Unbiased, detailed, and accurate. This is video is one of the numerous reasons I subscribe to this channel and watched all your stuff when you produced for Motortrek. Hopefully I can get out to one of your classes next year.
Couldn‘t agree more. Excelent summary on this Motorcycle (I own a 2019 Model wit 20k km). I had less issues but all were minor and some covered under Warranty (Display black out and Swingarm replacement due to a small fissure at the rear shock bottom mount).
Totally love this Bike and will soon upgrade to the 890 Rally.
Lol you dont need traction control unless your bike is overpowered.
Looks like quality and reliability are severely sacrificed in favor of performance in this manufacturer's approach.
Bret,
In Australia, we call a vehicle with all of these problems a “lemon”.
I have a dream to be able to ride a bike around Australia on all roads, but KTM over here has a reputation for these kind of niggles and failures that make me want to have a bike with fewer bells and whistles but a lot more reliability.
Thank you for another great video, but your experience confirms my fears of buying a KTM.
Also, Australian OEM dealers want to send both you and the manufacture a bill. So they tell you any excuse to deny a warranty claim, and tell the manufacturer that they did it on warranty.
Max, I am thinking the reasons you are listing about the KTM are why many of your riders in Australia like the Suzuki DR650. VERY simple to operate and fix if needed.
Cheers from the USA!
Yamaha Ténéré 700😃?
Wifey has an Africa Twin and I have a 1290. 40,000 kms off off road in Oz. Don’t believe the naysayers. I broken more BMWs than I can write about.
One of your best videos yet. I'm an off-road racer and Ive tweaked my 790 quite a bit. You hit some nice single track and it makes your videos very good. Thanks for sharing!
Have an 1190 Adv MY 2013 which was the first year edition. Side stand spring and air filter changed on factory recall, plus moisture in one turn signal fixed on warranty. One leaking fork seal at 63 000 km and ball bearing in front wheel at 72 000 km. Sprockets and chain changed twice. The rest is just normal service and now I have happily reached the 80 000 km mark. I go long camping trips ranging from weekend- to several weeks long and preferably on small roads, gravel of various quality and down to bigger (in case I have to turn the beast around ; ) ) trails. Love the bike and with Mitas E07+ it is quite capable for my needs.
On October 30, 2020, 13 KTM executives didn't like this video.
They need to step up, especially on the brakes.
@@jerseyjeeper1575 nah they'll just blame it on the customers like the various gs1200 failures. You'd think with a premium bike like this they'd eat the cost...nope.
The truth often hurts, doesn’t it? Their warranty is a joke. The G-string/thong of the industry. It hardly covers anything.
KTM is an excellent premium bike, the company needs to step up and resolve many of the issues
Software updates adjustments etc
What about the oil leaks? Clutch problems etc etc etc?
Premium, sure. But excellent?
Sure, this bike has a great performance! But this typically KTM related tiny, little issues are the reason, why i decided to buy a Yamaha Tenere 700. Less fancy bullshit, more reliability!
I have a 2020.790r and also have a T7 to ride while my ktm is being repaired, problem solved 👍
These Euro bikes sure have lots of fancy bells and whistles and if they have no problems are great. I will take dead reliable Japanese reliability any day
Not as offroad friendly as the T7, but same goes with me and my trusted V strom.
Yamaha cruiser fan here. I looked the at T700, but I wanted something more off-roady so went with a KTM. That said, all my Yamahas have been bullet-proof, and I'm sure the T700 will be the same. Good choice.
@@neilcollinson6540 I like how you think.
Wow, thanks. "Ready to race part" is true but they never said it's a race to repair shop.
Savage. Well-played.
Lol, true, on the other hand they are being sincere. A true racebike gets serviced (at top tier bikes are pretty much torn apart and re-built) after each race. So ready to race it is, they just omit to tell you that after your Sunday afternoon “race” on the gravel road with your friends you need a 1000 euro service to be ready for the next one 😂
ههههه حلوه
Haha, agree!
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15 years and over 600.000 km on LC8 adv 950… and I guess I'll keep it for another 15 years :)
@kcotte59 over 100 rallies as a photographer, mostly on special stages. It's my main and only job. And 4 rallies racing, including one race of the world championship (Pharaon's rally). At least 50% of my mileage is offroad. But you have to consider some transfer. I don't ride 110km/day, but few times I did up to 2450km in 21h (home to ferry in south of Spain in one shot). Then also my girlfriend is in Germany at the moment, so 850km in one shot each time. I don't have a car, but I have several 950ies. That mileage includes several engines/motorbikes, but still, the first one is alive with original engine, heads and 254.000km. I just don't use it anymore because it's drinking too much oil. Sadly the 2020 is going to ruin my statistics!
The last bike KTM built properly
hell yeah brother ; lets keep the legend alive ;
You are such a rich man to pay for all fuel that this monster had drunk over 600.000km. And I do not belive you ktm break all before 50.000k
@@catnamedhappiness3002 riding the motorbike is basically my job. I’m writing for motorbike magazines sometime, and my main job is to take pictures at international rallies like Dakar. But I do following (anticipating) the riders with my own motorbike.
Glad to see you on your KTM 790 R again Bret! Excellent honest review and I learned a few extra features and tricks about my 790 that I was not aware of, this is what differentiates you from the rest. I'm having a blast on this bike!
Bret,
As always spot on and you just don't throw anyone under the bus. Hat's or helmets off to you for doing the industry right and keeping things professional and excellent. Always enjoy watching your videos and will remember your course for a very very long time. Thanks. -Brad
Good fair review.. had a chuckle at the Friday bike comment..👍 on a more Serious Note:- I owned the 790r for 16 month...it was in the repair shop or broken for over 6 month, required full engine rebuild that KTM would not cover warranty because I rode it off rd🙈. 800miles after rebuild it shit itself again... guess what., required full rebuild again KTM refused warranty because I changed the oil within that 800mile period (as a precaution after build)...your a well know personality with in the Adv rider world and appear to be struggling to get them to cover warranty!! Think what it’s like for “average Joe”. I wrote to KTM Uk & The Factory in Austria... guess what, not a single reply🙈🙈🙈. Eventually sold the bike broken with 2,100 miles on the clock...for £3,500. The bike with extras cost me in the UK £13,000 I have been purchasing & riding KTMs for over 15yrs.... NO more after the way the Dealer & Factory have been treating me...Shame🙈
Oh shit... That sucks!
Hi Bill, I’ve enjoyed a fair few of your videos. As a long term owner of aKTM 990 adv and an admirer of the the brand or at least I was, I think it’s shockingly bad the way KTM have treated you. I’m sorry to hear it. I’ve had no bother with mine in the 12.5 yrs and 60,000+ miles I’ve ridden it and I was considering a 790 as I thought it might be more manageable off road. The electronics on these modern bikes worries me as to their long term reliability but you don’t expect engines to go pop. Certainly not twice!
Recently I test rode a Himalayan and I thought this would do me especially along side the KTM, so early next year I’ll look out for a used one. How do you rate the Himalayan and does it cope with the places you ride in?
I look forward to seeing more videos of your off road antics, ride safe.
Andy Teague
Hi Andy
Thanks for your kind words....
Bikes:- as far as reliability goes the Yamaha T7 is the best bike in its class... I have 5 mates that have purchased them and I have ridden it...if you ride it hard you will have to spend some money on the suspension, to date, none of my friends have had any mechanical problems 👌
The wee Himalayan:-
If you treat it for what it is, it’s a super cheap all rounder and will tackle most things... in its own industrial ‘plodding’ way...it obviously lacks mph on the rd/highway but if you learn to recalibrate your brain to enjoy the simpler pleasures of biking it’s a hoot...👍🏴🥃
@@BillCairns Cheers Bill 🥃
How many sales did they loose long term ..Dumb.
You have a Friday bike, I've had a "sneeze" bike; that's when a part is missing due to a bike passing by a sneezing worker on the assembly line.
My Tiger 800 came without an air filter. Found out the hard way after riding in dusty conditions. Engine rebuild under warranty but took 5 weeks. And the irony is that I had to pay for the new air filter, amongst other things!
WTAF!
Wow. That is completely unacceptable, holy shit.
Great review as always! One question if I may. I’m about to pull the trigger on a 890 but can’t seem to make my mind up on whether to get the standard version or the R. I ride a lot of gravel and sand .. How is does the suspension perform on the R vs the standard ? Is it so much better that I will regret not getting the R version ? Thanks and looking forward to your next vid.
I'm glad you added up the on-the-road weight. I'm continually trying to compare based on what's needed for bar work based on peoples experience.
After my GSA burned up in the Oregon fires, insurance gave me just enough to get a T7 - I feel even better now having made that choice! But seriously, always so much depth and good, succinct information very well presented every time - much thanks for all you do!
Great review Bret 👏🏻You did some great coverage of the issues you have experienced here. Nice. I try to do the same, film everything, it makes a huge difference, but I have not have so many issues with my bike yet. I damn, i really like this bike. Cheers, and stay safe 🔥🇳🇴
That level of brake failure after low miles is 100% unacceptable. Should be a deal breaker IMO.
Yeah, what happens if your brakes snap off in a less controlled environment than a class? That's the kind of thing that could get you killed.
It's concerning that both rotors came loose. Seems recall-tier to me.
I have no time for a bike where in the back of my mind I know it could leave me stranded at any time. .
There is a reason why those KTM 790 ADV depreciate like a rock. ;)
yeah, ktm fan personally, but that crap just shouldnt happen, if there is one thing that should be overbuilt its the brakes ;
Great video! It is very refreshing to see someone producing such honest and candid content that relates to the actual ownership and use of a machine rather than simply regurgitating tech specs and features from magazines.
Best and most detailed bike review I have seen on CZcams. Really excellent. Anyone considering this motorcycle should watch this review!
Absolutely spot on with this review, I’ve had similar issues and done more or less the same fixes 👍🏽
Hi Dude ! Very good content ! Was refreshing to watch ! You know your stuff and I like how you bring it across ! Well done !!
What a great review Bret, this should be used as a benchmark for all the press when they review latest models. No BS, just plain and simple language and let the consumer decide and choose. Thank you very much for sharing, keep it up, you're doing great, as always!! 👍👍
thanks for the very honest and detailed review bret,always watching your videos here in the Philippines!👍👍👍
Great review Bret. I quite fancy a 790/890r but think I will wait until all of the beta testing is done by others!
Thanks Bret for this very objective and well presented review.
Thanks for a great review - it's so important to hear about the down sides that we won't necessarily find on a two-hour test ride 👍
Really good advice around getting warranty and repairs. It's really important to try and get all the information (like every single little detail), what's the weather like? was the bike warm or cold? Have I just refueled?
Because it's very rare to get warranty coverage if the dealer can't replicate the issue themselves.
Good luck out there
Thanks for the warnings! This is the kind of stuff I need to see!
Thanks for an honest review! I like it!
Honest Review , Thorough Thank you, One thing you mention that is a never discussed is the radiant heat the rider receives. Moving up to larger capacity bikes this is a real thing. Its a factor I pay attention to and wont buy a bike unless I demo it in Summer. Subscribed...
High quality, authentic and truthful content. Thank you!
Brake failure of that magnitude is egregious. If you market a bike as offroad capable there is no excuse for something like that. Highly, highly dangerous, and also totally outside the ethos of long-term reliability if you're taking these bikes places where you can't call AAA to flatbed you home. I cannot believe the amount of play when you wiggled those by hand.
I would save my money and buy a reliable bike like the Yamaha 700.
I had the same problem with the front disc rotors on my Tiger 800! A local mechanic suggested to change the rivets at a machine shop. Did that and now they are good as new! I thought i would never see that on a new bike!
Love this review, very straight to the point. One question: how did you manage your low and high speed compr. shock settings?
I suppose your shock preload is set to work properly on a 30% sag (that if I’m not wrong is 72mm in this bike) and your tip about rebound is very useful, but what about compression?
Thank you man!
Great video, very informative. Thanks for taking the time to talk about the things that are not already listed in the manufacturers brochure. Considering the 890, on the fence between that and the Honda. Well done sir, you’ve earned yourself a subscriber. Looking forward to seeing what other content you have out there.
Reviews without ownership and without criticism are just commercials!
I have a 790 R and the instructions on checking the chain tension are really confusing - I would love a quick video on how to properly check the chain tension
It’s same process like any other motorbike.
@@andre899 I have had only one other bike - a KLR 650 and, at least according to the manual, it is completely different on how to check the tension - On the KLR you simply measure the distance of the chain from the arm - the KTM manual talks about pushing up the chain and measuring the slack on the high and low end - maybe I am stupid, but I don't get it - and I have searched this on line and several other KTM owners are confused by this manual as well - and to date, I have not seen a simplified explanation.
@@onesharpboradhead check the total chain travel from the highest position to the lowest pushing up and down on the chain. not just down, not just up. both directions. one way to make absolutely sure when you're done setting is to just unbolt the shock real quick and just move the wheel and swingarm thru its travel arc. you can check the chain at various positions that way. it's a good idea to do this on any new motorcycle cause manuals sometimes specify settings that are a bit on the tight end.
Thanks for that input! Always great to hear first hand knowledge. Didn’t know about the brake issues. When time comes to buy, loaded with more intel. Thanks again
I love how you indexed all the points of this very comprehensive and clear review. Outstanding job! I suscribe
Many thanks to share real experiences! Everyone knows that other manufactures/motorcylces having issues too. This is not related to a particular manufacturer. It depends even on the model itself. But an issue on the breaks is more seriously and should be handled with sensibility by KTM. Unfortunately, even in respect of the quality and pricerange of the motorcylces, KTM always tries to avoid to take over any responsibility. This is what KTM has definately to change. The feedback to KTM is really important for improvements.
Nice to see an informative, objective, unbiased and detailed walkthrough from a knowledgable rider who has been using the bike for it’s intended purpose. Very well done, thanks Bret.
Sycophant is your surname, I guess. ;) This is neither a completely unbiased nor objective review.
Wow, what an excellent video. Everything is too the point, great video and audio, and it's so comprehensive. Very well done.
Thx Bret good review - I've read the ABS reset is actually an EU regulatory requirement to insure new riders never are on pavement with ABS turned off.
The rear rotor did the same thing on my 2020 790. I was able to get it covered by warranty as it damaged the caliber bracket. I've also have issues here and there with curse not staying engaged, normally it will be fine the next day. Glad to know my is not the only one that takes three tries to start in the mornings! Very annoying
Otherwise, I'm REALLY loving the bike. I had a Versys 650, and Concours 14 before it and it is by far my favorite motorcycle.
The only thing I'd like to add to this video is that you should make sure to get a skid plate that bolts onto the foot peg brackets. The foot peg bracket on the right side bolts to the engine and people have reports that if they hit that peg pretty hard on something. It rips the bolt off the engine and takes a chunk with it.... The really good skid plates will bolt up to that bracket to keep it from moving.
that stupid footpeg design is my biggest complaint. clutches can be worked around but man crashes are gonna happen especially offroad.
Fair & honest review. My experiences: I do not have the same exp with the abs/tc settings, but a little different. I ride off-road in rally mode, off-road throttle & off-road abs. If I stall or kill, it always starts up as set. However, if i turn the key off, 9x out of 10 it starts off as set, the other it starts up with rally throttle, which I really don't like, but still with off-road abs. Your cruise control and not starting when in gear is due to the clutch switch. I managed to make mine work intermittently, but loosening the screws on the switch. Replaced under warranty, all fixed. Keep it up. I'm a big fan of your videos!
The more I see of this guy the more I like him. Straight and to the point, and great presentation.
I've seen you on a few different bikes as well, how about a quick history of what you've ridden and how you arrived at your current bike(s). Do you still have the old GS?
Great, honest review Bret! Sorry to hear about the problems you have had. Mine has been flawless for over 13k miles. I just got back from my second trip to Death Valley on it and it got abused in deep sand, ultra deep powder and endless rock and it just kept going. This may be the finest motorcycle I have ever owned and I've had quite a few. I think the issue with the software is due to US lawyers, not KTM.
Agreed regarding the ABS reset.
Awesome job Bret. Love your work!
As always Brett, your clear, concise presentation of information and advice is much appreciated. My790R must be a 'Wednesday' :) Hope that your 'Friday' gets sorted soon and we get to watch more of your brilliant content on the 790!
Thanks for the honest review! I’m sorry to hear that you are having issues!😕
I nearly bought a KTM 1090 or 1290 over a 1250 but decided to stick with BMW after hearing a lot of reports about rear cylinder/exhaust heat. Living in a hot climate I decided it could be a problem.
I hope you get you 790 sorted and that you can start fully enjoying it again! I’m sure you will!
Got fed up with KTM issues leaving me stranded a few times, walking home or calling my wife for a ride, went back to Yamaha no more issues. I you want to go fast buy a KTM, if you want to far buy a Japanese bike!
My Yamaha FJ-09 broke and it sat at the dealer for 3 months waiting for parts. I'm not anti-Yamaha, but I don't hold them in any special regard.
Two Hondas and two Suzukis with no issues; so far my Yamaha is following suit.
I was in love with the KTM Super Adventure 1290 R. Then I checked out the KTM warranty vs. Honda. I now ride an Africa Twin.
some ppl prefer wife, others prefer lover. One prefer stability, other excitement and fun.
@@Angry-Lynx Sure, but if I'm 300 miles from home and 25 miles from the nearest town with a 550lb motorcycle, that thing REALLY needs to start when I break camp in the morning! KTM looks great if you're just knocking around your town or for a same-day out and back with friends.
Great video. I love how capable this bike is on and off road.
Agreed!
This is how to make a motorcycle review…
Informative and honest born from experience….Respect dude.
I’ve just bought an 890 s….
Thank you Bret for this really thorough review, did they fix any if these glitches on the 890R/RRally?!
You, sir, have the patience of Job. I think I'll stick with my GS Rallye and KTM 690. Neither is a "unicorn" but together they cover off most of my riding needs. Great review, effortlessly delivered, as always.
Wow - same bikes here as well. My GS a 2012 and the 690 a 2019. Both have been stellar and I enjoy the experience of both.
Thats frustrating on the ABS! i have the 2019 and I do NOT have that problem and it is a US model.
I like the tip for drilling out the front sprocket cover! I'll definatly apply that tip. as far as any of your other problems, i have had none. I really think you did get a Friday lol! Love your vids, keep them coming.
I remember hearing people complain about about ABS & ride mode resets on reviews,Revzilla review complained. I have a 2020 R, same as you, ABS stays were I set it, no reset problems for ABS or ride mode on mine
Great video best I've seen to date! Awesome tips at the end for warrenty help. Hoping some of things changes were made on the 890. I have a Rally reserved. Hope it augments my EXC bikes well fof longer rides like BDRs. New subscriber!
Thanks for sharing Bret, I hope you get this all sorted soon and the bike becomes all that you have been hoping for. Cheers Scott
Nice review Brett! The attention to detail on the 790s/r is indeed stellar. Three things missed in all reviews including this one; First, brake pedal thickness is offset and and can be flipped 180o quickly by removing one bolt. I like the thick side up-makes it easier to apply the brake while standing. Next, unlike most bikes the KTM includes a steering damper that greatly helps front end twitch in rocks, sand and deceleration from high speed. Finally, although not necessary, there's an embossed "sag" mark on the left rear side pannel that provides an easy reference point for setting ride height. A few other nice details other reviewers have noted are the easy access air cleaner, battery and fuse box, adjustable seat height, windscreen, clutch and front brake levers and of course the tubeless wheels are the icing on the cake. Speaking of wheels, most people seem to focus on the convenience of no tubes but that's only part of the story. Inner tubes not only add unsprung weight and make roadside flat repair a pain, but the gyroscoping weight increase of tubes noticably effects direction changes, ie handling. If you don't believe it, stuff a tube in the front wheel of your 790 and take it for a spin! I've ridden my 790s for nearly a year with the only issue being a slight pulsing in the front brake while braking at very slow speeds. Im keeping an eye on that. I recently rode the MABDR and 1600 miles of the TAT and the bike was stellar. Of the 20 plus bikes i've had over the years this is by far the most ridable and comfortable (next to my 990 adv and F800gs). By comparrison the Africa Twin is a nice street bike but doesn't come close to matching the off road capabilities of the 790-and routine mainenance is a nightmare (try getting to the battery on the honda). Now the T7 is another story. If it was available a year ago it would have been a tough choice between it and the KTM.
The 'issue' with the ABS resetting seems to be related to some EU safety legislation.
Yes, it's mandatory here in the EU that the ABS is activated when you start your motorcycle. :/
@@nERDANZIEHUNG Indeed. I have a Triumph Tiger, and it does the same thing.
The only way to fix is a dongle. It's an add-on plug that will disable ABS even when turning back on, but it's hardware you have to add/buy.
exactly, mandatory in the EU for bikes that want to be roadlegal.
ABS hast to turn on, when you start the vehicle,.
To combat this, most serious offroad riders, have a little "dongle thingy" that they plug in, when riding offroad, that turns off the ABS.
@@eberbacher007 One could pull the fuse as well, but the dongle sounds like a better idea because it avoids wear on the fuse holder.
Another great video Bret, Thanks for doing what you do!
Wow. This guy is actually putting out an understandable showcase. I figured by the title you would be full of it, but I retract that thought completely. Thank you sir, great job
Great video as always. Welcome to the KTM early adopter club! I am in the same boat with my 790 although mine has less miles and less issues so far. It will take KTM a few years so sort these bikes out. Normal for them, remember the early 950's? Interestingly, I don't have the abs reset issue you have. That should be a firmware update. Thanks for making this content and being honest, we appreciate you.
Great job Bret. I have owned several KTM’s in varying models and have learned they can be quite quirky for lack of a better word. I’ve been waiting to pull the trigger on the KTM adventure and I’m hoping that they’ve learned from the 790 and have made appropriate changes on the 890. It reminds me of the days of the KTM 950 and the issues we were having and then came along the 990. Most of the issues rectified but not all of them. Those of us that had the 950 suffered a bit unfortunately. That being said those were two incredible machines in the end. KTM is always trying to improve their machine annually so it seems they are utilizing the consumers as the R&D team which is unfortunate for the owners of the earlier model year machines. This is absolutely a non-professional opinion just a personal observation with my experience with KTM. Can’t thank you enough every time I watch your videos I learn something relevant to my questions and needs
On that note the Yamaha tenere 700 is also looking pretty sexy and we all know about Yamaha reliability. Ride a couple years that KTM work out quirks and back to runnin orange.
Excellent video. It’s the first of yours I’ve watched and was well worth my time.
Interesting what you said about the screen, I’ve seen a lot of vids that talk about turbulence from the standard R screen. I plan on changing my enduro bike for an adventure bike after Christmas, this one is definitely in pole position.
Fantastic review. You are one of my favorites. So sorry about those issues. I had a 2005 KTM Adventure that I put 50k hard miles on. It was reliable. Same for my KTM 1190R that I rode to the Arctic Circle and Tuktoyaktuk plus the MABDR on a 16K mile trip. My 2019 KTM 790R is been reliable for 14k miles. My ABS, TC and ride modes always stay on my last setting. I never have to re-set. Not sure what changes were made to the electronics from 2019 to 2020. Hope everything gets resolved for you. Keep us posted...
Thank you Bret, you are truly doing a great job here. Will be really helpful for a lot of people. 👍🏻 PS: next time, maybe, just buy an Honda or a Yamaha😉
ABS and Brake failure is a deal breaker for me. Lots of eye candy with the KTMs. Reliability is of utmost importance. Thanks for the honest review. Hello T7!
Good choice going with the T7.
Brilliant thorough honest review - let's hope KTM address the issues!
It's not KTM that fooked up with the ABS turning back on automatically, it's government regulation. The part that KTM failed on is that they made it reset with the starter button. My Guzzi V85TT let's met turn of ABS and traction control as well, reset is done when the ignition key is turned to of and back on. Meaning I can use the killswitch to turn of the bike for a short moment, restart the bike and the ABS setting is still the way I set it before.
You again 😁
Bret! great to see more videos from you!
Great video as usual, it was this video that was the tipping point for me to actually purchase the 890R that now resides in my garage, and I could not be any happier so far. I bought the extended warranty, and if stuff goes wrong it will be fixed. But right now, I can honestly say the 890R is like cheating when off road, simply outstanding on the pavement and the overall fit and finish is excellent. A huge, and I mean huge upgrade form my Africa Twin. Thanks Brett!
Get a ktm 250 xcw dirt bike .. that is where the real fun awaits you.. cheers!
What year Africa twin are you referring to?
@@ridetillidieharleyyamaha4063 You might consider the standard 2023 KTM 890 Adventure. 33" seat height, way better for on-road and still awesome for 95 percent of us when we go on off-road romps.
Great review, as all from you :-) I just bought an 890R to replace my trusty GS 1200 ADV and the only issue I had was the screen turning black on me during my first trip :-) so far so good at mere 1800 kms mileage (1100 miles). Still I put a lot of gadgets on it, lower and upper crash protection from TT (an extra support of the original skid plate solves its problem IMHO, Roxy risers (I’m 196 cm tall - 6ft 5’), had the seat redone (4 cm taller and wider for touring), Garmin XT in a TT lockable mount, extra led spotlights. A completely different story than my GS, but love it right now, especially for how it handles off-road. Keep the good job here on YT, best regards from Poland.
Great review. It's important to know the possible problems it could have. Despite being brand new, you use it in harsh conditions so it's more susceptible to failures. This is the kind of review I would like to see for the T7.
Nice video. I had an early 790r and did not have any real issues with it. Great light adventure bike that does well off road. Ultimately I sold it because even a light adventure bike is heavy. Currently have a Husky FE 501s which is another class of bike but am enjoying the 300lb weight and simplicity.
yes.... now go get a 220lb 2 stroke KTM 250 xcw and have some real fun.. it glides over any nasty stuff... it will make you an A rider...
Been waiting for this 🙌🏼
Now that's a real world review, thumbs up. I have had mine for 15 months and luckily no problems accept some "key errors". I am afraid of a front brake lever malfunction and am waiting for the KTM recall. Mine remembers the settings in Rally Mode.
Thank you for an Informative and deep review. Need to check my brakes regularly)
I think the ABS coming on always is because of law issues. ABS is not mandatory on road so they have to put in on by default...
Is there no one accessable within KTM to get an honest response about these items? Why do we have to stand stand around and have a "guess fest" about how and why the traction control works, (or not) as it does? I really want to buy one of these and am waiting for the 890 but this great discussion is really giving information that is making me reconsider...
How in this day and age do brake rotor bolts loosen, and destroy the caliper on a new bike - and not have it quickly taken care of as a warranty issue!!
I'm sorry for your troubles Brett, but, as posited, by it happening to you with your access to the KTM "public", perhaps KTM will take notice and take action... and if wishes were fishes, we'd all be well fed!
Hi Brett, I love my 790R! Great bike, I haven't had really any issues with but only have 6,500 miles, how do you reset the service light? Mines on but I don't need a service yet, thanks for your excellent review!
Finally an honest review, well done Brett!! KTM is not on its own here though, the lack of response from most bike dealers these days when you mention he word 'warranty' is nothing short of criminal. While I like the KTM product, it just lacks too much polish for me - I will stay with my F800GSA instead.
Rented a 790 Adventure R a few weeks back for 5-days to compare to my 1200GS. Spent the past 2 weeks debating between 2020 790 and 2021 890, I think you just convinced me to wait! Hopefully we'll have them before the wife and I join your training ride we signed up for next summer. Watching your skid plate video and remembering my last BDR ride makes me want to save the GS for long trips with less technical off-road! Thanks for another GREAT video Bret.
If you downsize from a GS, the 890 will sure be a lighter bike. However if you upsize from an enduro 350 the 790 will be a big beast. If you ride single track without buddies and you drop it, believe me you’ll not looking for an 890 with an additional 9 kg. Sure the additional torque will be welcome but a smaller front sprocket might be an alternative.
Depending on your riding style, the 890 might be a better bike. Myself, after a lot of 790 riding is not envy of 890 owners.
All the stuff riders care about and none of the stuff we don't. Thanks, Bret. I can go stare at a spec sheet on any manufacturer's website.
Brad Landers so true👍🏻
Exceptional comprehensive "real-use" review, thank you from Australia Bret TKacs
Great info as always Bret. Thinking about getting into adv riding by selling my HD and getting the 1290r( ride mostly with my wife). I’d appreciate your opinion on this. Also looking into going to Oregon for one of your courses(rookie) unless you’ll have one in Ca. Thanks for the knowlege👊🏼
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"Great motorcycle when it's running well..." LOL. I appreciate your honesty, and I'll have you know other people have been honest about the brand with me too. I love the performance, the price is okay, but I'm still on the fence because of reliability and durability. I'll wait until next year.
There is a reason why those bikes depreciate like a rock. :)
Solid review Bret! In Rally mode, my US 790R holds my ABS settings. I've been down steep loose hills where I forgot to turn ABS off and it chages the whole situation. That would tick me off too. Hope they figure that out for you. I couldn't get my quick settings to work, now I know why.
I havent watched too many motorcycle riders and reviewers that know as much about bikes and ATV riding as Bret. I was lucky to here him lecture at the bike show in Philadelpia last year and he knows what he is talking about. He also is probably a bit harder on a bike than most riders. Excellent review.
My experiance tought me that japanese bikes are more reliable,good rewiev
WOW. That's a HUGE number of issues. No way would I buy one of them.
Great review! Thx! I've put 20,000 km on a '19 KTM Super Duke GT with zero issues, so hope the 790R hiccups get resolved. The brake rotor "rivets" are concerning indeed. On another note, I understand that you have significant saddle time experience with the BMW R1200/1250GS. Any chance you could provide a similar summary of your take on the bikes? I've got my eye on the R1250GS HP. Great video! 😉👍
I just find this video and man, you are so essential on YT nowadays.
Probably a great bike, but I do not have the time to have my bike in the workshop all the time when the riding season is only 8months. Glad I have my T7. KTM do have some big reliability issues.....
@Johnny yes buddy