Lincoln 2012 - A Historical Review
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- This video is a historical review that covers different themes and historical connections from the 2012 Lincoln film, which is based heavily on Doris Goodwin Kearns - Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln.
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Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln - Doris Kearns Goodwin
James McPherson - Battle Cry of Freedom Volumes 1 and 2
Edward Ayers - The Thin Light of Freedom
David Blight's "Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory
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They missed the bit out when he fought vampires 😁
The accounts are all second hand so we have to be careful.
@@HistoryClarified oh yeah good point 😂
😂😂😂
Thanks HC. Good critique on a good film. The film's linkage of the Southern peace offer to the passage of the amendment and the urgency in getting it passed before war's end make sense, but unfortunately we can't believe this, as you pointed out. Plausible and possible, but not certain. As you pointed out, the film scores high marks in presenting the 'vibe'. The resemblance of Lincoln and Seward to the actors who portrayed them is uncanny. The actors look like the real deal. I think my favorite part of the film was the sympathetic portrayal of Mary Todd Lincoln as a savvy political operator in her own right, and at the same time, someone keenly aware of their own limitations in extremely difficult times. Historically accurate? I don't know, but I like to think it was. If I were teaching Civil War history, I wouldn't hesitate to use the film for the vibe, with the caveat that we'll never really know for certain the how and why things happened. Too many moving parts, and most of them hidden.
Nice to have u back
Thank you! I'm glad to be back.
Fantastic coverage of Lincoln and the film itself!
Yes finally! I have been waiting for this:)
I know it’s been too long. I hope you enjoyed the video.
@History Clarified absolutely it was great! No comes the sad part and not having something to watch and wait hoping something will come some day:)
Being from the UK we hold Winston Churchill in the same high regard as you do as Lincoln
I adore Winston Churchill,especially since he is in the Spencer/Churchill family 🏴 cheers
Comparing a bloody imperialist who starved India, almost caused WWIII because of his classism and did all he could to save a rotting, corrupt institution to a man who put himself on the line to fight slavery, is the most egregious thing I've seen in a long time.
Nice work!
Thank you.
Mary's mental illness and forlornness over the death of her children is well documented. She went on to sell her dresses and personal memoirs and communications between the president as she fell into destitution. The loss of their children and the affect it had on them and their marriage cannot be understated.
I don't disagree that by a modern understanding, it definitely looks that way. I just always want to caution modern readers trying to apply labels like bipolar or depression over what was then usually documented as melancholic and episodic.
@@HistoryClarified I’ve read some writings later in life from Robert Todd Lincoln. I do think there is at least some historical basis for Robert to feel much more distant from his father than William and Tad were. Obviously some is primary source after the fact with inferencing to fill in the gaps like the assumption that because Lincoln would of been very busy(as an Illinois representative) during Robert’s formative years, that he would of again felt more distant from the rest of the family. Again whereas Lincoln took a much more active role in the childhoods of William and Tad. Robert also wrote William was the obvious favorite and they played on that as well in the film by how big of a gaping hole William’s death in 1862 left in the family and how it was the massive elephant in the room and caused Mary grief and Lincoln pushed to the back of his mind. Aside from the already historical record of how recorded the grief was within in the family already. I can admit you are right that him slapping Robert and Robert’s possible reasons for wanting to join up are artistic license though but if squint maybe in some parts of his memoirs you can see it. Robert did pen an autobiography(which is what I base some parts of the historical assumption that the film took from) by I get that would of been in the early 1900s/1910s(can’t find an exact date) as an older man and would obviously contain a lot of later life musings or regrets. Called “The Lincoln Children”.
Also a tad very pedantic nitpick but Lincoln let his younger boys get away with murder and spoiled them greatly so I don’t see Lincoln having an issue with Tad messing around with the very expensive degeuro-type photos as if it were a toy. He let the boys regularly scribble on important documents and mess up his office while riding pet goats around the white house(as seen in film, greatly annoyed aide John Hay and Nicolay) as both a lawyer and president so it’s within Lincoln’s character to not care what they really did. I don’t think it’s a reach to say this on both Hay’s and Nicolay’s accounts of the antics the boys got up to and Lincoln’s devil may care attitude towards it. I get this delves into the personal day in the life side of Lincoln than the big professional historical moments.
@@lufsolitaire5351 thank you for the reply. If it were anything other than what Tad was touching, I would agree that the kindest sources could charitably call his parenting style for the younger boys… permissive. Also, I agree that Robert's recollections both about Lincoln’s distance and his experiences with his mother’s later mental health are indeed valid, but I did want to be sure that viewers know that much of the film is recounting recollections and second hand accounts or is filling in blanks with artistic license. I still give it an A for themes even if the actual details are a C or D.
@@HistoryClarified I can meet you in the middle on this point. Ultimately I 100% agree that we should not be applying modern social mores and ethics into the mid-19th century and especially your point about trying to armchair psychologist diagnose Mary and her obvious grief she can be inferred to have had even if it seems cut and dry in hindsight. Especially since we can’t really say to what degree(obviously a lot heresay from Elizabeth Keckley that Robert disputed and her opponents who would obviously go for a low blow against her character) and even though I heavily used Robert’s sources, I can admit he’s biased and may of played up her hysteria in order to have her institutionalized later in life. As well as post-hoc reasons his older self looking back may of used to justify his actions to posterity.
Are you back?
I would like to think so. The next videos may not be the film reviews for a bit, though.
Awesome vid. Can we do a little collaboration?
What did you have in mind?
They live stonp stomp
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Maybe, some Africans wanted to go back.
How many were recently arrived?
Importation of slaves had been illegal for almost sixty years
Wouldn't you want to go back to the homeland you were torn away from? If I was enslaved by Arabs and a European I'd gladly go back to Europe
Ah yes, Americas first tyrant
I know you're being ironic, but some people have weird revisionist conspiracy theories about Lincoln. I think it's just homophobia rearing its ugly head.