Yamaha Ténéré 700 World Raid vs Standard T7: Which Is Better?
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When you low side at 60mph on a gravel road - you would rather be on the cheapest one eh!
hahaha
The original T7 it is. Less weight, less electronics, less complications, easier to repair. Tank range? show me the rider that can't reach a gas station when travelling unless you do real world travels in extreme remote locations. Suspension, same as the fuel tank issue. 90% of people that buy this bike will never reach the limit of the stock suspension. If you want a KTM get one, but please don't compare apples and oranges . I came from a 1250 GS loaded with electronics and there is a reason why I go back to simplicity. The stock T7 will get you anywhere you want to go as is, unless you wanna do rock climbing then change the suspension. Safe riding/travels to all , Cheers.
Without 400 k + range you wouldn’t be going very far in Australia. If your predominantly riding roads in Europe then yeah the Standard T7 would do but the suspension is easily used up in the bush with any half decent rider riding this bike like it is supposed to be ridden. This is for dirt bikers not tourists. It is for those who need the performance and range not to mention peace of mind reliability. Why spend an extra 4K on a standard T7 when you can get a better factory bike to begin with, for a little more, carries the fuel lower and has the extra travel and clearance. Add the better seat, foot pegs, dash and it’s a no brainer. My only gripe is the extra $$$ Yamaha Australia charges us over the US and Europe. Only bike better would be the World Rally that we miss out on.
Just got my hands on the World Raid here in Norway... do not regret it at all, well worth the wait. Cheers
i know it's been a year sinced you've had the bike, but can you tell me why does it have 2 gas caps ??
@@vothanhtrong4453 to fill up both tanks, they have a connection, but when you fill you need to fill them both
The Tenere 700 is so FUN to ride off road and just as fun on road. Yamaha knocked it out of the park with this model. If you are on a waiting list like I was from 6 months...keep on it, I am telling you it was worth the wait.
Best review of the T7 WR to date! I've had my standard T7 for almost 2 years now - fitted Motoz tyres, Barkbusters, engine guard, low crash bars, tail tidy, rack and new can... yes I'd like more fuel range and plan to update the suspension although I've never bottomed out the bike - World Raid version looks great for dirt road touring but I'll be keeping my T7 Big Dirt Bike :-)
Good review in terms of comparing the two bikes
I think I’ll go with the standard T7, in the EU it’s about 2500€ cheaper and the fact that you still have to(in my opinion)upgrade important things like crashbars, barkbusters, bigger engine guard that also covers the rear shock mount, high exhaust that’s less keen to damage the frame when you drop and maybe stiffer fork springs, I don’t see any reasonable benefit with upgrading to the world raid. Only if you plan to keep it stock, then I would definitely go for the world raid.
But I would rather spend 3,5K get all the aftermarket protection, get the Öhlins and even throw in an Acerbis Rally Tank
Plus it’s more fun upgrading the bike yourself, in my opinion at least..
My thoughts exactly, I have priced out a T7 with all the protection upgrades, thicker rally seat, rear aluminum luggage box, etc. and have just reached the base price of a World Raid. I highly doubt I will ever need that .8" of extra shock travel and need to stop and stretch every 200 miles or so anyway, so gas stops are not an issue... just wish they offered Cruise Control but a simple throttle friction add-on or (~€850) a McCruise unit will work fine..
I'm 4'10" and struggled to mount my World Rally, until I modified my bike to incorporate a telescopic ladder into the pannier frame.
Anyone made a petition for yamaha to bring wr edition to the USA. I would definitely buy it. Bigger fuel tank 6 gallon(300mile range) one tank on each side and it is lower. The seat is improved. Much better suspension than the regular t7. Better lcd screen.
Thanks for the great comparison video. I'm sold on the additional advantages of the World Raid. Looking forward to getting this bike in California!
They fixed all the things that kept me from grabbing the T7. The increased fuel capacity and range in particular. I just wonder when and if it will be sold in the USA. This may be my next bike for sure.
I own the WR and couldnt be happier. Ive been riding for 20+ years, had 40+ bikes, riden probably about a thousand bikes throughout the years, was a professional test driver and development engineer for the motorcycle world, and yet i will say: the t7wr might just be the best bike ive ever riden. Def the best bike ive ever owned. And the range is insane. Yamaha claims a fuel consumption of about 4.2L/100, but i always average my bike at about 3.6l/100. Ive done some serious 600km sprints on my WR without having to fill it up, its crazy ecenomical. If you get the chance to grab one, dont hesitate, you wont be dissapointed
Fuel levels sound deliberate to me, Yamaha knew you would compare and didn’t want to WR to have any negative comments on weight!
Hope they sell it in the USA.
Fuel capacity, new tech and better suspension would be great.
I've been looking around at the mid range adventure bikes a lot, and the Tenere is leading the charge so far. Mostly because I expect it to be more reliable long term than other bikes in that price range.
I just love your content brother... by far the best explanation & to the point content, with some beautiful pictures of bikes(I take ss of all)..🏍
Keep it up..🖤
I'm so bitter about the WR not coming to America lol... I want one sooooo bad that I might just hold off on getting the T7 base until Yamaha inevitably plays the old switcheroo and starts sending them west. I know it's only a matter of time..... At least I hope.
I was mad too. But going from a GSA to a T7. The 150lbs weight saving is partly why I'm downsizing
@@matthewjames4268 I buckled and bought a T7 a couple weeks ago. Ironically enough, my dream bike is the AT. I'll be working up to that in the future. Funny that you're working in the opposite direction though I understand why.
Doesn’t matter if the T7 WR is coming to the USA or not…. You can’t find a “base” T7 anywhere in the US to begin with..
@@BERZERKERSV4 I found one 2 weeks ago in TX. Literally a couple days after I took order of it, I got a call from a location in Oklahoma and another from a TX dealer saying they had one shipping and I was the first in line. You have to be persistent and proactive if you REALLY want a brand new one.
Yamaha is not seeing a cent of my money until the Raid and/or Extreme hits the US market.
BTW, I'll be purchasing two Yamaha. 😊
The T7 was, when launched, a fantastic enduro-ADV bike.
Very capable. A real contender.
The suspension geometry was/is clever and well thought out.
And it has the CP2 engine.
Also,it is a Yamaha, with all the quality associated with the brand.
A lot was done right.
However… It seems they stoped short, in the process.
It baffles me that, with the new T7 WR, Yamaha couldn’t add:
1. Cruise control
2. Tubelessssssss bloody tires
3. Heated grips
It is basically just a more expensive, heavier bike, with a suspension upgrade and some more fuel capacity.
For a significant price mark up 🤨
All the upgrades in suspension I’ve done already anyway, as we all have to do. Suspension is a thing that has to be suited specifically to the rider.
What does the new T7 WR _really_ offer at this price point other than fuel capacity?
My opinion is that this is a really poor attempt. And so below my expectations of Yamaha, who actually created the first T7.
And ohlins expensive repair .... 😑
I respectfully disagree with your comment. I understand you want all the frills, heated grips ,etc they're great and all but I think they're going after a different rider than you. Trying to offer the bare minimum in accessories that just take a beating and eventually fail and cost money to fix. The changes they did make are for performance on dirt basically. I think this WR is the knariest, most cost effective, lowest cost of ownership, extremely dependable adventure bike that's definitely slanted towards the off-road side of adventure bikes on the market. Yes it would be nice to have all the frills but it all adds to weight and price and less reliability. There are bikes with all those options and their great also but most of them are more slanted to the street riding side of adventure riding. If I would be far off road somewhere it would piss me off to breakdown due to computer glitch in my ride mode selector switch or my heated grips wiring melting some component, leaving me stranded somewhere inaccessible. This bike is very capable but definitely meant more for the true dirt adventurer IMHO. You might like the Aprilia , which is a great bike also with the frills you like, and great dirt capabilities.
No WRs sent to the US, almost zero base T7s available at the moment in Texas, want to purchase two.
🤔
The KTM 890 Adventure is looking better.
Thanks for pushing me to check out KTM. Going to the KTM dealer today to ride the 890A.
No worries Yamaha, ignore your US customers, they'll go away! 👍
Ironically all the whining about wanting tubeless...anyone I know that ride off road wants tubes
Very good rewiev! Cracking bike and done about 200km since friday on my new 2022 t7😀😀
Like your review thanks, debating a purchase however like you I was fortunate to go to Wales and do the Yamaha experience three weeks ago and rode the standard and World Raid back to back. I thought the suspension difference was amazing and didn't notice the difference in size and was chasing some smaller enduro bikes on the world raid with a massive grin on my face. A standard with the upgraded suspension may well be the perfect solution for purely off road but the cost would then be comparable and you loose the other benefits for on road!! Oh and definitely recommend the Tenere experience in Wales, a great two days.
Always a good review .
Thanks MotoBob.
My pleasure! Thanks for the support 🍻
Great review as always. I don’t suppose they have upgraded the spokes to stainless steel on the latest versions? They rust something terrible in the UK.
👍👍👍👍👍👍 The drone work is pretty COOL ! 😃😃👍👍
Yamaha Ténéré Standard T7, the BEST
Really good comparison! I will go (in next few months) for regular tenere 700. In a short rider. The size…it makes the difference for me.
You can get the lower seat on the WR too, and there is apparently a lowering kit of some sort. I spent three days on an adventure bike safari and there was this quite small lady riding a WR, with the lower seat and lowering kit.
I bought the T-7 Standard. Love it 😊
I have tries both today. And i felt clearly more confortable with the world raid. And im not a rider of big bikes, so i did not expect that. But omg WR just runs amazing.
Just picked up a T7 brand new for £8800 planning on doing a ktech suspension upgrade after it's run in , I'd sacrificed the extra range and ground clearance for the money I've saved , so I can get the bike exactly as I want it 200 miles of rang on a tank is ample, can't wait to get the modifications started !
Love my T7 Standard... Almost owned it coming 2 years and my mileage nearly 80k yet I don't have any problem with this bike.. Still using the same stock Chain and Sprocket.. Tires 2x changed.. Battery can last me only for 1 year and 10 months.. But just changed it recently... No electronics issues or mechanicals.. Daily Grinding... Thanks Yamaha
Great to hear you are not having any problems. I am thinking of buying the T7 Standard in the Spring of 2023. If the Word Raid version was available in the USA I would spend the extra money for it
80ks from stock chain and sprockets...no way
I had a 2021 890r and have swapped for a 22WR, why? better slow speed torque, more wind protection on a long ride and no compromise in off road riding. the £2k for the suspension is the difference, but the engine and reliability is the star of the show
hello, great review!
May I ask though why, when you did compare pricing outside of Yamaha, you picked the KTM 890 but not the Aprilia Tuareg which sits in the same segment (below 700cc)?
The extra fuel capacity makes the bike around 5 kg heavier, which means, they added about 10 kg to the bike, for the bigger fuel tanks (can not imagine it comes from the suspension)? Acerbis 22 liter plastic tank is 1,2 kg lighter than stock tank.
I'd pick the Yamaha for the legendary reliability out in the sticks.
Which one though?
There both yamaha
Lmao they’re both yamahas bruh
And to nitpick…
A welded rear subframe 🙄👎🏼
The same low welded exhaust hanger 🙄👎🏼
Id love me either but definitely the world raid if it came to my country... Whic it apparently doesn't
The thing I like about the World Raid version is her Samsung like TFT panel.
OMG....Fortnine's video about moto journalism is the perfect description of this video =))))))))))
I loved the Raid & was going to buy one when they were released. unfortunately the seat was far too high & my circumstances changed & I needed a more road biased bike for long distance to see my family so I went with a 2020 Africa Twin AS instead. I’m very happy with it but the tech is just ridiculous & unnecessary. Would still love a Raid for off road & shorter distance though… such a good looking bike
AT MY 60 YEARS OF AGE AND 1 METER, 70 CENTERMETERS, (5 FOOT, 7 INCHES) HEIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO PICK. I WANT THE WORLD RALLY VERSION. I CURRENTLY HAVE A K.T.M. 690 ENDURO R MOTORCYCLE (2012 MODEL) I BOUGHT BRAND NEW AND HAS 103,000 KILOMETERS ON IT. IT'S 65 KILOS LIGHTER THAN THE STANDARD YAMAHA TENERE 700 MOTORCYCLE SO THE TALL SEAT HEIGHT IS NO REAL ISSUE, BUT AT 220 KILOS FOR THE WORLD RALLY VERSION I DON'T KNOW. I LIVE IN COSTA RICA SO I CAN'T AVOID GOING OFF ROAD.
Love the call from Pol Tarres 😂😂
I test rode a World Raid on the road and was at the limit on getting a foot to the ground at junctions (only little legs). I'm picking up the standard T7 tomorrow, much more comfortable seat height, and just looks slimmer and more manageable (15 odd Kilos is alot) Would only be doing very light off road work, so I'm sure the suspension will be adequate. For under £10k this bike is great value, at £11.5k hmmm not so much.
Picked up my standard Tenere today, and I can confirm I made the right decision, it's a much more manageable height / weight. In fact it's bloody brilliant !!
Hi Motobob, Do you have any feedback on seat comfort for those long distance rides.
Great review with everything we need to know 🙂
I test rode one last week and can agree with you about it being a fun bike. I'm no expert whatsoever but I started looking for an adventure bike late summer last year and initially ruled out the T7 as I had heard it was more off road focused, clutch needs a mod etc, etc. So far I have test ridden the 800 DE, 800 RE more out of curiosity, Tuareg 660 (loved that bike), Honda Transalp and the BMW F850 GS Adventure, all great bikes but just didn't do it for me. Pulls like a train but vibes at 70, Meh, Great if I don't mind waiting months for spares, OK..., heavy.
I'm 185cm and was surprised at how high it felt, balls of my feet on the ground - I would need to put on weight to compress the springs more? 🤔. The bike just seemed to have a bit of playfulness to it that some of the other bikes were lacking, I really couldn't fault it and as I want it to also travel longer distances, it just seems a logical bike for me. A serious contender.
I would go for the standard one!
To me, the standard t7 would be fine. I would only use a little for some gravel roads. So some protection and maybe a steering dampner and it be golden for me
In terms of spec, the suspension is the only additional thing that appeals to me. Sure the additional fuel range is nice but you can always strap a fuel bladder or small can to the bike if you need that additional range. I was really hoping they would've filled WR T7 full to give you a better idea how it carries itself fully weighed down. Still, at the end of the day, I think I'd still take a standard T7 and take it to a suspension shop if i really need it.
Hoping for a World Raid 70th anniversary edition in the US for 2026... Will be riding my 2018 ATAS until then
Two issues with standard T7 include limited tank range and soft suspension for my 95kg weight, modified both (Acerbis 23L tank and Rally Raid stronger rear spring) and bike has been a dream to ride, prefer the slimness of the T7 compared to the WR. The WR would need to be more powerful eg 900CC for me to justify the change!
Combination of XT and WR!
I like the standard myself. If you are doing long range, then the WR is the way to go. That being said, the sleekness of the standard and once you put you own flare on it, hard to beat...imho.
When will USA get this WR version- I want to order 2.
The World Raid is heavier, higher... for an average rider like me, no doubt, the standard will be far more accessible and much more fun !
No real benefits to counter the 35 lbs extra heft…
Tubeless spoked wheels?
Substantial Electronics upgrade?
Muffler location correction?
I just think 🤔 it’s not worth it for me.
No real benefits ? It's a tourer bike which is better at touring...
It's not meant to be a squid bike, you're clearly not the target for the model.
@@thierryfaquet7405 I guess you are right!
If I can’t plug a flat tire like I can on some other bikes in the category and have to replace a tube how is it easier for a squid on tour?
🍻🍻
It looks to me like a rally raid version of the original with longer suspensions, flatter seat, longer range, wider footpegs, tripmaster right on the dashboard... Not to mention it was developed with the aid of Pol Tarres, Alessandro Botturi and Manuel Lucchese, who are rally/enduro riders. Street/touring riders should really buy a Tracer 9 but this looks way cooler :)
Any idea when these things will be commercially available?
Super bummed the World Raid won't be coming to the US. Guess I will have to go with the Africa Twin Adventure Sport instead.
Hey mate. how does World Raid compare to Rally Version?
When will the world raid be available in the USA??
Probably just need to buy the Aprilia 660 Tuareg -- the lack of Yamaha availability is still stuck in my craw. Can't find one even to look at and certainly not to possibly ride. Plus, the T7 vs the 660 Tuareg .. LED lighting, better suspension, better seat, tubeless tires, better windscreen, TFT color screen, Modes and engine braking and ABS changes, sounds to me like the Tuareg is a Bargain for $1500-$2000 difference + you can find them in dealerships.!!
both cool bikes 🏍
What’s the difference between the WR and Rally?
…so THATs where all the Scorpion STRs have gone! Every time I come to buy new tyres the STRs are “back order from the suppliers”. If I was in the position to have more than one bike the T7 would be top of the list for the weekend fun/green Lane machine. The Yam I had back in the day was nicely bolted together & reliable.
STRs are garbage in any kind of loose, wet stuff. Find a set of Motoz or something else which is great off road.
I second that, crashed my bike recently as the STR's were useless on front wheel.
I've gone Motoz on rear and TKC80 up front.
Great bike
Not a lot not to like. I'm so I'd have to check out both versions. I'd probably get by with the standard version.
Now do a T7 WR vs Norden 901
Expect for a better suspension and the filter I don't see a reason to upgrade.
All that, and they didn't fix the exhaust mount issue?
how much does the 890 adv cost in the UK?
Just put a deposit on a standard t7 but in the new tech camo colour . My gs is to heavy off road , you try and justify it and say no it’s fine but on some climbs I have had to turn around as the gs just wouldn’t make it. I’ve also skimmed the heads a few times in ruts it’s just another thing to think about and get stressed about . The t7 is just lighter and easier and more fun
World Raid still has the "low Exhaust Pipe" -- thought they might fix that...hmmm....................
Awesome bikes
Regarding the difference in fuel capacity. Who doesn't fill their tank up all the way when you're at the gas station?
The ones who drive cars haha
In Australia, where can someone buy one?
Good improvements, otherwise, apart from one glaring error. It still runs on tubed tyres. Plus, the screen is still non-adjustable. The tank looks great. Reminds me of my old 950 Adventure. When filling up, do you have to use both fillers? I seem to remember I had to on my 950. I'm sure Yamaha did present you all with low-filled bikes on purpose. Fuel is very heavy, and it isn't carried so low. Not as good as the Adventure 790/890 in terms of c of g. I'd buy the basic Yam. On the other hand, if the suspension is noticeably better on road...
Stock dirt tires from any motorcycle company are mostly shit.
He answered the tank question.
@@G58 he said while using the fuel you don’t have to switch between tanks but I don’t believe he said anything about filling. I could be wrong. Seems a bit inconvenient and silly to have two fill ports especially if there is a flow through from one tank to the other.
You have to fill both, because it taks a lot of time with using only one.
@@michiganmoto7687 Yeah, you need/want to fill them individually. While it adds additional potential failure points ('ve had a port seal fail), the lower positioning and redundancy are nice features for some...and it is kinda cool in a "Why do I have two tanks?...well if I crashed in the Dakar and punctured a tank I could keep racing. Buy you a drink?" kinda way. Not a big deal to fill... I do it almost every day on my 990.
Both because are extremely awesome. But if I have to buy only one, the World Raid! 😅
Does anyone know if the World Raid is coming to the US for 23??!!
Well here in the US we don't have a choice we only have the standard t7 available
So now it weighs more than the 890 Adv R, almost costs as much, and is still down 30 something hp. It is a good looking bike though.
Couldn't live with the gimmick of the twin fillers, if it's got a balance pipe then one would do and if speed of filling is an issue then just make the balance pipe larger.
Será que a T7 vem ao Brasil mesmo?
THX MOTOBOOB 😂
Of course WR. And I have it :)
Of all upgrades why not Tubeless Wheels/Tires ? A shame but then again that would add $2000 USD aprox. to the price and by then the Tuareg 660 would beat it to a pulp...
Totally agree with you bud👍tubeless is the way to go😉
Why is this not available in India ⁉️ It will sell like hot chocolate 🍫
Regards
Joy
Better suspension and a dct gearbox and it's a unicorn.
Hi I'm from India and an ardent follower of all your content. Do you think you could do a series on the offerings from Jawa and Yezdi motorcycles. They have an equally big cult status as the Royal Enfields. Many thanks Bob. Keep up the good work. God bless.
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2500 EUR more for a better suspension? That's not a good deal. The most expensive Touratech suspension comes at 1300EUR, and most people will be quite likely fine with a much cheaper solution or even with a 200-ish EUR spring replacement.
23-liter tank, man there are very few places in the world where you will need that. Like Mongolia or maybe some super remote places in Australia. Even then, a jerry can will do. Wherever there are people, petrol will be there too. IMO, it's better to use that money to do the upgrades that are really necessary, like bike protection, and maybe higher exhaust. Use what's left for ADV rides.
Not likely to reach the USA market if at all it will be low availability
Have you ridden the bike…?
Does it ower heating like ktm on slow tec. rides?
Had a ktm 890r and the WR T7 we have just had a heat wave in the uk40+ degrees and no over heat issues ran har for over and hour. the KTM was hot in 15 degrees, so i would say the yam is better in heat
Thank you for the review! If I'm 167 cm (5'5) and I have 55kg (121 pounds), is a bad idea to get the WORLD RAID? Or even the standard one? If neither are good, what Yamaha bike should I get instead?
I would suggest you to get the standard tenere 700 and put the lowering kit on it!
Imagine that i'm 185cm tall and sitting on the WR i'm on the toes on both of my feet.
TEST RIDE MANY bikes, ALL brands.
Do Your homework yourself.
This IS the ONLY way. We are ALL DIFFERENT, with Different needs and wants. Buy the bike for YOU.
Simple!!!
Why does the EU get all the cool world raid/dakar versions and the US is left out?
I think Yamaha have made a big Boo boo with this bike, by not putting tubeless spokes on it🤔it's just my opinion. It's probably the only reason I wouldn't buy it, love the bike apart from that though👌
Can't beat a world raid for 1 up adventures
WR LOOKS far better and closer to the original concept T7 that looked awesome, then it was a huge disappointment when the production model came out
T7 or t7 wr? Africa twin 1100!
The aprilia!
Same here .
We both know they did it on purpose (in regards to the lack of fuel in the world raid)
+16 kg? Can we trade the 23L tank for the 16L tank and recover that extra weight?
I think I'd rather have the original personally